Why China is blacklisting US chipmaker Micron for some domestic purchases | DW News
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Western nations vow they’re only “de-risking” their economies from China and not “decoupling” -- whatever that means.
We speak with George Magnus at Oxford University’s China Centre about Micron, the growing trade tensions between the world’s two largest economies and how EU firms are being pulled from both sides.
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DW: America can, China can't.
CN: Why?
DW: America is Germany's father
okay 50 cent army, how much you make on this video? I see atleast 3 posts...
@@billbonson7300 what he said is true. Truth hurts, right Chang?
@@billbonson7300 He say it true. DW is German's BBC. The consequences of losing WWII.
East Germany used to be satellite state for Soviet because there's Soviet troops in East Germany,
now whole Germany becomes setellite state for USA because there's US troops in whole Germany,
@@billbonson7300 Germany is not a completely sovereign country, including the German media, which is also part of the hegemony of American public opinion.
keep hiding behind the truth
US: You cannot buy our chips!
China: We will not buy your chips.
US: You cant do that!
We lie, we cheat and we steal.- USA
US: we are de-risking, not de-coupling with China.
China: Allow me to help out.
Dream on. Dictator Xi walks a fine line. He wants power (see similarly minded dictators like Saddam, Putin, Mussolini, etc.), and he wants to harm the U.S. However, Dictator Xi also does not want to risk losing power by destabilizing China's economy. If America stops importing goods from China, Xi is toast. Talk tough all you want, but Xi will do his best to not cross the line into a full-blown trade war.
"De-risk" is much more aggressive than "Decouple". It mean need to disable/ damage opponent till it is not risky.
Russia said need to "De-risk" Ukraine , start "special operation" in Ukraine.
Chine: we are not decoupling..we are just de-importing ..hehe
@Martin Murphy thanks American for selling the most steel ，oil to help Japanese running their war machine in WWII？
@@MartinMurphy-xu5pc美国可以在珍珠港事件之后对日本投降吗？😅美国人把盟友当宠物的习惯真的令人讨厌
China is helping US to expedite the de-risking. The US should say thank you and not scolding China instead.
the consumers should say thank you also, because the market will be flooded with micron drams.
🤣🤣🤣
@@MetaView7 Putting in supermarket we can have them for weekly on sale.
America: What? You dare to punish me, no, no, only I can punish others, you must be mistaken
China: Yes, I sanctioned you with your standards.
United States: No, I have new standards - China's regulatory methods are opaque and undisclosed
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I like that "sanction with your standard"... does it hurt?😂h
Once a bully always a bully. Tit for tat is great. Do not turn the other cheek.
China buying US chips.
US: National security risk, ban!
China stop buying US chips.
US: No China you can't do that!
Huawei say hello. ❤ 😂
@carlyaderson811
This is nothing, after China's EUV come out, that will be real storm.
@Carly Anderson Chinese are nice people..Chinese always want to help ..ha ha
@carlyaderson811decouple from the largest market in the world?! Are you on drugs?
@@alxdava2004 US politicans are indeed on drugs！
@@167mm167 I can confirm, avg chinese are more friendly and less aggro than avg amuricans
Finally, China learned some thing from United States called “ national security”😂😂
G7's de-risked
its called US de-risking
This is a few billion dollar hit to one company that will get made up in a year or two. I think we'll survive.
China has been busy mastering the British Empire's mercantalisim thus far.
@@tooltalk Britain method was war. China is trade.
The USA side should be pleased with the move because the US has already restricted chip export to China for several years.
Yea so ?
@@d.o.g573 so? Because US is crying about it now🙄
Micron lobbyist lobbied congress to sanction two of its Chinese competitors. China didn't ban Micron at all, China merely suggests companies not to use Micron chips in its infrastructure, it does not affect other electronic device.
It's fair game to play, China should play a bit more
Yea but the U.S. can sanction China. China cannot sanction the U.S. The U.S. owns China. Also, they only sanctioned a few specific chips. They can easily sanction all high end chips and collapse China's economy overnight. That is why it's funny to see China actually retaliate. This just gives reason to put their boot on China's neck and watch all the life leave them.
WHY? Because US has blacklisted more than 600 Chinese companies.
