@@hamzah1039 I believe this video just proved his point. Our own PM are calling his own citizen as free rider and I saw a Man trying to defend his people.
It is rather ungracious of the PM to call some voters free riders. Firstly, does he have any evidence that some voters voted because they wanted the PAP to run the government and at the same time have opposition in Parliament? That story of the middle-aged woman does not prove anything. Secondly, even if so, it is still the basic democratic right of every citizen to vote who they would like to represent them in Parliament, regardless of their motives/intentions. And no one should call them out for being a free rider because this is the way it is in a free and democratic country.
Like I mentioned in other comments. Same thing... Don't need to say so much. The moment he say free riders is an complete insult to the people in any democratic country (which claimed to be)... We, the people or whoever has the rights to vote for who they wanted to be elected MPs. People can make their own decisions who is even him to call them in this way, clearly show his arrogance levels off the roof already.
I am starting to enjoy watching parliamentary debate. I applaud both sides of politicians engaging in constructive debates for the betterment of Singaporeans. We are definitely in the right direction to move toward a first world parliament.
Well said by both PM Lee and Mr Singh. Ultimately both are working for the progress and prosperity of Singapore 🇸🇬. A question we all must ask, do we want just one service provider or a competition ?.
I second that!! I only wish i can move in to Hougang!! However, he have to be extra careful now since the "opposition" (pun intended) has given him an appointment. Just be cautious@ Pritam Singh, you might be scrutinised. Just kidding!!
i am not desperate for power.. but PAP want all power, free riders pay taxes, therefore they are your pay master... please take note... pay master got the right to decide what they want..
If everyone thinks like this, opposition will not ONLY join but WIN, do you really want to see a new change of govt? Of course having oppo is good, but with a limit, may be 1/3. Opposion job is to help singaporeans to check on the govt not to scold the govt....
I find it disingenuous that the Prime Minister criticised the mentally of 'don't need to vote PAP because they will form government anyway' as "not the right thing to do morally" and causes "the system to fail", but then minutes later he reiterated the suggestion that voters 'don't need to vote for opposition because there will be NCMPs', which is pretty much the same argument. In fact, opposition supporters only start making that argument as a counterpoint to the PAP's argument. Then the PAP want to criticise the "morality" of the argument that they started. If opposition voters are "free riding" off of the PAP voters, then isn't PAP voters "free riding" off of the opposition voters? NCMP seats are not guaranteed; voters still had to deliver the highest losing vote to the NCMPs.
SirSX3 well said. Funny how PAP MPs spend so much time in parliament trying to talk down the opposition. Shouldn’t they be spending such time to make Singapore better? By discussing pertinent issues to bring Singapore forward?
PM Lee: It is morally wrong to suggest that voters who wants the PAP to continue as the government can safely vote for the opposition since PAP won't lose. _Minutes later…_ PM Lee: Voters who want there to be opposition in the parliament can safely vote for the government since there's NCMPs.
Clearly it is bloody nonsense to everyone listened to it carefully on his statement. And for the NCMP part is totally bullshit... Why don't the PAP take up NCMP then (like the lost Sengkang MPs)? Unbelievable setup 12 seats for Oppositions only. I was expecting 12 NCMP seats without any elected of current 10 seats by WP which make more sense if they are talking about people want more Oppositions to speak for them in Parliament.
As the leader of a government your duty lies in making objective decisions that are in the best-interest of the country. However, PM Lee is so bothered by the fact that Singaporeans voted for opposition that he labels anyone who didn’t vote for PAP as a ‘free-rider’ basically calling them undeserving of whatever the government does for them instead of reflecting on why Singaporeans have a desire for an opposition in the first place. It’s not that you aren’t working for the people but clearly there’s a flaw in who benefits and how much different people benefit.
Don't need to say so much. The moment he say free riders is an complete insult to the people in any democratic country (which claimed to be)... We, the people or whoever has the rights to vote for who they wanted to be elected MPs. People can make their own decisions who is even him to call them in this way, clearly show his arrogance levels off the roof already.
@@tanjohnny6511 Wrong Bro. He is not Ostrich mentality. Seemed to me he know everything very well & never hide, but instead he just heckcare whoever don't support him & called them whatever they want (e.g. Free Rider) while he is living high up in the air. And probably his way of 'threatening' voters who do not voted for them too (as over past GE). But the most importantly, his lines show his 'bo chap' attitude in Democratic Society & assume everyone MUST voted for him no matter how bad is it, without caring the people's needs & heckcare about human rights in voting whoever they want. Because if you don't, you are a 'free rider' under what he claimed 'we are doing well'.
@@kocn4 actually,those who voted for opposition do not want p.a.p to govern them anymore but he chose to selective says that we still want them to be govt.thats my view.🙂🙂🙂
Only one aunty said something and he assumed whole SG think like this? He cannot prove absolutely. He also does not know what every voters really think when they vote. It's all assumptions. Very bad way of thinking
Pritam speaks well to send out the message that all voters need to focus on when they vote, as well as an exhortation to the current pap cohort in parliament - vote candidates on the basis of their genuine intent (& tangible results) to represent/ serve the people's interests and wellbeing. Not just for party or personal interests. Many of the pap reps have not gotten this at all, but have usurped the system to serve party/ self interests while a large segment of our society stagnate and/or degrades, disadvantaged and living w/hardship. The result of LHL's premiership leaves him morally discredited. Boasting about the physical devts under pap is, therefore, unsurprisingly emphasizing form over shbstance.
yeah true there are much more free riders in PAP than opposition. Many voted PAP for party or personal benefits rather than better policies in opposition.
