Don't bother growing tomatoes any other way! This trellis system is the BEST and CHEAP.
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- Опубліковано 29 чер 2020
- We've tried lots of tomato growing systems over the years (anyone else remember those topsy turvy tomato commercials???), but this is really the best! Shoutout to Josh Sattin over at Sattin Hill Farms (we love watching his channel!) for this method.
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Set your T-posts at the end of your growing beds to establish rows, use PVC connectors on the top of the posts, and run your conduit between the posts. Now that you have a strong structure, string up your tomatoes to keep even the wildest indeterminate varieties under control. Training your plant up keeps good airflow, keeps pests down, allows you to access for easy pruning, and sets your plants up the success!
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The only video I found explaining suckers and pruning that made sense without 20 minutes of filler!
I came here to learn about a cool trellis, I left understanding suckers and proper pruning. And a cool trellis. Great video!
Really good of you to give credit for where you got this idea. Josh wasn't the first, but at least you're giving credit to your source.
Issues: 1)When I tried a similar system in Albuquerque, the tomato vines grew so long that I had no place to train them to once they reached the conduit. Today, I'm thinking cattle panel arches or tunnels. That would give each vine 16 feet - up, over, and down the other side. 2) Thanks to the type of pruning you suggest, I had lots of plants & lots of heavy tomatoes! My conduit sagged in the middle under the load. However, I may have used only half inch whereas you suggest 3/4". I cudda tried that the following year, but I got crazy & used plumbing pipe. Super strong enough but way more expensive and still had the length issue. 3) I used what appear to be the same white clips you're using. NM sun so brutal, the plastic clips grew brittle and many of them broke, especially any that I tried to move or re-use. Many didn't last the season & none lasted more than one. 4) Same for the white string. Many simply snapped under the weight as my vines grew heavier and heavier with tomatoes. Brightly colored nylon(?) boat rope f/WalMart worked better. It's way thicker than I'd have liked, but I was able to poke 6-10" strips of old t-shirts in between the fibers of the rope. I used them to loosely tie the vines to the rope. Now I've moved 3 states over, I've gotta start from scratch. I'm thinking that with cattle panel arches, I'd still need the cloth strips, but not the string or rope, yes? I'm also thinking, whoa, buddy, cattle panels are expensive!!! Plus, a real challenge to transport. So, I dunno. Maybe your system, but with two rows, 10' apart, and connected (like clotheslines) across their tops by boat rope?!?! AIEEE!! Makes me wanna give up gardening. Lol. I guess the obvious solution is cut the vines and don't allow them to grow past the conduit. But then, why grow indeterminants? Sorry. Too long. Bye now.
The tomahook allows you to unravel, so the stalk will coil down on the ground. This gives you "infinite" height in a way.
The plastic clips definitely don't last too long. Unfortunately, the compostable kind break even faster.
For really heavy tomato varieties, I wouldn't recommend this method. For indeterminates, you could use a cattle panel trellis or arch since it's stronger. For determinates, a cattle panel cage like this works well: ua-cam.com/video/4WnEGT70fQw/v-deo.html But yes they're tricky to transport even with a truck.
Most important part is to keep learning and experimenting which you're doing! :) Maybe even try two or three methods with the same variety and find what works best for you.
I used cattle panels, vertical 4x8. I had to use the panles to fence around my little garden. I will try vertical trellis with PVC structure (I know it sounds flimsy but I did a 8W x 5H with a post in the middle, I am thinking either use a trellis mesh or vertical I havent decide yet. Cattle panel was good, I am 5'11 but still wants something I can reach with my hands without a ladder, just because ergonomics, I dont have a big ladder or it will be difficult to move one around in my little garden
If you use hooks at the top of the trellis, you just unhook them when they reach the top and move one space over. Repeat as needed. Then all your tomato vines can grow at a diagonal, looping around the trellis as needed.
Thank you so much for this video. I haven’t had a garden in a long time and had forgotten a lot. Your video is a Very helpful insight to what needs to be done to tomato plants as they grow. Thank you so much again!
Just did this yesterday. Found your video today. I like how you used the string clamps on the base of the plant. I tied the strong to landscape nails/spikes.
I use that system and love it. Last year I had tomato plants over 7 feet high.