@@oldcat1790 And China is just beginning stay tuned.
and many Chinese tech Unis
So ?
The USA and the rest of the world have every right to do so.
Already Vietnam and African countries are filling the gap of Tschyna
@@d.o.g573 Vietnam is in China's pocket and so is Africa.
2000
Hard to swollow but it's fair for the chinese to do this since the U.S did the same to their tech companies.
Difference is Chinese side will survive and thrive once they developed their own tech while US will wilt as they lose the worlds biggest market.
in Chinese, this is called "you work on 1st day of the month, I work on 15th" ..ha ha
@@koonsiang0345 China will only serve its own market... the Western world didn't get to be powerful by buying Chinese... and it will continue to be powerful when the "de-risking" turns into full "de-coupling"!
NONSENSE... China has been banning/boycotting/censoring/subsidizing/stealing its tech industry for years! China started the trade war... just because the US has given up on trying to diplomatically deal with China and is now retaliating... it's hard to "swollow" nonsense comments like yours!
@@John-.-Smith China is the largest exporter of goods but the vast majority of those 100 countries you mentioned, have TRADE DEFICITS with China! And in case you didn't know, ultimately, China is going to be replaced as the world's manufacturing factory... China is an export economy... it depends on exporting it goods and now that is coming to an end! It's the reason why China RAPID ECONOMIC RISE is officially over!
You don't know but China does, ASEAN nations and others like India are going to replace China! But you'll use excuses and lies to deflect from China's imperial wet dreams!
US started doing this to China companies for years, which make this “tit for tat” reasonable enough.
Who startet the Trade War?
@@snifferking4330 Kim Don Trump
@@snifferking4330 The US
@@wayangpok Trump was the first American president to retaliate against China's trade cheating, stealing and lying... China started the trade war!
@@snifferking4330 America
China is helping the US with it's de-risking .😂😂😂😂
No worry. It's just the beginning. All American companies (like Boeing, GE, GM, Ford, Starbucks, McDonalds, Coca cola, Microsoft, Apple, Tesla) will finally get their "safety".
@@xuchen4012 it's Possible the world is changing
@@xuchen4012 Boeing is crying for orders from China, so 😂
Hey, if the US wants to split with China, what can the Chinese do? It's a divorce.....Who wants to trade with an abuse partner anyway.
>>China is helping the US with it's de-risking
China should also ban all German cars that have Micron chips.
they did, it's 200 US billion car cancel
Germany is also trying to de-risk with China, China should help Germany to speed this process, such as kicking BBA out of the Chinese market
With the popularization of new energy, the market share of bba in China has been declining year by year, and it is only a matter of time before the market is squeezed out without government intervention.
That is exactly what is happening right now.
No cheap Russian gas and no access to the Chinese market will be the ultimate suicide for the German economy.
What...perform hara kiri?
German: We lost everything, but freedom! So pride!
Why Germany need Russia Gas ?
because there were so many big manufacturing in Germany,
BUT, they have moved to China , there are full of low cost Russia Gas ..ha ha
Well we in germany didn't have a recession yet. And what you said is specifically the reason why germany won't decouple from china. We will keep trading with them. We only don't want to get as*f*cked again if some dictator goes on a rodeo like last year. This is not about freedom over money. This is about safety.
@keyboardemperor1112US: We can offer some cheap gas on the global market. Germany chooses to buy it until sources outside of russia have established supply lines.
US banned Huawei for same reason, so why China can't do the same? China has national security concern too.
Because when they do it, it's the good guys, when China does it, it's the evil ones. Double standards.
@@PhilippBlum When US and it's allies sanction China, they call it "deterrence", but when China does the same thing, they call it "coercion". I guess many countries are tired of western Imperialism, and finally China is fighting back.
But my security is more important than your security.
US banned Huawei in order to protect Apple's position in the US as the dominant cell phone. There are a few other Chinese cell phone brands available in the US but they are available because they are no threat in the US market.
@@jesusaguilar4585means america is controlled by corporations not people
US ban Huawei, west world: we echo. China ban micro, west world: coercion!
It was five years ago that US picked ZTE and Huawei and banned them as much as they could. There was much speculation at the time China would retaliate on US companies like Apple and Tesla, but they never did.
