My dad flew on the Rockwell 700 once to a project for Cedarapids, Inc (now a Terex brand). Many years later, but before 2011, I spent a few minutes on board inside a hangar. It was very nice.
Yaaaaay! Love the Speedtwin, thank you for all the information on it, most of it new to me. I always wondered what happened to the project, and if they might not have been better off (at least from the perspective of number of airframes flying) sticking with the plans-built approach. Really wish someone would pick it up, so much potential.
G'day, With a pair of Rotax-377s, one might make a Rip-Snorter of an Ultralight, Using the layout. I reckon, anyway. Have a good one... Stay safe. ;-p Ciao !
The Cessna T303 was a great airplane and belongs on the list of seldom known light twins. Flys like a 182, FL250 capable, ergonomic panel that makes it very easy to manage, trailing link gear, and a very comfortable aircraft for passengers. Only produced for about 3 years and sold for 4 in the early 1980's.
My company did a lot of the engineering work on the mk2. The project owner, Malcolm was totally unrealistic and inexperienced in light aircraft development. Sufficient to say that we parted company, Speedtwin Developments didn’t pay our last invoices. I flew the Mk1 a few times, it was Fun, given a different owner/manager the Mk2 could have been very successful.
The kit version of the Speedtwin was enormously over-priced. When an RV-6 kit was $30,000, the Speedtwin was asking $100,000. No wonder it never sold! It did have a unique feature to reduce aileron control forces, and it's not clear to me that conventional ailerons were inadequate.
Not only that, but that's not factoring in a pair of Lycomings, I presume. Plus all the associated mounting, plumbing, etc etc. There's been other kit twins that were attempted but nothing's really worked so far.
Anyone else see the striking likeness of the fin/rudder profile of the Do 28 to the Mitsubish Ki-46? The little-known Reid & Sigrist Desford light twin is another attractive rare bird - now preserved for static display in Leicestershire.
I sure have! Not quite as obscure as these ones I'd argue but still a good candidate for another video. When I used to work at FLL, there was a Beagle parked right outside our office, appeared to be in good shape.
Dude, Free English lesson with every video…. 😃 With a bonus lesson of words not to use in certain areas of the world…. 😃 Let’s all say ‘resemble’ together… Throw in words like assemble, dis-assemble, and re-assemble, just for fun… When selling machinery around the world… these English lessons pop up all the time. Different regions, and countries…. They all say the same thing differently, and they’re all right! 😃
The Rockwell-Fuji Commander is unique in that it involves Subaru. Yes, Subaru, the Japanese car company. At the time Subaru was a brand name and Fuji Heavy industries was the company. Fuji itself was a conglomerate created after the end of WWII by the Japanese government, which grouped together seven companies to produce Fuji, which got its name from the Fuji Rabbit scooter that was very popular. And one of the other of the seven companies was Nakajima, one of the pre-eminent aircraft manufacturers during WWII! Which means that basically....Every Subaru is actually a Nakajima. The word "Subaru" in Japanese refers to the Pleiades star cluster, which has seven stars, with six visible and one invisible most of the time. This is why the Subaru badge has six stars to this day. They finally got some common sense a few years ago and changed "Fuji Heavy Industries" into "Subaru". And they also had the common sense to stay the hell away from aviation!
Yeah, 4 obscure birds and the Rockwell 700. You left off the best small twin ever built, the Wing Derringer. Most are still flying. It was bueatiful and performed better. It should of had Lyc 360s instead of 320s. I saw a nice one at my old airport PVF. It would be terrific to see it back in production with the slightly larger Lycomings.
@@aircraftadventures-vids Yes in airplanes, funny looking designs don't fair well. Both the Hansa jet with forward swept wings and the Hondajet OTW engine placement didn't and are selling all that well. For the Derringer at least it looked good. With 180 hp engines, it would have faired better as a personal rocketship. I met George Wing in Torrance back in the 60's at Torrance. John Thorp helped Wing with the design.
