Another excellent video. Since it was always just Mom and myself, didn’t have to worry about “family “. Mom had a 1964 Chevy Malibu SS Convertible for many years. ONE POINT: cars from 60 years ago only lasted [ generally], 100,000 miles. Tho Odometer would roll over at 99,999. It was the Japanese cars that added the extra number to the odometer, because y those cars were lasting twice as long. 🚗🙂
@@jamesbosworth4191 Correct, in California smog inspections only go back to the 1976 model year for smog. As for everyday driving, I use the Mazda. The 65 although has disc brakes is still a 59-year-old car that is not as tight.
The reasons are 1) CAFE, 2) They are all in the Japanoid idiom, and Japanese cars are made mainly for commuting and running errands. Traditional American cars were first and foremost designed for Pleasure Cruising. That meant at least adequate interior room, quietness relative to their price class, and a nice smooth ride. Japanese cars are too small and too cramped to be good Pleasure Cruisers, and they ride way too rough and suffer from severe road noise, neither of which is pleasant. They are designed for lowest cost motoring, just like a Model T. 3) "Family" to us Americans includes the Grandparents, cousins, etc. "Family" to the designers of Japanese cars is just Mom and Dad, and 2 little kids in the tiny back seat. Those are the big reasons family cars are not as good as they used to be.
The only decent Modern Sedans that are worth buying is the Dodge Charger and the Chrysler 300 while any other modern sedan is only for midget people and not big guys like me and alot of these modern Sedans (nor modern vehicles ingeneral) aren't as robust or bulletproof as the legendary 4.6L SOHC 2V Modular V8 in the Ford Panther Platform (Ford Crownvic, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car).
If the modern family sedan was modeled after the modern family, it would be a modular multi-deck mini-van with optional, detachable outriggers and multiple side-cars. This would accommodate the lack of commitment to a family unit with half-step people and semi-half-cousins in the same household. I’d like to say that the design of family vehicles is defined by averaging that which doesn’t annoy people without being too exciting with what is most profitable. But the bottom line is you can’t really define a modern family sedan without defining what a modern family is. Its no wonder the modern family vehicle is an amorphous blob on wheels. An amorphous blob is what the family unit is. The most confused of all vehicle consumers are pickup drivers that never have anything bulkier than their ego to move. Ego is at the root of it. You could say it destroyed the family sedan, when in-fact it destroyed the family. This is why having a family car with too big of a motor worked. It accommodated the family and the occasional ego issue.
Excellent presentation and you are telling the tuth. Well stated. I liked how you talked about how the needs of buyers versus the reality of the situation. Well stated again I must say.
Car's today SUCK The new Malibu is an Opel in Germany. The Malibu of 50 years was way better....... I take a Malibu of 50 years ago than today's piece of shit GDI engine I have an 11 Malibu that gunked engine that always serviced my mechanic cannot clean the carbon on the engine.
@@jamesbosworth4191 Instead of having conventional fuel injection rail. GDI is Gasoline Direct Injection. Throughout time they get dirty and caked with carbon.
Only boomers can remember those old cars. The days of lots of color options for outside and inside. Not just black silver gray white and red. All will black or tan interior chosen by the maker based on exterior color.
That's because you guys refuse to buy anything but Japanese, and if you can afford it, German. Buy a low-mileage full-size car from the 70s. If it is a 74 or earlier, it will not be subject to smog checks and will not have a catalytic converter. That means you can swap out the automatic that it probably has for a manual transmission for more fun. Just remember that you will also have to change the rear end, as you can not pull super-tall gears with a manual trans.
Station wagons got their name from how they were thought similar to the existing train station horse wagons meant to pick up and drop off passengers and their luggage at the train station. So it wasn't designed to be a family car either. "Family car" is a subjective term.
Always PACKED with details and you don’t disappoint. Thank you. Another please..
I'll do my best.
Great comparison I didn’t know they were still making the Malibu I want a family car not a truck
We have a Subaru Outback. I still consider it as a small Station Wagon.
Another excellent video.
Since it was always just Mom and myself, didn’t have to worry about “family “.
Mom had a 1964 Chevy Malibu SS Convertible for many years.
ONE POINT: cars from 60 years ago only lasted [ generally], 100,000 miles. Tho Odometer would roll over at 99,999. It was the Japanese cars that added the extra number to the odometer, because y those cars were lasting twice as long.
🚗🙂
60 years ago, there was no such thing as synthetic motor oil either. And Volvo was the first one to add the extra digit, not the Japanese.
60 years ago (and one week), speaking of fine family cars, the Buick Sport Wagon and Oldsmobile Vista-Cruiser were introduced!
Right on. I have 22 Mazda CX5 and my late Morthes 65 4-door Malibu Wagon, I always use the wagon if I move things as there is so much more space! 🚙
I bet.
I would ditch the Japanese car and just use the Malibu. You don't have to get the Malibu smog checked, right?
@@jamesbosworth4191 Correct, in California smog inspections only go back to the 1976 model year for smog. As for everyday driving, I use the Mazda. The 65 although has disc brakes is still a 59-year-old car that is not as tight.
The reasons are 1) CAFE, 2) They are all in the Japanoid idiom, and Japanese cars are made mainly for commuting and running errands. Traditional American cars were first and foremost designed for Pleasure Cruising. That meant at least adequate interior room, quietness relative to their price class, and a nice smooth ride. Japanese cars are too small and too cramped to be good Pleasure Cruisers, and they ride way too rough and suffer from severe road noise, neither of which is pleasant. They are designed for lowest cost motoring, just like a Model T. 3) "Family" to us Americans includes the Grandparents, cousins, etc. "Family" to the designers of Japanese cars is just Mom and Dad, and 2 little kids in the tiny back seat. Those are the big reasons family cars are not as good as they used to be.
forget SUVs Bring back BIG sedans...