@@markfish1113 unfortunately this is the case if we are honest. It is the lowest common denominator, setting sight on material benefits rather than intrinsic values that builds a robust and sensible humanity and existence.
@@terryweechowtan2118 PSp new party la but they mostly allied ex pap member if you ask me Dr tan party knows all loop holes of pap hahaha but right now Strong is wp
The call to vote for opposition w/o worrying that pap would not be the govt is not wrong. It is a realistic perspectice that pap has made it impossible for opposition breakthrough in parliament. GRCs, redrawing of boundaries, higher deposits to contest, threats by pap of no upgrading if residents vote opposition, etc, are reasons for opposition(s) to inform voters that as it is the system has been manipulated at will by the dominant party in power to ensure them absolute power, if not absolute numbers, in parliament. Voters need to understand this reality.
This is really like a David vs Goliath moment, with David deliberately not holding a sling and stones and trying, as best he can to reason with Goliath A "newbie" holding his ground pretty respectfully, decently against a seasoned politician with the whole instrument of state behind him - am not sure how much he listened, understood and comprehended vs trying to get the same PAP mantra across to David If this was a school debating , my vote would be for ........................ the underdog
Pritam Singh is honestly one of the brst ministers right now. Everything he have said made sense. He is really trying his best to help the people , the country.
The lady highlighted in awe was indeed worried and understood the serious consequences, which was the dire interest in question pointed out by PM. This sentiment has been happening and more after Mr Low TK era.
The free ridership argument can be applied to PAP as well. For many years before WP’s Aljunied win, voters believe in an elected opposition but wants to ensure PAP never loses. Hence, they voted for PAP, expecting to free ride on an imaginary number of voters who will vote opposition. The end result was PAP electoral dominance (which leads to complacency) while even quality opposition MPs win nothing and only get NCMP seats
The 'Free-riders' goes to both side be it Current Major Party Power or Opposition party However I hear alot more 'Free-riders' from PAP side then Opposition side saying 'Vote PAP since 'scared' something will happen' or 'Opposition cannot be trusted so default to PAP' It maybe due to party size but that still comes as a fact.
I don’t understand y vote for WP is called free rider?? Wat is free rider mean?? Free rider is without doing anything that person or group get that post.. now who is the the biggest free rider??
Don't need to say so much. The moment he say free riders is an complete insult to the people in any democratic country (which claimed to be)... We, the people or whoever has the rights to vote for who they wanted to be elected MPs. People can make their own decisions who is even him to call them in this way, clearly show his arrogance levels off the roof already.
@@biggyshan006 brother many governments have come and go in so many countries and people are still surviving. Even back thn empires have come and gone and still people survive. If pap lose it does nt mean end of the world.
It depends how entrenched and dominant the PAP are in power as well as the quality of the Workers Party team. I don't understand why Lee spends so much parliamentary time claiming and blaming tactical voting at the polls. Equally observable, realistically tactical voting can occur if people wanted to have an impactful opposition and all decided to back WP instead of other political parties. These are realities. What Lee was really doing was finding a scapegoat rather than address the disapproval of the constituencies that voted otherwise. And it's true that Al Junid and Hougang are legacy strongholds Not free riders.
Yes Christopher, I agree with you, you should have voices in parliament, but the opposition should show that they are worthy. But Jamus and the rest has no concrete proposals, facts or figures, made themselves look like clowns during the recent presentations in parliament and he gives me a feeling that he isn't here for the people, he is in parliament for fame. Where are the proposals? where are the figures? Where are the solutions? NONE! he has nothing for us. He just said in parliament, '' Frankly speaking, I have not thought about it, as you all know we are busy with our new office in sengkang, this brain is slow, working at 8.0, our goverment has infinite horizons, therefore it's time to borrow!? His answers and suggestions were so childish. Show me a concrete proposal which is workable form your favourite party, if they are so fantastic, why isn't there a proper plan from him. Is he too busy making videos of himself introducing Sengkang? The very town, he did not built?
I wonder if you are elected into a board. Right in the first or few board meetings, you made ardent proposals? Or is it easier to point weaknesses which can be spotted and work together to rectify these first?
u can defend all PAP grievances but unfortunately now left wing policy is more relevant for Singaporeans with covid still raging. Right before covid in 2019 the growth curve dropped significantly to 1%, productivity is still low and sg is only low cost centre using cheap labour yet cant be better than china or vietnam in it. Investors are looking for options than Singapore. They like to blame 2011 opposition emergence but in reality is investors are moving out due to other countries lower rental. To jennifer: No scandi citizens will criticise their own country after working overseas unless u are different skin tone being rejected goods there. Scandi countries have the best healthcare and govt.
His father, LKY will never use such words against the people. It is like President Trump calling "Americans who died in war are "Losers" and "Suckers". PM Lee have some respect for Singaporeans.
lim bt isn’t asking ppl to repent implying they are sinners. For me today the political scene is better than his fathers time. The governance part however is a far call from his fathers time
I think since opp can have so many high learned people joining them, PAP shd be able to get more high learnt people as well. I missed the old times when pap logo is placed at the kindergarden schools and times when they started the activities every now and then like carnivals, pasa malam ...nowadays, seldom we able to see pap logo and know wat good they doing for the people (which is diff from Lee Kuan Yu times)....this i think is making pap 's popularity dropping these years..
