Fixing LEGO's McLaren MP4/4 mistake: The tire upgrade test

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  • Опубліковано 27 лис 2024

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  • @RacingBrick
    @RacingBrick  8 місяців тому +20

    I found a 3d model made by someone else that you can try, this is not my model so I don't know how the outcome will look like - www.printables.com/model/801870-realistic-tyres-for-lego-10330-mclaren-senna-formu

  • @BaconSeer
    @BaconSeer 9 місяців тому +947

    That simple change makes it look so much better wow
    Why LEGO didn’t make wider rear tires themselves in the first place is beyond me

    • @johnnytifosi
      @johnnytifosi 9 місяців тому +59

      Because fanboys will buy it anyway.

    • @TheGalantHamburger
      @TheGalantHamburger 9 місяців тому +51

      Two lots of new wheels, two lots of new tyres, twice as much expense on design, prototypes and production costs. Wouldn’t have been worth if for them to do it.

    • @tren133
      @tren133 9 місяців тому +24

      @@johnnytifosi One of the main reasons I'll be getting the CaDA Alfa Romeo F1 car is that unlike Lego F1 sets, the Alfa has wider rear tires, and also Pirelli printed right on tire as a cherry on top. Makes even the slick tires on the upcoming Mercedes F1 car look like crap in comparison.

    • @DoorTechnicianRick
      @DoorTechnicianRick 9 місяців тому +28

      "OnLy tHe BesT iS gOoD eNoUgH"

    • @craig855s
      @craig855s 9 місяців тому +16

      @@TheGalantHamburger whilst what you say makes some sense... The Ferrari SP3 daytona has staggered rims and tyres, and theyre completely bespoke parts for that set.

  • @stevenwhoward87
    @stevenwhoward87 9 місяців тому +273

    It's one thing to say it doesn't work, but this, visually, proves it. Those larger tires look so much better and make a huge visual difference! Thanks for making this video to show your point.

  • @Michal_Ciok
    @Michal_Ciok 9 місяців тому +216

    Now it looks like real one. Good job.
    Start massive production. 😎

  • @JarnoPeschier
    @JarnoPeschier 9 місяців тому +68

    You are spot on in you criticism and this change. Well done. 👍🏻

  • @alexc2713
    @alexc2713 9 місяців тому +77

    As the biggest tire company, they decided not no make another wider tire for this set…lol

  • @ThuNder12805
    @ThuNder12805 9 місяців тому +83

    oh mah god that is sooooo much better, i wish i could get the set with that because it is quite literally as perfect as it gets.
    Sadly its not possible so im getting the off road buggy since its cheap and has more functions but this set is definitely "iconic".

    • @NoahgotLEGO
      @NoahgotLEGO 9 місяців тому +2

      The set just released so you can still save up for it! Will be out for 2 years probably.

    • @ThuNder12805
      @ThuNder12805 9 місяців тому

      maybe...Do these sets become available on bricklink after getting retired? ​@@NoahgotLEGO

  • @JonathanWeeks-v1q
    @JonathanWeeks-v1q 8 місяців тому +6

    There’s a piece on the Lego website which really goes to town about how accurate they tried to make the car - includes statements like “But like those McLaren engineers responsible for the 1988 original, Ann was determined to capture every tiny detail of this revolutionary design.” and “So how did she go about turning a life-sized car into a perfect miniature replica?” They might have captured a lot of the ‘“tiny” details but perhaps they should have focused more on the big stuff like the rear wheels.

  • @CrazyChemistPL
    @CrazyChemistPL 9 місяців тому +52

    The issue with the rear tires is this - if they went to the trouble of designing two wheel sizes for this set, that would allow them to easily made more famous F1 car from the 1970-2000s era within the same product line. Seems to me like a win-win solution, they introduce two new fairly universal wheels within one set and said set gets to be much more accurate.

    • @BusaNZ1340
      @BusaNZ1340 9 місяців тому +5

      Could have been used for other classic race cars as well, like Le Mans sports prototypes or Can-Am cars.

    • @CrazyChemistPL
      @CrazyChemistPL 9 місяців тому +3

      @@BusaNZ1340 I could totally see a Ford GT40 in the Icons line done like that.

