As a new Orthodox inquirer, Thank you for explaining this. It makes so much sense. Protestants hold to this because we’ve been ignorant on topic. But why does Rome still hold on to this when it’s so clear now??
it's already here, so many people are new age spiritualists, they put their faith in anything but Christ and whenever Jesus is mentioned the energy completly shifts and people change, and we do have many Christians and churches but very very few God fearing people
@ I have seen this as well. The path is narrow. Few will enter especially in these dark times. The evil one controls everything and everyone through their weakness. My warrior spirit could never accept anything less than the Holly Mighty and Holly Immortal. In the end the sign of truth is that few will stand against many. Christ is my King and I will hold the line. I will follow my lord into the very depths of hell and fear nothing. Christ Conquers all! 🔥☦️☦️☦️🔥
how so? the Vatican clarification on limbo seems to admit the orthodox points on that (though that is of course a change in doctrine, and they would still have to give up immaculate conception for example)
Rigid views such as yourself are probably a greater stumbling block. "Flee from discussions of dogma as from an unruly lion" St. Isaac the Syrian (Homily 17)
@@Kai_Stwosz If you would like a more in-depth analysis, Father Panayiotis (the video's presenter) has done a video about this topic. You can also search online on Saint John Chrysostom and Original Sin. Very briefly we can say that the Orthodox do not believe we inherit the guilt of Adam and Eve, we inherit their fallen condition. God did not state their punishment, He stated the consequences of their actions. We lost paradise because we fell out of communion with God, we regain it by healing our souls. We heal our souls by moving toward His likeness. This is achieved by eliminating what we call passions (passions are actions we do involuntarily like addictions, wanting material wealth, gluttony, etc.) We do not think of sin as an affront to God's sense of judgment, sin is something that takes us away from his likeness.
All authority in heaven and on earth belongs to Jesus Christ, just because we do not understand what is happening does not mean that his purposes are not being achieved. :)
Fascinating to ponder the impact of Arius centuries after his condemnation. In no small way, the animosity between the West (especially western Europe) and Russia today is a consequence of the Arian heresy. Words matter. Just one Latin word has impacted all of subsequent world history. A unified Roman empire may have been able to keep Islam contained to Arabia and Persia.
The silence of the West after the Germanic invasions: these tribes had all adopted Arianism, meaning that the rulers of the West were opposed to the orthodox/catholic church. This persisted through 508 when the first Germanic leader, Clovis, was converted to Catholicism. In Italy Arianism persisted through the middle of 7th century and in Spain the beginning of the 8th century. This means that the rulers of the West largely opposed the Councils through the 5th Ecumenical Council in 553. Another historical point I would add: Charlemagne had himself crowned emperor in 800 in part because he claimed that the throne was empty, was currently usurped by a woman (Empress Irene). The 7th Ecumenical Council in 787 did not suffer from any defect in the eyes of people at that time because Irene had convoked it when she was merely regent for her son Constantine VI. Charlemagne therefore was not claiming to be emperor of the West but of the entire theoretical empire (then massively conquered by Islamic armies in both East and West). These political points may seem irrelevant but it is a fact of Church history that the Councils were convoked by the emperor in every case, starting with Constantine the Great in 325AD. The emperor therefore has a kind of sacramental role as protector of the Faith, Peacemaker and Shepherd. This can be seen in the term Melkite, which in the Levant designated "the Imperial Church" as opposed to others in the region (Miaphysite or Nestorian).
Your conclusion does not follow. Charlemagne never sought to be recognized as the sole ruler of the Roman empire, and actually accepted a much less grandiose title from the Byzantines.
@charlesiragui2473 your claim seems to be legitimate in so far as Charlemagne saw the throne as vacant and therefore when he assumed the title of Roman emperor he was seeking to establish or revive the throne in the West regardless of whomever the byzantines or Eastern Romans chose to rule them.
@@Kai_Stwosz Most likely we should interpret Charlemagne’s move as an act of independence not really an attempt to exert control over the entire empire/Church. The forgeries that Father is referring to support this. The Donation of Constantine pretended that the West had been given to the Pope for instance. Arguments for universal papal authority and then infallibility came later.
Thank you Father. May I request to have closed captions generated for this video? It's hard to make out some of the dialogue due to the hardness and echo of the location.