Now the Chinese decide that their memory chip manufacturing is strong enough so that they can ban Micron. What we see are well-calculated steps that China take to both grow their own chip manufacturing and hit back when they see fit. China see companies like Apple and Tesla as their friends (for the time being) and treat them differently.
>>Now the Chinese decide that their memory chip manufacturing is strong enough so that they can ban Micro
@@tooltalkKorean phones were not forced out, they lost competition. Europeans remember that before Trump banned TSMC for producing chips for Huawei, Huawei phones had higher market share than Samsung in Europe. They were simply better.
Micron’s current market share would probably be taken by Chinese firms because US doesn’t allow Korean firms to pick the market left by Micron.
chinese YMTC will produce the memory chip in china. indeed calculated retaliation. now china will not buy Boeing, corn, and memory chip from US. that's billions of income loss for US.
They never did it because they weren't at the "self-reliance "stage yet. With Micron, the Chinese can make whatever Micron makes. Xi is always stressed about China self-reliance. Once China achieved this, Western companies became useless to them.
Because the Chinese Government is not to be trusted by the US, or anyone really. Do you think President Xi would let every cell phone in China run on US equipment? China just got caught with police stations in the US. They declared war on us long before Trump. China's wealth eas built on US dollars.
US: Though I made thousands of sanctions to you, how dare you to make one sanction to me!
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China: please...just let me put 1 sanction on you ..
Micron is No.1 for US,not last one
To be fair, this sanction also showed US sanctions failed, and they failed right as China's just getting started.
China is helping US firms do what they don’t have the will to do themselves.
Yes, USA wants to decouple with China. China helps USA to finish this process as soon as possible.
The US politicians want to decouple. The US businesses, not so much.
@@mrsam0496 US businesses were given tremendous incentives ($$$) by the Chinese government to invest in China. They want those same incentives ($$$) from the US government to leave. Japan realized this and set up a fund to assist Japanese firms in relocating and over 1700 Japanese companies took advantage of those funds and left.
>>China is helping US firms do what they don’t have the will to do themselves.
US: We are not decoupling, only de risking
not a big deal for China. China is also just giving appropriate response.
US sanctioned 600 Chinese businesses and China only sanctioned Lockheed Martin, Raytheon and now Micron. There is 597 more American businesses for China to catch up on their sanction list.
Well done China👍👍👍👍
Gang of 7 most indebted countries want to decouple while 150 countries are now participating in BRI. 🤔
Sure thing, “Johnny”
Lol bri not doing so well
and BRI is getting better and better.
that's what Xi said.
Jealousy is your hallmark.
China out! Raus!
You mean the BRI that is causing economic collapse in developing countries while china continues to suck up money designated to help developing nations?
The logic of King USA & 6 old eunuchs: " The reason we hit you is to protect our national security, so it is our right! You have to stand still while we hit you! And you can't fight back, you can't block, you can't yell, you can't run, you can't say no! And We're gonna get the others around you to join the beating too ! Remember you can't fight back! Finally, you are responsible for the medical expenses, settling-in allowance, transportation expenses of the people who beat you! If you don't pay, you have no remorse and sincerity! Do you understand? ”
6 Eunuchs 😂
👍
But China took Germanys money in the past readily - didn’t they ??
Or the Gang of 7. 6 Old Eunuchs 😂😂😂
Keep it up China, I hope every corporation is watching
The world saw how West treated the Huawei.
Western economies are doomed now.
Ask Huawei
US sanctioned hundreds of Chinese companies, the world is watching too.
@F. There's a difference between state-run companies that have their entire business model based on stealing the intellectual property of western companies, and western companies.
Yeap, theyre watching anxiously right now while praying for their government to stop shooting their own leg just to please their master😁
China is also 'de-risking' by not buying from the West.
They should de-risk those luxury products too.
1. Depending what markets.
Difference between latest high end technology or production lines.
2. Yes Germany cooperated more with South Korea for example.
We German must remain loyal and obedient to the Anglo-American Empire
Nice try wu Mao bot
@@diollinebranderson6553 cia sl@ve
@@LaowaiDaveJCP wu Mao bot
USA: Good German! Good Slaves for Anglo-American Empire!