    • @MrKlawUK
      @MrKlawUK 9 місяців тому +1

      Next year when they do a Ferrari and introduce wide rear tyres we’ll all buy extras to retrofit this model :)

    • @LorenzoC1980
      @LorenzoC1980 9 місяців тому

      Totally agree

    • @McLuvinUK
      @McLuvinUK 9 місяців тому

      We could’ve had the iconic Red 5 Williams of Mansell to go alongside this McLaren 😢

  • @originalbluemonkey
    @originalbluemonkey 9 місяців тому +45

    The wider rear tires definitely look better than all 4 being the same size.

  • @flavioriva1285
    @flavioriva1285 9 місяців тому +23

    Awesome result! With these new rear tyres the car looks perfect! Well done!

  • @adrianhjordan1981
    @adrianhjordan1981 9 місяців тому +19

    They look SOOOOHHHH much better!!
    I hope someone makes an aftermarket set of these, perhaps even going so far as to make front and rear and include Goodyear printing lol

    • @mDaro
      @mDaro 8 місяців тому +4

      I'd buy a set right now if there was a pre-order to fund it.

    • @gez13foto
      @gez13foto 8 місяців тому

      Same

  • @Ayden767
    @Ayden767 9 місяців тому +23

    The tires that you have put on there definitely look a lot better. Might be some modification to be done in the back to make it fit, but this is a good prototype version for now. Thanks for another great review, can’t wait to see your next reviews for the March wave!

  • @proudbrickfoot7483
    @proudbrickfoot7483 9 місяців тому +13

    I felt the same way when I first saw the similar sized tires. I prefer the wider, truer to scale one you modified. Thanks for sharing!

  • @wings9925
    @wings9925 9 місяців тому +7

    I've been considering buying 2 more of the rear tyre parts; then cutting all of them down using a band saw and heat-welding 2 of them together, to make a wider unit

  • @BiggyPR
    @BiggyPR 9 місяців тому +7

    The new rear tyres look fantastic and how I wish Lego had made them in the first place.
    Thanks for showing us what could be done.👍👏

  • @RyanPerrella
    @RyanPerrella 9 місяців тому +9

    The lego model has the correct 6 spoke black wheel pattern that the MP4-4 used, thats pretty cool.

  • @RacingBrick
    @RacingBrick  9 місяців тому +6

    Check out the local prices and availability in the LEGO Online Shop - racingbrick.com/product/10330-2/

  • @BuilderBasti
    @BuilderBasti 9 місяців тому +643

    Now fix the biggest mistake: The PRICE

    • @av_oid
      @av_oid 9 місяців тому +50

      No, that’s all the stickers.

    • @rc-fannl7364
      @rc-fannl7364 9 місяців тому +97

      @@av_oid How about combining this into "There shouldn't have been stickers for this price. Not for a display model

    • @LeMn680
      @LeMn680 9 місяців тому +12

      For this price, they should’ve made it all stickers

    • @av_oid
      @av_oid 9 місяців тому +38

      @@LeMn680 building a model F1 car out of stickers layer by layer sounds like a “fun” challenge.

    • @adrianhjordan1981
      @adrianhjordan1981 9 місяців тому +57

      A licenced set (to McLaren, Senna Estate and Formula1 don't forget) and new parts. I think the price is about right.

  • @rbletitgo4948
    @rbletitgo4948 9 місяців тому +2

    Great work. It is the wild to see the writing on the wall of a company to see such cuts in quality and price compared of a metal die cast for the same price

  • @Marc-qp4br
    @Marc-qp4br 9 місяців тому +1

    Wow when you see the 2 pictures side by side the mod is amazing!!

  • @nigelhunt228
    @nigelhunt228 9 місяців тому +4

    Much better with the correct tyre sizing, great job

  • @thomaswalker9277
    @thomaswalker9277 9 місяців тому +10

    Your modified version looks 100x better. Would love to get those files.

  • @TastierBackInThe80s
    @TastierBackInThe80s 9 місяців тому +2

    No, not letting Lego off the hook for this. Its a VERY icon vehicle and is recognizable by even the most casual of race fan. Also its Lego. Were not talking about some knock off/Off brand company, they can afford to develop a part so the build ends up looking the best it can be. If they're going to take the time and effort to put something like the Mp 4/4 together, do it properly. Down to the last brick. Thanks for sharing.

