Troubled Teenager Walks into California Desert and Disappears | Karlie Gusé Case Analysis
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- Опубліковано 8 сер 2023
- This video answers the question: Can I analyze the disappearance of Karlie Gusé?
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As a veteran stoner, I would just like to say: It's not for kids and influences the way your brain develops. Go to school and give yourself an appropriate amount of time to mature before experimenting with mind-altering substances. Your future is infinitely more important than "looking cool" or temporary dopamine hits.
It's arguable that 99% of people shouldn't be doing these drugs, at least in the manner most people do currently. "Trip sitters" or professionals is necessary. Mushrooms, lsd, etc are far too volatile to take willy nilly. After 9 grams of shrooms, I wasn't myself and had an awful disassociative trip. Barely spoke to others for the next 6 months. Dangerous stuff, I'm lucky I was never admitted
@@1stdebunkerJust curious, why would that behavior entail being admitted?
Yes!!! Thank you. Also I really feel like there needs to be a bit more warning about taking it slow. I’ve seen (and had a few) many panic attacks and had one friend have a near psychological break. Weed is strong now.
@@1stdebunker oh no! What strain did you eat? Thats terrible. Sounds like amazonians or hondurans
@@1stdebunkeryeah dude you took nine grams…. You could have taken a third of that and still tripped hard
I don't think I ever seen a place so distinctly suburban but also in the middle of nowhere.
i used to live in Bishop. When I was 12 years old, my best friend (13) and I went to chalfaunt valley ...about 13 miles from bishop. to meet boys. we didnt have a ride home back to bishop and were too afraid to call our parents. so we had the bright idea to walk down highway 6 in the summer. (not smart). tons of semis drove past us on the highway. we were just little girls. any one of those truckers couldve stopped and taken us. thankgod my parents were out looking for us and we saw them speeding towards us down the highway. thankgod they found us.
what im saying is.
if she left that town and was on that highway-- she couldve easily been picked up and taken.
i think about her all the time and pray she is safe and alive and will be found. this is so tragic.
The unknowns of a disappearance with no closure must take a toll on the family over time.. Thanks for the analysis as always!
you think? or would they just be super cool about their own daughter vanishing
@@benhartart9487 I think what they were showing was compassion!!! WTF is wrong with you!!
@@benhartart9487no but there's a big difference between knowing what happened and being able to grieve is different than never knowing what happened and no closure
@@benhartart9487aa
@@AMM3.thank you captain obvious
if i had a kid who came home displaying signs of drug-induced paranoia or detachment from reality, i would also probably think that they just need to sleep it off and i'll have a serious talk with him/her in the morning. i would NOT think to jump right to the "go to the hospital" option.... the stepmom seems very kind & sincere (saw the episode on PEOPLE MAGAZINE INVESTIGATES) and her tears were authentic. blaming her is completely unfair, there was no way to predict something like this... ideally, they would have stayed up with her all night to make sure she doesn't bolt. but hindsight is 20/20....
Unfortunately that is not the cause with drug induced paranoia. Sometimes even the users themselves call 911 because they think they are going to die.
I’d be upset at my child; but knowing first hand out that anxiety dread, urgent care would be it
@@Bonita.Vampira_ Just imagine though, telling a person experiencing drug-induced psychosis that you're taking them to the hospital... or that these people who you called from 911 are here to help you. When they're in that state of paranoia and distrust (even sometimes of their own friends and family- she asked her mom if she was going to kill her for example) it is going to be chaos before it gets better. I can certainly imagine this going through the mother's head and hoping that it's just a bad reaction, and will wear off by morning.
If the parents had any experience with weed, even through friends in high school or college, they surely would know that it makes some people paranoid, and maybe that's what she assumed. Not everyone is aware of drug induced psychosis. And even with that, if she hadn't disappeared, I'm sure she would've gotten her help if she saw the symptoms hadn't abated after a day or two. No one expects someone to randomly run off & disappear. So I don't feel she is to blame in any way.
When there's no closure on the outcome of a case, people will especially look for someone to blame so they themselves can feel better knowing what could've been done to prevent something bad from happening. But sometimes bad things just happen.
I do hope they find her, what she went through must've been terrifying.
I agree
I saw the episode, too, and you're absolutely right. And remember, the mom stayed up with the girl all night, talking, until mom fell asleep for a short time, woke up, and the girl was gone. You can't predict these things. They thought she was coming down from a high. The girl admitted it to the parents. Sad.
When I was 13 me and a friend took like 30 pills of zoloft and were talking to a plastic fan saying it was a demon named Bob. None of our parents were concerned or did anything until we finally admitted what we took lol. It's funny then but being a mom myself now i would have my kid so fast at the er
Devils lettuce is another name for marijuana. At least I’ve heard it called that before. Possibly she was showing early signs of schizophrenia?
or ...drug induced schizophrenia. I have seen it in teens at the RTC I worked at. Anything from ecstasy to K2 added or ingested and or mixed with something pharma... Sad
That's what l was thinking
It's very sad that she disappeared just like that. I think that she was likely developing some sort of psychiatric problem such as schizophrenia.
8:15 pm... I was thinking the same as you. Not an expert in any way here but from what I understand is it usually manifests in early to middle 20’s but will at times start coming out in teen years. The MJ would have definitely intensified any early schizophrenic tendencies.
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Also there's the Devil's Dandruff, cocaine and such.
I’m sure her parents deeply regret not doing things differently. They probably thought that some food, water, sleep and time was what their daughter needed for her “bad high” to wear off.
They did. When the mother contacted her friends, a couple of them said she was acting a little odd, but nothing crazy. The parents were asking why nobody said anything to them before she went missing, because she seemed OK at home. They said if they knew, they would have helped her. They thought she was coming down from a high, and doing better. Sad.
I could never sleep knowing my child doesnt feel well, and I dont even have one!!!
@@nutcase1 Yeah, but sometimes you just get exhausted. I don't think I'd be able to sleep, either, tbh.
