This is soo Todd, not that other version who talks about being attracted to his daughters... Love Roger who knows how to show a fathers love for his daughter.
I love everything about these scenes with RH and KA. Howarth is so good here, he breaks my heart. He tells Starr just enough for her to understand that Blair has really hurt him but not enough so that he will turn Starr against Blair. I will forever miss RH's Todd Manning.
carringtongrace 73 & this is why I had a hard time with TSJ's time as Todd. Granted I know it was the writers but here he says he'll always forgive her & as a baby he promised her no matter what she did, he wouldn't make her feel worthless but after RH left & they had Starr get pregnant, that seemed to be forgotten.
Leslie - I only watched OLTL sporadically once RH left so I can't really have an informed opinion on TSJ although what I did see of him didn't impress me. He seemed very stoic where as Roger is incredibly expressive. One day I may muster up the courage to watch more of TSJ's Todd, I kind of feel bad for him. He had huge shoes to fill, it wasn't his fault that RH chose to leave, he maybe would have been a better fit for another character on the show but not Todd. Roger was Todd to me. I think that people who were around for RH's Todd believe that to be true but for the ones who only know TSJ's Todd, they can't imagine RH being him. Strange how that works.
+Leslie IKR? I will never forget the scene where TSJ (the Pod Todd) tracked down a pregnant Starr and Cole to some off-season seaside resort, and Todd pushed Starr so that she fell down the stairs, w/o even stopping in his hot pursuit of Cole. Anyone with insight knew that the real Todd could never have done that--never. Given the tender and protective way RH Todd felt about his little girl? Not a chance. I noticed someone else made the same observation in a way earlier comment, and I was glad to see that other viewers thought the same way. The writers REALLY dropped the ball in that whole badly thought-out, Pod Todd storyline. I never bothered to write them fan mail or nasty-grams, but I hear that some viewers did, so it might've been a good idea, IF they cared how the viewers felt.
+carringtongrace, you are so genteel, saying TSJ seemed stoic. "Way shallower" (than RH) comes to my mind. I'm not saying TSJ couldn't act at all, but he seemed decidedly uncomfortable when his role departed from the safe bounds of a macho, action-figure character and dropped him into an emotional scene where he had to expose his vulnerable side. This is why I'm not convinced that TSJ had the dimension needed to (credibly) portray the painful and complex process of redemption. Where RH could play ANY aspect of Todd's character convincingly. In fact, there was a time when RH himself doubted that such a redemption could ever happen in the real world, but he had to mature and evolve enough to believe that, and in turn, make us believe--with every tortured step of his journey past his self-condemnation, toward confronting his personal demons and to a gradually acquired acceptance of what he could not change about his past. There *was* some profoundly insightful writing in that show at times!
fancifulfilly - Your take on TSJ is really interesting. I have to admit that I didn't really watch OLTL after Roger left the show, just caught it here and there so I feel like I can't make an informed opinion on him. Maybe they should have left him as Walker, he had really big shoes to fill. I kind of feel bad for him as it wasn't his fault that Roger decided to leave the show. I did hear that Todd pushed Starr down the stairs though. I may have to try to find that scene. You are totally right, Roger's Todd adored his Starr and I can't see him every being cruel to her. Roger can totally let himself feel and his Todd was not afraid to expose his vulnerable side. He only did that to a handful of people but he did. I so loved Roger in this role. Great to talk to another Roger/Todd fan!
RealToddwouldn't have pushed Starr not even by accident(plus Starr would not have been pregnant RH was still Todd and the writers stuck to the real story of Todd) I have watched several TSJ's online the writers ruined the entire story of RH's/Todd/Blair/Starr/Jack /Jessica and even Vicki's relationships... so sad really
@soapfan Trevor St John gave an interview a year ago talking about how Todd could be attracted to his daughters and he sometimes played scenes like that.
He obviously had no understanding of the character. He played him so coldly with no empathy. In my opinion he was totally unlike the original Todd. Attracted to his own daughters? There was no reason for him to put that interpretation on it. That was contrary to everything Todd had shown as a father. In fact Todd's shock and revulsion and hearing about Vicki being abused by her own father should have been a clue on how to play that.
