In this video, I show you how you can use a USB device over a network, just as though it was plugged into your host locally.
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If you want to know what is going on in the packet capture, assign port 3420 to USBIP dissector. Then you'll see the actual URBs instead of just TCP packets.
Mate! Why didn't I think of that? I just set the decode of tcp port 3240 to USBIP... I didn't realise it had that, but of course it would because I've used Wireshark in the past to snoop proper usb when reverse engineering a Wi-Spy. I didn't even think of this. Cheers.
I recently went down the USB over IP rabbit hole. I need the client to be Windows. Tried a bunch of software solutions, but always had issues. I ended up getting a hardware solution - a Silex DS-510. Works perfectly, very happy with it :)
Thanks. I had already resigned to the idea that no such device existed and I'd have to find a way to pull another dedicated ethernet cable someday (i.e. when I finally move my gaming PC from being in the next room to being in the basement). However, seeing the price of the Silex, I'm not sure if being too lazy to move the PC isn't the better option after all... ;)
There is a commercial, albeit really inexpensive, solution that has worked well for me. As far as I can tell, it makes use of some of the same kernel modules that this video documents. But it then implements the server in user-space and implements its own wire protocol. And as opposed to the basic kernel modules, it also adds support for Windows and MacOS, and it conveniently provides a user-friendly GUI app. You can even get an Android app that allows you to plug your USB device into your phone and then make it accessible over the network. And if you want to access your USB devices across the internet, it provides discoverability and encryption. Do you have to buy a commercial solution, when you might as well use the built-in tools that come with your Linux system? No, not at all. But since it's a small one-time payment, I found it a useful addition to my set of tools that I usually keep around. And honestly, the free feature-restricted mode that it has is frequently good enough for one-off experiments. Search for Virtual Here, if you are interested. N.B. I have never used this product with bandwidth-intensive USB devices such as cameras or mass storage. I have no idea how well that would work. A wimpy little Android phone or a tiny SBC is likely not powerful enough to encapsulate all that data in IP packets. So, try the demo version before shelling out money to make sure your use-case is supported. But for the particular needs that I have, it's an awesome little tool.
Have had to emulate physical ports for the better part of 20 years -- Sometimes I found hardware solutions (most recently from Digi International) work pretty well! You can run hardware on one end and virtual on the other depending on needs. Some of their latest products have like 20 USB host hubs which is of course overkill for 99% of applications :-) For anyone looking for Windows solutions (saw one in the comments) there is a third party app or two. "USB over Network" I found is the most stable and reliable.
Thank you. I've been wanting to be able to do that with a DVB-S2 dongle for a while now. You are the first person who I've found who has posted such a clear guide!
Haha, you know somebody will probably try that. As I say that though, I guess it would actually be okay if the USB NIC is only running low bandwidth that the main link could handle. Obviously that would be backwards, but there may actually be some crazy corner case where that might come in handy for someone. Who knows.
@@TallPaulTech Yeah there has to be some compelling use case out there - Pi with a USB ethernet adapter that you can just drop in as an isolated remote debug port? Jumping over a host you don't have network config access to? Who knows. Sidenote, would love to see you do something on using a Pi as a router-on-a-stick if you have the interest. I had an edge case of wanting to do PPPoE termination on a Pi router-on-a-stick style and guides for even the most basic configurations of the concept on a Pi were difficult to follow.
As usual, your low level knowledge goes over my head but is good to watch 😀 I occasionally use virtualhere which allows me to share a webcam attached to a USB port on a Rasperry Pi zero, then I can connect to this from another PC on my network.
@@TallPaulTech not unless it could literally read my mind haha but seriously, was about to go searching for a way to remote access a card reader next to my 3D printer so I didn’t take my devices SD card into my office and lose it again.
in the early 2k's I cut open a usb cable and put an rj45 socket on each cut end so I could use a patch cable as a usb extension. I never got it to work with anything longer than a 10' cable but it was still fun. looking back now im fairly surprised it worked at all with a cable that long
Somewhere around 10' is really the maximum that regular USB can do over copper. If you want to go any longer, you need to have active cables. There are various products that do this. Most of them seem to convert to fiber optics for the long haul and then back to electrical signals. That's the same trick that extra-long HDMI cables use. You occasionally see products that convert to their own proprietary signalling protocol and then allow you to use CAT-5, but that seems to have mostly fallen out of favor these days and I don't believe anybody ever managed to get more than USB 2.0 speeds over CAT-5. Active cables with internal converters work beautifully, if you want something that behaves as similar to a physical cable as possible. It's nice in how you just plug it in and forget about it. But for more flexibility and features, encapsulating in IP is the way to go. It might require more tinkering, but it often turns out to be less expensive as you might already have everything you need.
@@gutschke right on. i didnt put much thought into what twisted pairs i was using for what. im sure the twists themselves were messing with me too. as the cable got longer.
If I ever attempt this I would want to use start up scripts or at the very least one that can be ran to set everything up. That is a lot to remember really.