@@nutcase1it’s always people who don’t even have kids that say they would never do this or that.
@@mcdonna840 this is barely an argument 😂
I had a bad reaction to weed edibles years ago. I was pacing around my apartment and incoherent. Never to the point where any danger was a concern but it was still a frightening experience. Luckily I had friends stay with me the entire time and make sure I was okay. I’m so grateful they helped me through it. It also taught me that weed wasn’t really for me.
Probably that K2 stuff
🙋🏼♀️ same here!! I have tried marijuana in various forms, and each time I tried it, I was a complete mental basket Case. Paranoid, feeling like I was having panic attacks, and scared to talk to people because I thought that I sounded dumb so I shouldn't talk rather go outside pacing around like an idiot. It definitely does not chill me out the way it does some other people.. so, I just stay away from it LOL
It's easy to overdose on edibles as the hit reaches its peak 4 hours after ingestion. Vaping or smoking is best imo.
Weed is bad and evil, for anyone and for everyone, not unjust for you.
@@njiomonansichristianfreder6374lol yeah so terrible 😆
I work in the ER and almost daily people come in for psychosis symptoms. It should be treated as an emergency.
Genuine question - Did u notice an increase in psychosis related situations? Over the last couple of years?
I think if everyone brought their psychotic relative to the hospital (ER) at the first sight of symptoms.. ..the health system would definitely be overwhelmed... unless the person is sucidal or homicidal is it really an emergency?
Surely there must be room for patients to he seen as outpatients
@@mbhonimongwe3994 there's a severe shortage of mental health care professionals. you'll get a quick once over, a bottle of pills, and an appt 3 -5 mths later.
@@mbhonimongwe3994 true
I agree with your analysis Dr.Grande! Horrible case 😢 "A teachable moment is only productive when the person who is doing something wrong survives long enough to learn from it" ...
I agree whole heartedly- I posted the quote on my fb and credited dr
Suddenly I’m fascinated with this idea of a little square community plop in the middle of a desert.
I actually live here and can explain how this happened. White mountain estates is a small plot which is available for development and is about a 10 minute drive to the larger community of Bishop California. Los Angeles department of water and power has bought out nearly every single inch of the Owens valley to take the water rights from individuals and strip all water from the region to send it to Los Angeles in hundreds of miles of pipelines. Because LADWP owns all the land.. there’s small communities like this built on any remaining land. There’s nearly no land available to build on even though Inyo county is the size of the state of Connecticut… yet there’s only enough land for under 20k people to live here… because Los Angeles has taken over everything for their needs.
@@Lololeelee yes! Bishop is close but is only around 4K in population. We are along the 395 which would take you to the eastern entrances to Yosemite.. maybe you went that way?! Karlie was walking towards Hwy 6 which is mostly semi trucks.. it also goes all the way to Massachusetts so a traveler could have picked her up and taken her anywhere. It’s nice that the population is kept small here but it’s sad how dry and desolate the Owens valley is because all the water is taken for an out of control metropolis growth. It used to be an oasis where Paiute Indians flourished then farmers and ranchers… now it’s just brown, dusty and dead. 😔 wish LA would just desalinate ocean water and stop stealing an entire regions water.
@@Jennifermcintyre I used to live in CA and had some nice drives and vacation time up around Lone Pine and Mt Whitney and Death Valley -- I think once I stopped to do laundry in Bishop. The area has its merits for sure.
@@Big_Tex it was a good place to live during the Covid mess!! Socially isolating was really easy with so much space with not many people. A lot of people came up here from LA to get away from being in lockdown but they were the most disrespectful people throwing trash and toilet paper all over! I used to live in San Diego for a long time and came up here for recreational use.. it’s an interesting area for sure!
I'm glad I'm not alone in this thinking too. Seems so strange to want to live there.
I don't think the parents are to blame for not calling assistance. In 99,9% of cases where kids have a bad trip, nothing happens. Melissa stayed with her until 3 a.m. and Karlie was apparently getting better. I don't believe she could have known what would happen. Hindsight is 20/20.
By the way she was acting I would have thought that she had been given something else other than weed, and not knowing what else she could have had I would have taken her to a hospital.
@@miriamllamas224right im like is melissa a nurse?? Bc all the stuff karlie was doing was more then enough to be contacting medical professionals
I wonder if some of the kids had something like acid or shrooms and didn't tell the police about it.
That's what I was thinking. It sounds like she was drugged with shrooms. I've seen adverse reactions to weed but it does not last that long. Weed also does not cause dilated pupils. Poor girl. :(
Actually weed can cause psychosis,wanted to try for my severe chronic pain but my psychiatrist explain to me not to cause i have depression already
I thought that too. Also Devil's Lettuce is just another name for marijuana so it's weird Dr G didn't know that. He made out she was delirious for saying it.
I've used both Shrooms and Marijuana. I've never had a bad reaction from mushrooms, but I have from Marijuana. It makes me extremely paranoid and I've experienced debilitating anxiety that includes rapid heart rate and trouble breathing. Even years ago when it wasn't as strong as it is today. Today's Marijuana would cause me to have a psychotic break, for sure.
@@saddletramp5000 Same here. I've had some truly terrifying experiences from cannabis. Even really small doses like 5mg. Once I hallucinated my cat, whom I'd put away in the other room with the door shut (I didn't want to be around her when I was too high). The paranoia and delusions are the worst though! Much worse than hallucinating a cute kitty lol.
The desert is not the right place to go wandering around. Tragic.
Boooo. It’s beautiful and alluring. Explore but be safe about it.
@@Timbo6669he’s talking about a teenager. There’s absolutely nothing beautiful about a young , vulnerable young lady wandering around a vast and beautiful desert under the influence. Your comment is so close minded.
Very tragic.
@@gabrielamartiniuc6322 No, you just like to add details that weren’t originally in discussion so that you can write something. Regardless of how relevant it is.
