Bachmann Warflat + Embarrassingly Bad Tank | Unboxing & Review
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A full review of the Bachmann Warflat wagon complete with the shoddiest tank model I've ever seen!
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0:00 Intro
2:24 Unboxing
5:03 Prototype info
5:40 Detail
9:27 Performance
13:30 Ratings
16:03 Final thoughts - Авто та транспорт
Oxford do some nice 00 scale tanks for under 15 quid. That tank looks like a fairground hook a duck prize.
For everybody who's interested (ie nobody!) the bull on the yellow rectangle is the insignia of the 11th Armoured Division.
Haha thanks for sharing!
The more you know!
Don't know why it has the white star if it is a British Army tank. Stick with the Sherman I say.
@@ianhaynes5898 Erm. Heard of the Allies? The British Army was a part of the Allied Forces. You'll find the 'Allied' star on virtually everything from 1944.
Well, probably never seen enough equipment of the 'Allies'. You are right of course, I did not know .
If you want a detailed tank model you're best just getting one of the 1/76nd Airfix kits (or a slightly out of scale 1/72nd). The existing tank would be better if it had a proper coat of paint and not just plastic colour.
That tank looks very much like a British Centaur, with the close support howitzer. The short gun barrel is typical of the weapon, and has a large counterweight to balance the gun, which has a very heavy breech. I've made many Cromwell/Centaur (same basic bodies, but different powerplants) tank models.
The turret was usually swung round for transport.
If it really annoys you, Sam, I have a really nice diecast Cromwell/Centaur you can have, that will really put the weight up.
Looks like a Comet to me .. Used to the Churchill's with the myriad of small wheels and the extra armour
@@andressanchez4517Comet had extra track return rollers, and the '77 mm' gun which was noticeably longer and had a muzzle brake
Yeah, definitely not a Comet. The difference between a Cromwell and a Centaur is largely down to the engine and some details that I’m not an expert on. I can say, though, as a wargamer that I’d not pay more than a fiver for that tank model.
That does seem to be a centaur, I own model tanks and honestly, those tracks and that plastic-finish makes me real mad. Especially considering how in real life, tracks were rather loose-fitting, but those are real tight. I really do prefer the Oxford rail Sherman, even despite it's lack of regiment markings.
Call it an A27L Cruiser Mk.VII Centaur IV CS (Close Support); apparently just over 100 of them were made and the type served from D-Day to VE-Day. Also seems that which engine was used in which hull at least in part determined whether AFV was called Cromwell or Centaur. Looks like that except for special versions such as this close support type, the Centaur tanks were stuck with staying home for training. As for this specific model of one, there is one over on the RMweb forum in an August 2023 post which looks quite nice after a bit of paint and weathering.
Doesnt look too bad to be honest, but i must say - yours are much better, more affordable and crazy yet blooming amazing! Great video sam!
The Tank would look much better with repainting and weathering, with a bit of a modellers touch up :)
the jacks as you called those in the detail pack.
are in fact a part of the lash down system.
you use chains to lash the tank or lorry, tractor down on the waggon.
its used on train ferrys to secure the waggons as well.
nice waggon from bachmann but the tank is cheap and nasty by design.
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No! They're Jacks that go under the buffer beam if you remove the NEM coupler. In real life, they are screwed down with packing against the rail head to prevent the wagon tipping or see-sawing during loading/unloading.
Great review Sam, I'm probably going to get one of these for my layout, because I'm really into that War stuff. Although I'll wait until the price comes down a little bit.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
You are correct Sam, that's either one of the Cromwell CS variants (close support variant with a howitzer) or Centaur Mk.IV (very similar related tank). The price does seem high for the quality of the tank, the tank looks very toy-like and not suitable for this model. They should've included a higher quality tank with more detail. I will say though I really like that magnet system for attaching the tank to the car. That's a great way to add more "playability", it's much easier to remove for unloading and displaying the tank separately than having the tank be screwed or clipped on. It's also more realistic because there's no screw holes and posts or clips sticking out of either model.
Decent review here sam, looks like quite a nice wagon and the inclusion of the tank while it may be embarrassingly bad it is quite nice, I remember seeing IC82 look at a wagon that was given to him and that also had a tank on it, if I remember the wagon he had though was different as it was a GWR well wagon, I also think that one he had had been custom made.
