190e W201 M104 Clutch and Engine swap
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- Опубліковано 23 сер 2020
- changing the clutch and pulling out m104 engine on my 2.0 W201 190E
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Nice work Like From Azerbaijan✌
Thanks for making this
I like this build 👍✨
Great work
Nice work
Excellent work..👏🥃
Very cool! I'm about to do the same on a W124
Man this is amazing information, I have few questions.
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Hey, Nice work!. I'm doing the same conversion on a 2.6 chassis but engine came from w202 so rear exhaust manifold is no good, picked up a W124 rear exhaust manifold but didnt realise the downpipes could also be used?(was planning to extend original 2.6 rear pipe),to use the W124 down pipes do you need to weld in a flange before the Cat? cheers
If you get down pipe with cats it should all bolt in which it did for me but I have gone aftermarket/ custom build exhaust now
Thanks!. Did the stand alone ecu or exhaust work make much more power over the oem stuff?
haven't got it tuned as of yet but there's definitely more power there you can feel it
Hello there, thank you for the nice info video. I have this RHD 190E M104 swap project here. I’m trying to find out what radiator and fan I should use with no or minimal cutting and fabricating works? I would really appreciate your tips or comments. 🙏
You’ll need a 2.6l 190e radiator and hoses,
Along with 2.6l sway bar
I saw on google people commenting if it would be possible to put the head of the pagani with the m120 engine in the m104 engine, is it possible to put the head of the 6.0 v12 or 7.3 v12? What parts of the Zonda m120 are possible to install?
sorry mate wouldnt have a clue regarding that
What trans are you running man? Do you think Ill have a problem mating the m104 3.2L engine in my 190e to the Gertrag 5 speed dogleg??? Any help will be a blessing thanks man
Hi mate should all bolt up the 4cyl flywheel and everything bolts to the m104
Nice work! I currently have a complete five speed swap for a 190e. Is that a dual mass flywheel from a 190e four cylinder? Trans number 717.413 I also noticed you used a 6 cylinder flex plate for the timing tabs. Did you need to use longer bolts to make up the difference? The transmission is getting bolted to a m104 3.0-24. Also what type of clutch did you use?
I took spacer ring out to compensate for flex plate while running stock ecu have now removed it completely and run trigger wheel on the front
I’m running standard Sachs 190e clutch holds up well as long as you don’t launch it and take it easy
Flywheel is is standard m102 single mass very early type which has no timing pick ups at all
@@martinpik1 do you have part numbers?
@@Frankie_Freedom nah man not really
Are m104 engine and m111 5 speed manuel gearbox easy to fit together? I have w124 e200 , i need swap m104 . Also what ecu do you suggest?
all bolts together as theyre all the same
depending on how good you are with wiring i had the stock ecu going for 2 years but have now gone to a LINK standalone ecu, i would go with the most popular ecu iin your country so you have more choices of tuners
Hey mate,
This is one of my dream builds and I’m a big fan of this project of yours. Here in Australia, the 2.0 is quite common and I would love to swap an inline six m104 in one. Just wondering which transmission you are using? Cheers and all the best with your projects and channel.
hey mate i used to have the 1.8 when i was young in aussie, in my current one here in NZ i am running the 2.0l manual trans same trans as in the w124
hi do you think it should fit M111 2.3 comp manual gearbox on M104 2.8L from w210?
yes should fit fine
hoping to swap from my 2.6 w201 to a 3.2 m104.99 got a motor, harness and ECU, what else is needed, I heard there Is different fuel system needed, from nz also
Nothing you just need to get engine going on the m104 ecu and loom,
Your better off going standalone the factory ecu is a pain to deal with, I’ve done it won’t be doing it again
Everything else will bolt straight into your 2.6 use your 2.6 engine mounts and your good to go even down pipe will bolt up
Hey man, I'm currently doing the same engine swap but the bottom of my oil sump is hitting the sway bar when the engine mounts are resting which means the front is sitting too high and the bonnet wont close. Which 4 set of bolts do you have the engine arm mounts attached to as Ive been told to have them on the back 4 but its not currently working or did you have to modify the sway bar at all?
You’ll have to get a 2.6 sway bar as the the 2.0/2.3 one will not work
You also need to use the 2.6 mount arms. Using the w124 or other chassis mount arms won't work well.