I'm not sure what is so hard to comprehend. Use whatever semantics you like, whether I'm voting sincerely or tactfully, I understand the importance of a large enough opposition that denies the ruling party a super majority, and until the Worker's Party garner enough resources and competence to contest in the general elections with the intentions to win, I will always vote for the opposition. There is NOTHING to lose, and whatever the PM is saying is just fear mongering.
And I think it's funny that the PM asks us to vote for the person we trust in, when we're voting for one heavyweight minister and 4 newbies in the GRC system. Does he genuinely think those 4 newbies have gained our trust in any tangible way?
Are Singaporean happy and prospers at this moment ? Is there progress for the nation? There is for PaP . There is not much happiness and prosperity for most government in the world. Why is PaP always an exception to the rule? They r better at saving and profiting from business. There so good at what they do they have out perform all government in the world.
Singapore system itself wrongfully catered by PAP to the citizen of Singapore many privileges and opportunities not given to the needy people in Singapore to make those people lifestyle improve according to their hard work. In terms of education, financial assistance, job opportunities, civil work and all being hindered by PAP stringent policy where potential people not able to get through. That's the major problem going on in Singapore by PAP self interest policies, where it drives own citizens into slavery from being innovative and self driven.
Why this WP, always have proplem, from PAP always not agree ,with WP , poor thing, very hard for you, to be WP the winner,It alright God still bless you, you will win, in what ever hapoen to you, my God will help you,Aamiin thank yoy
PM Lee won the logical debate especially if you go into the details of what a free rider is Pritam Singh however won the emotional appeal Classic confrontation of left vs right.
Salute Pritam Singh, Spoke with heart & honesty, precise & constructive, truly a leader of the opposition👍 Pritam careful speech as not to create all unnecessary, well talented with earnesty, an element he carry well for balancing as an opposition leader shine in Parliament Thumb up for PM LSL open & dynamic speech on singapore rooting, accepting more diverse voices fr OP as all is for good of all Singaporeans from strength to strength.
ps and his team cannot even manage aljunied grc serangoon well as resident of aljunied grc and i habe substantiated in fb screenshots of the esssential maintenance lapsed for many years. Ps and his team have failed to deliver a reasonable and proper service so i have lost "trust and confidence" in wp . All are proven as they really do nothing for residents and are irresponsible . Talk only with sweet mere words only without
if the WP are such fantastic bunch, why not produce concrete proposals during the pandemic, post pandemic and plans for the best 20 years for us? Have they done that? No.
Totally agree with PM Lee! In general, free riding means taking advantage (Opposition Party) of the efforts others have made to establish some collective good (PAP) without actually contributing oneself. (Opposition Party). What has the Opposition done? Embezzled funds, misled people, lies and more lies!!! talk and no actions!t
Dear Bernard Ong, Jamus did not pinpoint at anybody's faults. He preached about compassion without a proposal. He preached compassion without figures. He preached compassion without doing his research. Can a CEO step into a new company without researching his figures and do his homework before entering? No, the CEO has to do his homework and study a lot about the company, come up with plans for the next 2 years for the company right on the first week, show some facts and figures. Has Jamus done that? Just yank. No wonder european firms does not like to hire PHD holders to become CEOs, cause they are idealistic and not realistic people. all talk and no action.
Dear Bernard Ong, needing time to draw out your proposals is one thing, behaving stupidly is another. Jamus has shown that he is not an intelligent or realistic thinker, thus whatever proposals he proposes reflects upon his character. CRAP.
Used to think anti PAP until I read LHL's parliamentary speech of 1985. He talked about the demographics at that time and how that is going to change over time from being a demographic dividend to a reversal and become unfavorable and what the government must do. That's when my opinion of PM Lee changed completely. PM Lee is far sighted and some with a plan. This motley crew of opposition members pale in comparison. No homework. Don't know their stuff. Borrow ideas from the west which is crumbling. No plan no vision.
You want respect and trust as a politician? show us that you can do your research, create financially sensible policies and do not speak like a clown . SO this is who the WP are?!! you guys have Shown your true colours! just talk talk talk and no action. Where are your facts and figures? did you do your homework? You guys came to parliment without doing your homework, just preach compassion like a nun, you think our parliament is a temple? you are a joke, jamus. And this pritnam singh got so much salary some more? What a benovalent goverment we have. Don't spend our tax payers money on WP jokers like you. Jamus, you just preach compassion and and you can get salary?, ai ya! I save stray cats all the time from the streets, but I don't preach compassion. You need money to perform compassion. Wake up. singapore isn't a temple for you to play monk.
You can work together, but make sure you have done your homework. WE have a lot of newly elected MPs from the PAP side, do you see them behaving like Jamus Lim? all talk and no results, all talk and no action? All talk and no proposals? all talk and no facts? all talk and no figures? He spoke like a little boy who thinks that our country is his casino. Saying that our goverment has INFINITE HORIZON, and we should start borrowing more and invest becaue tomorrow is always gonna be better.'' It is easy to pin point at our PAP ministers by the WP, but can they show better results? NO. They point at other people's results, but they racked the least scores. You want others to respect you as a minister, show a better example. Don't use our country as a playground.