To say I’m close minded? You don’t know me but now *I* have a better sense; of you.
Unless you want to end up in a shallow grave 😢
“Devil’s lettuce” is a pretty well known idiom for marijuana. It’s not some weird random thing to say in a psychosis. Honestly it just sounds like she’s very sensitive to marijuana and lives in an area where there’s literally nothing else to do for fun but get high and wander around. Sad story but that’s pretty real for many young folks these days.
Movies or youtube could safely be substituted for drugs to alleviate boredom.
@@catea2551no
That’s not an excuse, get the fuck outta here with that
Nothing else to do for fun? Are you serious?
If the parents chalked up the behavior to a bad reaction to pot, then they probably expected it to wear off. They might not have wanted Karli and her friends to get in trouble for the drugs and that’s why they didn’t do anything. It sounds to me like she and her stepmother must’ve had a very good relationship, as Karli was comfortable calling her, confessing she lied and asked to be picked up. Not many kids would do that, regardless of how many times their parents had told them they could.
Very sad tale, but perhaps a positive that can be gained from it is the knowledge that it's never silly to request medical help if someone is showing signs/symptoms of a psychotic episode.
Always. And if you get into a bit of trouble because of it (if you’re underage, or it’s not legal where you are), then that little trouble is MUCH less than the potential BIG trouble- like this. Imagine how awful her parents must feel for not calling an ambulance. (NB- I understand why they didn’t, in the same situation, I’m not sure what I’d do). Heart wrenching.
@@karenneill9109 oddly, even if weed was illegal in her state, she wouldn't have criminal repercussions. Theirs laws about trafficking and possessing. Being high often isn't a criminal charge.
The parents thought she was acting that way from pot, as they never saw her like this before. The mother stayed up with her all night. The mother said she had been doing better, thinking the pot had worn off, or whatever it was laced with. Mom fell asleep for a very short time, ( still in the girl's bed) and the girl left. The People Magazine doc on this was great. Lots of more info. Including the recording. Only after she went missing, did a some of her friends tell the parents she had been acting a little 'off.' The parents were asking why, why didn't somebody tell them that, they would have helped her. It was sad.
@LDiamondz yes, very sad indeed. And in case you misunderstood me - I was in no way critising the parents.
@@jigjagb9270 No, I didn't think you were criticizing the parents at all. I just wanted to add a little info they had in the documentary, that wasn't in Dr.Grande's video. He can't fit everything in here. That would be one long video! 👍
If it was my child, I'd call 911, tbh.
The few times ive had weed i was extreamly paranoid. Once i left the train i was traveling on to go home and shave my face to look presentable. I ended up slicing my face all over with my razor. Other times i was laughing with friends until i thought they were laughing at me. I was the only one with these reactions. Since then, ive known at least 3 people i grew up with that have had induced psychosis as a result of smoking weed. I think it's a reality that's not talked about often. Mainly because weed has so many advocates...
Same. I just don't react well to it. I become extremely paranoid.
There's a really good book by Alex Berenson. It's very enlightening on the unpleasant side of THC the media doesn't usually cover.
The thing is if you had alot of failure or mishaps or unlucks in your life, if you arent satisfied with it and have things that you regret and are not happy with, marijuana will make you paranoid and stressed, only your failures will come to your mind, and you will feel like a loser etc etc.
@hardver8855 OK professor
@skycloud4802 thanks for the info on the book. It's definitely kept on the hush. I know more people affected long term from weed than snorting coke. Not that either is good. Just my experience
It does not sound like her stepmom had anything to do with causing her disappearance. Hindsight is 20/20 and of course now we can say she should have called 911 but in that moment of spending the night talking to her, she didn't think anything of this magnitude would happen. I hope she is found safe very soon. Weed has different effects for different people. Not everyone responds the same way.
Definitely agree about the hindsight thing. I think the decision not to take Carly to the hospital was a bad one, but I also don’t think it’s that unusual of one. I can see a lot of parents putting it off because they think they know why she’s behaving this way and they believe it will wear off and she’ll be fine. I would be thinking that I was glad my child called me and was honest with me, and I’d be trying to maintain that trust. I can see myself trying to rationalize and tell myself she’ll be fine soon enough. If the step mom WAS sleeping in the room, it was probably to try to make sure that Carly WAS safe.
It was the wrong decision not to take her clearly, but I don’t see it as super unusual, indicative of any mal intent, or excessively negligent.
Another example with less severe consequences from my own life: When I was six, I was at the babysitter’s house, and I was playing with their small dog (a schnauzer). I kept trying to get the dog to take this toy, but the dog didn’t want the toy, and it finally bit me on the finger. I had a wound there about half an inch long (still have the scar). My babysitter washed the wound, stopped the bleeding, and put ice on my finger. Not sure if she called my mom bc this was before cell phones. She probably didn’t. However when my mom came home, the bleeding had stopped, and I’m pretty sure I wasn’t super upset anymore (don’t remember). Anyway, my mom took me home and put me to bed. No big deal.
Well, it was a big deal because the next morning, I had a major fever and couldn’t move my head or neck. Of course at the point my mom panicked and took me to the ER. She actually thought I had meningitis. Turns out I had a MAJOR infection from the dog bite and was hospitalized for three days. The ER doctor thoroughly chewed my mom out and told her that she should have brought me in right away. Okay. Apparently she should have. But I don’t think it was that odd. She probably looked at it, saw that it was small and no longer bleeding. She thought: my daughter seems fine. This is a dog we know, it has had its shots. This is a minor injury that will heal on its own. 🤷🏼♀️
I think Carly’s parents thought she was having a temporary reaction to a substance and that it would wear off. Like my mom, they never thought what would happen next. It’s tragic, but these are decent parents who made a bad choice.