Another great video :) Couple of things I've been playing around with that you might be interested in, a Ubiquiti Edgerouter X (basically a little linux box with a couple of ethernet ports strapped to it, has shell) and the Debian Zerotier cli package installed on it, Global Area Networking.... Anywho, you probably already know about both... but well.... Its a rabbit hole I'm weeks deep in now haha...
Wow! I moved to a new place and the best place for the antennas are far away from my main pc (where reception near my pc is terrible) and power drops considerably with a 50ft USB cable (which makes noise even worse, even with chokes, not to mention the DC power drop). I was using a remote session gui to login to the machine where the antennas are, but this makes more sense. This would also might work for USB security dongles, USB sensors, etc
Just a thought, USB bus addresses are dynamically assigned and prone to change. Would it be better to identify your devices by their unique vendor+product ID instead? Though the drawback of that is you cannot distinguish two units of the same identical product.
This made me think about the meme where a bunch of physical adapters were plugged into eachother (from centronics to DB25 to DE9 to PS/2 to DIN to BNC to ...). USB over IP is the same... But in software! I had no idea this was possible on Linux, but ofcourse it is!
Sounds like you should be able too (haven't tried myself). Keep in mind that network latency is a big factor as mounting a Serial BUS over a network is much slower than a direct line to the CPU. As long as the threshold is within that latency window of the network it should perform just fine. The DAW running on the client will have no idea that device isn't local and nor will the kernel for that matter.
Mind blown, I have SO many uses for this, I mean, at least 2 🤣 Seriously though, this has been in the linux kernel for 9 years and this is the first I've heard of it. Note: there's a windows implementation too, though, the latest release is 2011, so who knows if it works with Windows 10/11
I don't know why I had to specifically authorise your comment then. UA-cam is getting worse. I just saw one on github called usbip-win which has basically the same syntax and seemingly structure, so maybe, just maybe it will work on a Windows client to a Linux server. I'm sure someone who actually uses Windows could check and find out.
Even better, do that then join the ends and make a loop :)
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I use it with my Android phone to connect exotic devices (smartcard readers, MCU programmers) through mobile data to my home computer.
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@@octopusdreamsDo you see my reply? Or has this crappy UA-cam spam filter which filters everything but spam caught it?
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@@octopusdreams Yeah, I wrote two paragraphs about the thing I use. Anyway, I use "USB/IP Server" app from Google Play. Works without root and behaves like a normal usbipd server, so use a WireGuard tunnel or similar to connect to it from your PC.
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@@octopusdreams Okay, one last attempt. This is Incredibly frustrating. I use U S B slash I P Ser ver from Pl ay Store. Doesn't even need root.
You didn't need to edit that on the end... there's only one voice that comes to mind when reading 'marvellous'. The edit only shows that you're Australian :)
@@TallPaulTech no my friend, a Brit, and ‘marvellous’ here in faux-Benaud means you blagged a 9th gen bootleg tape of The Twelfth Man off one of your mates. Hence I felt I might have to explain. Just in case. Good job you got it then.
@@TallPaulTech Tony as in Bullet-tooth Tony, portrayed by our very own bollock-grabbing hero Vinnie Jones in ‘Snatch’? Oh, you don’t know about the grab? Google ‘Vinnie Jones Paul Gascoigne’. Likely never been heard of down your way.
Heck.... I remember trying to get my old scanner (connected to the print server) connected to my Windoze box with USBIP, but it refused to work no matter what. Ended up using xsane on the print server with PuTTY and Xming on the Windoze box.
I wonder how this handles higher latencies (Anything over the network is going to be higher latency than local usb..), but also bandwidth. Those USB devices should be limited to 480Mbit on the bus, but what does that translate to in terms of network traffic? There must be a bunch of overhead due to TCP/IP and the USBIP protocol. Also makes this probably a bad thing to try with USB 3.x as you'd need over 10Gbit of effective bandwidth - which most setups won't be able to do on a single TCP connection.
@@TallPaulTech Just thinking out of the box here (not sure if its actually realistic), but for example hdmi video. A 5Gbit USB-C to HDMI adapter isn't able to drive my external monitor (needs to be 10Gbit), so there are a few applications that require substantial bandwidth. Even with a 10Gbit network you wont be able to push anything close to 10Gbit over a single TCP connection. Doesn't make this any less of a cool solution, but there may be limitations to the data you can push.
1:40 That listing shows a dependency which means that loading usbip_host would have been sufficient to pull in usbip_core as well. 3:13 Same for vhci_hcd.
Love your videos. But dang, this was a topic I am really interested in and I really counting on your drawings of "topology" of the problem. I do appreciate the close-ups of the terminal inputs, but having mental picture as you often provide of the connections would be helpful. (I do also recall your posts that you are doing these for yourself, so thanks for sharing, I can probably work this out, ... eventually (-;! ) Cheers from Chicago.
ohh wow, I never considered SDR just because I use linux and dont install windows, I always assumed SDR would be a windows only thing. Now Ill have to get one and see what their all about.