  • @mdm9
    @mdm9 8 місяців тому

    I didn't think it looked too bad in original form until I saw how much BETTER it looked with the modified tyres! Nice job

  • @tibortatrai2318
    @tibortatrai2318 9 місяців тому +5

    Lego is really getting lazy.Past couple of years their car models are nowhere near as good as used to be,except some of the Technic sets.Agree on the stickers,over £100 all sets should be fully printed.

  • @COGintheMachine
    @COGintheMachine 9 місяців тому

    I fully agree with you on rear tires. And now I agree even more. Because with wider ones bolide looks just magnitudes better!

  • @paulmanta
    @paulmanta 9 місяців тому +2

    Much better, when someone does tyres as a kit to upgrade Ill be buying them !

  • @thomasrodriguez7803
    @thomasrodriguez7803 9 місяців тому

    Way better look.
    As always, your builds and opinions are greatly appreciated.

  • @MrConstanzo
    @MrConstanzo 9 місяців тому +2

    It will be great to have an upgrade set with floor , wheels and tires according with your findings . Good job!

  • @jrosa69
    @jrosa69 8 місяців тому +1

    Much better with your changes! Lego should adopt it

  • @michaeljamieson3582
    @michaeljamieson3582 Місяць тому +1

    Definitely the rear tyre width was the biggest let down.

  • @FrancescoFrangioja
    @FrancescoFrangioja 9 місяців тому +11

    In F1 car, expecially when/if the car is a legend itself, the rear wheels MUST be larger than the front wheels. Period. Quite opposite well done LEGO. I placed my (pre)order on day one because it is the Mp4/4 and because well, because is one of the Senna's car and "she" one of the best F1 cars in history with an incredible number of victories.
    It's really a shame that for such an iconic and legendary car model they didn't put that little extra effort into creating two different sets of tires for the front and rear.
    Enthusiasts have been asking for slick tires for so long that seeing them produced in one size only is truly disheartening.
    Unfortunately, even for the new 2024 Mercedes Technic 1:8 the slick tires will be the same front and rear...

  • @FaithlessEmoRacing
    @FaithlessEmoRacing 9 місяців тому +1

    IMO this takes the set from a nice to have to a MUST have! great work!

  • @GuntanksInSpace
    @GuntanksInSpace 9 місяців тому +1

    The Wider rear wheels + the rear floor change does a lot to make it more closer to the actual look of the MP4/4.

  • @marcosousaesteves
    @marcosousaesteves 9 місяців тому +1

    Big big difference! Great job.

  • @RCTanksTrucks247
    @RCTanksTrucks247 9 місяців тому

    Great work brother! Looks so much better

  • @Goldbart99
    @Goldbart99 9 місяців тому +4

    I hope this video gives your idea more traction.

  • @wings9925
    @wings9925 9 місяців тому

    Thank heavens! Thank you. I've been pondering upgrades for the set

  • @robertscott1112
    @robertscott1112 9 місяців тому +6

    Rest in peace, Ayrton Senna

  • @dominiccappelletti1412
    @dominiccappelletti1412 9 місяців тому

    I love the new rear tires, makes the set look much better!

  • @WizardOfOss
    @WizardOfOss 9 місяців тому

    Yep, that looks a lot better! I have already pre-ordered the set (mostly just to get the Classic Space GWP), but when I get it I will certainly look for some better rear tires. And hopefully for some better printed part for the nose, with the Marlboro-chevron....
    It's a shame that a company like Lego, while claiming "Only the best is good enough" and ever increasing their already pretty high prices, keeps cutting corners. I kinda wish Cobi would have made this set, as it would have been so much better...

  • @pinkertonpunk
    @pinkertonpunk 8 місяців тому

    I noticed the tire width issue right when I unboxed mine. If you ever start producing these I would buy them in a second! That fixes the look 100%.

  • @_Pikalika_
    @_Pikalika_ 9 місяців тому +1

    I thought having two wheels at the back would be an easy fix, but after seeing the comparison I can understand how its really not

  • @jimcurt99
    @jimcurt99 9 місяців тому +1

    I just want the Minifig- the car is just gravy. Looks like a fun build which is why I do Lego. Final result is pretty good (FAR from perfect- but don't care). If can can get wider rear tires someday I will- if not, no big deal.