It’s still a little confusing, but thank you for adding a little clarity. This is far above my pay grade… But can it be acknowledged by the eastern orthodox churches that the Catholics are still Christians? A difference in the understanding of who is sending the Holy Spirit, how is it a deal breaker? That’s where I get confused. The Spirit proceeds from the Father, and is sent by the Son…? I know plenty who will call Catholics satanic over this and I think it’s a little crazy. As for the unleavened bread, is that a heresy? When Jesus sent His disciples to “go make ready the Passover,” there were specific things that they did which could only be on the Passover. One item specifically was getting offered lamb, which could only be done in the Temple. Secondly, during the first 2 nights of Passover, the Jews eat 2 Passover meals/Seders. So the difference between Thursday and Friday is moot. Also, what we understand as Thursday night, it’s actually a Friday evening on a Jewish clock. Anyways, thank you for this video.
@ do you think he and Leo would have pulled the same move if a man was emperor she was a queen regnant and it took them like 700 years before they allowed another queen regnant.
@Adtheos what do you mean? 1st Constantinople was 50 years prior and the subsequent Councils at Constantinople had nothing to do with altering the Nicene Creed.
Your professor friend there was not alone. I'm a 63-year-old, thoroughly Jesuit educated, daily Mass going "Roman" Catholic (although I could really do without the "Roman" bit; I'm not a Latin-speaking citizen of a long-dead "empire"). And since I was about 18, I don't say the "filioque" during the Creed at Mass on Sunday, either. I can't be alone. "Together with the Father and the Son, He is worshipped and glorified." Correct. So how on earth do we get to the Holy Spirit's proceeding "from" the Father AND the Son? Theological nonsense. Our Orthodox brothers and sisters are correct; and we've had this wrong forever. And as Steve below also pointed out, don't get me started on our entirely warped idea of "original sin".
@@nickkerinklio8239 Because I'm a Latin Rite Catholic and I say the original Nicene Creed, as written by the First Council, not the one adulterated for European political reasons, as our Friend made clear in his vid? Not that I have anything against going to an Orthodox Mass, which makes for a beautiful alternative, occasionally. Peace.
@@gerardmcgorian7070 You're not answering the question. If you reject the Filioque and the Roman Catholic teaching on Original Sin, then why would you choose to remain in communion with the Pope, and by doing so remain out of communion with the EO Church? I am a Roman Catholic, and what you are saying doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If you wish to be hot, be hot. If you wish to be cold, be cold. Stop being lukewarm. It is not for you to take it upon yourself to pick and choose, regardless of whether you are a Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. You are effectively practicing Protestantism, taking the authority of the Church upon yourself as an individual. This is unacceptable.
@@yokobono3324 "Prompted by the Second Vatican Council, and as part of a comprehensive liturgical renewal in the Ukrainian Catholic Church, the Bishops of the Ukrainian Catholic Church in Canada have determined that the Creed once again be recited in its original form, that is, without the words “and the Son.” We do so in full support of the Synod of Bishops of the Ukrainian Catholic Church. We do so in support of the Roman Pontiff, who himself has publicly recited the Creed without the filioque on several occasions. In doing so, he gives witness to the Church in general, and to the Ukrainian Catholic Church in particular, that the recitation of the Creed in its original form is without prejudice to the Catholic faith. " "Who has HIMSELF publicly recited the Creed WITHOUT the filioque on SEVERAL occasions." Stop talking and LEARN something about your Faith? And nowhere on your Baptismal Certificate (if you have one!) does it say you're a "ROMAN" Catholic. Now you've been "answered".
Filioque has a proper understanding (through the Son in an economic sense) and the heretical double procession. For centuries the first one was the understood interpretation. It wasn’t until just before the schism that the Roman flipped and decided no double procession is the “proper” interpretation even though the popes of Rome had previously condemned the position and agreed that they couldn’t add it to the Creed.
Отец рождает Сына и от Отца через Сына исходит Дух Святой до рождения Сына! означает - Дух Истины исходит от Истины через мысль Истины до рождения Мысли Истины в нейронных сетях головного мозга человека Истины. Дух Истины воздействует морально и физически во спасение тебя, тобой и от тебя по причине воплощения Мысли Истины тобой ! Крест Христов в православном варианте -это Электроэнцефалограмма биотоков мозга моего рождение Мысли Истины и исхождение Духа Истины - печать Бога Живого!