I agree. Her parents believed she was acting that way because of the pot. The mother spent the night with her in her room, talking, to keep an eye on her. Clearly the parents love her very much. They were going to deal with the situation in the morning, as the girl seemed a bit better. The mom fell asleep in the girl's room, woke up an hour or so later, and she was gone. Nobody could have predicted that. I think they would have gotten her help, if she hadn't left. The People Magazine episode on her was good, with a lot more info than in here.
@bethanyestes5126 Neither your mom nor Carly's made a bad decision. It's very easy to judge a mother's decision after we know that things took a turn for the worst. Imagine if all parents of kids with a small wound that was tended to or who appear to be high were to bring them to the ER. Hospitals would be clogged!
I did bring my kid to the ER the first time he got high. I was not familiar with this situation, so I was alarmed. But I can totally understand that you would think that sleeping it off is all that's needed. Similarly, I cut myself and had a deep gash, but didn't want to go to the ER, even though everyone was concerned. I healed fine.
Stop judging mothers. And yes, I say mothers, because society tends to come down harder on moms. It has always been that way since the days of Freud.
Maybe her parents didnt have any experience with weed and just kinda went with the stereotype which would lead them to believe that any and all odd, delusional or strange behavior and dilated pupils was consistent with marijuana intoxication. It is my opinion however that she was very clearly under the influence of something other than just weed as her behavior was inconsistent with its well understood and documented effects. I get the feeling she was dosed without her knowledge by someone with bad intentions who may or may not have had something to do with her disappearance
Blaming the parents is baloney. It is so hard for parents these days with the elements of peer pressure, social media, drugs, alcohol and so on. It's tough. Young people are forced to grow up way too early. Sad story here.
She said she ate the devil's lettuce. Devil's lettuce is pot. I don't put any blame on the parents. They thought it was just the pot, and she seemed better after awhile. It's so sad.
@@RepresentWVThe mother stayed up with the girl all night, in the girl's bedroom with her. At some point, the mom fell asleep for about an hour. She woke up and the girl was gone. They handled it right. There's a whole documentary about this case, with so much more information.
the kid acted psychotic what don't you get?
@@RepresentWV dr Grande is not a doctor,,psychologist or a psychiatrist
He has a phd in counselling therefore the dr
He makes mistakes -Even psychiatrists cannot speak about some topics without actually being with the persons for several weeks actually in order to have a complete view and write down their opinion/essay
So i just watching him for entertainment purposes only u are tight to disagree,not even doctors in mental health area can say something about someone just of the Google searches.
It's quite healthy and ethical to write ur opinion
I am bilingual so i hope i make sense
You are so right . Blaming the parents isn't always the answer . But it's awful convenient. So very sad .
“A teachable moment is only productive when the person doing something wrong survives long enough to learn from it.” Perfectly stated.
It's crazy how every year people go into the desert and die while in other parts of the world some people live their whole lives in the desert
Paul jacked af
The people who live in the desert don’t go walking around unprepared with no supplies or water.
I live in the town where this happened... Bishop CA. There’s been absolutely no sign of her since the day she left her house. There’s been rumors about what happened but I doubt they’ll ever figure out what really happened.
@@Lololeelee yeah there were some in the beginning. Since then it’s been really nothing. Mono county police/sheriff aren’t known for their investigation prowess.. I’ve seen them hide many crimes because it’s bad for their tourism industry… Mammoth Mountain ski resort is their cash cow and I’ve seen murders hidden away from any publicly.
Didn't some people claim she was in a neighboring town?
I think the fam had no clue, unlike her friends, that she had been showing signs of mental illness prior (just "problems at school") so she didn't call 911 thinking the behaviour was because the weed was laced and that whatever it was would wear off soon. Only once police interviewed friends and the pieces of the puzzle were all presented would everyone realize she was having a mental break and had a diagnosable issue, not just a passing reaction to something, and by then it was too late.
I agree with You
Sometimes substances can trigger a mental health episode
@@annazaman9657 True, people can have an undiagnosed predisposition to schizophrenia and those people probably shouldn't use mind altering substances altogether. Problem is, how would you know about such a predisposition if it's not known to run in the family, which is usually does.
BINGO! That's exactly how it went, according to the parents in the documentary AND her friends and the police.
@@LDiamondz name of the documentary?
I didn’t hear much about the Dad stepping in here.
Some people get paranoid and should not smoke weed. I'm sure her step mom thought her psychosis would pass and didn't want to involve medical care or any possible police reports. Very sad. Definitely she was vulnerable and a bad actor could easily take control.
It was other drugs too
If the cops had shown up, most likely outcome is that they would have shot her so either way she would be dead.
I smoked my fair share between the ages 14-23 and would get very paranoid but it stayed within reality. Believing inanimate objects are going to kill you definitely is not a normal reaction based on reality.
You're right, that's exactly what they thought. I just watched the documentary from People Magazine. They love her very much, and said she seemed fine before that night. I think I would have done the same thing. Not after seeing this I wouldn't, now!
Yeah, I can't really totally blame the parents here. They likely also didn't want their daughter to get into any unnecessary trouble and perhaps the recording of Karlie while she was out of it was to serve as more of a warning for the future than a shaming tool. I don't know though, it's all speculation from any side.
Not sure how people could believe the parents were involved when witnesses saw Karlie walking alone.
I asked you about a year ago if you could do this video and you liked my comment! I’m so glad you finally are covering this. Thank you !!!
This is so unfortunate. Nobody should die afraid, and having a bad trip or frightening psychotic episode as part of one's final experience must be nightmarish. I also can't help but think that, had she been a man, this young woman might have survived, just might have been found disoriented and wandering instead of likely being taken. But no matter how it ended or how it ends, this is truly a sad story.
Nightmarish is the perfect descriptor.
It's unlikely a random pervert appeared in that desolate area at that time. It's much more likely that she died of exposure or died of dehydration. A similar situation has happened with men and sometimes they find their bones, sometimes not. I live near a desert, those places aren't somewhere you should be wandering unprepared with no water.
I had a psychotic episode as a prescription medication side effect, scared the peedoink out of me. Gave me sympathy for those who can’t make it stop just by discontinuing a med.