But isn’t that the truth? Look at the ukraine war. Every time Scholes draws a red line, a call from White House would get a retraction or acquiesce. Look at nordstream and resulting deindustrialisatioj of Germany. Germany will join in the sanctions of G7 and start moving their industries out of china months only after they decided to relocate to China. Harbeck will demand it!
Now China is decoupling and US are saying no no no we were bluffing. Please don’t decouple us. We need you to produce goods for my people.
Go ask Huawei😂
Huawei=CCP spywear
Well done china 🇨🇳
Micron's storage system itself is not a particularly irreplaceable high-tech. The market competition is greater than the market monopoly, storage belongs to the buyer's market.
When the United States clamors for the reorganization and decoupling of its supply chain, the reorganization of its customer and market relations is an inevitable result.
Yeah, there's a reason why they didn't dare touch our CPU or GPU designers. They are a decade behind us in high end semi design.
Micron's DRAM business is a commodity business -- and a distant #3 -- but that's not the point here. There are only three major players in this chip segment -- Samsung, SK Hynix, and Micron. And they collectively own 95% of the market and none of them necessariliy China's best allies.
@@tooltalk maybe you are right. But if I do not use DDR5, but only adopt DDR3 or 4. What is that market shares? If people change the requirements for a certain indicator, you may even find that some particularly dazzling monopoly technologies are actually of little value. Such as I don't necessarily have to buy a mobile phone with a super large capacity.
this is not decouple ..it is just de-risk..OR de-buy ..ha ha
@@Pietrofs75f you’re building a PC for yourself for menial use DDR3 is fine, but the risk to China is competitiveness in selling consumer electronics which if their bread and butter. Why is a consumer or a business going to buy a product with a technology that exited production almost a decade ago? It would need to be rebooted, and demand less than commodity prices. The real result will be Westerners paying very high prices for western products and China fetching nothing much at all unless they can reach parity.
😂why? National security. The reason U.S used to ban 1000 Chinese companies.
Micron's 5200 and 5200 series SATA SSD hard drives for the data center market were found to have security vulnerabilities, and Micron later confirmed the problem.
《Micron Statement on Potential Industry Vulnerability in Optional ATA Interface Command
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are u saying, the SSD harddisk may send data to CIA/FBI ..through internet, starlink ??
yup, whiile micron addresses the reported vulnerability, the ban only applies to 'key critical' chinese infrastructures. not an action taken in aftermath of g7 as dw suggests😂. dont think impact to its revenue would be any more then 10% but micron must address the vulnerability quickly before loosing more customers.
@@167mm167 Maybe it's because a firmware bug or update can cause data loss or lockup, I'm not sure what the review is about.
@@One_For_All Loosing data is not so critical. Modifying data is worse. The statement says only authorized user can send this command that enables the attack. Still, it might not be hard to “authorize” a user if the password is very simple for example.
These are issues that can be remedied unlike CCP spyware that sends data to them. One us a bug the other is intentional spying.
No it's a valid ban. If I'm a Chinese company using micron chips. Then suddenly usa bans micron from working with me. I'm screwed and need to redo my entire product line. It's a good way to derisk my supply chain. Unless usa can give assurances they won't ban Micron from working with chinese companies,it's risky to keep non-critical suppliers in critical supply chains.
So china is de-risking against US.😂
That is why you dont have a factory.
This is nothing that entrepreneurs are not used to deal with in China.
Why would you rely on one vendor? But now China has its own maker of memory chips they can ban all competitors. They’ve been doing this before the trade war.
@@kaym7704 "They’ve been doing this before the trade war."
You mean China?
Can you give specific examples?
I want to know more about it.
@@Ateshtesh since you have been living under a rock, China bans Facebook, Google, etc.
The difference between d risking and decoupling it's just like the alternative fact.
Good move, next restrict rare earth exports to the West.
Lolz yeah and sell it where? Amazon jungle or Antartica?
@@zaf7794 Russia lol
@@zaf7794 You think China don’t have the money or capacity to haul it for future use?
Some research would tell you China has at times done that because of either real short supplies or just flexing their muscles.
@@RespectOthers1 no they dont
@zaf7794A merican going cry like Lil girl without those rare minerals!!😂 Gm and Ford sit there and rot!!😂 without those!!