Rome must return to the one Holy catholic Apostolic Church of the Holy Fathers and the Ecumenical council's decision In the Hersey there is no salvation only eternal damnation
Nah. Doesn't make sense this way. The Holy Spirit is not a secret from Jesus. The Holy Spirit, The Father, and Our Lord Jesus Christ are ONE God. To say that the Holy Spirit only proceeds from The Father is to say that Jesus plays no role and that is erroneous... One Holy Triune God does not keep secrets from one another, they act simultaneously with the same motives. The West, aka Rome, did not lose connections and there was no loss of interpretation or knowledge. St Jerome had long since wrote the Holy Bible in Latin as interpreted from original in 383 and the schism didnt occur until 700 years afterwards. Latin was universal language in Jesus's time as well as up until Constantine in Constanople ... The East was conquered by ☪ANCER.
-the early church taught Monarchical Trinitarianism, the Father has the hypostatic properties of begetting and procession which the Son and Holy Spirit do no possess -the Son and Holy Spirit are not diminished in ontological status -the Trinity is One Will; there are no "secrets", only distinct hypostatic properties of each Divine Person -Greek was actually the lingua franca of that period, even in Rome; the Septuagint was in Greek and was the standard OT text. -St. Jerome's translation was not standard across all regions and he rejected the Deuterocanon as inspired (but kept it for pedagogical purposes) -the Latin West didn't even accept Revelation as canonical until the 7th century -Constantinople is not the embodiment of the whole Orthodox Church. Orthodox lands being captured has no bearing on what is true or false. -Muslims conquered Spain, Southern France, Hungary, and parts of Italy, all predominately Roman Catholic and mostly in the West. -likewise the Latin schismatics were quickly overwhelmed in the 16th century by Protestant schismatics and much of Western Europe today is Protestant still -the West was also conquered by humanism, materialism, and Freemasonry
@@fahn777 Agreed. Abba Almighty is the only person in our Holy Triune God that can beget. This is given. However, we as christians, while reciting The Creed are making an assertion of our Faith & Belief in the here & now. We are not professing what we believed prior to Our Lord coming down from Heaven, conceived by the Holy Spirit, and be born a mortal man in flesh through The Blessed VIrgn, Our Mother. Therefore, we should absolutely recognise Jesus's instructions when HE told us that HE would send us the Paraclete. I understand your perception- I agree. However, you should take into consideration our negligence as The Church [prior to schism when we were a whole] when our teachings contributed to heresy such as Arianism, the false rendition of islam's interpretation of Christianity/Sacred Scripture, as you mentioned, Protestantism and the rest of the so -called 'deoniminations' of Christianity ... All of them originating out of no loyalty to the Church and its proper instructions on how to Abide In Jesus. I know you know that Jesus has long ascended to The MOST HIGH where HE is seated at Abba's right hand and I know you know that Jesus has been handed all Power & Glory to Judge the Living and the Dead therefore you must also realise that there are NO secrets kept from HIM as the Holy Spirit proceeds at HIS Command. Now I have had the same discussion with many Orthodox and what is troublesome is that none are willing to admit common knowledge as given in the Holy Gospels and in Book of Revelation... and this worries me for all of you!
@@fahn777 Dear, everyone spoke Latin in Israel. Israel had long been under Roman Rule for well over 100 yrs before Jesus was born. Jesus and Pilate did not have interpreters during their discussion and Matthew the tax collector did not either. They were multilingual. Yes, we know the Gospels were written in many different languages including Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. And that is due to each of the disciples native language and how they learned to be scribes. But this does not relay that they didn't speak Latin. We all remember the post above our Lord's Crucifixion where Pilate had it nailed in Latin that Jesus is King of the Jews.... so this is not even a debate because it is given. Please know I love you, I have much respect for all my Orthodox faithful as I believe in One True Faith and not men. But I do however believe that Roman Catholicism gives the best detailed explanation, interpretations, and instructions on the Faith that Jesus taught, practiced, and commanded... 😘📿
@gotogd1233 Don't give me that false piety and condescension. Have fun with Luce, Pacha Mama, popes who like watching horses have sex (Alexander VI) and Chicken Dance Novus Ordo.