@@moomyung9231 I'd have thought she wandered into the wilderness as well- were she not spotted at the highway. If she were walking along the highway, someone would have stopped for her. But you may be right. There are a lot of people who simply get lost; it's one of my own greatest fears.
@@erinthesystem9608 She was paranoid and likely avoided people or the highway.
Why no mention of the dad getting her help? The step mum gets the blame and isn't even her parent.
He was too drunk to drive and help the step mom with Karlie. I live where it happened and the father had been drinking all that night.
Wow. This poor girl was born into quite the chaotic situation. Birth parents divorce when she is only 3 years old, and the birth mom apparently relinquishes custody... Then the girl's dad marries a new woman who then gives birth to more children now making the original family less of a priority ... The dad has totally checked out while the step mom is trying to take the reins. No wonder this girl needs to get out of her head with drugs & pot smoke. And so it begins. Whatta mess. 🤯
Frankly, I wish these parents could trade places with the girl 😞 ...
@@Jennifermcintyre He could still call an ambulance.
@@2Bad4YOUuuthis would be a pretty “ normal “ situation where I come from . The step mother shows no sign that she did not give priority to this girl . She got her a job where she worked , drove her places and was involved with her life . When she was unwell she stayed up talking to her . She did not realize how unwell this girl was but she cannot be blamed for this . I felt this girl was pretty well cared for by father and step mother certainly no sign of abuse
I have a friend smoked pot at a party when she was a teenager and she wound up, having to be institutionalized for 6 months afterwards.
Thanks Dr Grande! Could you please analyse the case of missing Jamie Fraley?
PS - "Meeting" Mrs. Grande seriously made my day, congrats to you both :)
Where did you see Mrs Grande?
@@dammar117 he posted a shorts video a few days ago for their anniversary
Marijuana can trigger psychosis. I saw it happen to a friend of mine in real time.
What happened?
Can only happen if you eat it?
A friend of mine as well. Ended up in hospital. Really sad. Off it now, and recovering thankfully.
@@LonelyHearts.Co24 No, all mind altering substances can trigger it, if someone has a predisposition. It doesn't necessarily happen, but it can.
It didn’t happen overnight, it happened in a matter of 3-4 years. He completely changed and had a mental breakdown. It spiraled down hill quick after that and till this day his not the same person. He would smoke it and I heard its something that you already carry in you but for some reason the marijuana affected it and triggered his psychosis. Very sad because he was a super kind and smart individual.
For me, this comes down to mental health awareness. This young lady was exhibiting signs that no one picked up on until she was gone. Very unfortunate.
I always wonder how these missing/lost/dead people would have turned out if things hadn’t gone south. Any one of us has been, at one time or another, vulnerable and dependent on the kindness of complete strangers. Luckily for most, they’ve been helped rather than harmed. Sad story.
Sometimes we put ourselves in dangerous situations
At the very least, keep an eye on her. Don't leave her alone in that state.
I’m glad that you covered this case. It’s definitely a cautionary tale. Sometimes situations are more than parents can handle. Clearly, these adults needed outside help. Great job as usual
Excellent as always.
I respectfully disagree. They should have sought medical help. She’s a minor they could have taken her to a hospital to get medically evaluated and stayed with her the whole time.
@@flingonber Actually he said it occurred in California. I don't know what the laws are on involuntary commitment in CA, but my first thought in this situation was bad drugs, and thus that she might be in physical danger from whatever she took (or whatever someone gave her without her consent), so personally, I can't imagine not taking her to the ER.
I’m not exactly sure why they didn’t take her to the ER. Perhaps they were worried about what you described. They obviously didn’t foresee this outcome. In my opinion, They still should have taken her to the hospital. Once there, they can advocate to stay in a hospital room with her while she was evaluated and monitored. I understand that there was a risk that she would be involuntarily committed but they should have risked that rather than her physical safety. In my opinion.
@@elizabethhamm5320 I don't know how it works in California, but in my experience as a 'troubled teen', as long as I agreed to get inpatient psychiatric treatment when the doctor at the ER suggested it, I was not involuntarily committed and therefore have none of the consequences of that over ten years later. (Such as losing the right to use and own guns)
If she was taken to a hospital she would still be here. Sad
Just wanted to say that I used to watch your videos all the time and then UA-cam suddenly stopped recommending them... Finally today it popped up. Very strange
Terribly sad situation... I pray that she is still alive but I don't think that is likely. Thanks for the content as always, doc
This reminds me of the story of the two teenagers (boyfriend and girlfriend) who disappeared after going to a party and given a drug, crystal meth I think. It was in the Midwest if I remember and winter time. They called 911 many times claiming to be lost and on their way home and not knowing where they were. They left their running vehicle with heat and wondered out into the woods and froze to death. Don’t do drugs! These days, you just know what your getting. Very sad and I hope they get some closer. Great analysis Dr. Grande.
On a lighter note - Happy Anniversary to you & Mrs. Grande ...also Happy Birthday to Mrs. Grande. I've been married 48 years and as you said it's not an easy road sometimes but the rewards are great!
The instant that I saw the map of the intersecting road, I thought she got picked up.
I hope police can solve this case.
That’s such a sad story. It makes me think that we, as society, still have a long way to understand mental illness. There were many red flags in this case that perhaps, if spotted earlier, could have made a difference.
Great analysis, Dr. Grande.❤
Our society as it is manifests mental illness. Powers that be do nothing to rectify it.
This society also greatly overlooks drug use, and mainstream's it even when it is fatal to 1/3 of the population!
Whatever it was, it messed with her system. This is such a sad case, my God.
I smoked something awful at a high school party. I was out of my *mind.* First & last time that ever happened. I called my father who picked me up, sat me at the kitchen table, & I doodled & wrote on paper, "value judgements are illusions." I thought I'd come up with the secret to the universe. 😂 Then tried smoking pot a couple times after that. Bad reactions each time, incl. not being able to walk up a simple flight of stairs. I can't even chew edibles.