    • @jackmurray7093
      @jackmurray7093 9 місяців тому

      I thought i was the only one who read all of the comments and thought wow all these adults were so upset over building blocks. Since when did Lego claim they made IDENTICAL scale model replicas to these cars? Taking shit too serious 😂

  • @Legomad81
    @Legomad81 9 місяців тому

    The modification looks way better. Thanks for doing the video

  • @kurtnowak8895
    @kurtnowak8895 5 місяців тому

    Thank you. I didn’t notice this on my Lego MP4. Now I can’t unsee it. 😂

  • @khronokraze
    @khronokraze 9 місяців тому

    Looks much better with the wider rear tires. Hope someone makes more of them to upgrade and improve this LEGO set.

  • @agepbiz
    @agepbiz 9 місяців тому

    The wider tire looks so much better!

  • @DevanSabaratnam
    @DevanSabaratnam 9 місяців тому

    Such a tiny thing, but it changes the look of this model from a kids toy to an authentic replica. Well done on putting in the effort to do this - Certainly if I ever bought this kit, I would be looking for aftermarket rear tyres just so it looked as beautiful as the MP4/4 does.

  • @gieselats
    @gieselats 9 місяців тому

    Awesome job. The fans are doing the best work. I like your new tires. Really authentic. Keep up the good work. 😊

  • @ismaelmetero4121
    @ismaelmetero4121 9 місяців тому

    Well done. I really enjoyed your description of the lego decision making process!

  • @robrath31
    @robrath31 9 місяців тому

    Great video, didn't even realise these were same part until just now (only ordered kit online!). I agree 100% that rear tyres should be wider, it's iconic of the formula 1 cars of that area. I hope someone can search up an item even from another toy or model set of any kind so people can have quick and easy replacement/upgrade.

  • @brnd5294
    @brnd5294 9 місяців тому

    It looks so much better. I’ve already preordered but I wish it looked like this.

  • @controllerpleb6568
    @controllerpleb6568 9 місяців тому

    At the start of the video I didn't think it would make that big of a difference. I knew how big the difference entire width was but I still thought it looked fine. But once you showed off the improved rear tires, I was sold. It's clear how big the difference is.

  • @andreaswehrmann365
    @andreaswehrmann365 9 місяців тому +1

    Please don't call this a mistake. Lego didn't put out this set with the wrong rear tires by accident. They just don't care if the fans of Senna will be disappointed. Lego saved some penny in production and some hardcore lego fans will buy no matter what... That's what lego cares about

  • @arghjayem
    @arghjayem 9 місяців тому +2

    02:07 I agree. It would be one thing if the matching tyres front and rear were an existing mould, but to design a brand new tyre and wheel combo but only do the front size and not the back just seems lazy and half assed. I mean they went to the trouble of the two exclusive printed parts for the logo piece, but they couldn’t do that for the wheels and tyres? Come on Lego, especially at this kind of price! It’s not like they’d never use the mould again- plenty of F1 cars they could do in later sets!

  • @RestauranteDragónHambriento
    @RestauranteDragónHambriento 9 місяців тому

    I completely agree with you! You did it justice!

  • @hystrixlignum8983
    @hystrixlignum8983 9 місяців тому

    The upgrade makes the model looks so much better.

  • @ThomasStalder
    @ThomasStalder 9 місяців тому

    I fully agree with you! It looks so better with wider rims!

  • @trev3971
    @trev3971 9 місяців тому

    Soooooo much better. I still think the nose yells "MP4/8," but the big tires really help.

  • @blakebylsma3865
    @blakebylsma3865 9 місяців тому

    Love it, great mod, I would also make a decal to fix the shape of the front monocoque to add but more red, but the wheel is perfect with your design… hopefully they get made and sold

  • @hitfan
    @hitfan 9 місяців тому +1

    I can't wait to buy them online! It looks soo much better! ❤️

  • @coffeeinhandproductions3238
    @coffeeinhandproductions3238 9 місяців тому +1

    Nice bit of research, and the tires are definitely an improvement. Too bad the inaccuracy of the tires extends to all of the other themed F1 cars. Really unfortunate given how much work/design/authenticity is already put into the Technic/Speed Champion themed vehicles.