@@fahn777 Your comment was void of integrity and sums up the problem with those who claim that they are Orthodox... Furthermore, it explains the lack of Logos [CHRIST] in your theology, the teachings, as well as in practice. Concluding that you are not faithful to Christ and HIS instruction. There are 6 things the Lord HATES and the 7th HIS Soul DETESTS: Proverbs 6.16 Six things there are, which the Lord hateth, and the seventh his soul detesteth: 1Haughty eyes, 2 a lying tongue, 3 hands that shed innocent blood, 4 A heart that deviseth wicked plots, 5 feet that are swift to run into mischief, 6 A deceitful witness that uttereth lies, and 7 ⚠him that soweth discord among brethren. GET A LIFE IN CHRIST
As a new Orthodox inquirer, Thank you for explaining this. It makes so much sense. Protestants hold to this because we’ve been ignorant on topic. But why does Rome still hold on to this when it’s so clear now??
Pride
I have the feeling that the West is headed towards another pagan dark age. Thank you for making this important teaching available
it's already here, so many people are new age spiritualists, they put their faith in anything but Christ and whenever Jesus is mentioned the energy completly shifts and people change, and we do have many Christians and churches but very very few God fearing people
@ I have seen this as well. The path is narrow. Few will enter especially in these dark times. The evil one controls everything and everyone through their weakness. My warrior spirit could never accept anything less than the Holly Mighty and Holly Immortal. In the end the sign of truth is that few will stand against many. Christ is my King and I will hold the line. I will follow my lord into the very depths of hell and fear nothing. Christ Conquers all! 🔥☦️☦️☦️🔥
The Western interpretation of original sin is another, and maybe even greater, stumbling block in unification.
how so? the Vatican clarification on limbo seems to admit the orthodox points on that (though that is of course a change in doctrine, and they would still have to give up immaculate conception for example)
What specifically about Original Sin as understood by the West is problematic?
Rigid views such as yourself are probably a greater stumbling block.
"Flee from discussions of dogma as from an unruly lion" St. Isaac the Syrian (Homily 17)
No it’s not…
@@Kai_Stwosz If you would like a more in-depth analysis, Father Panayiotis (the video's presenter) has done a video about this topic. You can also search online on Saint John Chrysostom and Original Sin. Very briefly we can say that the Orthodox do not believe we inherit the guilt of Adam and Eve, we inherit their fallen condition. God did not state their punishment, He stated the consequences of their actions. We lost paradise because we fell out of communion with God, we regain it by healing our souls. We heal our souls by moving toward His likeness. This is achieved by eliminating what we call passions (passions are actions we do involuntarily like addictions, wanting material wealth, gluttony, etc.) We do not think of sin as an affront to God's sense of judgment, sin is something that takes us away from his likeness.
Glory to God for all things! ☦️
Thank you for this illuminating exposition! ☦️
The division of the Church is the saddest thing I think...Christ Jesus wanted for us to be One so that the world can believe...
All authority in heaven and on earth belongs to Jesus Christ, just because we do not understand what is happening does not mean that his purposes are not being achieved. :)
The Church IS one! The R.Catholic church is not a part of that one church.
It truly is a testament against Christianity
I do not know if its okay if to ask for prayer here but my name is Hector if you guys don't mind praying for me
Fascinating to ponder the impact of Arius centuries after his condemnation. In no small way, the animosity between the West (especially western Europe) and Russia today is a consequence of the Arian heresy. Words matter. Just one Latin word has impacted all of subsequent world history. A unified Roman empire may have been able to keep Islam contained to Arabia and Persia.
Excellent as ever Father, ευχαριστώ!
Bravo! Well stated and much needed!
Thank you for the great lesson...
The silence of the West after the Germanic invasions: these tribes had all adopted Arianism, meaning that the rulers of the West were opposed to the orthodox/catholic church. This persisted through 508 when the first Germanic leader, Clovis, was converted to Catholicism. In Italy Arianism persisted through the middle of 7th century and in Spain the beginning of the 8th century. This means that the rulers of the West largely opposed the Councils through the 5th Ecumenical Council in 553.