Yeah, that's how I do it too. I have goat fencing around the veg garden and used a piece of that over the top to tie my strings to. I tried plastic clips to hold the vines but am going back to cloth because with the heavy winds we had, the stems broke off with clips. They didn't break with cloth. TFS
It helps when doing this outside to run a string horizontally to stop the wind from blowing them around.
Simple, cheap and effective. Great system. Thank you for sharing this.
Thanks for watching! If you use a system like this, we'd love to see it. You can tag us on Instagram or Facebook :)
Omg, thank you! This is the simplest, shortest video explaining the technique and essential tips. I've watched many videos trying to learn and I have a short attention span. Lol. Gosh, thank you!
Interesting method of trellising. We may have to give that a try next year. Thanks for sharing!
Using those PVC T's is a great idea for making these trellises. I've always bent the EMT so that I have a horizontal piece and two legs, to which I attach straight pieces of EMT so that I have the appropriate height. The legs are inserted into 3/4 inch PVC attached to the sides of my 4 foot-square wooden beds.
Bending the EMT has always been problematic - it can be challenge to bend it so that it is close to the correct width. However, once it's done, these types of trellises last forever.
Your method is much simpler and it looks like it would work just as well for me. In addition, removing and storing these trellises looks easier and more efficient.
Thanks for posting.
Awesome system.. l learnt this system 20 years ago from a farmer in Ireland.. we did the same for the cucumbers..Thanks for sharing
Your welcome!
We really like this system and will implement it from now on.
Perfect explanation of why the suckers need to be removed. 👍 I use a similar system, and just tweak it a little every season. Works well..
First time gardener and i trellised my San Diego seed co. Large cherry tomatoes the same way and there 5ft tall already with 4-5 fruit sets growing on each already. 👍 works great for sure. Thanks for the quality seeds.
topkinginer thank you for being a valued grower! Post photos of your cherries. We want to see them!
Thank you for the info!
I like that trellis looks like a really good idea. I may give it a go this year!
I plan on doing this same system!
Nice concept for a system and very helpful!
I wish I would have seen this video a few months ago! Will definitely have to try it out in the spring.
Let us know what you think!
Love the calendar
love the pvc parts on this! Super easy!
It really is!
I root suckers occasionally; however, I enjoy adding tomato suckers and leaves to salads or dehydrate them for teas.
I was tying tomatoes up back in the late 60's for my friends greenhouse
Love this system!
Great video! Thanks for the information!
Exactly. Old school home gardener here; I'v been growing toms 60 years and this is an idea I haven't tried yet. Something so simple yet ingenious at the same time; I almost feel stupid. Thanx for sharing.
Always fun to try new techniques! Let me know how it goes
thank you just saw your video today saw another one a month earlier with tstakes and conduit with string but not those little clips in Canada though so won't be planting for another 4 weeks cheers
Good information I can use. Tx.
Outstanding information!!!! Plus,,,
This is a really clever idea.
Easy and best trellis system I have seen!!
Thank you! We can't take credit. It came from our friend Josh Sattin.
Sadly, several channels show the setup without tomatoes OR tomatoes that are strung WITHOUT SHOWING the procedure AS THE TOMATOES GROW - at least once...so people SEE what's being done, especially what's happening with the string AT GROUND LEVEL AND what is being done with THE STRING AT THE TOP, as the tomatoes grow. This was not helpful!
Wow I had the wrong idea about suckers - I was taking off the leaf below the sucker and leaving the sucker! This is great all around cheers
Happy we could help!
Excellent trellis tips and just in time as I was just about to invest in a similar method but using much more expensive materials. Also liked the 2-leader method and will try it on a few of my sets this year.
Here is an in-depth long video of the system. ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
Thank you for such valuable information!!!
Thanks for watching!
great idea thanks
Great video, I have been using a version of this system in my polytunnel for over 20 years, the bars of the frame are ideal for this sort of system.
That's great. Do you find it holds up in heavy rain and wind?
@@SanDiegoSeedCompany I do the same in my polytunnel and wind and rain aren't a factor. If anything, trellised tomatoes and cukes act as a slight anchor by exerting downward pressure on the purlin.