Singaporeans should learn to appreciate our goverment better and not pay too much attention to WP members who promises, show compassion and does not consider hollistically about the grave consequences of their demands without real international experience. Scandinavian countries are suffering under similar demands and they do not have a goverment who stays, if we have too many singaporean voting for such oppositions, we are gonna end up like Europe, 7.8% unemployment, declining education, departing ministers every 4 years, poor governance and yes 50% income taxes monthly. don't think that our goverment is doing a bad job and it is necessary to be strong in your words sometimes to send your message across.Dear Singaporeans pls take a look at the west and see how poorly they are performing with multiple voices in parliament, it's like having too many cooks in a kitchen cooking a pot of soup, too much imput, salt and sugar, the soup turns out horrible. Show me a corporation with multiple CEOs? precisely, only one corporation should have a CEO and a CFO. And that CEO is expected to NOT depart every 4 years.
Are you telling us that the Opposition are not worried about that too. All are Singaporeans first before being any parties. Singaporeans are not dumb. They know fully well which parties they should vote for and putting powers into one end, is a narrow road that has been happening for years. It would be good to have opposition in a democratic country. It is the right type of opposition who do not oppose for the sake of opposing but have views that will help in Singapore's growth further
Get this straight, the world is in a pandemic crisis now. We have no time to listen to minimum wages or compassionate talks. We want solutions, we want ideas, we want facts, we want figures, we want ministers with real corporate experiences, in manufacturing, retail, banking etc. Ministers with corporare experience and who have made money for their companies before. Not ministers like Jamus who yanked about compassionateness without substance, without proposals, without unemployment solutions, without facts or figures, without life experiences in the corporate world. Economist like him don't get paid much in Europe. Because the nature of his job rakes little return for one's society. He is not in manufacturing, he is not a great thinker, he has not understood the need to make revenues and fund your policies. He talks of our goverment having INFINITE HORIZONS and advise us to borrow more, leverage our own homes and invest. If he ever becomes our finance minister in our country, we will go bankrupt. He is not a responsible person. I don't understand why our benovolent PAP pay him and Pritnam Singh so much money? No wonder LEE KWAN YEW wanted all our PAP ministers to go through stringent tests and have at least 8 years of corporate experience before joining. WP just let tom dick and harry enter their team. Aye, don't waste our TAX PAYERS money lei, WP drop your wages! your salary's too high. I can preach conpassionateness and nobody's paying me this much. Now the WP is being paid too much!
Full respect for Pritam Singh. For country and people. He's the man, honest people... Thank you for speaking for the citizen . Salute Mr Singh.
Salute to be given if this is proven.
Hamz Ah says the hater of opposition
@@hamzah1039 I believe this video just proved his point. Our own PM are calling his own citizen as free rider and I saw a Man trying to defend his people.
Lmao. his goal is to bury pritam in the open to disgrace the oppo. Clearly hes not prepared for this level of oppo
Now we know who Pritam is.
Bring it to the grave?
It is rather ungracious of the PM to call some voters free riders. Firstly, does he have any evidence that some voters voted because they wanted the PAP to run the government and at the same time have opposition in Parliament? That story of the middle-aged woman does not prove anything. Secondly, even if so, it is still the basic democratic right of every citizen to vote who they would like to represent them in Parliament, regardless of their motives/intentions. And no one should call them out for being a free rider because this is the way it is in a free and democratic country.
Like I mentioned in other comments. Same thing... Don't need to say so much. The moment he say free riders is an complete insult to the people in any democratic country (which claimed to be)... We, the people or whoever has the rights to vote for who they wanted to be elected MPs. People can make their own decisions who is even him to call them in this way, clearly show his arrogance levels off the roof already.
I am starting to enjoy watching parliamentary debate. I applaud both sides of politicians engaging in constructive debates for the betterment of Singaporeans. We are definitely in the right direction to move toward a first world parliament.
Aya, just fix the opposition. They will work harder.
You ARE a first world Parliament. Look at the state of the mother of parliaments 😂 (UK)
Well said by both PM Lee and Mr Singh. Ultimately both are working for the progress and prosperity of Singapore 🇸🇬.
A question we all must ask, do we want just one service provider or a competition ?.
Pritam Singh the best credible opposition
I second that!! I only wish i can move in to Hougang!! However, he have to be extra careful now since the "opposition" (pun intended) has given him an appointment. Just be cautious@ Pritam Singh, you might be scrutinised. Just kidding!!
Wow, just because I want MP offices for ALL MPs I need to change the govt.... damn, that's extreme.
i am not desperate for power.. but PAP want all power, free riders pay taxes, therefore they are your pay master... please take note... pay master got the right to decide what they want..
yes keep underestimating the peoples' intelligence
We want opposition in the government! simple. It's time to change !
If everyone thinks like this, opposition will not ONLY join but WIN, do you really want to see a new change of govt?
Of course having oppo is good, but with a limit, may be 1/3. Opposion job is to help singaporeans to check on the govt not to scold the govt....
I find it disingenuous that the Prime Minister criticised the mentally of 'don't need to vote PAP because they will form government anyway' as "not the right thing to do morally" and causes "the system to fail", but then minutes later he reiterated the suggestion that voters 'don't need to vote for opposition because there will be NCMPs', which is pretty much the same argument. In fact, opposition supporters only start making that argument as a counterpoint to the PAP's argument. Then the PAP want to criticise the "morality" of the argument that they started.