Why is DW not reporting about the US destroying Nord Stream 2 ?
China should de-risking from Boeing, forever
Correct , Boeing can be remote control by U$A.
MH370
China has stopped buying Boeing.
EU should be happy to see America business decoupling from China,less competition for business contracts in China, such as China have been buying airbus over boeying exclusively.
good point
But EU has nothing compete on this memory chips. Because industry is monopolized by US and its vassal, Korea which in reality is again US setting up factory in their name.
But US does not allow European manufacturers to sell to China as well.
Trade war definitely benefits EU, EU shall be audience to watch this show while acting in behave of European interests.
@@alexlo7708 The thing is, this gives incentive for EU ...or other countries to invest in chip R&D that does not use US technology. So not only Chinese companies are doing this kind of research, other potential suppliers are also doing this kind of research. It might take a while but you'd imagine this "collective effort" to bypass the US sanctions will eventually get there.
China can use its indigenous memory chips from YMTC, which is superior to Micron. That's why China can ban Micron in the first place.
DRAM and NAND, do you even know the difference? They don't teach you that in wumao boot camp?
@@tooltalk ignorance is not the capital of pride. Changxin Storage can produce drams, while Yangtze River can produce NAND, which can only prove your ignorance of China
@@tooltalkcope harder
@@tooltalk I don’t know the difference and it doesn’t matter as long as what they have is all they need. Stop crying about the difference 😂
@@billinsf88 :LOL. it matters because YMTC only makes NANDs and their entire gobal market share is only 5%, nowhere enough to cover China's own demand. If South Korea who owns 70+% stops selling chips, China is royally screwed. Now, don't piss in your pants and go cry on the corner.
Economic first rule says customer is always right.
2nd rule says customer helps us put food on the table..
3rd rule says we hv to be attentive to customer’s requests..
4th rule, 5th rule..says..
Last rule says if customer is wrong, please refer back to 1st rule..
USA first rule say ..USA is the boss
USA 2nd rule say ..USA is the boss
USA 3rd rule say ..USA is the boss
..
USA xx rule say ..USA is the boss
..ha ha
It’s really sad that German doesn’t learn from the previous mistakes.
You obviously do not get the difference between Russia and China in terms of their interactions with Germany or the west in general.
German should kick the US out but I'm afraid the US control every bit of German government and bureaucracy
Germany isn't a sovereign country. They're an occupied vassal.
@NK C
Germany has not gut when Nord Stream were bombed by Joe. They never learn Joe is deinstitutionalized and exporting risk to Germany.
@@k.k.c8670 it doesn't matter if he understands their relationship with Russia. What he does understand is a thing called suicide and that's what Germany is doing. BRICS is the future. G7 is old news even India knows this and that's why they don't want to leave BRICS.
The Yanks are getting a taste of its own medicine 👍🏽👏🏽
Where did DW get this man from? He is so balanced in his analysis unlike other "Chinese experts" who specialize in parroting thier own political payers' views.
He’s from Oxford! They have a reputation to maintain.
China is supporting G7 to de-risk...timing couldn't be more perfect...better late than never !!!
There will be more to come. Wang Yi had mentioned China will not be sucking up punches without counter punching and be crabbed at without clapback
As expected China is copying sanctions from US playbook.i think in this instance China will not be unhappy to be accused of copying.
In a positive way, you could say it is "learn"
In a negative way, you could say it is "copy"
Keep crying!!!😂
Brandon bot
Our company is so grateful to China for being responsible and having warned of remote exploits in american made storage technologies.
China: How dare you do exactly what we do! …blacklisted!
U misspelled United Snakes bruh🤭😂🤣
Or maybe u just came out from a cave yesterday and dont know what huawei and tiktor are (and what happened to them)🤭
The logic King USA & 6 old eunuchs: " The reason we hit you is to protect our national security, so it is our right! You have to stand still while we hit you! And you can't fight back, you can't block, you can't yell, you can't run, you can't say no! And We're gonna get the others around you to join the beating too ! Remember you can't fight back! Finally, you are responsible for the medical expenses, settling-in allowance, transportation expenses of the people who beat you! If you don't pay, you have no remorse and sincerity! Do you understand? ”
Only the US can illegally invade countries, sanction free. Let’s see China do that.