Another historical point I would add: Charlemagne had himself crowned emperor in 800 in part because he claimed that the throne was empty, was currently usurped by a woman (Empress Irene). The 7th Ecumenical Council in 787 did not suffer from any defect in the eyes of people at that time because Irene had convoked it when she was merely regent for her son Constantine VI. Charlemagne therefore was not claiming to be emperor of the West but of the entire theoretical empire (then massively conquered by Islamic armies in both East and West).
These political points may seem irrelevant but it is a fact of Church history that the Councils were convoked by the emperor in every case, starting with Constantine the Great in 325AD. The emperor therefore has a kind of sacramental role as protector of the Faith, Peacemaker and Shepherd. This can be seen in the term Melkite, which in the Levant designated "the Imperial Church" as opposed to others in the region (Miaphysite or Nestorian).
Your conclusion does not follow. Charlemagne never sought to be recognized as the sole ruler of the Roman empire, and actually accepted a much less grandiose title from the Byzantines.
@ It was clearly not a feasible claim of dominance and Irene was soon replaced.
@charlesiragui2473 your claim seems to be legitimate in so far as Charlemagne saw the throne as vacant and therefore when he assumed the title of Roman emperor he was seeking to establish or revive the throne in the West regardless of whomever the byzantines or Eastern Romans chose to rule them.
@@Kai_Stwosz Most likely we should interpret Charlemagne’s move as an act of independence not really an attempt to exert control over the entire empire/Church. The forgeries that Father is referring to support this. The Donation of Constantine pretended that the West had been given to the Pope for instance. Arguments for universal papal authority and then infallibility came later.
Very cool. I am Roman Catholic. But also... Polish. I had no idea.
Thank you so much,
God bless you father.
Forgive us and let god guide us.
Thank you for this fine talk on the Holy Spirit, the third member of the Holy Trinity.
Thank you
Fascinating! 🙏💕☦️🕊
Thank you Fr.!
Thank you Father. May I request to have closed captions generated for this video? It's hard to make out some of the dialogue due to the hardness and echo of the location.
It’s still a little confusing, but thank you for adding a little clarity.
This is far above my pay grade…
But can it be acknowledged by the eastern orthodox churches that the Catholics are still Christians? A difference in the understanding of who is sending the Holy Spirit, how is it a deal breaker? That’s where I get confused. The Spirit proceeds from the Father, and is sent by the Son…? I know plenty who will call Catholics satanic over this and I think it’s a little crazy.
As for the unleavened bread, is that a heresy? When Jesus sent His disciples to “go make ready the Passover,” there were specific things that they did which could only be on the Passover. One item specifically was getting offered lamb, which could only be done in the Temple. Secondly, during the first 2 nights of Passover, the Jews eat 2 Passover meals/Seders. So the difference between Thursday and Friday is moot. Also, what we understand as Thursday night, it’s actually a Friday evening on a Jewish clock.
Anyways, thank you for this video.
Yes, the Orthodox recognize RC as Christians.
What Charlemagne did to Irene should be considered the largest hit to women’s rights what he did to to priests by making them celibate was just as bad
I'm not aware of this. What did he do to Irene?
@ do you think he and Leo would have pulled the same move if a man was emperor she was a queen regnant and it took them like 700 years before they allowed another queen regnant.
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No, it cannot
Take it out & overlook it!!
Παρακαλώ μπορείτε να βάζετε ελληνικούς υπότιτλους...
Canon 7 of the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus in 431 declares Anathema to anyone who would alter the Nicene Creed. Filioque does exactly that.
Exactly
And then came Constantinople.
@Adtheos what do you mean? 1st Constantinople was 50 years prior and the subsequent Councils at Constantinople had nothing to do with altering the Nicene Creed.
@spectralflapjack I think they are referring to the lifting of the anathemas by constantinople in the 1930s
Your professor friend there was not alone. I'm a 63-year-old, thoroughly Jesuit educated, daily Mass going "Roman" Catholic (although I could really do without the "Roman" bit; I'm not a Latin-speaking citizen of a long-dead "empire"). And since I was about 18, I don't say the "filioque" during the Creed at Mass on Sunday, either. I can't be alone.
"Together with the Father and the Son, He is worshipped and glorified." Correct. So how on earth do we get to the Holy Spirit's proceeding "from" the Father AND the Son? Theological nonsense.
