they’re honestly two people i would have never put together bc they seem so different but they rlly are super cute !! makes me realize how uninterested serena was over matt the entire season and how much she rlly likes joe lol
I agree...I would have never put them together... She is a very smart girl... She knew Matt was all into games like his best friend who only dates models....he dumped Rachel then got back with her...I hope she wakes up.
Serena is 23 going on to 35. She is super cute, intelligent, funny and fun to be with. Joe is a lucky man. I wish them a very long and happy future together. 😀👍❤️
Joe and Serena's relationship on paradise seems so much cuter tbh than Joe and Kendall's they had such a messy start even though I liked them both so much. I hope good things for Serena and Joe.
Agree...Joe and Kendall in paradise was painful. She was with too many other people. If Leo didnt get caught kissing Chelsea there wouldnt have been a Joe and Kendall. She was always looking to trade Joe in...she was never that into him.
@@samiam5434 all Kendall ever did was play games....but her game didnt get Joe this time. He stayed steadily invested in Serena and told her she was priority. Way to go Joe...dont waste anymore precious time on dead end relationships.
when Joe said “i’m into you… …you’re into me as well” reminds me of that friends episode where Chandler told Monica “you’re so hot… …and I’m cute too” same energy ❤️
This is too adorable and pure. I love that Serena was so in the moment and took the vulnerable step of telling Joe how she was feeling. And Joe is so deserving! He seemed to be the person waiting on Kendall to take steps forward. Had to wait for her to realize her feelings years ago in Paradise, moved to LA, didn't get the reciprocity of Kendall moving to Chicago. Finally there's equality in reciprocity with Serena!
She's still at that age though where she could wake one day and feel like a different person. I absolutely love, love, love them together but 23 and 35 is pretty radical.
@@Smorgasbord. you gotta stop projecting your experience onto someone you don’t know. Compare yourself to Serena. At 23, Imm pretty sure you did not have your shit together like Serena has at 23. At 23, I was dumb as a rock I can admit that. You would think someone older like you would know everyone comes from all walks of life. Serena has her shit.
Love Joe and Serena together. Serena seems more open than Kendall. Kendall views the break up with Joe as a difference in living location (...to her, a simple solution). However, it is deeper than that. He tried moving for her and she wasn't willing to TRY for him and THAT was the real deal breaker. That's why she's not over him after 1.5 years cuz she does not realize the problem is on her end.
Exactly. I loved their conversation when she got on the beach , because she tried to almost romanticize their break up as something that could be fixed, but joe was very quick to be, well you never wanted to move for a relationship but I was hoping that the strength of ours would be the exception. Like he kept repeating, he just wanted her to try and she didn’t budge. She didn’t want to make the effort. And Serena, she brings out this lightness in joe. When they are together, they are almost like they are in their own world but in the good way (if you want an example of the bad way, look at pieper and Brendan, eek). I think she could be the one for him.
Yeah but there’s something wrong with a man who thinks he has to live in the same city with his family all the time that’s a bad red flag in and of itself because it causes problems when their grandchildren are born
I have to admit, I was mad at Joe for not taking up for Natasha, but, after seeing he did, I'm better, and with this episode, I am over the moon, praying they work out....Seriously love them together...
Rather interesting watching this show. All the people who thought the grass was greener ended up leaving with nobody, but the people who worked on their connections with the first people they met are still solid
Unless the producers told him to give Kendall the rose and further this story line. Kendall is looking like a sadomasocist (how ever you spell it), making herself suffer like this
Omg when she DENIED him a kiss I cringed!! They have no connection whatsoever because why would he even think it’s okay to makeout in that moment? Not gonna last at all
The heart is a dangerous thing. If I wrote my stories of relationships you wld wonder when I regained my mind or if I ever did. You feel what you feel, the more you try to shake it off the more it grabs on. Been there. She will be fine with time
@@melanatedqueen very vulnerable and insightful of you! I agree-the heart/love is a very powerful force! Yes in time she will recover…hopefully with ALL of herself intact!!
I love this Couple.They deserve each other... like we say..If your past knocks on your door, Don't open...It has nothing Good yo say......It always be Drama...
