Manual: hold man pitch override, throttle idle, no rudder, speedbrakes closed, rock it out of the stall with the stick (when the nose goes up, apply full back stick, when the nose goes down, full forwards stick) until it nose downs enough to gain airspeed
Niggatory. I've never seen such procedure ever in my time on the falcon. The guy here didn't employ the MPO to OVERRIDE and just sat there. You just wiggle it back and forth until you get out of there. at 10.000ft you should at least have time until 5.000ft before contemplating an eject. The F-16 does have agressive yaw rate suppression system, therefore leading to this less than satisfactory pitch rocking to get out of the stall, necessitating this MPO. "The original F-16 design was overly aggressive in its attempts to control yaw rate in a deep stall, resulting in ineffective pitch rocking and, in one case, an extremely delayed recovery" - F-35: From Concept To Cockpit, page 542, end of first paragraph.
I've had this too and found kind of a solution to this: - Dont go all the way to the AOA limit during BFM - If you enter the Stall try the following: - Manual Pitch Override - HOLD IN OVERRIDE - Pitch - FULL PITCH DOWN - Airbrakes - DEPLOY FULLY - Rudder - INPUT FULL LEFT OR RIGHT - Throttle - CHANGE BETWEEN FULL AB AND IDLE - If no effect under 4000 feet AGL - EJECT hope this helps
well, its more useful when your not really close to the ground, ur kinda screwed there. But if higher up. Just follow TARE. Throttle idle, ailerons neutral, rudder opposite. elevator forward
Well, that's not a spin... This is a deep stall, a known F-16 quirk where you need to have power idle, and utilize the Manual Pitch Override switch to let you get the nose down.
@@mobius7089 It's not a "quirk", it's its normal way of "flying" if it would lack the fly-by-wire and you'd let it pitch however it likes... Only the FbW creates the illusion of a "steady state controlled horizontal flight", but take a look at the surfaces from the outside trying to keep the nose pointed and you will see how much work is going on under the hood. Why go to such lengths? It's easy: the less surfaces deflection in a turn, the less drag to hold you back. With an unstable airframe you have to point the elevons DOWN if anything, rather than up, so that also improves your lift.
if you listen around 2:00, i did cut the throttle. It started to help but I didnt recover. Its apparently called a deep stall, and needs a special switch and procedure.
@@arkie87 Throttle idle, exaggerate nose pitch oscillations with the elevators. It's about building "throw" to get the nose thrown forward hard enough to recover downward. Use rudder if you have to as well. So if the nose is tracking back up, pull with it. Keep pulling until it doesn't rise anymore, then give it full forward stick to push/"throw" the nose down as soon as it stops pitching up. Eventually you'll get out of it, but as other comments have stated, you have a high minimum altitude for recovery. This is all off the top of my head as to how I would recover the aircraft because I've gotten into it many times, not really referencing manuals here. It's worked for me, though.
Easily. It's one of the first airframes with "relaxed longitudinal stability" (meaning, it has the CoG placed quite far aft) - F-16 normally can only be flown with fly-by-wire, but even that system can't always guarantee you won't pitch up beyond the point it can catch it. And unlike the Flanker, F-16 is not very keen on returning to horizontal flight even if you apply enough pressure down below, so it can enter the "Cobra", but can't get out of it easily.
@@arkie87 only thing ive seen close was a f15c overshot the landing a little too fast, then stood vertical full AB to avoid fence and danced around like a fairy, bobbing at like 20-50 feet above the ground until it flopped forward and barely recovered at like 80-120 knots...both seemed to be froze or stuck midair for a bit
I don't even know how you did that, or how you maintained the stall that long lol. But I'd assume it's the same way you get out of any stall. Point the nose down and increase airspeed.
You need to press and hold the MPO switch (Manual Pitch Override) it gives you more pitch down authority allowing you to point the nose down. I suggest going hands-off and throttle back and see what happens, if the nose doesnt pitch down by itself then MPO and pitch forward and adjust throttle as needed. 9/10 times that should get you out of the deep stall. @@arkie87
dunno if i would die, but i would assume cut throttle let stick go neutral and jam either pedal into the floor, i feel like keeping power would only work if you were clean and low enough on fuel to have above 1:1 twr, but ive not flown the 16 much
Manual: hold man pitch override, throttle idle, no rudder, speedbrakes closed, rock it out of the stall with the stick (when the nose goes up, apply full back stick, when the nose goes down, full forwards stick) until it nose downs enough to gain airspeed
Procedure says, below 10.000ft, no effective recovery => eject.
Niggatory. I've never seen such procedure ever in my time on the falcon. The guy here didn't employ the MPO to OVERRIDE and just sat there. You just wiggle it back and forth until you get out of there. at 10.000ft you should at least have time until 5.000ft before contemplating an eject.
The F-16 does have agressive yaw rate suppression system, therefore leading to this less than satisfactory pitch rocking to get out of the stall, necessitating this MPO.