It's completely understandable to feel a sense of wonder, curiosity, and even a bit of melancholy when contemplating the vast mysteries of life, the universe, and the human mind. The complexities of existence can indeed be awe-inspiring and humbling.
As humans, we have a natural drive to seek knowledge and understand the world around us. While we may never have all the answers to these profound questions, the pursuit of knowledge and the exploration of these mysteries is what drives science, philosophy, and human progress.
Finding solace in wonder and embracing the unknown can be a powerful and enriching experience. It encourages us to appreciate the beauty of existence, the marvels of nature, and the capacity of the human mind to imagine and create.
Remember that as individuals, we can contribute to the collective understanding and exploration of these mysteries in our own ways. By staying curious, asking questions, and continuing to learn, we can contribute to the ongoing journey of human discovery.
Take care, and stay safe on your own unique journey of wonder and exploration.
@@LonelyHearts.Co24 well, yeah, I majored in philosophy in college, the infamous "Do you want fries with that" major. While I'm not sorry, exactly, I wish I'd *also* done a double major in something immediately practical, but I didn't have the brain for it, really.
Psychotic breaks related to cannabis use seems to be trending more. Thank you for spreading awareness. In my opinion, the vast majority think it’s effects are harmless and usually someone with stronger reactions are joked about since the assumption is no one can overdose. Thank you again!
Our bodies are laden with the receptors of the substances that cause these reactions.
Persistence in education has to be the primary source in our fight!
NO STREET DRUGS ARE GOOD!
One can overdose. Esp if the anxiety results in cardiac arrest.
Expect more of this whilst the relaxing of laws, the lax and cavalier attitude of cannabis continues to ravish soviety. Mental illness will continue to get worse.
@@skycloud4802 Gonna check out the book you mentioned in another comment, thanks!
Can’t physically overdose on marijuana you would have to smoke like 100 pounds of weed at once but I will say that weed is very strong now especially concentrates so if you’re not used to it it can be very strong. For example I took a dab and then 30 seconds later, the walls look like they were breathing now imagine if you were not prepared for that imagine how scared you would be I could see myself running out of the house freaking out.
Seems there is more to this story. Moving to an isolated odd place as a teenager, moving away from your mother, accepting a stepmother , working with her, and possibly other factors have affected this situation.
Only a few minutes in and it’s obvious to me that Carly was tripping her face off. Someone laced her drink or she had a tab knowingly and only admitted to marijuana.
Exactly or someone slipped her a tab :(
Or schizophrenia
Have you smoked todays weed with a low tolerance? I have. I quit for 10 years and smoked a year or so after my state legalized it (so a year or so ago). It was borderline psychedelic. I was panicking at first. Gave me bad anxiety. It didn’t last as long as a mushroom trip or acid trip, but it was intense for the first hour or so. Shits way stronger than what I used to smoke back in the day.
No marijuana can absolutely cause this my sister and I have the same reaction in marijuana it's bad news dr. Michael Savage's been warning against it for years
I've seen someone have an adverse reading to spice like this. Messed the person up so badly, they are now on permanent disability now. Some people s chemical makeup cant handle drugs, especially smoking something foreign. Very sad
Her behaviour is far beyond weed edibles. Maybe mushrooms or LSD. But changing seats saying the car is killing you? Sounds like a psychotic episode to this non expert.
Maybe someone added something to the pot. Or spiked her drink. 💔 Someone spiked a joint with angel dust and didn't tell anyone. They very nearly got their butt kicked. Even the next day they were pissed off. It's a dangerous and stupid move.
I thought the same. Someone may have spiked her drink or a joint. Nobody is going to admit to that.
That’s the first thing I thought of, she ingested either a dissociative or psychedelic and had an adverse reaction. Then again marijuana can be psychedelic if you have 0 tolerance…I tripped harder my first time smoking than taking shrooms
@@WilliamSussman she had a history of using, I doubt she had 0 tolerance
@@WilliamSussman Every BODY has a different tolerance.
The 1960's was my childhood. I saw a lot. Once, 3 people did micodot.
One was curled up in the fetal position holding a pillow on the sofa. One was completely paranoid, saying no one liked him and were against him. I found the 3rd guy sitting on a step playing his harmonica, blissfully happy.
Dangerous stuff all the way around.
@@earthling8585 definitely everyone metabolizes substances differently, depending on their P-450 cytochrome pathways, among other factors. That's why meds like Coedine don't work for me, but may for you. It's all individual.
I grew up about halfway between Bishop and Tonopah and the desert would be a frightening place to become lost. I used to go hiking with my dad in the desert and mountains. He taught me how to drive his old standard pickup just in case anything happened to him I could get myself home. I was a Gen X kid and had the opportunity to come to many bad ends running around out there. Fortunately, I'm still alive but it could easily have gone poorly and the addition of drugs and mental health issues would have been catastrophic.
Agreed I couldn't get over how there is nothing but desert all around their neighborhood.
I would have called for help, it was literally the first thing I thought when you described how she was when being picked up. I would have just taken her to a hospital.
People are scared the cops will be called though. Penalties for drug use can be harsh in the USA, especially in some States.
A lot of people have bad reactions to weed especially Sativa. I hated it so much,I felt like I was trapped in my own head until it wore off.
Some people say they should have taken her to the ER but know that there isn't anything the ER could have done to help other than monitor her until it wore off and most people don't have thousands of dollars to spend on an overnight hospital stay.
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Karlies state and behaviour don't fit cannabis consumption at all. You don't get dilated pupils from cannabis. That's something that happens with psychedelics like LSD or MDMA.
Either she took then willingly and didn't remember/wanted to tell or someone else drugged her.
One can be paranoid because of cannabis but how she behaved in the car doesn't fit that either.
Also the sleeplesness and wanting to write things down and disappearing are not typical for cannabis but very typical for psychedelic drug consumption.