I loved Todd no matter who was playing him. Trevor did the best with what he was given. He's an actor, he had no control over what the writers did. And at least he was committed to portraying Todd no matter what, and that's one thing he had over Roger. Maybe if RH cared more about the fans to stick around, then Todd's fate wouldn't have been twisting in the wind and a recast wouldnt have been necessary.
RH left the show because the FV and RC the new writers after Ms. Nixon retired... He was very unhappy about the direction they were taking Todd's story... matter of fact so was I and many other OLTL fans back then... The history of Todd under the new writers was pretty much forgotten it was really unfair to RH and to his fans!
I agree I prefer OG Todd, but TSJ deserves his flowers too he helped keep the story going forward. Fans can be so harsh, we accepted him when before RH came back so he doesn't deserve the hate.
Oh my, what a beautiful episode! I love and miss those days! Starr was so adorable!
I loved this father and daughter duo. The best ever ❤
OMG this is precious. I can't stand it. Roger is the ABSOLUTE BEST and ONLY TODD EVER.
They had such a special relationship! I miss being able to watch them regularly.
I wish that my dad and i had this relationship. This is truely unique and special.
The way he smiles at her... i love todd and i love starr
This is soo Todd, not that other version who talks about being attracted to his daughters... Love Roger who knows how to show a fathers love for his daughter.
Omg fake Todd said that?? Ugh.
I don’t remember fake Todd ever saying that.
I love how he talks to her he treats her as a person even when she was so little
"I don't have feelings" awww the real Todd
Classic Todd & Starr. Always showed his softer side.
Exactly Blair showed Todd's soft side too tea could never
@@shanicejoseph8252 Tea was better with TSJ Todd. Blair was better with this Todd!
Starr had a Sailor Moon teddy bear....awwwww!!!!!!
I love everything about these scenes with RH and KA. Howarth is so good here, he breaks my heart. He tells Starr just enough for her to understand that Blair has really hurt him but not enough so that he will turn Starr against Blair. I will forever miss RH's Todd Manning.
carringtongrace 73 & this is why I had a hard time with TSJ's time as Todd. Granted I know it was the writers but here he says he'll always forgive her & as a baby he promised her no matter what she did, he wouldn't make her feel worthless but after RH left & they had Starr get pregnant, that seemed to be forgotten.
Leslie - I only watched OLTL sporadically once RH left so I can't really have an informed opinion on TSJ although what I did see of him didn't impress me. He seemed very stoic where as Roger is incredibly expressive. One day I may muster up the courage to watch more of TSJ's Todd, I kind of feel bad for him. He had huge shoes to fill, it wasn't his fault that RH chose to leave, he maybe would have been a better fit for another character on the show but not Todd. Roger was Todd to me. I think that people who were around for RH's Todd believe that to be true but for the ones who only know TSJ's Todd, they can't imagine RH being him. Strange how that works.
+Leslie IKR? I will never forget the scene where TSJ (the Pod Todd) tracked down a pregnant Starr and Cole to some off-season seaside resort, and Todd pushed Starr so that she fell down the stairs, w/o even stopping in his hot pursuit of Cole. Anyone with insight knew that the real Todd could never have done that--never. Given the tender and protective way RH Todd felt about his little girl? Not a chance. I noticed someone else made the same observation in a way earlier comment, and I was glad to see that other viewers thought the same way. The writers REALLY dropped the ball in that whole badly thought-out, Pod Todd storyline. I never bothered to write them fan mail or nasty-grams, but I hear that some viewers did, so it might've been a good idea, IF they cared how the viewers felt.