Bought the war flat with Cromwell a few years ago on E bay for £39.99. Like you, I was very disappointed in the Cromwell, so much that I repainted it to stop the light shining through the plastic!
You can buy the warflat without the Cromwell, which is what I did for the other 6. Found some clearance airfix Cromwell’s and Sherman’s, already made and painted, put magnets on the bottom and looks 10x better!
Hi sam, enjoyed this video, about the Tank if you are any good and build airfix models get the right size tank for it and paint and the detail transfers on and put so magnets on bottom and put the flat bed.
Like the price from Kernow.
Very nice my friend. Looks very cool. Keep it up my dude. Ur trains are the best
A good review as usual. I have 8 of them. It makes up a good train with a ROD 2 vans and 1 or 2 coaches for the tank crews. I bought mine when they first came out . Never had a derailment. WRT the tank they are held in place by the magnets which work well.
Awesome video Sam's trains
Hi Sam, I can understand the lightness of the tank. if you are going to pull 10+ of these wagons you do not want to overload the loco with added weight. As for the build quality of the tank. Not so great. But with a little bit of a repaint you get a reasonable version of a Cromwell. In comparison the 1/76 Airfix Cromwell tank kit costs between £13.00 to £15.00 depending where you look. So it depends on whether you really want to have to build numerous tank kits or just do a quick paint job. As mentioned earlier Oxford do make a Sherman and a Churchill for about the same price as the Airfix kits. But this is all extra expense when a little bit of painting would do. Unless you want Bachmann to sell the wagon without the tank. I cannot see Bachmann dropping the price by £15.00. Can you?.
Hi Sam, sorry I was late for the members wagons, I hope you received my email about it.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Great review sam, you are a great youtuber.
Great video sam. I am so jealous of your train collection and i wish i could start a model train collection
I got 2 of these from the Model centre for the same price as you paid, one with the 95mm howitzer (like yours) and one with the QF 75mm . You could replace the Cromwell with the Airfix model. It is more detailed and looks much better (and it is also 1;76 scale).
If one is not apposed to doing a little model building one could replace the included Cromwell with one of airfixes 1:76 Cromwell kits
Looks like the tank was assembled from an Airfix kit. Actually it might make an interesting weathering and detailing project to make it look a bit more realistic. Does look like a Centaur, I think, with the howitzer, rather than a Cromwell.
Airfix kits are a lot more detailed than that , although 50 years ago they did a range that was just moulded plastic - for pocket money prices
I have 18 of these, for different loads and kits I've made. The Cromwell tank ISN'T that bad, but the price is. I've only bought these around the £30 mark, anymore and it's too steep. The warflat itself I think is a nice model and I'm very happy with them. I agree with the lack of instructions as if you don't know about the jacks, then it's not clear at all. It's worth doing research into Warflats as they are very interesting with the way they were loaded
If you want a decent Cromwell tank Airfix to one in the correct scale for 12 quid or a Churchill Mk VII for seven quid or maybe you can pick one up at a discount from your local super-market. Only one thing you'll have to assemble and paint it, but at least you'll have a decent tank. Actually Airfix are still producing quite a few military models so you could build up quite an interesting wat train.
I still need to get some warwells. I am building a specific tank troop, and want to model them as being transported by railway.
I am considering doing a 2nd tank troop with different tanks, and if I can use shorter tanks like the cromwell, I can use warflats. But, they are too expensive for what they are...
Totally agree. I bought one and just chucked it away.
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Sam you are absolutely correct as the Oxford seems to offer much better quality "WARWELL + TANK" , rather than the "Bachmann poor quality over prized "WARFLAT + TANK". So your conclusion is correct.
Great video Sam, keep it up, karate Tim 🥋🇬🇧♥️.
It would be awesome if you could add the grade to the entry in the logbook. Maybe something like 6.21 Bachmann Warflat + Tank (E)
With some skill and effort, you could make the tank look much better. Some sanding, some filler putty on areas that need it, a repaint and some fresh decals.
I would guess it was necessary to support the wagon axles with those jacks when loading and unloading to avoid putting the entire weight of the tank on just one set of springs.
Just a guess - I could be completely wrong.
I remember seeing an M1 Abrams tank on a flatbed pack once. Quite good looking but probably more expensive.
Tanks very much for another great review Sam 😂
I think you should review the hornby car transporter
I have two of these and they are pretty good. Although the tank is a bit on the poor side.