I can see the Thorp linneage for sure. I know less than nothing about the Derringer, but perhaps it didn't sell well as it only sat 2? Perhaps if it was a 4-seater it would have fared better against the twin comanche, for example. @@larryweitzman5163
1.) Rarely do piston twins have engine "redundancy", instead you twice the likelihood of engine failure, and in all but the push pull designs your aircraft handling is much more dangerous in a traditional twin with one working engine than a single engine airplane with engine failure, the only saving grace being the possibility that you can get to the nearest safe place to land with your one working engine in said twin. 2.) The Do-28 B1 and the Do-28 Skyservant do not have even decent single engine performance. Both are STOL designs and STOL aircraft are almost always pretty draggy, most twins however are built for speed so they tend to be the opposite of STOL. At sea level on a not hot day you can probably climb a bit on one engine in a Do-28, though the turboprop Skyservant conversions probably preform a lot better. Also Helio made a Twin courier, none have survived to my knowledge. 3.) The Do-28 does not have more cockpit space than the Do-27, the Skyservant does though. The Do-27 and Do-28 definitely do not have spacious cockpits, the big windows help visibility but 6ft male barely fits in them, they were built by malnourished post war Germans for malnourished post war Germans.
The speed twin for aerobatics is such a silly idea. Totally the wrong layout for the job…. But sort of genius in its own daft way… physics be dammed :)
Good data, but you gotta pick up the pace. Sadly, your presentation is droning . BTW, loss of one engine in a twin is not "Death Sentence"/ It does require some action, but if handled correctly it won't kill ya.
@@neiloflongbeck5705. With underpowered twins the second engine takes you to the scene of the crash, with generously powered ones, the second engine will turn the plane upside down in an instant if you are not quick under certain circumstances.
Great educational experience. I’ve been an aviation fan all my life but never heard of some of these planes nor their history. Well Done Sir.
Thank you! These planes deserve some exposure I think..
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My dad flew on the Rockwell 700 once to a project for Cedarapids, Inc (now a Terex brand). Many years later, but before 2011, I spent a few minutes on board inside a hangar. It was very nice.
In 1970 D028 A1 D-IHOL of Westküstenflug (Owner Gerd Hellinger) was performing Flights Hamburg (EDDH) and the short Runway of Helgoland (EDXH).
Yaaaaay! Love the Speedtwin, thank you for all the information on it, most of it new to me. I always wondered what happened to the project, and if they might not have been better off (at least from the perspective of number of airframes flying) sticking with the plans-built approach. Really wish someone would pick it up, so much potential.
Happy to help!
Ditto to the enthusiasm on that SpeedTwin - what a cool bird!
That early Dornier twin is sweet!
Saw it as Osh last year!
G'day,
With a pair of
Rotax-377s, one might make a
Rip-Snorter of an
Ultralight,
Using the layout.
I reckon, anyway.
Have a good one...
Stay safe.
;-p
Ciao !
The Cessna T303 was a great airplane and belongs on the list of seldom known light twins. Flys like a 182, FL250 capable, ergonomic panel that makes it very easy to manage, trailing link gear, and a very comfortable aircraft for passengers. Only produced for about 3 years and sold for 4 in the early 1980's.
It is a nice plane for sure, and I think I've already added it for an upcoming video.
All twin engine planes were aerobatic so long as Bob Hoover was installed in the cockpit.
True that!
At least once.😉
My dad flew in the Speed Twin in early 2010’s. I recall him saying the fella was hopeful to sell them as reconnaissance aircraft to African nations.
My company did a lot of the engineering work on the mk2. The project owner, Malcolm was totally unrealistic and inexperienced in light aircraft development. Sufficient to say that we parted company, Speedtwin Developments didn’t pay our last invoices. I flew the Mk1 a few times, it was Fun, given a different owner/manager the Mk2 could have been very successful.
@johnwighton that's unfortunate because it looks beautiful and fast.
Made the Matchbox model of the Do-28 as child.
Me too, it was the Dornier 28D Skyservant model. Not many curves, it seemed to go together rather quickly.
@@aircraftadventures-vids I had problems with the undercarriage.
The kit version of the Speedtwin was enormously over-priced. When an RV-6 kit was $30,000, the Speedtwin was asking $100,000. No wonder it never sold! It did have a unique feature to reduce aileron control forces, and it's not clear to me that conventional ailerons were inadequate.
Not only that, but that's not factoring in a pair of Lycomings, I presume. Plus all the associated mounting, plumbing, etc etc.
There's been other kit twins that were attempted but nothing's really worked so far.
Already a fan of the WW2 Do 335. Introducing me to Do 28 got me to subscribe to your channel. THANK YOU.
Thanks!