Hey fella i love in the US and i have a mercedes 190e sportline and i recently aquired a 3.6 liter amg engine for the swap, ive tried finding any guide online but i cant. I have the engine to boot but im not exactly mechanically inclined 😂. If you could give me some pointers thatd be awesome. I know your engine is a 3.2 (as far as i can tell) but are there any hurdles i should be aware of? I know i need to redo the entire wiring harness, ecu, and tcu but i was tild i need all those parts from the same car. Any help is appreciated
Hey mate go stand alone ecu,
The 190e trans will bolt to the m104,
You’ll need to redo sway bar if you don’t have a 2.6 190e along with different engine mounts
You’ll want to spice 2.6 sway bar, engine mounts and radiator everything else should bolt in and up to the original 190e stuff
Hi your work is amazing
This idea it was in my mind
So I want to ask you can I swap the engine with out tuning
Or should I buy a haltech computer
And can i make the diff locked
And sorry for my English I know it's so bad
I’ve done both I ran stock ecu for 2 years
And now have link ecu
I’d go aftermarket if you can afford to do so there’s a lot more potential with aftermarket ecu
You could weld diff I’m just running open diff
@@martinpik1 thank you very much💖
seen part of bumper (just vents) and thought c'mon is it realy e36 bump or i just had a glitch :)
yeah its a e36 bumper ive had it on there for nearly 8 years haha
Good job bro... How bout the rear differential.. Using the stock or else?
stock 2.0 one mate
I'm planning to use the m104 form w124 with the
sweet as man send me a dm on insta @sickbenz if you need any info
Do you think this clutch will be enough? Perhaps it is worth installing a flywheel and clutch from the w124 300e and gearbox 717.430
clutch is perfectly fine as long as your not doing stupid shit normal driving hasn't caused me any issues with the original clutch from 1984 other then normal wear and tear
the gearbox installed is out of a New Zealand new 190e but has a w124 stamp code on it which i would assume is a w124 box
@@martinpik1 thanks for the answer. I wish the car will always please you.
I also have a project for the construction of a Mercedes 190e with an M104.981 engine with a ke-jetronic. I decided to collect with a margin of safety. changed the box to 717.430 which withstands 270 nm with a clutch of 240 mm, and also changed the differential from 2.3l
M120 v12 = 2 m104 6 inline?
Awesome 190! We have a 190e 2.6 and are swapping in an m104.99. Do you know which LINK ECU you used? It see they have a few options and we aren't sure what will work (we also plan to meet with the tuner). We are going to use a Drive By Wire throttle body by the way.
There's a LINK dealer near us, but we were also thinking of going with MegaSquirt EMS 2 as a cheaper option. Honestly we are just not very confident about what will work. We also have a manual trans!
Hi I used link atom but would recommend the next one up as I’m running everything on wasted spark and injection,
Mega squirt is fine but here in New Zealand there’s no real stockist and no one knows how to tune them so link was the obvious choice and it works well
Hi, great work! May I ask what type of rear end is on this 190? Greetings from Poland :)
its a standard facelift 190e with a amg ducktail spoiler
@@martinpik1 sorry, I meant diff :) 185mm from 2,6L or something stronger to handle the power of 3,2L?
@@baldodsgarage4795 hi im still running standard 2.0 diff havnt had any issues with it yet
Hey did you keep the EGR on your engine when you had the factory ECU? I noticed your engine does not have the auxiliary air pump on.
I have a C280 and I'm wanting to remove the EGR and pump without tripping the CEL or EGR warning light in the dash. Any ideas? I'm in NZ too 😀
hey mate i removed all of it but wasnt to worried about warning lights as it was running fine on stock ecu, but mine did come out of a w124 e320 not a w202 so it may be different for you
@@martinpik1 Thanks man, did you use a block off plate on the head where the EGR pipe enters?
@@nzuncovered1845 just used the original pipe and bent it over then welded the end
@@martinpik1 Nice, thanks dude
when you say factory ecu are do you mean the stock ecu that was in the 190e or an e320 ecu put in the 190e for the m104?
stock e320 w124 ecu
@@martinpik1 thank you 🙇🏻♂️
@@martinpik1 did the e320 w124 ecu work pretty well with the rest of the 190e's electrical? Plug and play?