Awesome! Thank y'all
We just shot another video that is much more in-depth. Check it out! ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
This has become my favorite tomato trellising system too, after trying three other methods of trellising indeterminate tomatoes. You mention this works great with your row gardening layout, but I also use this method with my raised beds. I've also used this method for my pole beans. For one thing, once you get it set up, it's the lowest maintenance trellising system I've used. And it's *very* strong. The vertical stakes get strapped onto the sides of the bed and anchored into the adjacent ground with rebar, and in the time I've used it, it has stood up to some very high winds and kept the plants firmly in place. They'll stand up to just about anything short of a tornado.
Love that! Raised beds deserve love too
Hi! I'm also growing in mixed raised beds, so your success story caught my eye. Gonna give it a go - tomatoes just getting ready for support in New England - For string - jute twine or did you go with something stronger? You grow cherry toms this way too? On the fence whether to prune cherry tomatoes and grow up leaders vs cage and let 'em go. Best!
What a brilliant idea. I'm in Australia, so we're just about at the end of Winter (shame we're not almost to the end of Covid too), so I'm going to give this a try. I have a large family, so I grow lots of tomatoes every year and I get so tired of banging wooden stakes in. And once the warm weather comes it's so easy to miss suckers and have your plants wasting precious grow time on them. Particularly if you grow a lot of tomato plants, their management can be quite time consuming.
Hi from Texas. Hope ur ok in Australia 🙏
You should’ve shown us HOW to tie the tomato and set you the trellis. Will be much more helpful
We clip it with a plant clip. We have a more detailed video here. Check it out! ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
Advice just in the nick of time!
@@SanDiegoSeedCompany the system you describe in that video looks nothing like whats in this video minus maybe the clip
Yeah, but you could figure it out, right? I mean, how hard could it be..
Imagine being a toddler and demanding someone explaining how to tie shoes in a demonstration about running
She's a keeper!
Awesome 👏🏻 awesome, thanks for sharing.
Very good thank you
Will give it a shot might make it easier to spray for root rot
Cool idea and cool hat ❤
Thks for trellis idea. I’m making several wide teepees….and laying a long lightweight yard branch across all those horizontally for strings. I used a long deck railing one year. That worked great too. Ahna usa
Oooo I like how that sounds too!
That's a good idea I live in San Diego to. You could probably use that system but run some lines horizontal for string beans. 😎👍
Yes, that's a great idea
Like…subbed. Just setting my no weed garden up now and I like your set up. Thanks.
Great idea
Thank you!
Great video thank you.
Glad you liked it!
For a video on the trellis system, you mostly talked about suckers and not how you have those strings tied at the bottom and how you get the plants around the strings I.E how the trellis system needs to be set up with the plants and used.
I agree, this "trellis" video veered off a bit. looking for a trellis solution for a new garden and this might work. I already have the post and clips...but would like to see more details about the set-up.... how was the string anchored ,how were the poles set up,etc
She made a very quick comment about just wrapping the plant around the string. I didn't hear anything about the anchor, I'm guessing just some kind of spike?
@@jrow84 Yes all left to people guessing
From what I have seen of similar trellis systems here in the UK, the string is planted under the rootball when transplanting the tomato seedlings. As the plant and the roots grow, the string is anchored in the soil.
@@SueSeacooks Yes had to go to another video to get information that this video should have provided
Did you know....
By the time you have your 7th truss of flowers, is when your first truss is ready for harvest 😁
Love that! Thanks for sharing
Very well explained. Thank you!
This is the best system for tomato supports I've seen yet. This will work for containers as well if you set the T post inside a piece of PVC that's been cemented inside a 5-gallon bucket . That way you can move your T post easily when you move your containers of tomatoes.
I like that idea!
Been doing that for several years now. 1 inch PVC in the greenhouse, homemade thing outside. Works awesome. 2 main differences: 1 I wind the plant around the string. It supports the plant without rubbing AND 2. figured this out finally this year. I usually drive the string into the ground but sometimes it pulls out easily. I ran a line between stakes at ground level and tied the vertical line to it. Only had to anchor it in a few spots. Doesn't pull out if it catches on my clothes or something.
Interesting that you can run 2 leaders. Gonna try that with a few. I have done that with grafted plants which grow fantastic but are expensive. Great if you don't have a lot of room. Glad I watched this.
We shot another video because so many questions came out of the first one. Check it out. ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html Love to hear your feedback.
great video. subscribed
For hornworms use a determinate tomato as a decoy. I had one ate the entire determiate tomato. The leaves are likely richer due to the short grow span.