The Fuji/Rockwell Commander 700 was fantastic.
There's one close to me at KFXE all under tarp, doesn't look like it's going anywhere sadly. It's rather big when you walk around it.
the speedtwin looks like a Pucará
I agree, sure does
Loved the video, those were some sweet aircraft! ❤
Thanks! I agree
Anyone else see the striking likeness of the fin/rudder profile of the Do 28 to the Mitsubish Ki-46? The little-known Reid & Sigrist Desford light twin is another attractive rare bird - now preserved for static display in Leicestershire.
Interesting that the VK9 initial photo has winglets.
Thanks for this vid. This stuff is fascinating to me - I love rare aircraft. Keep up the good work. Oh, and thanks for reading your own copy.
Glad you enjoyed it! More good stuff coming up soon. (and trying to improve my voiceover, lol)
Ever heard of the Beagle Basset? A very short lived design that had very few civil sales but had some success with the RAF.
I sure have! Not quite as obscure as these ones I'd argue but still a good candidate for another video. When I used to work at FLL, there was a Beagle parked right outside our office, appeared to be in good shape.
@@aircraftadventures-vids that sounds about right, there were one or two dotted about at various airfields, most had seen better days?
Loving these new compilations :)
Thanks! Now figuring out the next one, lol
A tail dragger ( speed twin ) made in the nineties is intetesting.
For years, there were one or two DO-28 hulls at the Shawano Airport west of Green Bay WI. I think they were floatplanes. N774E may be one of them.
Yeah one of them was converted from floatplane to landplane, it's definitely one of them.
I always had a soft spot for the turboprop Meteor. Fitted with two Trent tp's it looked neat, although obviously the jet version was faster.
I used to work with a guy that worked on the Speed Twin. The designer was very disabled but could really throw it around the sky.
Do something on the Wing Derringer!
Noted! And added to list for next twins...
nice video
thanks!
Love this video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Shame Fuji stopped building aircraft. The single engine ones are very robust, aerobatic and with great short field capabilities
I loved that LM-1 where they took a Mentor, converted to a 4-seater and grafted that huge jeep-looking roof on top.
A condition of the certification of EVERY multi-engine aircraft is that is can be flown successfully after V1.
The Speedtwin looks a lot like a FMA Pucará.
Dude, the verb “are” is required with the predicate is plural. “Here are 5 twin engine aircraft…” The five makes this plural. Thanks for the video.
Pedantic! j/k, I agree, and I'll be looking for those things next time around.
I always love grammar scolding starting with the word dude 😂😂😂
Dude,
Free English lesson with every video…. 😃
With a bonus lesson of words not to use in certain areas of the world…. 😃
Let’s all say ‘resemble’ together…
Throw in words like assemble, dis-assemble, and re-assemble, just for fun…
When selling machinery around the world… these English lessons pop up all the time. Different regions, and countries…. They all say the same thing differently, and they’re all right!
😃
The Speedtwin E2E Comet 1 looks suspiciously like a scaled down IA Pucará...
El Speedtwin se parece mucho a uno de los primeros bocetos del IA58 Pucará, excepto por el tren triciclo y los turboprop.
Verdad!
The Rockwell-Fuji Commander is unique in that it involves Subaru. Yes, Subaru, the Japanese car company. At the time Subaru was a brand name and Fuji Heavy industries was the company. Fuji itself was a conglomerate created after the end of WWII by the Japanese government, which grouped together seven companies to produce Fuji, which got its name from the Fuji Rabbit scooter that was very popular.
And one of the other of the seven companies was Nakajima, one of the pre-eminent aircraft manufacturers during WWII!
Which means that basically....Every Subaru is actually a Nakajima. The word "Subaru" in Japanese refers to the Pleiades star cluster, which has seven stars, with six visible and one invisible most of the time. This is why the Subaru badge has six stars to this day.
They finally got some common sense a few years ago and changed "Fuji Heavy Industries" into "Subaru". And they also had the common sense to stay the hell away from aviation!
Thanks for the backgrounder!
Great video!@@aircraftadventures-vids
I just noticed your username, I live next to FLL@@Flies2FLL
@@aircraftadventures-vids Hope you didn't get flooded last February....
@@Flies2FLL no, our house is elevated on the street and were spared. Our neighborhood was a mess though
The speed twin would have made a great training aircraft
That was the idea. My guess is over abundance of existing used twins precluded its need.