Modern cars are safer and more fuel efficient. That's where the attraction ends.
It did have tilt......sunvisors and seats
The last decent midsized Chevrolet was the 2005 Chevrolet Classic. Should swap out the 4 cylinder and get a Chevrolet 3.9L V6.
Easier said than done.
Well argued points of view.
Thanks.
You make some excellent points. 🤔💭🎯
Thanks.
The only decent Modern Sedans that are worth buying is the Dodge Charger and the Chrysler 300 while any other modern sedan is only for midget people and not big guys like me and alot of these modern Sedans (nor modern vehicles ingeneral) aren't as robust or bulletproof as the legendary 4.6L SOHC 2V Modular V8 in the Ford Panther Platform (Ford Crownvic, Mercury Grand Marquis, and Lincoln Town Car).
If the modern family sedan was modeled after the modern family, it would be a modular multi-deck mini-van with optional, detachable outriggers and multiple side-cars. This would accommodate the lack of commitment to a family unit with half-step people and semi-half-cousins in the same household.
I’d like to say that the design of family vehicles is defined by averaging that which doesn’t annoy people without being too exciting with what is most profitable. But the bottom line is you can’t really define a modern family sedan without defining what a modern family is.
Its no wonder the modern family vehicle is an amorphous blob on wheels. An amorphous blob is what the family unit is.
The most confused of all vehicle consumers are pickup drivers that never have anything bulkier than their ego to move. Ego is at the root of it. You could say it destroyed the family sedan, when in-fact it destroyed the family.
This is why having a family car with too big of a motor worked. It accommodated the family and the occasional ego issue.
Ugh. Car culture is dead
Not to those of us who still drive traditional American cars it isn't.
Interesting subject well made and presented, HCG. 👍👍👍
Thanks.
ridiculous video.
todays little plastic toy cars are ugly, not as big and uncomfortable .
How about modern station wagons? They tick all the boxes - comfort, economy, performance, space, safety.
Who builds one that is reasonably priced? No one, because they don't sell at all.
Mercedes and BMW wagons are just too expensive for most folks.
VW Passat, Mazda 6, Chavy Malibu come to mind in a reasonable price range
@@kmyre Too small.
I can't think of a modern wagon with more than 5 passenger seating or significant cargo space or towing capacity.
My 2013 Chevrolet Impala does fine, except towing. Suspension is a bit too soft for towing.
I understand.
Excellent presentation and you are telling the tuth. Well stated. I liked how you talked about how the needs of buyers versus the reality of the situation. Well stated again I must say.
Thanks.
Great vid!!!! 🤜🤛
Thanks.
60 years ago there were no electric cars.
But over100 years ago there were.
Well, actually there were, but certainly not in the mainstream.
There were a few.
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True, but, 120 years ago there were electric cars.
Car's today SUCK
The new Malibu is an Opel in Germany.
The Malibu of 50 years was way better.......
I take a Malibu of 50 years ago than today's piece of shit GDI engine
I have an 11 Malibu that gunked engine that always serviced my mechanic cannot clean the carbon on the engine.
And with today's synthetic motor oil, it will probably outlast one of today's rolling computers.
@@jamesbosworth4191
But today's additives in gas is what's killing today's car's with GDI injection engines
@@ralphabreu5022 What is GDI? I don't have a modern car, so I don't know what many of these abbreviations mean.
@@jamesbosworth4191
Instead of having conventional fuel injection rail.
GDI is Gasoline Direct Injection. Throughout time they get dirty and caked with carbon.
@@ralphabreu5022 How do diesels get away with it?
Modern families aren't as good as they used to be.
Maybe that's why it was cancelled.
Only boomers can remember those old cars. The days of lots of color options for outside and inside. Not just black silver gray white and red. All will black or tan interior chosen by the maker based on exterior color.
Plum Crazy.
That's because you guys refuse to buy anything but Japanese, and if you can afford it, German. Buy a low-mileage full-size car from the 70s. If it is a 74 or earlier, it will not be subject to smog checks and will not have a catalytic converter. That means you can swap out the automatic that it probably has for a manual transmission for more fun. Just remember that you will also have to change the rear end, as you can not pull super-tall gears with a manual trans.
Well done
Station wagons got their name from how they were thought similar to the existing train station horse wagons meant to pick up and drop off passengers and their luggage at the train station. So it wasn't designed to be a family car either. "Family car" is a subjective term.
Body style names are a thing of their own that have really gone off the rails with things like "4 door coupes".
Originally, that was true, but families discovered how family-friendly they were.
@@thehopelesscarguy That is just like "salty sugar" or "dry water".
@@jamesbosworth4191Yes.. now tell that to Mercedes..
What is the difference between a station wagon and an suv?
When you boil all the fat out of it… it’s CAFE Regulations. That’s why you don’t see any station wagons anymore.
Most station wagons were based on a passenger car, SUVs are based on a pickup truck.
I read it on another site: today we don't drive cars, we drive toasters.
That would explain much of the styling.
They are not cars, they are rolling computers. One of the reasons I refuse to buy a modern car.
@@thehopelesscarguy They are not styled at all, they are designed to look just like everything else.