I agree sounds like and LSD trip maybe combined with marijuana use that started the psychosis
Agreed. I’d be curious to know if they tested the two guys immediately to see what was in their systems or if they just took their word for it that it was only cannabis. It sounds to me, a former drug user (many many moons ago), that she got hold of a psychedelic of some sort.
I've personally seen it in somebody that used cannabis, he had schizophrenia. It's more of a wide eyed 'manic' look though.
@@skycloud4802 Dilated pupils and a wide eyed "manic" look arent the same thing.
@@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis4346 I used it to describe two different states, and it looked just like two states. Huge pupils, huge bulbous whites around the eyes. That's what I was describing.
Her parents will NEVER recover from the guilt..I wish everyone could learn from this.
The likelihood she just happened to encounter a murderer out in that forsaken place seems a big stretch. More likely she turned in a different direction, walked back into the desert, became disoriented and lost and succumbed to heat and thirst. Maybe somehow, someone, will find her remains years from now.
Can’t marijuana cause psychosis for those who have schizophrenia? (I’m not talking about the connection being made that it causes schizophrenia, though I’ve seen some studies about it.)
It absolutely can and does do.
And for those who have bipolar disorder.
Definitely sounds like the pot was spiked with something.
Seems unlikely given it didn't negatively affect anyone else.
The devil's lettuce? Isn't that just another name for weed? I've heard this before, many times. Also, the devil's dandruff. Mike knows all this! ❤
Unfortunate…sad to think some creep picked her up in such a vulnerable state of mind man.
This is so sad. As a mother of two daughters I’m devastated for this young lady and her family 😢
Medical care was crucial; sad story.
Just curious why this small, apparently fairly wealthy neighbourhood exists out in the middle of nowhere? Are there lots of these kinds of places in America?
It's not a fairly wealthy neighborhood. It's just typical ranch style houses. Developers do put these in places where there is zoning compatible with development sufficient to make a profit. They pay less for the required acreage than if closer to a city, where building is more strictly regulated. It's probably within driving distance to a larger city (Riverside, San Bernardino). It's a long commute, but the price is more affordable than in a city and suburb.
There’s only a few spots of land that Los Angeles hasn’t bought up the water rights from and turned into desert. They built a pipeline that dried up whole lakes and turned the place into a death valley.
Again this should be illegal there are better ways…….@@azulgaia7782
I’m 60. I began having panic attacks when smoking weed but didn’t know why or what they were. I just knew they sucked. It got so ugly that I quit and quit the friends that influenced me.
I can’t believe kids are still trying drugs after all we know!
Same thing happened to me and decades later, my daughter. A few of my son's have tried it without panic attacks. Just seems random. I certainly won't ever try it again! Smoked like crazy as a teenager though.
Dr. Grande - I watched ID's episode on Karlie, so I really appreciated your analysis. You're so right... Melissa should have simply called 911 so Karlie could have received professional help. 👍💜🌵
I’ve never stopped thinking of this case since it happened. Baffles me they haven’t figured out what happened yet.
Rayped, unlifed and dumped in a remote grave never to be found. The desert is easy to hide bodies.
@@TheGuruStuddid you do it? You sound pretty sure of yourself
@@Unkn0wn1133 that guys profile gives me the heebeejeebies
This easily could have been me. Marijuana makes me hallucinate and very paranoid. Smoking, edibles, you name it - it all has the same effect. The only reason I have tried it several times and in many ways is because everyone always says “there is no way that was just weed” or “it’s all about your mindset before consuming/smoking” etc. Absolutely awful every single time.
The problem with this case is that Melissa Guse gave multiple stories and there's video evidence of her saying Karlie walked north instead of south like the police thought. I don't think Karlie just wandered into the desert at all, since she had no history of mental illness, and her father has been arrested for domestic abuse. I've studied this case since 2019, it's horrendous, whatever happened to her, but I don't think Karlie willingingly left at all.
maybe they either the dad or steph mum told her off because of her drug use😢
She was having a psychedelic experience, but a bad trip.
I'm thinking she played with a lot stronger drugs than weed 🎉
Right? It'd make sense that the kids would admit to weed and not talk about anything else that may have been there.
@@TheMattTrakker exactly..
That sounded like one huge bad trip.
That neighborhood looks crazy to begin with.....
Cannot tell what you are trying to say.
Like a moon colony
Is it possible that she died from exposure? Maybe she wandered off far enough that she couldn't find help and couldn't seek shelter? So heartbreaking.
That's highly possible and seems common these days. In that area of desert with not much cover you would think she would have been found by now. Although there was a recent case regarding a missing man in Joshua Tree with a similar landscape and he was missing for years until recently found by hikers just outside the original search area they determined by which he could have traveled.
I know this from my own experience with my brother who was a high achiever? All of his life, got excellent grades in high school, went to college and wrote for the Onion newspaper when there was only four guys in Madison, Wisconsin, but when my brother started using marijuana, typical college behaviors he became paranoid schizophrenic. Schizophrenic. Which was always there but the drugs made it come out, and this is very common. It got progressively worse.. I believe that's what happened in this situation. Generally paranoids schizophrenia doesn't straight girls until the later 20 is early 30s, but it's very possible that it would come in the late teens.
Damn, I've seen your comments before. Your brother must have been amazing prior to the illness.
I don't get why her parents didn't take her to the hospital...seeing her in a bad situation that night
Some families don't see a mental health crisis even when it's standing right in front of them. We need more mental health education.
@@edelweiss2.076 If parents took their teenager to the hospital every time they came home high, they'd be over flowing. It's quite likely her parents didn't realize how bad the situation was.
There are millions of American parents who would not get professional help. What they would do is pray and ask Jesus to remove the evil spirit from her. If that had happened, many of the mothers critics would have nothing to say.They would think that is an actual good response.