They are quite hefty wagons but all those detail bits in the bag could do with a small information sheet.
The tank definitely lets this model down.
Airfix make a very nice 1/76 00 guage Cromwell. It would need assembly, but it would make an excellent replacement.
It comes in a set with the glue and paint as well. Might be a nice little project for a Sam video, then could be a railway load. I have a couple for that purpose.
Sometimes I wonder if Bachmann only cares about railroad stuff rather than all the important cargo that goes into them.
At the additional cost for the Bachmann, you could go and get 2 airfix kits and have some variation in loads....
Nice looking tank and wagon
What was the other wagon with the tank on it I’ve been looking for those for a while now or the one shown at 6:46 ?
Do Bradford Exchange do a tank?
I wonder if Bachmann will ever do another run of these.
look for the older 1/76 Cromwell.. would be a great replacement for the tank..
That tank will look great with a good weathering job.
from my brief search the Cromwell Tank never served in the US Army as this one indicates
The stars were occasionally painted on British tanks for air recognition purposes.
All British vehicle had allied stars in the ETO from 1944
@@1maico1 You've beaten me to it. I'm sorry for 'stepping on your toes'🤭
Brilliant video 👍😊🤩😎
Are you considering reviewing a Hornby steam generator loco ? Maybe when the price comes down 😉🚂
Good idea
I went to Europe's biggest model train shop in February and bought the 94xx and this flat bed the 145 pound and the flatbed( with the tank) costed me 53 pound
I really wonder what Bachmann were think with that tank Sam.
Cheers Jasper & Willow
Can I ask a stupid question if a Cromwell from the 11th Armoured Division why the US Star markings?
British armour and vehicles had allied stars in the ETO from 1944 on
I think its worth £15 minus the tank can you review the oxford rail orbundle please sam thanks for the vedeo im thinking of making my layout a ww2 shunting yard😊
The tank looks very like a modified version of the Airfix model of the Cromwell tank, which they sell for £11.99.
Awesome video today Sam such a shame about the quality of the tank
I like the Cromwell and sherman's
Wow Bachmann really can fool many modelers but I steered clear of them since their diesels are trash.
I bought a pair in 2014 and they were so light they couldn't pull that much, their gears cracked and their shells were worse than an Athearn Bluebox.
My Athearns are really faithful machines that get the job done.
The tank which Bachmann is awful but the Warflat wagon is a pretty good quality wagon which is all I can say Sam. However, nearly 58 pounds directly from Bachmann is not worth it.
I'm pretty sure that's what Sam said.
It’s cool that they decided to make a tank,and a WW2 one!But I’m pretty sure the tanks turret is looking the wrong way
Tanks are usually transported with the turret facing the rear as it reduces the total length of the vehicle.
@@STHV_ Ahh makes sense,thanks for the info
Would be nice if a company made some decent 00 scale Covenanters.
But that tank sucked so bad it stayed in Britain for training. Hardly any tanks have been made for OO scale modelling and I don't think the Covenanter is at the top of the popularity list.
IBG make an A9, A10 and Crusader but no Covenanter.
@@Deuce_and_a_half It's poor reputation is quite overstated, It was a solid design let down by situation. The cooling system was actually quite good despite what a certain museum wants people to believe. There is a test report that states that in 2800 miles the cooling system only had one minor fault. The actual issue of the vehicle was that many parts were designed to be made of aluminium but due to the war situation they were forced to use steel etc as the RAF hoarded all the aluminium, this combined with the fact that it was designed to be of welded construction initially but was then forced to adopt a riveted internal skeleton design meant it was heavier than intended which overstressed the engine leading to more heat than the cooling system could handle. This was only really an issue for North Africa which is why only two were ever sent for testing. By the time the fight returned to mainland Europe the Covenanter was rather outdated so it didn't see action there either.
It's use as a training tank was invaluable at the time as it meant that newer designs could go straight to combat. Covenanters were also used extensively to test new ideas due to their plentiful availability.
It may not have had an extensive combat history but it was still a very important and useful vehicle.
The Covenanter is also quite heavily related to the railways, it was designed and built by LMS and was used in a major morale/deception campaign where large amounts of them were shipped around the country by rail, uncovered and during the day. This led to a morale boost in the public and hid the actual numbers and movements of the main tank forces as they were mainly moved at night and covered.