  • @victorvieira7469
    @victorvieira7469 9 місяців тому

    Looks 100x better with your mod, I hope someone starts selling this as a kit

  • @FreakoRico999
    @FreakoRico999 9 місяців тому

    Looks waaayy better now..
    In my opinion, only the print on the front nose part (next to the front windshield) should be running into a triangle, and i think this set is done 👌

  • @Mic_03
    @Mic_03 9 місяців тому +1

    congratulations on the modification, it is actually much more faithful to the original and with perhaps better quality plastic wheels it would be perfect! However, I don't mind even with the same size wheels, but in the end we are talking about Lego so if it can be improved then it can be done!

  • @funlovingvoyeur
    @funlovingvoyeur 9 місяців тому

    I like how the set is original, because I know you have to make compromises when making something out of LEGO. But the wider tires make it way more better looking.

  • @vivekaaraga
    @vivekaaraga 9 місяців тому +1

    Lego should have made the rear tyres wider. Your efforts have worked out well! Cheers

  • @JedPB67
    @JedPB67 9 місяців тому

    It looks considerably better with the modification added. Hopefully someone does a tyre and wheel mod coupled with a Marlboro sticker or printed kit, it will make the car look so much better.

  • @jadr3123
    @jadr3123 9 місяців тому +9

    Lego needs to hire you NOW

    • @essa6315
      @essa6315 9 місяців тому

      They did

  • @hmx619
    @hmx619 8 місяців тому +1

    My only thing is…..I want the Marlboro logos on it!

  • @johnwright5845
    @johnwright5845 9 місяців тому

    100%, you nailed it. My other complaint with this set is that the green and blue stripes on Senna's helmet are not in the correct locations.

  • @zonoskar
    @zonoskar 9 місяців тому

    I’m with you. Looks way better with the wider wheels. I cannot believe someone at Lego or the licence partner signed off on that design.

  • @liberatumplox625
    @liberatumplox625 7 місяців тому +1

    Makes me think that maybe you could brick build the entire hub and wheel assembly instead.
    It's just a matter of whether or not, there are parts that would reproduce the approximate diameter of the hub and tyre, at that scale.

  • @MikeFoto_na_Moto
    @MikeFoto_na_Moto 9 місяців тому

    Wide rear wheels looks spot on!

  • @zoltrix7779
    @zoltrix7779 2 місяці тому

    I instaly saw this and had a problem with it. Good job. The stand wheels make me think of a Penske CART car from 1990 in Oval trim.

  • @veschyoleg
    @veschyoleg 8 місяців тому

    I think it was Nico who did videos on scale modeling. It doesn’t have to be exactly to scale, what matters is the impression. Those fat rear tires look great!

  • @cmartin_ok
    @cmartin_ok 9 місяців тому

    Such an improvement and really highlights the strange appearance of the standard Lego version

  • @sheckyvision
    @sheckyvision 9 місяців тому

    Excellent and balanced review. Easy fix for anyone with access to a printer. There will probably be a file on thingy-verse in a few weeks. LEGO obviously had to avoid the full Marlboro ciggie box paint job for multiple reasons.

  • @leonardo_chiste
    @leonardo_chiste 9 місяців тому

    When I saw it I felt something was wrong but didn't exactly know what. Now I finally know

  • @MajatekYT
    @MajatekYT 9 місяців тому

    LEGO's attempts at F1 cars have always bugged me because they always go with rear tyres that are way too skinny. This is a good proof of concept!

  • @MrKlawUK
    @MrKlawUK 9 місяців тому +1

    It’s dumb because Lego could easily have amortised the mold cost across maybe three F1 sets. Eg they have the Ferrari license, do a Ferrari and maybe a Williams from that era with the same tyres. Run it in parallel with icons releases as they’re relatively affordable

  • @jonasfermefors
    @jonasfermefors 9 місяців тому +1

    Aww. If I had room for a 3D printer I would have just found a reason to buy one. I still think the front (the whitish print on red) need improving, but it's getting close.

  • @IJsbeer74
    @IJsbeer74 9 місяців тому

    I thought wider tyres would be better, but seeing them on the model, I feel they really SHOULD be.
    And, as mentioned, it would be perfect for many other models.
    I am sure it shouldn't be too expensive to produce, since the only tight tolerance on the part is for the axle hole.