Joe and Serena’s, a strong couple, for falling in love, getting engaged, and getting married. They are following each other love trip, and I pray 🙏that they stay together, and won’t get lost. ❤️💕❤️😍
They are sooo cute together! It puts a smile on my face everytime I watch this...which is a lot!!! It makes me happy and I laugh out loud about the order of 🥓....you never know what is going to come out of Joe's mouth!!! He should be the host and bartender of BIP. And Wells the host of Bachelor and Bachorette! 🤞❤🙏
Right I woulda left at the moment-at least hope I woulda-once I saw Jo was/had moved on. I say hope-cause ‘love’ and the hopes of love, in their case a minuscule possibility, may have kept me ‘fighting’. Either way SOOO difficult-agonizingly so!
I think Kendall came with hopes that Joe would just be her party beach boy, and then leave him at the end...all Confused!!! It's Joe and Serena all the way for me!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Q: how long have you been broken up? Kendall: "like a year and a half...so relatively new..." 🤨🤔😂 ----------- Kendall...why are you torturing yourself?! I hope this finally gives you closure.
It is really difficult for anyone to see their x who has not had closure for them seeing them falling in love with a new person where they 1st met. I do hope that Kendell gets her person to fall in love with. She needs to move on, and I wish her the best :)
the reason she has no closure is because the problem to their break up was her and somehow she still does not get it so im not surprised if you dont get why you broke up with someone and that you actually were the problem is harder to accept it and move on 1,5 years is a very long time to not get over someone
they’re really cute together and seem really happy around each other but idk i feel like somethings missing between them. maybe with time those walls fall
Serena is from Canada so I can see her being willing to live in Chicago. It’s understandable that Kendall stands her ground because she is from SoCal which is such a different climate and culture she has a twin sister there which is a strong bond. They made the right decision to break up over location it’s really hard to move for a person alone I don’t think it would have worked and Serena is awesome and more like minded and a great solution. I wonder about the age gap but she’s pretty mature-I think we are gonna see babies!!
I think Kendall thought Joe would want to rekindle things with her but it's clear he's already moved on. She needs to go home and just save herself from any more heartache. I mean who wants to see their ex making out and telling someone else they are falling in love with them when you still have feelings? I think she'll probably send herself home next week more than likely.
@@fernandez9644 Joe is approaching 40s and would probably want a kid soon not sure if serena is ready for that. She went on the bachelor to cry out loud to then push a break when things got serious. Ivan is a mess my god why did he even think of kissing kendal when she was so fixated on Joe making out with serena? Too cringey! I think kendal left on the next episode which makes Ivan scrambled and latch to Chelsea. I don't like Aaron but Ivan was wrong to break a formed couple.
@@kichw I believe it’s 23-35, yeah there’s a gap but it’s not like they aren’t aware. you realize Mari & Kenny are about 15 yrs apart? lol Serena seems really mature for her age, she was always well spoken - even on Matt’s season. They look really happy together.
@@apriladaum1020 And Toronto to Chicago is only a 1.5 hour flight. I could see them moving to NYC and then later to Chicago. It doesn't sound like Serena is opposed to moving out of Canada (I almost feel like they might've already discussed this but the edit cut it out).
Right?! I hope they would have discussed this. Both are from the East coast (though different countries: USA/Canada) which actually maybe easier than a West coast/East coast transition 🤷♀️.
It’s good that Kendall left, just too hard to see Joe. Hopefully she will move on, needs to. Joe and Serena are a cute couple, maybe will work for them, if she will move…He is one of a kind. God bless there relationship and there lives…
No one asked Kendall to show up! She had her chance and blew if off! I would loved to move in with a man once he is a gentleman. Relationship is sacrificial!
Eh 23 yrs really - nothing against her but .. Joe really 💕to all hope they have fun and Kendal is going to be fine and start a new beautiful future with someone much better for her too ❤
They are borh sweet but when they move on together in real live and the glamour of rhe show is not there anymore the diffrence in age will very likely pop up. She would want to do things that he is not interested in or don't have the energy to do. Wish them both all the best though.
Watch out Serena you gonna get your heart broken he’ll go back to Kendal.Anyway you’ve got a personality which is a loving caring and full of good qualities .Your mood is real calm.love for who you are All the very best.
@princess Ruth1 be careful with saying that, at least be more specific. bc age is definitely more than number.. And let's also be realistic. Serena acts like a child, while this man is pushing 40. Awkward...