+carringtongrace, you are so genteel, saying TSJ seemed stoic. "Way shallower" (than RH) comes to my mind. I'm not saying TSJ couldn't act at all, but he seemed decidedly uncomfortable when his role departed from the safe bounds of a macho, action-figure character and dropped him into an emotional scene where he had to expose his vulnerable side. This is why I'm not convinced that TSJ had the dimension needed to (credibly) portray the painful and complex process of redemption. Where RH could play ANY aspect of Todd's character convincingly. In fact, there was a time when RH himself doubted that such a redemption could ever happen in the real world, but he had to mature and evolve enough to believe that, and in turn, make us believe--with every tortured step of his journey past his self-condemnation, toward confronting his personal demons and to a gradually acquired acceptance of what he could not change about his past. There *was* some profoundly insightful writing in that show at times!
fancifulfilly - Your take on TSJ is really interesting. I have to admit that I didn't really watch OLTL after Roger left the show, just caught it here and there so I feel like I can't make an informed opinion on him. Maybe they should have left him as Walker, he had really big shoes to fill. I kind of feel bad for him as it wasn't his fault that Roger decided to leave the show. I did hear that Todd pushed Starr down the stairs though. I may have to try to find that scene. You are totally right, Roger's Todd adored his Starr and I can't see him every being cruel to her. Roger can totally let himself feel and his Todd was not afraid to expose his vulnerable side. He only did that to a handful of people but he did. I so loved Roger in this role. Great to talk to another Roger/Todd fan!
Starr was hilarious. Kristin was amazing playing her. The chemistry between her, Todd and Blair, was equal to Lucky, Luke, and Laura.
Loved her relationship with Asa.
Was a great little actress
4:35 Todd hung his head like "I've been defended and man she's smart" I love RH and KA together their the best!!!
todd and starr are one of my favorite relationships in all of soaps.
i wonder if kristen alderson ever watches the old episodes when she was little
i love their relationship here...i just dont see rh's todd throwing starr down the stairs
x0bradleyx0 smell my feet
RealToddwouldn't have pushed Starr not even by accident(plus Starr would not have been pregnant RH was still Todd and the writers stuck to the real story of Todd) I have watched several TSJ's online the writers ruined the entire story of RH's/Todd/Blair/Starr/Jack /Jessica and even Vicki's relationships... so sad really
@@joyjohnston236 I like the OG Todd better too, but you can't put Starr getting pregnant on TSJ.
Loved Starr. And when she showed up to play KIKi on General Hospital she was awesome
Love it!
the other Todd didn't mean to throw her down stairs ok this the.other one had a great timeline almost being excutuated and it was amazing
TSJ was never Todd
Miss Starr and Asa's relationship.
Those 2 were very cute together! And after Starr was born , Asa even started treating Blair decently.
this is todd
OMG, he actually said that?! The hell? Todd Manning attracted to his daughters? Wha...I....Can't....It's.....NO!
Trevor St John said it
Wait TSJ said that about his daughter or Todd said that about Starr?
Defeated
Whaaaaa?
@soapfan
Trevor St John gave an interview a year ago talking about how Todd could be attracted to his daughters and he sometimes played scenes like that.
Yuck.
He obviously had no understanding of the character. He played him so coldly with no empathy. In my opinion he was totally unlike the original Todd. Attracted to his own daughters? There was no reason for him to put that interpretation on it. That was contrary to everything Todd had shown as a father. In fact Todd's shock and revulsion and hearing about Vicki being abused by her own father should have been a clue on how to play that.
I don't know why they ever bothered recasting Todd. Howarth and his character can't be replaced. Along with the writing TSJ was horrible as Todd.
I loved Todd no matter who was playing him. Trevor did the best with what he was given. He's an actor, he had no control over what the writers did. And at least he was committed to portraying Todd no matter what, and that's one thing he had over Roger. Maybe if RH cared more about the fans to stick around, then Todd's fate wouldn't have been twisting in the wind and a recast wouldnt have been necessary.
RH left the show because the FV and RC the new writers after Ms. Nixon retired... He was very unhappy about the direction they were taking Todd's story... matter of fact so was I and many other OLTL fans back then... The history of Todd under the new writers was pretty much forgotten it was really unfair to RH and to his fans!
Well it turn out that the other Todd was her uncle Victor Todd twin brother
I agree I prefer OG Todd, but TSJ deserves his flowers too he helped keep the story going forward. Fans can be so harsh, we accepted him when before RH came back so he doesn't deserve the hate.
Yeesh she needed braces in the WORST way!
She's a little kid! They don't put braces on until later on. You really don't need to make a crack like that on a kid