If opposition voters are "free riding" off of the PAP voters, then isn't PAP voters "free riding" off of the opposition voters? NCMP seats are not guaranteed; voters still had to deliver the highest losing vote to the NCMPs.
SirSX3 well said. Funny how PAP MPs spend so much time in parliament trying to talk down the opposition. Shouldn’t they be spending such time to make Singapore better? By discussing pertinent issues to bring Singapore forward?
PM Lee: It is morally wrong to suggest that voters who wants the PAP to continue as the government can safely vote for the opposition since PAP won't lose.
_Minutes later…_
PM Lee: Voters who want there to be opposition in the parliament can safely vote for the government since there's NCMPs.
Does the PM know the meaning of the word 'moral'? Following the logic of his argument he obviously does not.
Clearly it is bloody nonsense to everyone listened to it carefully on his statement.
And for the NCMP part is totally bullshit... Why don't the PAP take up NCMP then (like the lost Sengkang MPs)? Unbelievable setup 12 seats for Oppositions only. I was expecting 12 NCMP seats without any elected of current 10 seats by WP which make more sense if they are talking about people want more Oppositions to speak for them in Parliament.
Unless more GRC was taken down.
Pritam Singh well said. And PM Lee after Pritam Singh explain. He respectfully acknowledged it ... Good for Singapore if MP respect one another.
As the leader of a government your duty lies in making objective decisions that are in the best-interest of the country. However, PM Lee is so bothered by the fact that Singaporeans voted for opposition that he labels anyone who didn’t vote for PAP as a ‘free-rider’ basically calling them undeserving of whatever the government does for them instead of reflecting on why Singaporeans have a desire for an opposition in the first place. It’s not that you aren’t working for the people but clearly there’s a flaw in who benefits and how much different people benefit.
Don't need to say so much. The moment he say free riders is an complete insult to the people in any democratic country (which claimed to be)... We, the people or whoever has the rights to vote for who they wanted to be elected MPs. People can make their own decisions who is even him to call them in this way, clearly show his arrogance levels off the roof already.
Totally agree with you
Ostrich mentallity of the real issues.
@@tanjohnny6511 Wrong Bro. He is not Ostrich mentality. Seemed to me he know everything very well & never hide, but instead he just heckcare whoever don't support him & called them whatever they want (e.g. Free Rider) while he is living high up in the air. And probably his way of 'threatening' voters who do not voted for them too (as over past GE). But the most importantly, his lines show his 'bo chap' attitude in Democratic Society & assume everyone MUST voted for him no matter how bad is it, without caring the people's needs & heckcare about human rights in voting whoever they want. Because if you don't, you are a 'free rider' under what he claimed 'we are doing well'.
@@kocn4 actually,those who voted for opposition do not want p.a.p to govern them anymore but he chose to selective says that we still want them to be govt.thats my view.🙂🙂🙂
Be prepared to lose more voters in your favour...always concentrating on unimportant issues than to work for Singapore and the people.
Only one aunty said something and he assumed whole SG think like this? He cannot prove absolutely. He also does not know what every voters really think when they vote. It's all assumptions. Very bad way of thinking
Pritam speaks well to send out the message that all voters need to focus on when they vote, as well as an exhortation to the current pap cohort in parliament - vote candidates on the basis of their genuine intent (& tangible results) to represent/ serve the people's interests and wellbeing. Not just for party or personal interests. Many of the pap reps have not gotten this at all, but have usurped the system to serve party/ self interests while a large segment of our society stagnate and/or degrades, disadvantaged and living w/hardship. The result of LHL's premiership leaves him morally discredited. Boasting about the physical devts under pap is, therefore, unsurprisingly emphasizing form over shbstance.
yeah true there are much more free riders in PAP than opposition. Many voted PAP for party or personal benefits rather than better policies in opposition.
@@markfish1113 unfortunately this is the case if we are honest. It is the lowest common denominator, setting sight on material benefits rather than intrinsic values that builds a robust and sensible humanity and existence.
Next election they should reduce the GRC and then Oppo has,forms unity coalition with PSP n wp and sdp and run election they sure win
Yeah...but i dont really support PSP into parliament. Maybe WP and SDP?
@@terryweechowtan2118 PSp new party la but they mostly allied ex pap member if you ask me Dr tan party knows all loop holes of pap hahaha but right now Strong is wp
Support Dr Tan.
OK thank you very much
The call to vote for opposition w/o worrying that pap would not be the govt is not wrong. It is a realistic perspectice that pap has made it impossible for opposition breakthrough in parliament. GRCs, redrawing of boundaries, higher deposits to contest, threats by pap of no upgrading if residents vote opposition, etc, are reasons for opposition(s) to inform voters that as it is the system has been manipulated at will by the dominant party in power to ensure them absolute power, if not absolute numbers, in parliament. Voters need to understand this reality.
Love takes time❤❤
wah the pm alr agitated first time i seen him sweat.