@@GandalftheWise She's a 23 yr old woman with the vernacular and personality of a 16 yr old. But yes, you're right. She can date whatever age adult she chooses as it's her prerogative. 🙂
Am I the only one who thinks Serena is just using Joe for Clout since he's so big in the franchise? Her and Pieper are best friends, Serena made that comment to her about followers, she's 23 and definitely not the same level of maturity as Joe. She just seems really immature to me
Serena’s reaction to Joe saying he’s falling for her too was sooo adorable ❤️❤️
they’re honestly two people i would have never put together bc they seem so different but they rlly are super cute !! makes me realize how uninterested serena was over matt the entire season and how much she rlly likes joe lol
I agree...I would have never put them together...
She is a very smart girl...
She knew Matt was all into games like his best friend who only dates models....he dumped Rachel then got back with her...I hope she wakes up.
Exactly, she was trying to be with Matt. This is what her sister was trying to tell her. With Joe its effortless, you can see she's in love
Serena is 23 going on to 35. She is super cute, intelligent, funny and fun to be with. Joe is a lucky man. I wish them a very long and happy future together. 😀👍❤️
@@40pluslooks36 falling in love in two weeks on a scripted tv show lol
Right
Joe and Serena's relationship on paradise seems so much cuter tbh than Joe and Kendall's they had such a messy start even though I liked them both so much. I hope good things for Serena and Joe.
They are the same level of calm.. I am def happy for Joe he deserves it.
Agree...Joe and Kendall in paradise was painful. She was with too many other people. If Leo didnt get caught kissing Chelsea there wouldnt have been a Joe and Kendall. She was always looking to trade Joe in...she was never that into him.
Kendell was/is not where joe is I think. Maturity and spiritually. They are both not playing games and kendell was and I’m sure that never stopped.
@@samiam5434 all Kendall ever did was play games....but her game didnt get Joe this time. He stayed steadily invested in Serena and told her she was priority. Way to go Joe...dont waste anymore precious time on dead end relationships.
I honestly hate kendall, Shes a friggin board
They are so shy and sweet and awkward together. I love it!
when Joe said “i’m into you… …you’re into me as well” reminds me of that friends episode where Chandler told Monica “you’re so hot… …and I’m cute too” same energy ❤️
It’s the ‘really?!’ for me 🥰🥰😅😅. LOVE these two. And they seem to really get each other.
This is too adorable and pure. I love that Serena was so in the moment and took the vulnerable step of telling Joe how she was feeling. And Joe is so deserving! He seemed to be the person waiting on Kendall to take steps forward. Had to wait for her to realize her feelings years ago in Paradise, moved to LA, didn't get the reciprocity of Kendall moving to Chicago. Finally there's equality in reciprocity with Serena!
“I feel like she’s my girlfriend at this point” 😭😭😭😭😭
And now she’s his wife 🥹💓
I could see Joe and Serena in it for the long haul, they are adorable as a couple 💞
She's still at that age though where she could wake one day and feel like a different person. I absolutely love, love, love them together but 23 and 35 is pretty radical.
It can happen lol I’m married and I’m 22 got married at 19 been with him since 17. Now we have a kid, so don’t knock it lol
@@mariahharvey4249 yes but you’re only 22. People start changing in their mid to late 20s usually
@@Smorgasbord. you gotta stop projecting your experience onto someone you don’t know. Compare yourself to Serena. At 23, Imm pretty sure you did not have your shit together like Serena has at 23. At 23, I was dumb as a rock I can admit that. You would think someone older like you would know everyone comes from all walks of life. Serena has her shit.
@@ThatGmoney What? Lol
Love Joe and Serena together.
Serena seems more open than Kendall.
Kendall views the break up with Joe as a difference in living location (...to her, a simple solution). However, it is deeper than that. He tried moving for her and she wasn't willing to TRY for him and THAT was the real deal breaker. That's why she's not over him after 1.5 years cuz she does not realize the problem is on her end.
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FACTSSSS THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING. SHE BASICALLY CAUSED THE BREAKUP
Exactly. I loved their conversation when she got on the beach , because she tried to almost romanticize their break up as something that could be fixed, but joe was very quick to be, well you never wanted to move for a relationship but I was hoping that the strength of ours would be the exception. Like he kept repeating, he just wanted her to try and she didn’t budge. She didn’t want to make the effort. And Serena, she brings out this lightness in joe. When they are together, they are almost like they are in their own world but in the good way (if you want an example of the bad way, look at pieper and Brendan, eek). I think she could be the one for him.