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation: 00:00 📡 The video discusses using USB devices over a network to access hardware remotely. 01:25 🖥️ On the server, you can use "modprobe" to load the USB IP core and USB IP host modules, which are needed for remote access. 02:08 🔄 You can list available USB devices with "USB IP list" and then use "USB IP attach" to connect to a remote device using its bus ID. 04:23 🌐 Once attached, the remote USB device appears on the client system as if it were locally connected. 06:32 🧰 To unbind a remote USB device on the server, use "USB IP unbind" followed by the bus ID. 07:52 📺 This method can be used to access a variety of devices, such as TV tuners and software like SDR trunk, which might not support other remote access methods. Made with HARPA AI
On physical level (hardware) in both cases (usb and ethernet) only crc checking or ack (acknowledge) bits can help but this is not adequate in both cases. CRC (sum of data bytes send) maybe ok, ACK (other side says i have received the signal like in a CAN-BUS) but what about data ? Data can be corrupted and must be checked with software and in same cases it can be very slow and timeconsuming for both of them. So it depends on the case, TCP IP (software protocol ) controls and verifies packets strictly because they come from other side of the world but UDP streams (internet radio, movie etc..) are not controlled. Likewise we can make many software layers on USB, we can choose control it or not. For example an sdr device sends I and Q float data over usb very fastly there is no time to check them. Physically in same cable there can be many usb devices (nodes) communicating at the same time for example 20 mouses, its packets can not be checked and one would see errors (not latency actual errors) on their data because mouse data is not controlled by software. But on same ethernet network let say 255 devices can communicate with internet, there would be latency but no error if they use only TCP only because software layer handles it. On a bus (can bus,usb etc..) we can only check some bits, crc in hardware level and it is not enough to make them error prone.
Hi Paul, I would like to connect my OBD2 Link over bluetooth to the Raspberry Pi (situated inside my car) then pipe that through the network on another raspberry (inside my house) beeing so able to use the ScanMyTesla App ... Would it be possible? Could you help with that? Thank you
@@octopusdreams Hi, from what I have been searching, I could not find a Bluetooth repeater..... Should be easy with Linux. If you know any Bluetooth repeater, please let me know. Thanks
Package usbip is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
I have a Raspberry Pi 0 WH, I think there is more to the set-up can you help? Resolved now, I found another UA-cam video which showed how to get modprobe installed.
Do you disconnect your gear from the antennas when it looks like storms are nearby? I would hate to think of the damage if one of your antennas copped a lightning strike.
No. If you cop a direct lightning strike, then everything is going to be pretty fucked anyway so I'd be more worried about the missing roof. Those lightning suppressors you see are for discharging the excess radio energy that's in the air during a storm to ground, to save it blowing the front end of receivers. A full lightning strike though?... forget about it.
Is there anything that developers can do that prevents a USB from being shared like this over a network? For example a lot of software vendors use USB devices to license there product, a dongle ? I have set-up a share for a USB device to share a CAN module as you have done, I then tried the same with another type of network interface and this didn't work, so I'm curious to know if it can be prevented by the device ?
That's a good question actually. You'd think that if the hub was on there, then its subordinates would come up as dash= something but I'd have to try it.
Hi. I have a software that can read from a pcb only via usb c(obviously attached to a COM port) . Now i need to place it about 5/10 km away, but still be able to access it from my pc and read values. I want to understand the possible solutions to my problem as i am a novice in the networking area. Any thoughts?
@@octopusdreams i don't have a pc connected at the remote end. The software is used to configure the device once, then this device will be deployed to the location. The device only has means to be connected via usb.
@@octopusdreams "get a raspberry pi or a cheap android phone or something" this was the whole point of my doubt. I just want the device at the remote end. I could put a rasp pi or android but i can't. that's where i'm stuck.
@@octopusdreams $16 is still a long deal.On the contrary, can i not just use usb-over-fibre optic ethernet adaptors? Didn't read much about this, but throwing it in here cause it'll save me some time to look for maybe other alternatives.
@TallPaulTech I don’t think you have specified what versions of software or operating systems you are using at all, its important because if you are using Linux distributions, many of these can be buggy and unstable, same goes for Raspbian.
I saw that, but usbipd-win seems to be just the usbipd command allowing it to be the server but not a client. I did a quick test and got a Linux client to use a Windows server device, but not the other way around because there was now Windows usbip command by itself that I could see.
In theory you might be able to run Linux as a guest under VirtualBox on a Windows host, use VirtualBox to attach a host's USB device to the Linux guest OS, then in Linux run the appropriate usbip commands. Performance might not be great but it might be good enough.
@@TallPaulTech I'll go thru your vids and check it out. I have two SDR running on a Raspberry Pie 4 8gb in my shed in a clear lid weather proof box that drilled some 2" holes in and put an intake and exhaust fan on it with pass thru connections. Iive in PHX, so no need to worry about rain or anything. As 360 days of the year is bright and hot shinning sun. LOL. I am running a 978 and 1090 Mhz bands SDR for ADS-B feeding adsbfi, ads-B exchange, FR24. I am able to view a out the entire southern half of AZ and into Cali with my antenna setup. I can't go to high as the HOA will kill me. :)
2.5GigE is becoming really cheap these days, and 10GigE is well within reach for desktop-style computers or servers, but not necessarily a great option for mobile devices yet. You can go faster than that (e.g. 25, 40, 100, ...), but that tends to get more expensive and might have diminishing returns. Having said that, I can't really think of too many applications where I would want to encapsulate USB over IP and max out my network capacity. But then, your use-cases could very well be different from mine.