  • @pablorodriguez2829
    @pablorodriguez2829 9 місяців тому

    I really love the set as it is, but I can't deny that seeing it with wider wheels makes me like it a whole lot more. I'll be looking to make a similar modification once I get the set :)

  • @marlonfraai4622
    @marlonfraai4622 9 місяців тому

    I think Senna would have disagreed with F3 looks of his car. Good job! Please consider making the mods available.

  • @cgbnke9792
    @cgbnke9792 9 місяців тому

    I agree with you, though Lego is awesome the wheels should have been to spec… but it was cheaper to use the same mold for all 4 tires. good job!!!

  • @ajdalziel89
    @ajdalziel89 9 місяців тому

    It doesn't bother me to the point I won't be buying it, but now I've seen yours with the improved wheels I can't unsee it! 😳

  • @spaulagain
    @spaulagain 9 місяців тому +2

    It's simple LEGO, make 2 proper sizes for F1 cars of this scale, and produce a ton of F1 cars. I guarantee they will sell.

  • @sidvicious1
    @sidvicious1 9 місяців тому +1

    The wheel size is not a small detail that can be overlooked! I really hope Lego can fix this and issue new wheels this is not negotiable.

  • @edmundobertholdi1092
    @edmundobertholdi1092 9 місяців тому

    It is much better now! I agree 100%!

  • @HorcikDesigns
    @HorcikDesigns 9 місяців тому

    Firstly, great work on the 3D printed part! The tire maybe could have been exported in higher resolution - I see facets on the walls, but as you mentioned- it was just a fast mockup. The car definitely looks much better with them.
    However, I am sure you know the real reason why they made just one new design for the wheel. Very simple - Price tag. Making second part would mean making second mold, which would increase price of this set - which was probably determined by the saales management long before the set started to get it!s bricks. Why they did not go with two new tires and old wheel knows the license team. I know, there are most probably many other reasons behind this, and my point of view is also very simplified.
    Balazs, you are the best LEGO reviewer these days on the whole internet with opinions I can agree with, so not mentioning this what is most probably the real reason, and just complaining "why they did not make it", feels out of the place.
    Looking forward to see the next F1 reviews ASAP!

  • @mitsuyagi
    @mitsuyagi 9 місяців тому +1

    Amazing work, looks better with wider tires

  • @stualoo
    @stualoo 9 місяців тому

    I will probably order this, even with the awful rear wheels! Hope you decide to release the 3D printed wheel files as it sure looks a lot better with them!

  • @ConnerFoxx
    @ConnerFoxx 9 місяців тому

    That looked gorgeous, the whole set is instantly considerably more accurate looking, and appealing on another level. In a weird way, Lego releasing some of the most accurate looking F1 models to date has exacerbated my issues with the inaccurate wheels. The design is so well proportioned otherwise, the tiny rear tyres push it into a weird uncanny valley. I'd be jumping to buy this set instead, if it looked like your example. It just has more "wow factor" as a faithful recreation of the car. And once Lego has a nice set of "Formula 1 wheels" in their catalog, they can make gorgeous F1 cars (and hotrods, dragsters, indycars, whatever) in that scale forever. You'd probably get a lot of fans buying sets like this JUST for the wheels, for gorgeous MOC potential. Instead we have the opposite scenario, with some people passing on the set over one issue.
    People may ask me to "appreciate" the new slicks, but the sad reality is, those wheels arent enough to turn me into a buyer. They ought to get the wheels right, or just make generally stylized models. "A bit stylized on purpose" can look generally cool, but a "largely accurate model with tiny rear wheels" inevitably looks underwhelming to many fans... why go that route? I just don't understand why Lego has chosen this direction, even if it is "cheaper".

  • @majikkskates9084
    @majikkskates9084 9 місяців тому

    I honestly was able to look past it until this video. It’s so so much better with the right tires. I wish really wish you’d sell us the file. I want to have this mod done for when the set is delivered to me

  • @Poulusma
    @Poulusma 9 місяців тому

    The wider tires make it look so much more authentic! Good job 😊 When will Lego follow?

  • @TOESOFFICIAL1
    @TOESOFFICIAL1 9 місяців тому +3

    very cool man! i love your vids - when will you do the new speed champions videos

    • @RacingBrick
      @RacingBrick  9 місяців тому +4

      Working on them right now

  • @speedybrick
    @speedybrick 9 місяців тому

    Nice, hopefully someone makes these wider tyres commercially available I’ll buy them