This is a technique I wanna try, especially with specific heirloom tomatoes that I want quality over quantity but DIY concrete reinforcing wire tomato cages for lyfe!
If you are interested, we just posted a new video that is much more information about our low and lean method. You may find it helpful. ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
I grew tomatoes on a trellis this year and I'll never go back. I still put a few plants in pots, but they're hybrids and are early producers that don't get very big. Next year I'm going to let 2 leaders grow, because this year production wasn't as good as I hoped. No problems with bugs or diseases
Been doing this for years. 👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿❤
You are way ahead of us!
We have another video if you are interested. ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
Thank you, you just solved my tomato dilemma 😀
Happy to help!
Clever girl, I start this trick today..
Very nice
We just shot a more in-depth video if you want to learn more. ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
I just discovered you so I will definitely will be checking the seed company. I am northern CA so somewhat alike weather
That's fantastic! We hope you can help!
Here is a video we just shot that is more in-depth. ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
Additional tip that I plan on trying with a system like this....just bury the string under the tomato plant when you plant it. Then you don't need those plastic clips. Charles Dowding does this;)
Very cool
Suckers are cuttings that can grow into a whole new plant if you put them into water to grow some roots.
You are correct!
you can stick the suckers in the ground and they will root. It helps to clip off most of the top growth before sticking it in the ground. If you have the space you can easily plant a second bed with them. They are already mature plants, even if they are suckers so they produce quickly.
Yes, love using suckers! If you don't have the space, share with friends!
@@SanDiegoSeedCompany Might have to put them in a plastic pot for people to take them. Most gardeners i show it to dont believe it will root and produce.
I’d plant marigolds between the tomatoes to keep the hornworms away. I always plant marigolds with my tomatoes and never get hornworms. (zone 10)
Good call. Hornworms are something else!
I keep seeing numerous folks stating to plant Marigolds near the tomatoes, but I also read that Marigolds are magnets for red spider mites? Have you had issues with spider mites? I maybe be off the road here so I would greatly appreciate any insights you can offer, Thank You
This year I am going to grow Lavender & marigolds around my tomatoes. I recently read that the lavender keeps away what the marigolds don't. We will see. Last we only did the marigolds & didn't have but 2 hornworms. Got rid of them while they were quite small & that was it.
I miss the San Diego climate so much! Folks back in AL are shocked when I tell them I had tomatoe plants that lived for years, having blooms, green and red tomatoes on them at the same time.
It is amazing huh?
If you live in San Diego you drink filtered toilet water. Not so appetizing when you think about. I mean my own toilet water might be okay, but the rest of you maybe not.
Awesome
Helpful video thanks! Can you please tell me where you got your hat ?! Or the brand? It’s beautiful! 🌻
I found some clothes-drying racks, stainless for outdoor (duh) that are like an X on each end with two upper poles about 4' high. They are perfect for this system, and after the season you just fold them up and put them away. I use a trampoline anchor to keep them from tipping over in the wind.
Such a good idea! Love it
I watched your video cause I like your hat.
Hahaha 😝 hope that’s not the ONLY reason
LOVE THIS VIDEO,How far apart do you place your stakes?
It depends on your space and how many plants you are growing but about 9 feet is good (10 foot conduit with a little extra to hang over)
Wry informative. Thank you so much! Second year gardeners - clicked on the video because we are exploring different kinds of trellising for our garden. Learned some about that and a LOT about tomatoes that we will put into use this year. Last year (1st yr gardening), we grew very large tomato PLANTS 🌱... this year, we want to grow actual TOMATOES 🍅...lol
That’s great!! ❤️
After trying the Florida weave two years now and struggling with it each time, I’m trying this method next year.
All about trying out new things and finding what works for you :)
awesome video!!! I am going to try this method for my tomatoes this year!! as the old staking methos isn't doing so great hahahaha 😆
I posted an update video about it too just this month so be sure to check it out.
Sometimes we have heavy dry winds in Ramona, as you know? Wondering how this works at your Ramona farm? My area is exposed at present.
Loved the video, I have a question. Where does the string start on the tomato? Does it hook to the ground or do you start it 3 or 6 in on the tomatoes?