@@sintijonosintijono1103 Ameri-c-u-n-t-s
this is good opportunity for competitors to increase their market.
And the western company will soon lose half of their market🤭
Unless they're willing to take a stand and stop being a "good boy" to the united snakes🙂
Well done China !!!
For the same action,
USA: ok
EU: ok
China: not ok
Because micron is not manufactured in China, and China has its own local industry to replace it
With resources from Russia and Africa and market in Asia and globally, I think china will do just fine without the west. The opposite is detrimental
Where do you think a majority of the total wealth in the world is located? Over 75% of that total wealth is concentrated in the West, Japan, S. Korea and Australia. Have fun fighting over the last 25%
@@Nesstor01 japan and korea aint west plus non western economies are growing faster than western countries
@@andia968 Japan and S. Korea aren't Western but they are western align. Those 2 will easily choose USA over China any day of the week.
Edit - hard to grow when you're already at the top.
@@Nesstor01 A "tremendous" wealth that was built upon huge economic debt bubbles. Please first deal with your 30 trillion USD debts properly then claims your wealth. If you say "over 75% of that total debts is concentrated in the West", that would be more reliable.
@@Nesstor01 Not anymore.
Hey it is just de-risking by China! What's your problem? Do you not know what de-risking mean? China must do more de-risking in the name of national security from here on. Well done China! Protect your citizens first.
If China would protect their people then the CCP would have to step down tomorrow…
Also US to China: don't fuel the Ukranian conflict with weapons supply - only US and its dependants can do it 😂
CCP is welcomed to send arms to Ukraine 😂
@@jeremytine r u sure?
@@jeremytine by who?
Also China to us: don't fuel Taiwan issue with weapons supply
Us to china: sends weapons to Taiwan.
@@amossutandi and in both cases US is protecting a small guy against the aggression of a larger one.. always the right thing to do
*China🇨🇳 have border disputes with Taiwan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, India, Bhutan, Japan, Vietnam, Philippines.*
make border agreement & keep peace!
Another perspective. Japan have boarder with china /Russia /South Korea.
wow and yet zero shots fired unlike the collective west they fly to other people's borders and drop bombs on women and children. Amazing accomplishment from China.
yes, these conditions will never happen to America, because America will send its navy to bomb these countries.
lying
The west talking
china acting
🤣🤣🤣
Chinese tech companies has recently developed a superior DRAM chip and it is more efficient and better than what is currently available on the market. NO reason to buy generation chips from Micron that will become obsolete. China is just using politics as a tit for tat but in reality it is to allow their Chinese tech company to sell the newly developed DRAM chip to the commercial and consumer market. They are still behind on certain manufacturing of semiconductors but certain sectors are catching up and surpassing what the world has in terms of electronics, Another example would be their Chinese space station. It is smaller that the ISS space station but has more functional and usable space because the technology is newer or more advanced.
Same question why usa ban huawei?
What is the name of the TV host?
Good for China reminding us exactly why we are decoupling.. no derisking from them.
We started this.... and tell me what the difference is between derisking and decoupling?
@@GetFochDthey militarized the South China Sea by building artificial islands by dredging up coral reefs.
@@SeeLasSee
Which has nothing to do with Europe and USA.
Do it. Do not let me know you buy Chinese products
US started this, so US and it's allies can keep decoupling because China is doing the same against them.
Next ,all the PC and Cellphone can not enter the Chinese market with Micron's products.
Why not?
De-risking..... de-risking ......
How can you give up 1.4 billion consumers? If you can't, then there will be always risk. For an example Just look at CHINA vs. AUSTRALIA fight.
Wannabe CCP 🐕
"De-risk" is much more aggressive than "Decouple". It mean need to disable/ damage opponent till it is not risky.
Russia said need to "De-risk" Ukraine , start "special operation" in Ukraine.
Not tit for tat at all. Micron has been aggressively lobbying in the US to ban competitors like Yangtze Memory and also caused US Exim to cancel a loan to another Chinese company. Micron deserved this.
The bully gets angry when the victim fights back.
The world's biggest knock off artists are worried about a security review lol projection.
De-risking is just Wests attempt at wanting to have the cake and eat it too, simple. 🤷🏻♂️
China is actually helping the west to de-risk.