"The original F-16 design was overly aggressive in its attempts to control
yaw rate in a deep stall, resulting in ineffective pitch rocking and, in one case,
an extremely delayed recovery"
- F-35: From Concept To Cockpit, page 542, end of first paragraph.
I've had this too and found kind of a solution to this:
- Dont go all the way to the AOA limit during BFM
- If you enter the Stall try the following:
- Manual Pitch Override - HOLD IN OVERRIDE
- Pitch - FULL PITCH DOWN
- Airbrakes - DEPLOY FULLY
- Rudder - INPUT FULL LEFT OR RIGHT
- Throttle - CHANGE BETWEEN FULL AB AND IDLE
- If no effect under 4000 feet AGL - EJECT
hope this helps
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I would advice against the use of engine power since it can worsen things.
Everybody gangsta till the f16 gets stuck in a cobra
That's a deep stall, stick fully forward and flip the "kick" switch, aka the Manual Pitch Override
Manual pitch override switch under the throttle
Right pedal, push the stick down, throtlle in idle and let it lean on wing, than nose down and full mil power 🤘
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Last time that happened to me on went full afterburner and took hands off the controls and it recovered itself
well, its more useful when your not really close to the ground, ur kinda screwed there. But if higher up. Just follow TARE. Throttle idle, ailerons neutral, rudder opposite. elevator forward
Well, that's not a spin...
This is a deep stall, a known F-16 quirk where you need to have power idle, and utilize the Manual Pitch Override switch to let you get the nose down.
@ ah gotchya
@@mobius7089 It's not a "quirk", it's its normal way of "flying" if it would lack the fly-by-wire and you'd let it pitch however it likes... Only the FbW creates the illusion of a "steady state controlled horizontal flight", but take a look at the surfaces from the outside trying to keep the nose pointed and you will see how much work is going on under the hood.
Why go to such lengths? It's easy: the less surfaces deflection in a turn, the less drag to hold you back. With an unstable airframe you have to point the elevons DOWN if anything, rather than up, so that also improves your lift.
I assume you know this already, but if you had cut the throttle you would have easily recovered from this.
if you listen around 2:00, i did cut the throttle. It started to help but I didnt recover. Its apparently called a deep stall, and needs a special switch and procedure.
@@arkie87 Throttle idle, exaggerate nose pitch oscillations with the elevators. It's about building "throw" to get the nose thrown forward hard enough to recover downward. Use rudder if you have to as well.
So if the nose is tracking back up, pull with it. Keep pulling until it doesn't rise anymore, then give it full forward stick to push/"throw" the nose down as soon as it stops pitching up. Eventually you'll get out of it, but as other comments have stated, you have a high minimum altitude for recovery. This is all off the top of my head as to how I would recover the aircraft because I've gotten into it many times, not really referencing manuals here. It's worked for me, though.
Thrust rev, nose down . Full thrust untill control dive then recover
There is no "thrust reverse" in F-16
How is this even possible
Easily. It's one of the first airframes with "relaxed longitudinal stability" (meaning, it has the CoG placed quite far aft) - F-16 normally can only be flown with fly-by-wire, but even that system can't always guarantee you won't pitch up beyond the point it can catch it. And unlike the Flanker, F-16 is not very keen on returning to horizontal flight even if you apply enough pressure down below, so it can enter the "Cobra", but can't get out of it easily.
not even sure what exactly was going on
I was pitched up with very low speed with AB on. I think i was falling down/backwards at low speed due to AB pushing me up, but could recover flight.
@@arkie87 only thing ive seen close was a f15c overshot the landing a little too fast, then stood vertical full AB to avoid fence and danced around like a fairy, bobbing at like 20-50 feet above the ground until it flopped forward and barely recovered at like 80-120 knots...both seemed to be froze or stuck midair for a bit
There's no way you're not doing this on purpose
I thought this was impossible
Kill the throttle, and roll?
Just put your gear down and try again from takeoff.
Skill issue. Nose down and you would be fine
Full burner, rudder and right aeleron and nose down, but in reality, you got too slow too low
Or no throttle, try either
I don't even know how you did that, or how you maintained the stall that long lol. But I'd assume it's the same way you get out of any stall. Point the nose down and increase airspeed.
@ apparently, its called a deep stall. the FCS essentially keeps the nose pitched up.
I was of course pitching down the whole time...
I did that. Apparently, this is called a deep stall and occurs in the F16 because of the FCS.
You need to press and hold the MPO switch (Manual Pitch Override) it gives you more pitch down authority allowing you to point the nose down. I suggest going hands-off and throttle back and see what happens, if the nose doesnt pitch down by itself then MPO and pitch forward and adjust throttle as needed. 9/10 times that should get you out of the deep stall. @@arkie87
dunno if i would die, but i would assume cut throttle let stick go neutral and jam either pedal into the floor, i feel like keeping power would only work if you were clean and low enough on fuel to have above 1:1 twr, but ive not flown the 16 much