@@6ixSpeedBenz its not plug and play you'll need a wiring diagram for both cars and cross reference it to suit it worked ok i couldnt get it to stop rev cutting at 5k though i have gone standalone now and am in the process of tuning it
hey man! little late to the party but im doing the exact same swap in my 2.0l w201 but i have some problems an i think you got the answers, or atleast your car seems to have the answers lol. i just got my engine and gearbox in after doing all the wiring. the first problem is that the engine is to high up. i think its the engine "pillows" thats the problem after some research, i hope so atleast. what engine pillows do u use? maybe a link would be nice if u have one. moste people use 2.6 pillows but there is like a 100 diffrent types and brands for the same engine.... my second problem is that the engine is very close to the radiator mount, like 5cm between them. i only have like 2-3cm in back though so im starting to think that the 104.990 is longer than the newer ones. the people iv talked to says that its not though, but you have WAY more space than me so maybe im right? that problem i think i can solve though, just wanted to see if you maybe have some more knowledge or a fix for it:) thanks in advance, really hope you see thisXD
o shit haha, i should have watched the entire video first hahah. yeah i see which type of engine pillows that is and im pretty sure that you dont know what they are cause it seems as you havent changed them hahaha. im really impressed on how you havent even drilled out the spot welds for the upper radiator mount and still got the engine in haha. im gonna use a 722.6 gearbox and it would had been a pain to get in from under the car in my tiny ass garage so i hade remove it. will install it with 4 bolts instead. im gonna try buying some engine pillows that look like yours and hope for the best. if that doesnt work it must be my engine mounts. i bought my engine mounts from "kangarooteam" and they say that they are a copy of the w201 2.6 mounts but modified to move the engine 15mm back but maybe i just got scammed haha. If you have some input on how far back the engine is im still intrested to hear about it. maybe you have a insta or someting to get in contact? and btw this video is golden, it has helped me more than any other person has, even though its not about what i came for haha. thanks alot:)
I have a m104 3.2 that I’m putting into my w201 2.3…. Is this a bad idea? Should I just get the 2.6?
They’re basically the same I have the 2.3 it’ll all bolt in you’ll just want 2.6 engine mounts and sway bar
what engine mounts you use? the rubber and everything
Standard w124 engine mounts all stock
Looks like you stopped doing UA-cam so hopefully you see this. Are the engine mounts all the same for the 190es? Or are they all different depending if you have a 4l,6l or diesel engine?
As far as I am aware 4 cyl and 6 cyl are different
Hey bro
I have a e320 coupe that i crashed
Its an automatic
Do you think i can just buy a e190 and through all the stuff from the c124 in there and it will work? Or will I need to buy some stuff?
Yes most things will bolt in
I just wondering if you guys can make one video about basic tuning tutorial for beginners? You Will help is ;) Tnx hope you Will understand what i mean :)
I’ll. See what I can do after Xmas
what kind of drive shaft are you running?
standard 2.0 manual driveshaft
Are your fenders rolled or is that a body kit?
Running 16v fender flares on a face lift with e36 front bumper
Hi, did you do the conversion to m104? What gearbox are you running please?
Damian Peter using standard 190e manual same trans as the w124’s are running
Yes swapped from a m102 to m111 then to m104
@@martinpik1 does it cope with the added horsepower well? Did you also swap the clutch from the w124? Im planning on swapping the 3 litre m104 into my 1.8. In the german forums I alwas read you need to swap the front of the 2.6 w201 so it can fit the radiator and a 6 cylinder.
@@PeruggiasWitness copes fine im running standard w201 m102 clutch but the box is a factory w124 one that was install into the w201 not sure why but it was all original like that
as long as your not doing stupid shit should handle the power fine
@@martinpik1 do you know the exact trans that it is? Like what code ?
@@logancannan2040 not of hand mate the next time I’m under the car I’ll get the code of off it
I know it’s got w124 code on it though
hi. tell me PLEASE which exactly 190e I need to buy to make it m104 turbo?? or it doesn't matter which one
doesnt matter which one as you can make m104 fit in both 4cyl or 6cyl chassis i have 4cyl chassis
@@martinpik1 thx a lot man, good luck to you.
Why did you do it this way ? Isn't it easier to remove trans ?
needed engine out to sort rear main seal and oil leaks also easier to pull motor then gearbox when its on jack stands
which engine mounts fit the w201 body
w124 and w210 both seem to fit with the m104 and m111
I want motor w201 2.5
When radiator you installed? Give me please a part number or car model from this
its a 190e 2.6 radiator
@@martinpik1 thanks
The front bumper is from which Car?
bmw e36
Which mounts brackets did u please leave the part number
W124 m104 mounts
Don’t have part number
Youlll want the 2.6 w201 mounts and sway bar or early m104 w124 ones
@@martinpik1 I found a 1999 W124 e280 I hope it works for me
Hey SickBenz, i have a few questions, im not totally new to car engeneering, i know a thing or two, i played a lot of my summer car so i recognize some parts, but most things are not really clear to me, but i want to do the same as you did in this video and more. im looking for a 190 project car, wich will be my first project car ever, in fact, my first car ever, i been saving up money to do so! So the first question: do you think i can do this too? Or is it too difficult? If not, i should consider looking at another car or just save more money. The second question is, at the end of your video, it looks like the hood/bonnet wont fully close, is this because the engine is not mounted yet? Or do you have to adjust some things inside the engine bay? Thank you in advance and really nice work and explanations!