This is really like a David vs Goliath moment, with David deliberately not holding a sling and stones and trying, as best he can to reason with Goliath
A "newbie" holding his ground pretty respectfully, decently against a seasoned politician with the whole instrument of state behind him - am not sure how much he listened, understood and comprehended vs trying to get the same PAP mantra across to David
If this was a school debating , my vote would be for ........................ the underdog
Pritam Singh is honestly one of the brst ministers right now. Everything he have said made sense. He is really trying his best to help the people , the country.
need all walk of life in parliament to reach to our future generations???
Clearly show how up in the air they (PAP) are... To the people.
If there is an NCMP system for opposition, why can't there be lower pay for ministers?
0 correlation
The lady highlighted in awe was indeed worried and understood the serious consequences, which was the dire interest in question pointed out by PM. This sentiment has been happening and more after Mr Low TK era.
The free ridership argument can be applied to PAP as well. For many years before WP’s Aljunied win, voters believe in an elected opposition but wants to ensure PAP never loses. Hence, they voted for PAP, expecting to free ride on an imaginary number of voters who will vote opposition. The end result was PAP electoral dominance (which leads to complacency) while even quality opposition MPs win nothing and only get NCMP seats
We need more opposition like PS and JL standard!!
it must hot in the parliment. Mr lee's shirt is drenched around the armpit area lol
Wrong... Clearly show he is too nervous or anxious. There's air-conditioned in the Parliament. If not, too Hot headed that day even overheated.
@@kocn4 Air-conditioning wasnt working in parliment that day
The 'Free-riders' goes to both side be it Current Major Party Power or Opposition party
However I hear alot more 'Free-riders' from PAP side then Opposition side saying 'Vote PAP since 'scared' something will happen' or 'Opposition cannot be trusted so default to PAP'
It maybe due to party size but that still comes as a fact.
I am the citizen of Singapore. Voting is my right. I dont trust the PAP. Am i a free rider? Hell no.
🗿 Nothing Can Stop the Man with the RIGHT Mental Attitude from Achieving his Goal; Nothing on Earth can Help the Man with the WRONG Mental Attitude ♻️
If someone says you are ‘free-riding’ or a ‘free-rider’, be nice and go get that person a kite or spider.
true Singaporeans excluding boomers know who cares for its true citizens.. 🔨
I don’t understand y vote for WP is called free rider?? Wat is free rider mean?? Free rider is without doing anything that person or group get that post.. now who is the the biggest free rider??
😂
I agree i think the newer PAP ministers are the free riders
Don't need to say so much. The moment he say free riders is an complete insult to the people in any democratic country (which claimed to be)... We, the people or whoever has the rights to vote for who they wanted to be elected MPs. People can make their own decisions who is even him to call them in this way, clearly show his arrogance levels off the roof already.
they are supposed to talk about covid related stuff, why lhl bring in about parties and the votes? haiya
a gd start for oppositi9n.The sun has began to rise and shine for the better.
Hello LHL your skin very thick. Who says we want the best of both worlds? We indeed want you and the PAP OUT!!! And never come back!!!
Who will be our gov?? Which party has experience to run the country??
Speak for yourself only please
@@biggyshan006 brother many governments have come and go in so many countries and people are still surviving. Even back thn empires have come and gone and still people survive. If pap lose it does nt mean end of the world.
@@muhammadabdulmateen8473 maybe not the end of the world but the end of SG, do u really think that WP can govern SG? Its easier said than done
@@muhammadabdulmateen8473 my qns is who will be our gov if pap is out and which party has experience that can run our country???
I also like to ask LHL why opposition MP are not given minister positions etc
And I m not free riders dear PM
If not Tharman, Pritam would be my choice to be the next PM
It depends how entrenched and dominant the PAP are in power as well as the quality of the Workers Party team.
I don't understand why Lee spends so much parliamentary time claiming and blaming tactical voting at the polls.
Equally observable, realistically tactical voting can occur if people wanted to have an impactful opposition and all decided to back WP instead of other political parties. These are realities.
What Lee was really doing was finding a scapegoat rather than address the disapproval of the constituencies that voted otherwise. And it's true that Al Junid and Hougang are legacy strongholds Not free riders.
Yes Christopher, I agree with you, you should have voices in parliament, but the opposition should show that they are worthy. But Jamus and the rest has no concrete proposals, facts or figures, made themselves look like clowns during the recent presentations in parliament and he gives me a feeling that he isn't here for the people, he is in parliament for fame. Where are the proposals? where are the figures? Where are the solutions? NONE! he has nothing for us. He just said in parliament, '' Frankly speaking, I have not thought about it, as you all know we are busy with our new office in sengkang, this brain is slow, working at 8.0, our goverment has infinite horizons, therefore it's time to borrow!? His answers and suggestions were so childish. Show me a concrete proposal which is workable form your favourite party, if they are so fantastic, why isn't there a proper plan from him. Is he too busy making videos of himself introducing Sengkang? The very town, he did not built?
I wonder if you are elected into a board. Right in the first or few board meetings, you made ardent proposals? Or is it easier to point weaknesses which can be spotted and work together to rectify these first?
u can defend all PAP grievances but unfortunately now left wing policy is more relevant for Singaporeans with covid still raging. Right before covid in 2019 the growth curve dropped significantly to 1%, productivity is still low and sg is only low cost centre using cheap labour yet cant be better than china or vietnam in it. Investors are looking for options than Singapore. They like to blame 2011 opposition emergence but in reality is investors are moving out due to other countries lower rental.