China will stop selling low margin, labour intensive consumable goods and at the same time China will stop buying high margin western (mostly European) cars and high end fashion products.
Western products usually cater to the rich people so the rich Chinese will choose Chinese products while Chinese products are usually for the average person (good value for money.)
Western countries can start to send factories to SEA or South Asia while Chinese companies will take over the high profit margin sector dominated by west in China.
Both sides happy.
no, west will not last if losing supply from china, because EU and US has no capacity to manfufacture anything, the whole supply chains are from china, from materials to parts to finished product, s, also china does not buy EU cars at all, those german cars are not from germany, but has jonit venu in china, its a domestic manufacture of china paying tax to china, so its not from west, also those oil car is on decline in china market, NOW its day of EV, not oil car any more, BYD dominates chinese market today, also its another wrong you say EU has high end product, no, EU and US has no any high End product china needs anmore, and most chips are from TW and south korea, not US, EU has no chips, also the china export to EU and US, 75% of products are high to middle end products ranging from eletrconic products such as computers ,sensors,.. and all electrial and mechanical products and metal steel product,,,,, and rare earth and baterries, as well as chips, china is 3rd largest chip maker in world, ,,,,,, china does not produce low marin labor intenensive anymore, those are now from vietnam and indonesia and mexico, china does not want any polluting and low added value industry in the country any more, but china still owns all supply chains, 80% of factories in vietnam are owned by chinese companies, and 100% production material textures are supplied from chinese companies , so EU and US wont befinites
they can't send factories to SEA or South Asia, bcoz they don't even own those factories. They just place orders to Chinese factories. China is moving low end manufacturing factories to Belt & Road countries
I don't think China can just transition from low margin to high margin manufacturing so easily. What's more likely to happen is as Western countries decouple from China, Chinese goods will become even cheaper than they are now. This will increase consumption within China which will raise living standards for the Chinese in exchange for a decrease in exports without the Western market. However, lower prices also means lower margins, thus lower savings and lower investment. If this happens, we might see a slow down in BRI and China transition from an investment led economy to a consumption based economy.
@@IncrediblyStupidName 🤣🤣🤣🤡🤡🤡🤡
Mexico is going to boom it seems
Decoupling the US and the world will be a good place to live
Why US banned huawei?
In China, some people prefer to fire their boss before their boss fire them.
You still think Micron is the boss to China?
In Germany, some people prefer to endure pain when the Anglo-Saxon empire is bullying them 😂😂😂
The Chinese government's punishment does not include the consumer market, but focuses on the critical information infrastructure, which Micron's share is not high. Major suppliers of such facilities, such as Huawei, ZTE, and Inspur and other communication equipment, server, and supercomputing suppliers, have long been included in the sanctions list by the United States, so this punishment is more symbolic.
check the market share in the end of this year. you will understand you are totally wrong
And people in china will not buy any Micron products any more.
You might want to look up something called "Network Access License", turns out China consider the internet to be critical information infrastructure and require every device connected to internet, that means phones and modems to obtain an NAL. Wanna guess if they'll grant NAL to new devices containing Micron chips?
This is a Chinese statement. All Micron users related to China will not take the risk of using Micron products. I will check my suppliers to ensure that Micron chips are not used
Of course de-risking is not the same as decoupling in the same manner that democracy is not hypocrisy.
That’s is why communism is the better form of leadership ? 😂
Yeaaaah right
@@d.o.g573 what works for China is non of your business given they don’t invade countries to conform to their system like democratic countries. Where are you from? I can share your country’s history with you😆
Why asking why? China already stated national security reason.
Just like the United States.
The point is: I don't care if the USA and China want to have an economic conflict or other conflict of any kind. That's why we maybe should leave NATO all together.
And just focus on doing business with anyone who wants to do business. If the EU goes more towards NATO, there are other countries people and especially companies can move to.
India is neutral, South Africa is neutral. And those are also growing economies as well.
>>That's why we maybe should leave NATO all together.
Dude, it's the US that wants war...who keeps screwing around with Taiwan which is 80 clicks off of China's coast? Does China mess around with US neighbors? NO! They don't!
@@tooltalk No, NATO.