I got my GPU enclosure in the mail, the GPU should be here tomorrow. Hopefully after I get back from RedWing, but the cable it came with is way too long, like 3ft, at Thunderbolt 3, it needs to be alot shorter, like my 2070maxQ beats it at 3 feet. It is Nifty though to have both cards because CUDA at 5,000 cores can be ten dimensional. Not that your probably going to be able to buy some software, there is not even a multi-core 3D modeller, even one that uses Marshall c# class does not exist. I saw one that did like thermodynamics...1000% hidden interface, must be intellectual property rights. So, got the 0.3 meter thunderbolt 4 cable for the 3080 12GB O.C. because every dimension goes through zero.
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If you want to know what is going on in the packet capture, assign port 3420 to USBIP dissector. Then you'll see the actual URBs instead of just TCP packets.
Mate! Why didn't I think of that? I just set the decode of tcp port 3240 to USBIP... I didn't realise it had that, but of course it would because I've used Wireshark in the past to snoop proper usb when reverse engineering a Wi-Spy. I didn't even think of this. Cheers.
I appreciate not only the knowledge being shared but the manner in which you present yourself while doing so. Dust your shoulders off, homie.
Brilliant. One of millions of hidden capabilities in Linux OS's.
I recently went down the USB over IP rabbit hole. I need the client to be Windows. Tried a bunch of software solutions, but always had issues. I ended up getting a hardware solution - a Silex DS-510. Works perfectly, very happy with it :)
Thanks. I had already resigned to the idea that no such device existed and I'd have to find a way to pull another dedicated ethernet cable someday (i.e. when I finally move my gaming PC from being in the next room to being in the basement). However, seeing the price of the Silex, I'm not sure if being too lazy to move the PC isn't the better option after all... ;)
There is a commercial, albeit really inexpensive, solution that has worked well for me. As far as I can tell, it makes use of some of the same kernel modules that this video documents. But it then implements the server in user-space and implements its own wire protocol. And as opposed to the basic kernel modules, it also adds support for Windows and MacOS, and it conveniently provides a user-friendly GUI app. You can even get an Android app that allows you to plug your USB device into your phone and then make it accessible over the network. And if you want to access your USB devices across the internet, it provides discoverability and encryption.
Do you have to buy a commercial solution, when you might as well use the built-in tools that come with your Linux system? No, not at all. But since it's a small one-time payment, I found it a useful addition to my set of tools that I usually keep around. And honestly, the free feature-restricted mode that it has is frequently good enough for one-off experiments. Search for Virtual Here, if you are interested.
N.B. I have never used this product with bandwidth-intensive USB devices such as cameras or mass storage. I have no idea how well that would work. A wimpy little Android phone or a tiny SBC is likely not powerful enough to encapsulate all that data in IP packets. So, try the demo version before shelling out money to make sure your use-case is supported. But for the particular needs that I have, it's an awesome little tool.
Have to say it - the 3D Spectrum analyser looks very cool !
Yeah man, that's why I get all the chicks!
Pretty cool. One of those things that I had no idea was possible but now I can think of numerous uses. Thanks for that.
Exactly!
Very much appreciated the way you showed yourself and the audience around the terminal.
Have had to emulate physical ports for the better part of 20 years -- Sometimes I found hardware solutions (most recently from Digi International) work pretty well! You can run hardware on one end and virtual on the other depending on needs. Some of their latest products have like 20 USB host hubs which is of course overkill for 99% of applications :-) For anyone looking for Windows solutions (saw one in the comments) there is a third party app or two. "USB over Network" I found is the most stable and reliable.
USB-IP has a Windows client I believe.
Dude I love the content on your channel, everything is interesting ... keep up the good work !!
Haha, then you'd love my OnlyFans :)
Thank you. I've been wanting to be able to do that with a DVB-S2 dongle for a while now. You are the first person who I've found who has posted such a clear guide!
The reverse of your setup might be very useful : now I can "plug-over-IP" a dongle into one of my servers while sitting in the office!
It's time to test throughput of a USB ethernet adapter connected using USB-over-IP, so IP-over-USB-over-IP
Haha, you know somebody will probably try that. As I say that though, I guess it would actually be okay if the USB NIC is only running low bandwidth that the main link could handle. Obviously that would be backwards, but there may actually be some crazy corner case where that might come in handy for someone. Who knows.
Right, I'm keenly interested in what the limitations are.
@@TallPaulTech Yeah there has to be some compelling use case out there - Pi with a USB ethernet adapter that you can just drop in as an isolated remote debug port? Jumping over a host you don't have network config access to? Who knows.