TheSpeedTwin has a look of the Pucara...
Mini-pucará!
Yeah, 4 obscure birds and the Rockwell 700. You left off the best small twin ever built, the Wing Derringer. Most are still flying. It was bueatiful and performed better. It should of had Lyc 360s instead of 320s. I saw a nice one at my old airport PVF. It would be terrific to see it back in production with the slightly larger Lycomings.
Too many to fit into one video. The Derringer is on my list for another twin engine series for sure.
@@aircraftadventures-vids Yes in airplanes, funny looking designs don't fair well. Both the Hansa jet with forward swept wings and the Hondajet OTW engine placement didn't and are selling all that well. For the Derringer at least it looked good. With 180 hp engines, it would have faired better as a personal rocketship. I met George Wing in Torrance back in the 60's at Torrance. John Thorp helped Wing with the design.
I can see the Thorp linneage for sure. I know less than nothing about the Derringer, but perhaps it didn't sell well as it only sat 2? Perhaps if it was a 4-seater it would have fared better against the twin comanche, for example. @@larryweitzman5163
@@aircraftadventures-vids the thorp corrugated wing design…. Speaking of looking funny…. 😃
the speedtwin has some similarities to the shape of Me210
Ask the royal navy if they know the pucara
They sure do
Are there others that think that donier missed the boat not making a do28/3m
1.) Rarely do piston twins have engine "redundancy", instead you twice the likelihood of engine failure, and in all but the push pull designs your aircraft handling is much more dangerous in a traditional twin with one working engine than a single engine airplane with engine failure, the only saving grace being the possibility that you can get to the nearest safe place to land with your one working engine in said twin.
2.) The Do-28 B1 and the Do-28 Skyservant do not have even decent single engine performance. Both are STOL designs and STOL aircraft are almost always pretty draggy, most twins however are built for speed so they tend to be the opposite of STOL. At sea level on a not hot day you can probably climb a bit on one engine in a Do-28, though the turboprop Skyservant conversions probably preform a lot better. Also Helio made a Twin courier, none have survived to my knowledge.
3.) The Do-28 does not have more cockpit space than the Do-27, the Skyservant does though. The Do-27 and Do-28 definitely do not have spacious cockpits, the big windows help visibility but 6ft male barely fits in them, they were built by malnourished post war Germans for malnourished post war Germans.
No mention of the cessna skymaster???
Pretty popular, was going for obscure. Plus, it's not 100% pusher.
And a third person could sit in the baggage area if belted.
I've probably never heard of most aircraft.
The E2E kinda looks like an argentine Pucará lmao
I agree, it does sort of
The Speedtwin looks a little bit like a baby Pucará.
The speed twin for aerobatics is such a silly idea. Totally the wrong layout for the job…. But sort of genius in its own daft way… physics be dammed :)
How about the twin Helio
Cool design, very little info to be found on it.
@@aircraftadventures-vidsI don't know if there's any still in existence
Why they put in 2 engines instead of one?
Reduced engine separation the Dornier is not quite true...
how is that so?
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8:43 visibility impairment makes this arrangement stupid under any conditions... smh...
It's "dawnee-uh", not dawnee-ay
Good data, but you gotta pick up the pace. Sadly, your presentation is droning .
BTW, loss of one engine in a twin is not "Death Sentence"/ It does require some action, but if handled correctly it won't kill ya.
Sadly, it's the only voice I gots! Oh well.
I'm Soviet Union, prototype twin fly you
a death sentence for losing an engine in a twin? obviously the writer doesn't have a multi-engine rating.
In some cases he would be right. Look up the Blackburn Botha.
Blame the engineer in this case
@@neiloflongbeck5705. With underpowered twins the second engine takes you to the scene of the crash, with generously powered ones, the second engine will turn the plane upside down in an instant if you are not quick under certain circumstances.
Was in Russia, not Lithuania, even the name is Russian.
You talk with strange intonation.
Thank you
After a few sessions with a speech therapist the narrator could probably overcome his speech impediments
Ouch 😂
Rude
Recognizing one's own obnoxiousness is paramount to attaining wisdom
At least its not dumb A.I. voice. I support people speaking. Haters like you are why we get horrible emotionless a.i. voices
Very nice. I heard of them all. Many haven’t. Great to see another plane geek!
Avgeek for life!