To jennifer: No scandi citizens will criticise their own country after working overseas unless u are different skin tone being rejected goods there. Scandi countries have the best healthcare and govt.
No lah.. we need to send a signal to government we are not happy
Opposition needed importance in Singapore
Honestly we need the opposition if not it’s a 1 way streets we need 2 way traffice
Is true! PAP will always be the ruling party
I think the Singaporeans trust the PAP enough to know the GRC system will never fail the PAP
His father, LKY will never use such words against the people. It is like President Trump calling "Americans who died in war are "Losers" and "Suckers". PM Lee have some respect for Singaporeans.
I tot his father ask the residents of aljunied to repent for voting in wp.
@@blissmadmenful LKY did not labelled the voters. He just asked them to repent, just like someone had made a mistake.
lim bt isn’t asking ppl to repent implying they are sinners. For me today the political scene is better than his fathers time. The governance part however is a far call from his fathers time
@@blissmadmenful Implied does not equate to what is said. Just like "I hear you but that does not mean I support you"
Brave to stand alone against a pack of jackals.
I think since opp can have so many high learned people joining them, PAP shd be able to get more high learnt people as well. I missed the old times when pap logo is placed at the kindergarden schools and times when they started the activities every now and then like carnivals, pasa malam ...nowadays, seldom we able to see pap logo and know wat good they doing for the people (which is diff from Lee Kuan Yu times)....this i think is making pap 's popularity dropping these years..
Tay pei ling is FREE rider.. I m quite sure of this
He is very balanced 👍👍
I'm not sure what is so hard to comprehend. Use whatever semantics you like, whether I'm voting sincerely or tactfully, I understand the importance of a large enough opposition that denies the ruling party a super majority, and until the Worker's Party garner enough resources and competence to contest in the general elections with the intentions to win, I will always vote for the opposition. There is NOTHING to lose, and whatever the PM is saying is just fear mongering.
And I think it's funny that the PM asks us to vote for the person we trust in, when we're voting for one heavyweight minister and 4 newbies in the GRC system. Does he genuinely think those 4 newbies have gained our trust in any tangible way?
U can fool ppl sumtym...but u cannot fool d ppl all d tym...
Are Singaporean happy and prospers at this moment ? Is there progress for the nation? There is for PaP . There is not much happiness and prosperity for most government in the world. Why is PaP always an exception to the rule? They r better at saving and profiting from business. There so good at what they do they have out perform all government in the world.
The more you say free riders, the more we won’t vote for you.
Singapore system itself wrongfully catered by PAP to the citizen of Singapore many privileges and opportunities not given to the needy people in Singapore to make those people lifestyle improve according to their hard work. In terms of education, financial assistance, job opportunities, civil work and all being hindered by PAP stringent policy where potential people not able to get through.
That's the major problem going on in Singapore by PAP self interest policies, where it drives own citizens
into slavery from being innovative and self driven.
Yes you never know what opposition sits and the top government doing the job for you opposition 😂😂😂
Why this WP, always have proplem, from PAP always not agree ,with WP , poor thing, very hard for you, to be WP the winner,It alright God still bless you, you will win, in what ever hapoen to you, my God will help you,Aamiin thank yoy
No Agree What you like to do, to WP party,now Singaporean more like WP ,because now in 2022 averything going up God bless you WP Aamiin
Then give us a reason to still trust you
I rather watch these debates over those Malaysian politicians jokers.
PM Lee won the logical debate especially if you go into the details of what a free rider is
Pritam Singh however won the emotional appeal
Classic confrontation of left vs right.
High time to change the govt...
5.40 timeline. "Free Riders"
Life matters hello 😂😂😂😂
when you cant even believe your own lie
How motorcycle motorcar, they have family😔
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Salute Pritam Singh,
Spoke with heart & honesty, precise & constructive, truly a leader of the opposition👍
Pritam careful speech as not to create all unnecessary, well talented with earnesty, an element he carry well for balancing as an opposition leader shine in Parliament
Thumb up for PM LSL open & dynamic speech on singapore rooting, accepting more diverse voices fr OP as all is for good of all Singaporeans from strength to strength.
ps and his team cannot even manage aljunied grc serangoon well as resident of aljunied grc and i habe substantiated in fb screenshots of the esssential maintenance lapsed for many years. Ps and his team have failed to deliver a reasonable and proper service so i have lost "trust and confidence" in wp . All are proven as they really do nothing for residents and are irresponsible . Talk only with sweet mere words only without
LHL step down !
😂😂😂😂
Talk some more, lose some more
Totally agree 👍
if the WP are such fantastic bunch, why not produce concrete proposals during the pandemic, post pandemic and plans for the best 20 years for us? Have they done that? No.
how the WO
WHY MUST THE WP produce conrete proposal - THEY ARE NOT HOLDING A minster post.
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Totally agree with PM Lee! In general, free riding means taking advantage (Opposition Party) of the efforts others have made to establish some collective good (PAP) without actually contributing oneself. (Opposition Party). What has the Opposition done? Embezzled funds, misled people, lies and more lies!!! talk and no actions!t
Dear Bernard Ong, Jamus did not pinpoint at anybody's faults. He preached about compassion without a proposal. He preached compassion without figures. He preached compassion without doing his research. Can a CEO step into a new company without researching his figures and do his homework before entering? No, the CEO has to do his homework and study a lot about the company, come up with plans for the next 2 years for the company right on the first week, show some facts and figures. Has Jamus done that? Just yank. No wonder european firms does not like to hire PHD holders to become CEOs, cause they are idealistic and not realistic people. all talk and no action.