Our Orthodox brothers and sisters are correct; and we've had this wrong forever.
And as Steve below also pointed out, don't get me started on our entirely warped idea of "original sin".
So why don’t you go to an Orthodox Church instead?
@@nickkerinklio8239 Because I'm a Latin Rite Catholic and I say the original Nicene Creed, as written by the First Council, not the one adulterated for European political reasons, as our Friend made clear in his vid? Not that I have anything against going to an Orthodox Mass, which makes for a beautiful alternative, occasionally. Peace.
@@gerardmcgorian7070 You're not answering the question. If you reject the Filioque and the Roman Catholic teaching on Original Sin, then why would you choose to remain in communion with the Pope, and by doing so remain out of communion with the EO Church? I am a Roman Catholic, and what you are saying doesn't make any sense whatsoever. If you wish to be hot, be hot. If you wish to be cold, be cold. Stop being lukewarm. It is not for you to take it upon yourself to pick and choose, regardless of whether you are a Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox. You are effectively practicing Protestantism, taking the authority of the Church upon yourself as an individual. This is unacceptable.
@@yokobono3324 "Prompted by the Second Vatican Council, and as part of a
comprehensive liturgical renewal in the Ukrainian Catholic Church,
the Bishops of the Ukrainian Catholic Church in Canada have
determined that the Creed once again be recited in its original form,
that is, without the words “and the Son.”
We do so in full support of the Synod of Bishops of the Ukrainian
Catholic Church.
We do so in support of the Roman Pontiff, who himself has publicly
recited the Creed without the filioque on several occasions. In doing
so, he gives witness to the Church in general, and to the Ukrainian
Catholic Church in particular, that the recitation of the Creed in its
original form is without prejudice to the Catholic faith. "
"Who has HIMSELF publicly recited the Creed WITHOUT the filioque on SEVERAL occasions."
Stop talking and LEARN something about your Faith?
And nowhere on your Baptismal Certificate (if you have one!) does it say you're a "ROMAN" Catholic.
Now you've been "answered".
❤☦❤🕊
The Filioque was introduced to England by St Theodore at the Council of Hatfield in 680. The Franks came later, probably influenced by Alcuin of York.
It’s not the use of Filioque itself, it’s the heretical interpretation that developed later on.
Filioque has a proper understanding (through the Son in an economic sense) and the heretical double procession. For centuries the first one was the understood interpretation. It wasn’t until just before the schism that the Roman flipped and decided no double procession is the “proper” interpretation even though the popes of Rome had previously condemned the position and agreed that they couldn’t add it to the Creed.
source?
@@diegobarragan4904 So what's your authority for saying that a later interpretation was heretical?
@ the council of Blachernae along with all the Orthodox Saints who discussed the issue.
Darkness raises from the west
Отец рождает Сына и от Отца через Сына исходит Дух Святой до рождения Сына!
означает -
Дух Истины исходит от Истины через мысль Истины до рождения Мысли Истины
в нейронных сетях головного мозга человека Истины.
Дух Истины воздействует морально и физически во спасение тебя, тобой и от тебя
по причине воплощения Мысли Истины тобой !
Крест Христов в православном варианте -это Электроэнцефалограмма биотоков мозга моего
рождение Мысли Истины и исхождение Духа Истины - печать Бога Живого!
.
No.
Нема компромиса са тамом.
No
There is NO room for compromise in Orthodoxy. Did you GO MAD OR WHAT.?
Did you watch the video?
Rome must return to the one Holy catholic Apostolic Church of the Holy Fathers and the Ecumenical council's decision
In the Hersey there is no salvation only eternal damnation
Nah. Doesn't make sense this way. The Holy Spirit is not a secret from Jesus. The Holy Spirit, The Father, and Our Lord Jesus Christ are ONE God. To say that the Holy Spirit only proceeds from The Father is to say that Jesus plays no role and that is erroneous... One Holy Triune God does not keep secrets from one another, they act simultaneously with the same motives.
The West, aka Rome, did not lose connections and there was no loss of interpretation or knowledge. St Jerome had long since wrote the Holy Bible in Latin as interpreted from original in 383 and the schism didnt occur until 700 years afterwards. Latin was universal language in Jesus's time as well as up until Constantine in Constanople ... The East was conquered by ☪ANCER.