To be fair, she did tell him at the beginning that she would never move
Yeah but there’s something wrong with a man who thinks he has to live in the same city with his family all the time that’s a bad red flag in and of itself because it causes problems when their grandchildren are born
I have to admit, I was mad at Joe for not taking up for Natasha, but, after seeing he did, I'm better, and with this episode, I am over the moon, praying they work out....Seriously love them together...
He's seems like a mature, decent guy.
He is so shy and awkward that is so cute
WHEN THEY BOTH TOLD EACH OTHER THAT THEYRE FALLING IN LOVE WITH EACH OTHER 😭😭😭😭😭
Rather interesting watching this show. All the people who thought the grass was greener ended up leaving with nobody, but the people who worked on their connections with the first people they met are still solid
Each move is critical when in the courting phase for sure . However Serena did go on a date with the jolly giant
The way she said REALLY??!!!!! ❤️
I don't understand why Ivan gave kendall a rose... She DOES NOT want anyone but Joe. WAKE UP, IVAN!!!
😂😩....Ivan is looking silly out here !!!
He literally should have tried to pursue Deandra they would have been so cute!
Unless the producers told him to give Kendall the rose and further this story line. Kendall is looking like a sadomasocist (how ever you spell it), making herself suffer like this
Omg when she DENIED him a kiss I cringed!! They have no connection whatsoever because why would he even think it’s okay to makeout in that moment? Not gonna last at all
I don't either!!! He should have given it to Deandra to keep her there like she did him. He seems Clueless!!!
Why is Kendall torturing herself 😭
Exactly.. why.. she should go home?
Move on ! Kendall!! Joe have, or go home!!
The heart is a dangerous thing. If I wrote my stories of relationships you wld wonder when I regained my mind or if I ever did. You feel what you feel, the more you try to shake it off the more it grabs on. Been there. She will be fine with time
@@melanatedqueen very vulnerable and insightful of you! I agree-the heart/love is a very powerful force!
Yes in time she will recover…hopefully with ALL of herself intact!!
That's what she gets for thinking she could get Joe to be with her just by showing her face.
I like how they playfully fight w/each other!!!
They are both solid and I guess this would be a solid relationship!
Go home Kendall and stop torturing yourself
She could try with someone other than joe and find love.
I'm so happy for Joe & Serena, please let it work out.
Kendall, why would you do that to yourself honey? :( I'd be so so sad if I was her.
Awwwww.... I'm giddy for them!! I can't stop smiling! Wish them the best!💜💜💜
Falling in love is the best feeling in the world. 🤦🏾♀️🥰
Especially when it’s real and authentic and not on a tv show that’s meant to entice viewers into watching more :)
I love this Couple.They deserve each other... like we say..If your past knocks on your door, Don't open...It has nothing Good yo say......It always be Drama...
Joe and Serena’s, a strong couple, for falling in love, getting engaged, and getting married. They are following each other love trip, and I pray 🙏that they stay together, and won’t get lost. ❤️💕❤️😍
I like Joe More than anybody from BN. I hope this is it and he will be happy forever.
I love Joe and Serena 🥰
And now they’re married ❤❤❤
Serena is so so beautiful
They are SO CUTE together!! A great match
She has more chemistry with Joe than Matt James.
So glad these 2 are together! I hope they get engaged. Shes so much better than his old girlfriend
How can you not fall in love with sweetheart Serena???
They are sooo cute together! It puts a smile on my face everytime I watch this...which is a lot!!! It makes me happy and I laugh out loud about the order of 🥓....you never know what is going to come out of Joe's mouth!!! He should be the host and bartender of BIP. And Wells the host of Bachelor and Bachorette! 🤞❤🙏
I’ve watched this clip an unhealthy amount of times
Joe is so fynee
Damn I would not be able to do what Kendall is doing. That would be so fucking awkward.
Right I woulda left at the moment-at least hope I woulda-once I saw Jo was/had moved on.
I say hope-cause ‘love’ and the hopes of love, in their case a minuscule possibility, may have kept me ‘fighting’.