I compare the WP team with your Lam Pin Min and Ng Chee Meng, and I pick the better candidate.
Dear Bernard Ong, needing time to draw out your proposals is one thing, behaving stupidly is another. Jamus has shown that he is not an intelligent or realistic thinker, thus whatever proposals he proposes reflects upon his character. CRAP.
The Free Riders were those MPs in the GRCs. WP follows PAP.
Its obvious this guy is insecure that PAP is losing its grip
I support PAP, always
Used to think anti PAP until I read LHL's parliamentary speech of 1985. He talked about the demographics at that time and how that is going to change over time from being a demographic dividend to a reversal and become unfavorable and what the government must do. That's when my opinion of PM Lee changed completely. PM Lee is far sighted and some with a plan. This motley crew of opposition members pale in comparison. No homework. Don't know their stuff. Borrow ideas from the west which is crumbling. No plan no vision.
You want respect and trust as a politician? show us that you can do your research, create financially sensible policies and do not speak like a clown . SO this is who the WP are?!! you guys have Shown your true colours! just talk talk talk and no action. Where are your facts and figures? did you do your homework? You guys came to parliment without doing your homework, just preach compassion like a nun, you think our parliament is a temple? you are a joke, jamus. And this pritnam singh got so much salary some more? What a benovalent goverment we have. Don't spend our tax payers money on WP jokers like you. Jamus, you just preach compassion and and you can get salary?, ai ya! I save stray cats all the time from the streets, but I don't preach compassion. You need money to perform compassion. Wake up. singapore isn't a temple for you to play monk.
Not all sekang resident vote for WP remember therefore you hv proved it.
You can work together, but make sure you have done your homework. WE have a lot of newly elected MPs from the PAP side, do you see them behaving like Jamus Lim? all talk and no results, all talk and no action? All talk and no proposals? all talk and no facts? all talk and no figures? He spoke like a little boy who thinks that our country is his casino. Saying that our goverment has INFINITE HORIZON, and we should start borrowing more and invest becaue tomorrow is always gonna be better.'' It is easy to pin point at our PAP ministers by the WP, but can they show better results? NO. They point at other people's results, but they racked the least scores. You want others to respect you as a minister, show a better example. Don't use our country as a playground.
Singaporeans should learn to appreciate our goverment better and not pay too much attention to WP members who promises, show compassion and does not consider hollistically about the grave consequences of their demands without real international experience. Scandinavian countries are suffering under similar demands and they do not have a goverment who stays, if we have too many singaporean voting for such oppositions, we are gonna end up like Europe, 7.8% unemployment, declining education, departing ministers every 4 years, poor governance and yes 50% income taxes monthly. don't think that our goverment is doing a bad job and it is necessary to be strong in your words sometimes to send your message across.Dear Singaporeans pls take a look at the west and see how poorly they are performing with multiple voices in parliament, it's like having too many cooks in a kitchen cooking a pot of soup, too much imput, salt and sugar, the soup turns out horrible. Show me a corporation with multiple CEOs? precisely, only one corporation should have a CEO and a CFO. And that CEO is expected to NOT depart every 4 years.
Are you telling us that the Opposition are not worried about that too. All are Singaporeans first before being any parties. Singaporeans are not dumb. They know fully well which parties they should vote for and putting powers into one end, is a narrow road that has been happening for years. It would be good to have opposition in a democratic country. It is the right type of opposition who do not oppose for the sake of opposing but have views that will help in Singapore's growth further
Please my request is...make a good decision to indian ppls...give PR please...
Goodluck waiting HAHAHA !! PROVE YOUR WORTH FIRST DUDE ! IF I AM YOU, I WILL BE SMART ENOUGH NOT TO GIVE SUCH A COMMENT IN THIS VIDEO !!!
Jamus's mindset, culture of management is wrong for our Signapore right from the start.
Get this straight, the world is in a pandemic crisis now. We have no time to listen to minimum wages or compassionate talks. We want solutions, we want ideas, we want facts, we want figures, we want ministers with real corporate experiences, in manufacturing, retail, banking etc. Ministers with corporare experience and who have made money for their companies before. Not ministers like Jamus who yanked about compassionateness without substance, without proposals, without unemployment solutions, without facts or figures, without life experiences in the corporate world. Economist like him don't get paid much in Europe. Because the nature of his job rakes little return for one's society. He is not in manufacturing, he is not a great thinker, he has not understood the need to make revenues and fund your policies. He talks of our goverment having INFINITE HORIZONS and advise us to borrow more, leverage our own homes and invest. If he ever becomes our finance minister in our country, we will go bankrupt. He is not a responsible person. I don't understand why our benovolent PAP pay him and Pritnam Singh so much money? No wonder LEE KWAN YEW wanted all our PAP ministers to go through stringent tests and have at least 8 years of corporate experience before joining. WP just let tom dick and harry enter their team. Aye, don't waste our TAX PAYERS money lei, WP drop your wages! your salary's too high. I can preach conpassionateness and nobody's paying me this much. Now the WP is being paid too much!
What it really happen again bettuen WP,and PAP again, because they already,
start when I on my U Tiub chanel thank you,