-the early church taught Monarchical Trinitarianism, the Father has the hypostatic properties of begetting and procession which the Son and Holy Spirit do no possess
-the Son and Holy Spirit are not diminished in ontological status
-the Trinity is One Will; there are no "secrets", only distinct hypostatic properties of each Divine Person
-Greek was actually the lingua franca of that period, even in Rome; the Septuagint was in Greek and was the standard OT text.
-St. Jerome's translation was not standard across all regions and he rejected the Deuterocanon as inspired (but kept it for pedagogical purposes)
-the Latin West didn't even accept Revelation as canonical until the 7th century
-Constantinople is not the embodiment of the whole Orthodox Church. Orthodox lands being captured has no bearing on what is true or false.
-Muslims conquered Spain, Southern France, Hungary, and parts of Italy, all predominately Roman Catholic and mostly in the West.
-likewise the Latin schismatics were quickly overwhelmed in the 16th century by Protestant schismatics and much of Western Europe today is Protestant still
-the West was also conquered by humanism, materialism, and Freemasonry
@@fahn777 Agreed. Abba Almighty is the only person in our Holy Triune God that can beget. This is given.
However, we as christians, while reciting The Creed are making an assertion of our Faith & Belief in the here & now. We are not professing what we believed prior to Our Lord coming down from Heaven, conceived by the Holy Spirit, and be born a mortal man in flesh through The Blessed VIrgn, Our Mother. Therefore, we should absolutely recognise Jesus's instructions when HE told us that HE would send us the Paraclete.
I understand your perception- I agree. However, you should take into consideration our negligence as The Church [prior to schism when we were a whole] when our teachings contributed to heresy such as Arianism, the false rendition of islam's interpretation of Christianity/Sacred Scripture, as you mentioned, Protestantism and the rest of the so -called 'deoniminations' of Christianity ... All of them originating out of no loyalty to the Church and its proper instructions on how to Abide In Jesus.
I know you know that Jesus has long ascended to The MOST HIGH where HE is seated at Abba's right hand and I know you know that Jesus has been handed all Power & Glory to Judge the Living and the Dead therefore you must also realise that there are NO secrets kept from HIM as the Holy Spirit proceeds at HIS Command.
Now I have had the same discussion with many Orthodox and what is troublesome is that none are willing to admit common knowledge as given in the Holy Gospels and in Book of Revelation... and this worries me for all of you!
@@fahn777 Dear, everyone spoke Latin in Israel. Israel had long been under Roman Rule for well over 100 yrs before Jesus was born. Jesus and Pilate did not have interpreters during their discussion and Matthew the tax collector did not either. They were multilingual. Yes, we know the Gospels were written in many different languages including Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew. And that is due to each of the disciples native language and how they learned to be scribes. But this does not relay that they didn't speak Latin. We all remember the post above our Lord's Crucifixion where Pilate had it nailed in Latin that Jesus is King of the Jews.... so this is not even a debate because it is given.
Please know I love you, I have much respect for all my Orthodox faithful as I believe in One True Faith and not men. But I do however believe that Roman Catholicism gives the best detailed explanation, interpretations, and instructions on the Faith that Jesus taught, practiced, and commanded...
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@gotogd1233 Don't give me that false piety and condescension. Have fun with Luce, Pacha Mama, popes who like watching horses have sex (Alexander VI) and Chicken Dance Novus Ordo.
@@fahn777 Your comment was void of integrity and sums up the problem with those who claim that they are Orthodox... Furthermore, it explains the lack of Logos [CHRIST] in your theology, the teachings, as well as in practice. Concluding that you are not faithful to Christ and HIS instruction.
There are 6 things the Lord HATES and the 7th HIS Soul DETESTS: Proverbs 6.16
Six things there are, which the Lord hateth, and the seventh his soul detesteth:
1Haughty eyes,
2 a lying tongue,
3 hands that shed innocent blood,
4 A heart that deviseth wicked plots,
5 feet that are swift to run into mischief,
6 A deceitful witness that uttereth lies, and
7 ⚠him that soweth discord among brethren.
GET A LIFE IN CHRIST
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