Sorry for my bad English as its not my primary language :D
hey mate your English is fine, the engine swap is pretty straight forward hardest part is the engine management, a lot of people will tell you to get a different car but in my opinion the 190e is no different or harder to mod then any other car biggest issue is supply as it is very hard to get mods for Mercedes Benz so I resort to either making things my self or scouring eBay for specific parts, at the end of the day I find it more rewarding this way as not many people will have something as unique as a modified 190e,
with the bonnet everything fits under to the hood it is very tight but definitely fits, the Kangaroos team make a lot of parts to suit the 190e and would be the best place to start unfortunately shipping to NZ isn't worth it, if you can find all the parts you want to put into the 190e then defiantly go ahead with it as its a very rewarding experience and you do learn a lot by doing it,
@@martinpik1 hey, thank you for your answer! Why is the engine management hard? Is it difficult to care for the engine?
@@bartog1800 if its got immobilizer in it it wont start so you need to program it out or get a different engine management
its also wiring a lot of people are not confident when it comes to electrical and wiring
@@martinpik1 OK thank you for the answers! Maybe i send you another chat when i bought the car!
Does the m104 and transmission bolt in the 190 2.6 propeller and differential ?
yes it all bolts together its all the same stuff between w201 w202 w124 w210 the only differences youll have is the diff
Do I have to change the diff? From the 2.6 m103 to the 2.8 m104
@@kamaukinyanjui8739 no you dont i am running 2.0 diff and havnt had any issues
2.6 diff and 2.8/3.2 should all be the same
Thanks man there is so much wrong info going around these days..
From witch transmission you cut flex plate?
M104 auto trans
@@martinpik1 can you plese tell me where i should place this flexplate? Thanks mate
@@hellothere8845 place it onto crank shaft before putting flywheel on you will need to remove some spacer rings and cut the ring gear off of the flex plate
You want the flex plate to sit flush against flywheel so some grinding of flex plate is required
This all depends on what pick ups are on your flywheel as there are different ones my one was out of a early 190e which had the pick ups in the distributor
What is the transmission my good sir?
Standard w201/w124 5 speed manual
@@martinpik1 I want to manual swap my 190e. I can't find one of those transmissions around. Is the shift linkage a chore?
which gearbox you are using?
W124 5speed manual
how does it fit
@@bayramyildirim3075 bolts straight in
Where’s the turbo man ?
Havnt done turbo on the m104 there’s no room
For down pipe
Did m104 fig in w201 on stock engine mounts?
i used the m104 engine mounts from w124 all bolted in but its all very tight
did you Also used M111 transmission driveshaft and differential ? :)
@@whatyoumean3383 used original 190e trans with w124 stamp code on it along with 190e diff and driveshaft
@@martinpik1 my transmission is from m102 and I was wondering if I just swap to m104 can I just use this trans driveshaft and diff if is fit? Or should I buy m111 trans? What you think if I can use those it could be easier for me :)
Tnx for help
@@whatyoumean3383 everything from m102 will bolt to m104 id leave all the m012 stuff in and bolt m104 to it that's what I did with both m111 and m104 its all the same stuff as long as your not doing stupid stuff it'll handle the power if your going aftermarket ecu put trigger on front of engine if your using original m104 ecu you need to bolt flex plate to your 4cyl flywheel so you have the correct magnetic pick ups for it to run
Hi. I am swapping an M104 to my 2.3 190e. The motor is from a C280 (w202). Do you know if those engine mounts will work? I have the reference number. If there is a place where I can write you like Instagram let me know. Thank you!
hi I'm not 100% on those engine mounts my 3.2 came out of a w124 and they bolt in but it's very tight they may fit but like I said I'm not sure I know the w124's fit
@@martinpik1 hi! I bought the w124 mounts like you told me and the engine fits. Thank you. One question, what swaybar do you use? The original one from the 190e touches the oil pan. Thanks again👍🏻
@@bielg99 i have to track down a 2.6 one but you may be able to modify mounts in your country you can't do that in NZ as it wont be road legal if you did