Sidenote, would love to see you do something on using a Pi as a router-on-a-stick if you have the interest. I had an edge case of wanting to do PPPoE termination on a Pi router-on-a-stick style and guides for even the most basic configurations of the concept on a Pi were difficult to follow.
Mate, are you new here or something? ua-cam.com/video/7riJkp5q1-M/v-deo.html
This thing is telling me you've been here for 7 years!
Thanks for the info, I already used that to share my printer from a openwrt router.
Well the 3D spectrum analyzer looks pretty neat (y). excited to see the final outcome !
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Wow that 3D spectrum looks amazing!😊
Fantastic tip! I had no idea this was natively supported in the Linux kernel
As usual, your low level knowledge goes over my head but is good to watch 😀
I occasionally use virtualhere which allows me to share a webcam attached to a USB port on a Rasperry Pi zero, then I can connect to this from another PC on my network.
I was literally thinking about doing this yesterday for a different project, I’ll have to try this, thanks so much!
I know you were... because your Ring doorbell leaked your private comms to me!
@@TallPaulTech not unless it could literally read my mind haha but seriously, was about to go searching for a way to remote access a card reader next to my 3D printer so I didn’t take my devices SD card into my office and lose it again.
Super clear explanation as always. Definitely be giving it a go this week. Cheers
Wow! My Mind was blown; this will make many things easier for me. Thanks for making the video!
in the early 2k's I cut open a usb cable and put an rj45 socket on each cut end so I could use a patch cable as a usb extension. I never got it to work with anything longer than a 10' cable but it was still fun. looking back now im fairly surprised it worked at all with a cable that long
Somewhere around 10' is really the maximum that regular USB can do over copper. If you want to go any longer, you need to have active cables. There are various products that do this. Most of them seem to convert to fiber optics for the long haul and then back to electrical signals. That's the same trick that extra-long HDMI cables use. You occasionally see products that convert to their own proprietary signalling protocol and then allow you to use CAT-5, but that seems to have mostly fallen out of favor these days and I don't believe anybody ever managed to get more than USB 2.0 speeds over CAT-5.
Active cables with internal converters work beautifully, if you want something that behaves as similar to a physical cable as possible. It's nice in how you just plug it in and forget about it. But for more flexibility and features, encapsulating in IP is the way to go. It might require more tinkering, but it often turns out to be less expensive as you might already have everything you need.
@@gutschke right on. i didnt put much thought into what twisted pairs i was using for what. im sure the twists themselves were messing with me too. as the cable got longer.
wow your channel is awesome, learn a lot
RFC 2549 is my personal favorite packet loss can be hard to recover if it's permanent and not just delayed
If I ever attempt this I would want to use start up scripts or at the very least one that can be ran to set everything up. That is a lot to remember really.
Another great video :)
Couple of things I've been playing around with that you might be interested in, a Ubiquiti Edgerouter X (basically a little linux box with a couple of ethernet ports strapped to it, has shell) and the Debian Zerotier cli package installed on it, Global Area Networking....
Anywho, you probably already know about both... but well.... Its a rabbit hole I'm weeks deep in now haha...
No, but let me know if you have any Wireshark questions/ideas
Wow! I moved to a new place and the best place for the antennas are far away from my main pc (where reception near my pc is terrible) and power drops considerably with a 50ft USB cable (which makes noise even worse, even with chokes, not to mention the DC power drop). I was using a remote session gui to login to the machine where the antennas are, but this makes more sense. This would also might work for USB security dongles, USB sensors, etc
It should work for anything.
Just a thought, USB bus addresses are dynamically assigned and prone to change. Would it be better to identify your devices by their unique vendor+product ID instead? Though the drawback of that is you cannot distinguish two units of the same identical product.
you had my curiosity now you have my attention
Next I'll have your mamma!
@@TallPaulTech 😁
Cool---now I want a Bluetooth bridge so I can access doorlocks in another building from my phone's app!
I didnt know you could do this. Ive seen the usb over cat5 adapters but this is way cooler.
I haven't seen usb over cat5 (although this technically is), but it sounds messy.
This made me think about the meme where a bunch of physical adapters were plugged into eachother (from centronics to DB25 to DE9 to PS/2 to DIN to BNC to ...).
USB over IP is the same... But in software!
I had no idea this was possible on Linux, but ofcourse it is!
Very good tip and it is simple. Thanks for demonstrating this 👍
You're telling me I can bind my usb soundcards over to a local machine D.A.W ! Or am I asking too much?😮
If it's a USB device, I don't see why not.
Sounds like you should be able too (haven't tried myself). Keep in mind that network latency is a big factor as mounting a Serial BUS over a network is much slower than a direct line to the CPU. As long as the threshold is within that latency window of the network it should perform just fine. The DAW running on the client will have no idea that device isn't local and nor will the kernel for that matter.
WOW! I had no idea that Linux could do that. Thank you 👍
This would be a great alternative to "virtual here" if it worked on windows too.