Either way SOOO difficult-agonizingly so!
I think Kendall came with hopes that Joe would just be her party beach boy, and then leave him at the end...all Confused!!! It's Joe and Serena all the way for me!!! ❤️❤️❤️
Q: how long have you been broken up?
Kendall: "like a year and a half...so relatively new..."
🤨🤔😂
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Kendall...why are you torturing yourself?! I hope this finally gives you closure.
A year and a half is not relatively new, she just needs to heal and move on.
Relatively new? Uhh no
🥺love these two.
You left him a year and the half ago, and you say it's relatively new? The joke is on you kendall!!
It is really difficult for anyone to see their x who has not had closure for them seeing them falling in love with a new person where they 1st met. I do hope that Kendell gets her person to fall in love with. She needs to move on, and I wish her the best :)
You can see Kendall is not ready to fall in love again. She needs to completely get over Joe first.
@@lindakaszynski1993 That's true.
the reason she has no closure is because the problem to their break up was her and somehow she still does not get it so im not surprised if you dont get why you broke up with someone and that you actually were the problem is harder to accept it and move on 1,5 years is a very long time to not get over someone
Awww this was so pure
Serena is so dang cute!!
this couple is going to last! they are going to make it work
they’re really cute together and seem really happy around each other but idk i feel like somethings missing between them. maybe with time those walls fall
confused as to why she wanted to “move forward” by coming to a place where her ex is gonna be
Serena is from Canada so I can see her being willing to live in Chicago. It’s understandable that Kendall stands her ground because she is from SoCal which is such a different climate and culture she has a twin sister there which is a strong bond. They made the right decision to break up over location it’s really hard to move for a person alone I don’t think it would have worked and Serena is awesome and more like minded and a great solution. I wonder about the age gap but she’s pretty mature-I think we are gonna see babies!!
Kendall, My dearest it’s time to let it go!!! Pls for my sake.
Anyway, I love Joe &Serena❤️
I think Kendall thought Joe would want to rekindle things with her but it's clear he's already moved on. She needs to go home and just save herself from any more heartache. I mean who wants to see their ex making out and telling someone else they are falling in love with them when you still have feelings? I think she'll probably send herself home next week more than likely.
I love these two so much.... 👏 👏. Praying it works out for them and be happy always
So happy to hear this ! ❤💙
Serena’s family will get into her ear and she’ll soon complain that Joe is not her “person”
Not true. I’m sure her family’s opinion matters but she was NEVER this into Matt. She’s so giddy & happy with Joe ❤️
@@fernandez9644 I don't get it because literally the elephant in the room is 12 year age gap. Am 32 can not date 20 year old abit too immature for me.
@@fernandez9644 Joe is approaching 40s and would probably want a kid soon not sure if serena is ready for that. She went on the bachelor to cry out loud to then push a break when things got serious. Ivan is a mess my god why did he even think of kissing kendal when she was so fixated on Joe making out with serena? Too cringey! I think kendal left on the next episode which makes Ivan scrambled and latch to Chelsea. I don't like Aaron but Ivan was wrong to break a formed couple.
@@kichw I believe it’s 23-35, yeah there’s a gap but it’s not like they aren’t aware. you realize Mari & Kenny are about 15 yrs apart? lol Serena seems really mature for her age, she was always well spoken - even on Matt’s season. They look really happy together.
@@fernandez9644 agree with you. Matt was into her more than she was into him. The way she looks at Joe is completely different
I love these two! They're so cute! 😭❤
So sweet they have fallen in love 💓💞💞💞💕💘💋💋💋💯💯
Joe et serena sont trop beau
omg they are so sweet together!
Are we forgetting Serena lives in Canada.. lol
She could move too Chicago for LOVE ❤️ Joe would definitely be worth it 💯
It’d be only an 8hr drive I believe for them
@@apriladaum1020 And Toronto to Chicago is only a 1.5 hour flight. I could see them moving to NYC and then later to Chicago. It doesn't sound like Serena is opposed to moving out of Canada (I almost feel like they might've already discussed this but the edit cut it out).
Right?! I hope they would have discussed this. Both are from the East coast (though different countries: USA/Canada) which actually maybe easier than a West coast/East coast transition 🤷♀️.