We clip it with a plant clip. We have a more detailed video here. ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
You look like a model for gardening. Beautiful in that outfit. Gorgeous garden as well. This is the good life. Your living the dream. Thanks for share. I'm hooked on gardening at age 52 now. Life's a garden DIG IT. Guru Joe dirtai
Great video, thanks. I think the only flaw in this system is that the vines of indeterminate tomatoes (especially cherry type) will outgrow the height of the trellis. Green house growers (myself included) use a lower and lean system to accommodate the vine growth. Having a solid top bar in your system isn't compatible with the lower and lean devices I've seen since they are designed to hook over a 9 gauge wire. You could use a wire in your system instead of EMT conduit if you somehow braced the end poles. Just an idea. I plan to use your system this year to trellis melons and train them to a single leader.
Hi! We use low and lean too- on the same system. Just hook tomahooks to a zip tie that is moveable on the conduit. It’s an improvement over this system for sure! Thanks for the great info. Here is an updated video : ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
I've found it easier to just terminate the growth when the vine reaches the top and then graft a sucker back into the base (or just force one to grow from a lower growth point) to reset the vine from the bottom.
I e never seen a double string used. Time to modify mine. Question; Are both strings adjustable in length?
Looks good. I wish you had described how you attached the string to the bottom of the plant though.
Thanks for the feed back. We have another video coming!
Here ya go! ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
Bury the string under the root ball. It will anchor itself as the plant grows.
Is this trellis method feasible in Kansas, it is very windy here and I am afraid that.
Hanging them would not be so good but I love the idea. I also fear that I won't get as many tomatoes if I don't let them bush out.
It would have been helpful if you showed us how you weave the tomato plant into the twine? Do you do a vertical Florida weave style within the two threads, or do you just use the two threads as if it was one thread, and clip the main stem to it as it grows?
Hey, there! You don't weave in this method. You use clips every foot or so up the main stalk to keep it growing upright along the line.
I did the same thing with an old trampoline safety frame . I knew it would be of use sometime . I drove four foot long wooden stakes into the ground then simply slipped the arch shape post over them . Total cost, zero. Eight foot high .
Heck yes! Love the creativity & reuse of materials
Have you ever used tomato hooks where as the plant reaches the top of the trellis/string, you can then unwind the string in order to lower the plant and continue upward growth? What do you do when the plant reaches the top? Do you top it off?
Here is our latest video where I really dig in deep into the low and lean method. ua-cam.com/video/tDL3McRkPbg/v-deo.html
How do you anchor those lines to the ground.. I see its wrapped around the conduit.
We use T stakes that go into the ground, then PVC T’s to connect the conduit to the T stakes. It’s very inexpensive and easy!
@@SanDiegoSeedCompany thank you so much for your reply. I'm down in Chula Vista, so I may need to try some of your seeds. Can we grow strawberries here?
@@yolandasotolopez you can!
@@yolandasotolopez they have clips that clip on to the tomato plant
....strawberries grow like weeds here in Ocean Beach, just make sure you protect them from slugs and snails.
Instead using PVC "t's" I cut 10" pieces of 1 1/2" PVC to place on top of t-posts. Drill slightly oversized holes in the PVC to put the EMT pipe through.
Nice! That sounds like a good take on it
Here in Minnesota I grow heirloom tomatoes and just let them grow. I get gallons and gallons of tomatoes off of them but a trellis system for someone who doesn’t prune is what I’m looking for.
Determinate varieties are perfect if you don't want to have to prune!
I try to work smarter not harder. Comes with maturity and experience done lots of little tests projects
I agree! Hence the reason we put all this work into this system. It makes it up in the long run ten times over!
What cool weather coastal tomato varieties do you recommendv!¿!??
I did the same...the tomatoes were sooooo heavy it bent the conduit pretty bad. Still the best trellis system yet for me as it is movable
Wow! Those must have been some hefty tomatoes! What do you do for fertilizing?
yup i take my suckers off and then plant the suckers in a small planter extends more fruit place in container and very wet soil and just stick that sucker in it will make roots and more tomatoes
Love it! Endless tomatoes :)
Hello
Loved the video but, can you please focus on a sucker. What it looks like so I’m not clipping off the wrong ones! Thx
Ken from N Cal.
Hi Ken!
We have some new videos coming out about pruning coming out next month (when my tomatoes are larger), but it can still be hard to see on video sometimes.
Check out our new ebook for some great info on suckers and all things tomatoes.
sandiegoseedcompany.com/gardening-guide-ebooks-to-help-you-grow/
Do you have a similar video from August?