People walk around believing in magic but criticize others lack of response. I think the mother thought she was stoned out her mind and would come down. Just like if your teenager got drunk and was puking and crapping theirself. You might not rush them to a hospital. You might let them learn a hard lesson. Not realizing they could die from alcohol posing.
sounds like what was going around a few years ago that they called bath salts. they even sold it at gas stations. it was an analog of mdma and causes nightmarish hallucinations.
That neighborhood out in the middle of the desert is wild.
Can you please analyze the case of Bill and Dorothy Wacker? It was featured on unsolved mysteries. Thank you
The Wacker’s story is insane!
Would love to hear Dr Grande’s take.
@amandanegrete1306 totally agree!
I have been keeping up with this ever since it happened I saw the Dr. Phil episode and I was just recently reading about it again it’s so spooky what happened to her I am really not sure what happened to her
Same here. I go back and forth on what I believe happened.
I live in Bishop CA where this happened. There’s some odd details about the family that I’ve heard about from their neighbors.
OK-What did the neighbors say?@@Jennifermcintyre
@@Jennifermcintyre Are they more than rumors? Because rumors always run rampant in small communities after something terrible happens. I know, since I grew up in a small village myself.
@@hanfred I used to work with one of their next door neighbors and she’s a very credible source who has seen some very odd things happen between the parents.. the father was arrested for beating Mellisa the stepmother and there’s a mugshot from his domestic abuse arrest but I obviously can’t link the photo on here. That was a year or two after the disappearance. The father was also a go to for heavy drugs years ago according to someone I know who used to buy drugs from him. I can tell you some stories that aren’t from the rumor mill.. there’s many including the things he’s done while extremely drunk.. i also have an odd perspective because I was the FedEx driver for the Guse family and Don Arrowood who’s the father of Karlies boyfriend Donald jr. So you see things that not everyone would. The prevalent rumor that’s been circulating is that something happened to Karlie and mellisa took her in her car then put her in one of hundreds of mine shafts in the area… but that’s only a rumor. Mellisa’s white Sudan had a car door hyper extended backwards which buckled the front body panel and it had happened at the same time as the disappearance.
This is not uncommon, it has happened through out history. The desert has some psychological and spiritual lure. Musicians, artists, clergy, and even the young and old venture into the desert to find themselves or get lost. The proverbial forty days and night.
The fact that Karlie felt comfortable calling her mother for a ride after lying to her, and also the fact that her mother stayed up into the wee hours of the morning show that her mother deeply cares about her. This is heartbreaking. Dr. Grande alerts us to that drug induced psychosis need hospitalization and is good for public awareness. I can think of several reasons why Karlie's mother may have not taken her. Karlie was calming down and they may not have had good insurance. In small towns, talk spreads fast so taking Karlie to the hospital could have resulted in embarrassing Karlie. We took a family member to the hospital in a state of psychosis from marijuana. Because the family member had calmed down we were treated as if we were paranoid to have brought her in. The family member didn't wish to go either. Yes, DO take your family member in but hospitals aren'y perfect either.
😢 Yes it was a preventable death, if only …. Let’s normalize treatment for mental health, in cases such as this, psychosis won’t go away on its own. Truly heartbreaking
There was no death. The girl is missing.
@@LDiamondz That is correct, my mistake, thank you for pointing it to out.
@@PerlaOC 😉
So sad. It's possible she was already developing schizophrenia and the THC from the marijuana use blew the lid off. This is how some folks join the ranks of the homeless. She might still be out there somewhere, if someone picked her up they could have just as easily dropped her off in a city or another state. If she's mentally unwell and still being given drugs, she may be so confused that she doesn't know who she is or how to get home. I hope Karlie will be found unharmed.
Cannabis induced psychosis is far more common than most want to believe. For some with a genetic predisposition to psychosis, heavy use can play a role in developing a permanent psychotic disorder.
Your closing statement on teachable moments and the responsibility of care for someone in a vulnerable state made me misty-eyed at my desk. Though I know its unlikely she survived, I hope she is found. Excellent work in your analysis as always.
Thank you Dr Grande!
My comment will help the algorithm. Thanks for your hard work, Dr. Grande. You are always entertaining.
Thanks for the upload, Dr. Grande!
Thanks, as always, Dr. Grande!
Parents should’ve taken her to the ER instead of allowing her to sleep it off. If someone admits to taken a substance and they’re exhibiting bizarre behavior they need to be evaluated since you have no way of knowing for sure what they took. A lot of the drugs out here are laced with toxins. Get them to the ER.
This is common sense for everyone but wasn’t for her own parents. Despicable
It sounds like her parents were very caring and did everything they should have, short of taking her to hospital, but things went tragically wrong. This young girl had ongoing mental health and behavioural issues, so they may have seen this as just another incident. So very sad - I think she was picked up and murdered.
Thank you again Dr. Grande 🙏
Excellent perspective in your final thoughts. As always.
Good morning DR Grande from Australia 🇦🇺💕
Pot is 70% stronger than in the 70's when I first smoked dope and it made me paranoid. It's never worked well for me. A teenager like this doesn't have a fully developed brain. She could have smoked too much dope for her system to cope with. She could have gone into a THC psychosis. It's rare but it happens. Perhaps her particular brain chemistry is predisposed to instability and mental illness (late teens is a common time for the onset of schitzophrenia) and the THC triggered it.
Heartbreaking story. Another great analysis! Thank you!
Amen, Dr. Grande! Great analysis and excellent points. 👏👏👏
The Devils lettuce is weed. Not actually lettuce. There's no demonic salad.
I'm amazed at the number of people who don't know this when it comes to this case.
Haven’t heard about this case, thanks for covering it Dr. G!
They were on Dr. Phil a long time ago I watch that if you if you go on UA-cam you can probably find the episode where the family was on UA-cam and the mom was like accusing the step mom was like knowing where she was probably or not I’m not telling her all the information when it first happened they went on Dr. Phil
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This is sad and very unfortunate. I think your assessment is spot on Dr. Grande!
Important, valuable video. Thanks.