Funny how Micron wasn't a security risk until Chinese chips got banned in the US. Maybe it's something else 🤭
yeah, they have every right to retaliate
@@xinyiquan666 Exactly. Tit for tat
Why not!
Funny, how huawei wasn’t a security risk until she lead in 5 G , maybe it’s something else 😀
Since there was never any evidence about the Huawei security allegations and the accusations came from Donald Trump, there is 100% chance it was a lie. Joe Biden knew it was a lie but he ran with it because that fit his objective. Joe Biden and many people in the US and Europe have been very unhappy to see a non white country has a spine to say no to them.
The Chip match has kicked off.
存储芯片是可替代的，先进的运算芯片无法替代。
@@suryaprasanth9105 It will take at least 8 years for China to become independent。
This is a war of economic independence。
I would do the same as China if I were in her shoes. Must always stand up against the Matrix's bullying.
US: bans ZTE
China: bans Micron Chips
US: *Pikachu face*
' I Started A Joke ' but the joke was on me.
Why complain - China is doing exactly what you always want it to do - namely de-risking the supply chain. More importantly, China is following the same actions that the US has done to ZTE and Huawei.
If Canada sent chineses students home from universities, They would all close. We need China, but not Russia, I never saw made in russia on anything good.
Sure kid, Russian refined uranium supplies 25% of the US's nuclear reactors, up until recently the US relied on Russian made rockets to ferry astronauts to space, Russian weapons, Boeing planes are made from Russian aluminium and titanium ingots. Even today, the US and EU buys Russian crude and gas, and uranium....
Without Russia selling, china could not produce so much. Like Canada's steal to China. Canada, Russia will be Asia for the chinese and middle east megacitys.
If DW put "China" in title of every story released, we might get permanent viewership from the 50c army. Nice to see the troll army interacting on European channel, in such active manner
It’s easier to list them this way…so nice of them isn’t it ?!
But you don’t mind your own CIA bots? Double standard much?
US bans Huawei, China bans Micron. Sounds fair to me
Now they calling China 🇨🇳 but they won't answer the phone.
There is no bite to this bark. They are only restricting their use in major infrastructures, which is not a big deal.
G7 should improve their legacy until they can . Time is running fast
Decoupling verses derisking
Decoupling is pretty straight forward. Rehoming you manufacturing 1st & foremost. Deincentiving investment in China. Mostly eliminating business with China.
Derisking is some of what's involved with decoupling by moving technology or multi sourcing things that could be used to blackmail you into submitting to terms you disagree with.
Personally, I'd decouple from their economy as China uses its profits from doing business with the west to undermine the west.
I don't think you get it, decoupling isn't in your control, China is decoupling with you regardless if you decouple or de-risk, and China actually have the industry, domestic market and trillion $ trade surplus to decouple.
Your choice isn't between de-risk or de-couple, your choice is if your survive or perish when China decouples with you.
Yes, you want to decouple from China, but can you decide now. Americans are shouting and shouting over there, but they and European capitalists are still desperately investing in China. Get rid of the Chinese market and they die, or continue to cooperate with China and achieve mutual benefit. Everyone is well aware that continuing economic cooperation with China is a chronic death for Western countries, but with the global economic downturn, Western capitalists also need to survive. Do you think the country is important or their money is important in the eyes of capital? Don't be silly. Wait and see, the West will inevitably be greeted by the slowly declining West and the slowly rising West. You roar but feel helpless.
ban us product, then slowly remove usd for local currency in some asia region
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What is the problem? Is it not the Collected west trying to "derisk" or decouple" from China? In fact China is doing exactly what the collected west is trying to do by cutting out Micron.
Its only fair for China to cite National Security threat. China has learnt from USA, well, what do you expect!! China needs to give USA a dose of its own medicine. Bitter right?
Everyone, what is the price of your SSD now? Look at what price last year? And the Samsung factory will never have a fire again! I Why？？？
Japan and Korea probably not read the case of Toshiba Japan and what happened to Toshiba and Japan from USA actions
Those countries are white washed. They love their abusers
Good job China! 🎉
Thats what US said in G7 economic coercion and thats what Beijing did now.
US did it as section all over the world.
The term economic coercion doesn't apply to the US.