This was extremely educational and very well presented - thanks! 🎉😊
Mind blown, I have SO many uses for this, I mean, at least 2 🤣
Seriously though, this has been in the linux kernel for 9 years and this is the first I've heard of it.
Note: there's a windows implementation too, though, the latest release is 2011, so who knows if it works with Windows 10/11
I don't know why I had to specifically authorise your comment then. UA-cam is getting worse.
I just saw one on github called usbip-win which has basically the same syntax and seemingly structure, so maybe, just maybe it will work on a Windows client to a Linux server. I'm sure someone who actually uses Windows could check and find out.
@@TallPaulTech that is odd. I've re-read my comment, and not even a "stackoverflow" moderator would be able to find anything to complain about. :D
blown would do it
@@KieranShort and yet you just said it????
now plug the usb side of an usb to ethernet dongle into the server and plug the ethernet into your pc but also bind to your pc with usbip
Even better, do that then join the ends and make a loop :)
I use it with my Android phone to connect exotic devices (smartcard readers, MCU programmers) through mobile data to my home computer.
@@octopusdreamsDo you see my reply? Or has this crappy UA-cam spam filter which filters everything but spam caught it?
@@octopusdreams Yeah, I wrote two paragraphs about the thing I use. Anyway, I use "USB/IP Server" app from Google Play. Works without root and behaves like a normal usbipd server, so use a WireGuard tunnel or similar to connect to it from your PC.
@@octopusdreams Okay, one last attempt. This is Incredibly frustrating.
I use U S B slash I P Ser ver from Pl ay Store. Doesn't even need root.
Wow, I thought that type of software cost money. - Thankyou.
You don't do silly things like use Windows do you?
My company uses AnywhereUSB to mount license dongles to Azure servers, and it does cost money :)
This is going straight to the pool room!
Bloody hell, I haven't heard that in a while. Team America won't get that.
3 hours ahead and fktard still approves of this. I use this for my shitty usb printer that does labels. Works mint! Onya TP.
Nice suit bro!
Very useful that. Marvellous. (That was my Richie Benaud voice)
You didn't need to edit that on the end... there's only one voice that comes to mind when reading 'marvellous'. The edit only shows that you're Australian :)
@@TallPaulTech no my friend, a Brit, and ‘marvellous’ here in faux-Benaud means you blagged a 9th gen bootleg tape of The Twelfth Man off one of your mates. Hence I felt I might have to explain. Just in case. Good job you got it then.
Blagged?... Speak English to me Tony. I thought this country spawned the fucking language, and so far nobody seems to speak it.
Let's see if you know what that's from.
@@TallPaulTech Tony as in Bullet-tooth Tony, portrayed by our very own bollock-grabbing hero Vinnie Jones in ‘Snatch’? Oh, you don’t know about the grab? Google ‘Vinnie Jones Paul Gascoigne’. Likely never been heard of down your way.
Heck.... I remember trying to get my old scanner (connected to the print server) connected to my Windoze box with USBIP, but it refused to work no matter what. Ended up using xsane on the print server with PuTTY and Xming on the Windoze box.
Would love to get an updated setup video for your TV tuners
What kind of update? It's just dvblast sending out multicast.
@@TallPaulTech awesome! I'll look into how to set it up, I've been looking for a multi tuner setup over multicast. Thanks
How did I manage so long without learning about this capability?
Same here actually. It wasn't until I needed to do this that I thought, surely this must have been thought of already, and it was.
@@TallPaulTech this is witchcraft. Very cool witchcraft
That is insanely cool...
Indeed it is
I wonder how this handles higher latencies (Anything over the network is going to be higher latency than local usb..), but also bandwidth. Those USB devices should be limited to 480Mbit on the bus, but what does that translate to in terms of network traffic? There must be a bunch of overhead due to TCP/IP and the USBIP protocol. Also makes this probably a bad thing to try with USB 3.x as you'd need over 10Gbit of effective bandwidth - which most setups won't be able to do on a single TCP connection.
What USB application are you using that really requires that bandwidth in real time?
@@TallPaulTech Just thinking out of the box here (not sure if its actually realistic), but for example hdmi video. A 5Gbit USB-C to HDMI adapter isn't able to drive my external monitor (needs to be 10Gbit), so there are a few applications that require substantial bandwidth. Even with a 10Gbit network you wont be able to push anything close to 10Gbit over a single TCP connection. Doesn't make this any less of a cool solution, but there may be limitations to the data you can push.
1:40 That listing shows a dependency which means that loading usbip_host would have been sufficient to pull in usbip_core as well.
3:13 Same for vhci_hcd.
Fair call
excellent content.
Wow, that is crazy useful! Thanks. I'm curious now, how your hardware server looks like with so many USB devices hooked.
Weird that there's no built-in encryption or even authentication.
Use VPN if you need encryption
I meant inside my own network. My threat model is "assume breach".@@AgentOffice
COOL! Thanks for making this video!
Paul the Pimp.