He is 35 and she is 23 i dont see that
I wasnt sure about them at first..she is so younģ..but idk...now im rooting for them🤗
So freakin cute!!
Cute! And now they’re married
It’s good that Kendall left, just too hard to see Joe. Hopefully she will move on, needs to. Joe and Serena are a cute couple, maybe will work for them, if she will move…He is one of a kind. God bless there relationship and there lives…
Love them Love them so meant to be together
Go home Kendall!!
Aww 🥰 they are so cute!!
Go home Kendall!
Love Serena My faver persona and Joe to.
My favorite 😍 couple on da show ,Joe ,he such a humble 👦 guy, wishing them all da best in da 🌎. ❤️
No one asked Kendall to show up! She had her chance and blew if off! I would loved to move in with a man once he is a gentleman. Relationship is sacrificial!
Guys where can we watch the full episode? Any suggestions please??
I’m in South Africa we don’t have that I think
I'm in Sa. what's your names on Facebook? I want to sent you link via inbox where you can watch
Hello Linhle it’s Thato Grace
Please add me or even send me please
@Sharmarke Ismail I’m in South Africa
I love them together hope it works out
I'm deadddd this is so cute 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
Have they talked about who moves where in the future
Gawd they are 2 cute😭😭
They make me smile. Cuties)))
“I think I like you more than you like me” 😔🤦🏽♀️Some things shouldn’t be uttered out loud 😭🙏 even if you think the statement is true🙏
Well, if you won't marry me, then okay, fall in love with Serena ❤ you two are adorable 🙏
Grocery Store Joe looks like Greg Brady
I don’t see her point if she isn’t going to move to Chicago why go there
Kendall definitely going through unnecessary torture. I’d have to leave immediately.
Kendall this is not about you.
Love them together 🥺
Adorable 🌼 🌻 🌸
Just hope it last
Kendall get over it already you screwed your chance..
Eh 23 yrs really - nothing against her but .. Joe really 💕to all hope they have fun and Kendal is going to be fine and start a new beautiful future with someone much better for her too ❤
😂 I'm so happy for them its definitely abnormal of me. Lmao
In what reality is being broken up a year and a half (almost two years!?) new?
James should date Kendall since he so worry about her.
Awww 🥰
I just feel bad for Ivan lol
Not so much anymore 🤣🤣
23 vs 35…entirely different stages in life.
They are borh sweet but when they move on together in real live and the glamour of rhe show is not there anymore the diffrence in age will very likely pop up.
She would want to do things that he is not interested in or don't have the energy to do. Wish them both all the best though.
Doesn't have the energy to do?! 😂😂
He's only 35. That's not exactly ancient.
Cuties!!!!!
WE STAN Kendall hater's
Watch out Serena you gonna get your heart broken he’ll go back to Kendal.Anyway you’ve got a personality which is a loving caring and full of good qualities .Your mood is real calm.love for who you are All the very best.
2yrs later he's still with Serena. Happily so.
Joe needs to decide! He wants kendall back or what? Odd
does it seem to you that he wanted kendall back at any point?lol it has been really clear that he has moved on
@@ronaldihnio4ever better be.
i dont think this girl is perfect for him.
Joe looks and is too old for Serena.
@princess Ruth1 be careful with saying that, at least be more specific. bc age is definitely more than number.. And let's also be realistic. Serena acts like a child, while this man is pushing 40. Awkward...
@@camno-n2x Serena is a grown-ass woman. If she chooses the day to date a guy who is 60 that's her choice
@@GandalftheWise She's a 23 yr old woman with the vernacular and personality of a 16 yr old. But yes, you're right. She can date whatever age adult she chooses as it's her prerogative. 🙂
@@camno-n2x you sound bitter mam. Let people be.
Agreed
Serena looks like his daughter. I doubt this would last, but I love Joe tho
Am I the only one who thinks Serena is just using Joe for Clout since he's so big in the franchise? Her and Pieper are best friends, Serena made that comment to her about followers, she's 23 and definitely not the same level of maturity as Joe. She just seems really immature to me
I feel the same way, and she's getting a really good edit too
Youre confused with the other serena- the one who got let go the first ceremony
Wrong Serena LOL
@@Rach-631 Nah it was actually Serena P, people just decided theyd prefer it be the other one LOL
@@bobbyxsoxer Nah it really was Serena P, not Serena C who left the first week