Pimping out USBs. Client by Client
Love your videos. But dang, this was a topic I am really interested in and I really counting on your drawings of "topology" of the problem. I do appreciate the close-ups of the terminal inputs, but having mental picture as you often provide of the connections would be helpful. (I do also recall your posts that you are doing these for yourself, so thanks for sharing, I can probably work this out, ... eventually (-;! ) Cheers from Chicago.
Hang on, what did you miss?
ohh wow, I never considered SDR just because I use linux and dont install windows, I always assumed SDR would be a windows only thing. Now Ill have to get one and see what their all about.
You've got to be kidding me, right?
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
00:00 📡 The video discusses using USB devices over a network to access hardware remotely.
01:25 🖥️ On the server, you can use "modprobe" to load the USB IP core and USB IP host modules, which are needed for remote access.
02:08 🔄 You can list available USB devices with "USB IP list" and then use "USB IP attach" to connect to a remote device using its bus ID.
04:23 🌐 Once attached, the remote USB device appears on the client system as if it were locally connected.
06:32 🧰 To unbind a remote USB device on the server, use "USB IP unbind" followed by the bus ID.
07:52 📺 This method can be used to access a variety of devices, such as TV tuners and software like SDR trunk, which might not support other remote access methods.
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Excellent video, How much bandwidth does it consume to run the SDR across the network?
i assume that the driver is not necessary on the host machine?
Have you seen any USB-C 4.0 Extenders over CAT6(a) already for things like AVoverIP ?
is the USB device still accessible on server while it's "attached" on the desktop?
No, that would make no sense.
Useful going to be using this ...thanks very much !
Any idea how USB copes with high latency, like you might get with a mediocre Internet connection?
On physical level (hardware) in both cases (usb and ethernet) only crc checking or ack (acknowledge) bits can help but this is not adequate in both cases. CRC (sum of data bytes send) maybe ok, ACK (other side says i have received the signal like in a CAN-BUS) but what about data ? Data can be corrupted and must be checked with software and in same cases it can be very slow and timeconsuming for both of them. So it depends on the case, TCP IP (software protocol ) controls and verifies packets strictly because they come from other side of the world but UDP streams (internet radio, movie etc..) are not controlled. Likewise we can make many software layers on USB, we can choose control it or not. For example an sdr device sends I and Q float data over usb very fastly there is no time to check them.
Physically in same cable there can be many usb devices (nodes) communicating at the same time for example 20 mouses, its packets can not be checked and one would see errors (not latency actual errors) on their data because mouse data is not controlled by software. But on same ethernet network let say 255 devices can communicate with internet, there would be latency but no error if they use only TCP only because software layer handles it.
On a bus (can bus,usb etc..) we can only check some bits, crc in hardware level and it is not enough to make them error prone.
Excellent
Hi Paul, I would like to connect my OBD2 Link over bluetooth to the Raspberry Pi (situated inside my car) then pipe that through the network on another raspberry (inside my house) beeing so able to use the ScanMyTesla App ... Would it be possible? Could you help with that? Thank you
@@octopusdreams Hi, from what I have been searching, I could not find a Bluetooth repeater..... Should be easy with Linux. If you know any Bluetooth repeater, please let me know. Thanks
Package usbip is not available, but is referred to by another package.
This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
is only available from another source
The usbip command is in the linux-tools-generic package in Linux Mint 21 / Ubuntu 22.04.
I have a SDR Play RSP DX and a Aldam Pluto Sdr!
I have a Raspberry Pi 0 WH, I think there is more to the set-up can you help? Resolved now, I found another UA-cam video which showed how to get modprobe installed.
well, its time to try USB over IP over Avian Carriers
Thats really cool
What kind of bandwidth does it use?
I'm wondering if i could use this to connect a tv tuner at my home to my vps ?
It would be about the same bandwidth as whatever device you're using is.
So, one could put that USB dongle in a bit of PVC pipe and the antenna "feed" could be the CAT6 line?
What?
Hi,
With usbip, Can we do actions like format , repartition USB storage?
Why not?
How reliable is that over, say, WiFi? I don't know how well USB devices and USB device drivers would handle packet loss, latency and jitter.
Most usb devices I've seen use the bulk transfer method, so should be fine I guess.
Is it possible to bind that usb to multiple hosts?
USB does not permit device sharing.
What OS is your server running on?
I use Debian for everything.
thanks and subscribed
Neat.
Is there a way to T that off so that multiple remote clients can receive? Even if in a passive/non-interactive 'slave' mode?
No, that's not possible with USB/IP
USB itself doesn’t allow device sharing.
@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 yeah but you might be able to T off the data stream and relay it to multiple clients
@@BandanazX USB doesn’t work that way.
Do you disconnect your gear from the antennas when it looks like storms are nearby? I would hate to think of the damage if one of your antennas copped a lightning strike.
No. If you cop a direct lightning strike, then everything is going to be pretty fucked anyway so I'd be more worried about the missing roof. Those lightning suppressors you see are for discharging the excess radio energy that's in the air during a storm to ground, to save it blowing the front end of receivers. A full lightning strike though?... forget about it.
@@TallPaulTech true, the radio gear would be collateral damage compared to the damage to the roof I suppose.
Is there anything that developers can do that prevents a USB from being shared like this over a network? For example a lot of software vendors use USB devices to license there product, a dongle ? I have set-up a share for a USB device to share a CAN module as you have done, I then tried the same with another type of network interface and this didn't work, so I'm curious to know if it can be prevented by the device ?
Well that's a bit hard to say without some very fine details. It's something I'd (ie, you'd) have to look right into with packet captures and stuff.
@@TallPaulTech Thanks for the response, another issue I'm having which I will msg on the Tesla CAN Bus Raspberry Pi thread.
@@TallPaulTech , thanks for the response, can you please check out my post on your Tesla CAN Bus Raspberry Pi thread ?
Would this work with usb hub?
That's a good question actually. You'd think that if the hub was on there, then its subordinates would come up as dash= something but I'd have to try it.
Hi. I have a software that can read from a pcb only via usb c(obviously attached to a COM port) . Now i need to place it about 5/10 km away, but still be able to access it from my pc and read values. I want to understand the possible solutions to my problem as i am a novice in the networking area. Any thoughts?
@@octopusdreams i don't have a pc connected at the remote end. The software is used to configure the device once, then this device will be deployed to the location. The device only has means to be connected via usb.
@@octopusdreams "get a raspberry pi or a cheap android phone or something" this was the whole point of my doubt. I just want the device at the remote end. I could put a rasp pi or android but i can't. that's where i'm stuck.
@@octopusdreams I'm stuck on money. Can't afford a rasp pi
@@octopusdreams thanks... I'll check this out
@@octopusdreams $16 is still a long deal.On the contrary, can i not just use usb-over-fibre optic ethernet adaptors? Didn't read much about this, but throwing it in here cause it'll save me some time to look for maybe other alternatives.
What versions of Raspbian and Ubuntu did you use, because I'm having problems with Raspbian 11 and Ubuntu 22.04.
Where did you see Ubuntu? I don't use that.
@TallPaulTech I don’t think you have specified what versions of software or operating systems you are using at all, its important because if you are using Linux distributions, many of these can be buggy and unstable, same goes for Raspbian.
Cool! I need this for Windows too. Server can be Linux but client must be Windows. Is it posible?
I saw that, but usbipd-win seems to be just the usbipd command allowing it to be the server but not a client. I did a quick test and got a Linux client to use a Windows server device, but not the other way around because there was now Windows usbip command by itself that I could see.
@@TallPaulTech 😢
I think there are products you have to pay money for. Windows cannot manage it on its own.
In theory you might be able to run Linux as a guest under VirtualBox on a Windows host, use VirtualBox to attach a host's USB device to the Linux guest OS, then in Linux run the appropriate usbip commands. Performance might not be great but it might be good enough.
Any windows client?
What do you use all those SDR for??
Ham radio?
I might categorise some of my videos into playlists actually.
@@TallPaulTech I'll go thru your vids and check it out. I have two SDR running on a Raspberry Pie 4 8gb in my shed in a clear lid weather proof box that drilled some 2" holes in and put an intake and exhaust fan on it with pass thru connections. Iive in PHX, so no need to worry about rain or anything. As 360 days of the year is bright and hot shinning sun. LOL.
I am running a 978 and 1090 Mhz bands SDR for ADS-B feeding adsbfi, ads-B exchange, FR24. I am able to view a out the entire southern half of AZ and into Cali with my antenna setup. I can't go to high as the HOA will kill me. :)
This video would have gone better starting a 0:45. what the hell are those acronyms?
They simply mean, harden up.
I had to go back and watch the first 45 seconds and when I listened I thought.. 😂 i get it
It's too bad usb 3 is more bandwidth than ethernet
How is that a problem? USB 2 can handle my fastest device which does 350Mb/s. What USB device are you using that needs over 1Gb/s?
2.5GigE is becoming really cheap these days, and 10GigE is well within reach for desktop-style computers or servers, but not necessarily a great option for mobile devices yet. You can go faster than that (e.g. 25, 40, 100, ...), but that tends to get more expensive and might have diminishing returns. Having said that, I can't really think of too many applications where I would want to encapsulate USB over IP and max out my network capacity. But then, your use-cases could very well be different from mine.
assuming this will be about the USB wifi protocol that is never really used *edit nope* hard wired, look into the wifi stuff
Huh?
I got my GPU enclosure in the mail, the GPU should be here tomorrow. Hopefully after I get back from RedWing, but the cable it came with is way too long, like 3ft, at Thunderbolt 3, it needs to be alot shorter, like my 2070maxQ beats it at 3 feet. It is Nifty though to have both cards because CUDA at 5,000 cores can be ten dimensional. Not that your probably going to be able to buy some software, there is not even a multi-core 3D modeller, even one that uses Marshall c# class does not exist. I saw one that did like thermodynamics...1000% hidden interface, must be intellectual property rights. So, got the 0.3 meter thunderbolt 4 cable for the 3080 12GB O.C. because every dimension goes through zero.
how to share over the internet, i can't find a single video, all are for local networks
check pi-kvm i suppose