@@STHV_ that’s interesting to know, thanks for the info. But still I’d tend to agree with the “certain museum people” ;) that putting the radiator on the front of the tank right where it’s going to get shot is a bad idea.
And probably piping the coolant from the radiator on the front to the back where the engine was wasn’t the smartest of design choices either.
Also even if it was due to material shortages the end result ended up poorer than the design on paper. At the end of the day the ‘real’ tank was still bad, no matter how good it may have been on paper.
Much like the T-34 that was great on paper, but ended up a death trap when actually produced. Due to stuff like material shortages like the Covenanter, although not just those, a lot more went wrong with the T-34’s production.
I think we still need more popular designs available in ‘ready to run’ form as it were as wagon loads before moving on to the more obscure. If you want the most popular and well known British tank of the era, the Firefly, you have to resort to a kit, which I’m not good at unfortunately. Also the only Churchill OO scale models available are from Oxford Rail, which aren’t particularly good looking and don’t come in the out of the factory type look that would make sense for a wagon load.
@@Deuce_and_a_halfBack in the 1970s, Airfix kits of tanks were always at 1:76 scale, ideal for OO. They didn't make a Covenanter back then, but there was a kit of the Crusader, which could be completed as a Mk 2 (with 2 pounder gun) or Mk 3 (with 6 pounder).
One thing on the tank i not sure about the star is that a British marking . I maybe wrong but i was thinking that was a U S marking
You are wrong it's the Allied star used from 1944
@@1maico1 did not know thank you
Thanks for this, been looking at these for a while now but glad i didnt bother. Prefer the oxfords.
I would repaint the tank and give it some weathering.
Looks like it's gun is a howitzer.
Airfix do a 1/76 model kit Cromwell, it’s only around £10 and I’d be tempted to replace this frankly awful tank model with the Airfix one and enjoy the build of the tank kit!
Pity that the tank is lacking in basic QC (Quality Control) compared to the Warflat itself, at least there's a way for the customer fix that by putting a tank of their own onto the Warflat.
Nice Sam :)
Tbh youd be better off buying an Airfix model Cromwell and building it yourself. But as its Bachmann it will not be in my collection
Fair review again Sam. A stiff RRP indeed, but the price you paid is quite reasonable. However, still, that price is no excuse for a poor quality tank supplied with it. Either, a manufacturer does things right or shouldn't being doing that thing at all.
Oxford rail warwell currently costs £33.95 with no tank. And I can only find hattons warwell wagons on eBay and the cheapest I could find was £44.99. So they are much closer on price now.
Nope - the Hattons warwells are now sold by accurascale and are still £25
@@SamsTrains well when I searched hattons warwells only eBay came up as a place to purchase and they are all above £40. Do you have a link for the accurascale wagons I’ll go and order some now at that price.
@@SamsTrains or not they are all sold out :(
Accurascale have 4 of the 1970s version left on their website.
Sam, what's your favourite manor house in the British Isles? 😊
What does that have to do with anything? 😂
Don't laugh at her she's obviously got a crush, like you probably did at some time ! She's very knowledgeable and often makes very informative comments. Sam''s a big boy and can look after himself.
I would say Sam is more of a handsome Merchant Navy Class or A4. He's not American. 😆
Nevermind this sounded funnier in my head.
I’ve got a boyfriend 😆😂 but yes I see you point 😂
4:54 Gaijin: good for 4.7 Battle Rating (Avenger Tank)
You got that tank from Bachmann? I just assumed Ali-Express was having a WW2 sale…
From what i could see of the tanks details...the plastic looks like it is a roughly made 3D print. I personally would replace that tank with one of the Cromwell tanks from Roco's "minitanks" series models.
HO scale or 1/87th . Too small really . If anyone's bothered. I would be.
I really wanted one of these all the way back when they were first released, but for the original price I knew it was a rip-off. Even now for £35 I still don't think it's worth it, and it's certainly not feasible to make a rake out of them. I really hope another manufacturer remakes these with modern couplings like the Oxford rail Warwells and a decent tank load, possibly some mark of Churchill. It's a shame, we really don't get many war related items of rolling stock and this one ended up being so bad.
Decent, painted 1:72/1:76 scale tanks can be had for £10-15.
Adorable Presentation
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Good Flatbed
Meh Tank
Overpriced
Its another the packaging and 'accessory' costs £59 and the wagon £1!
why has it got a usa star on
At some point before D-Day (i.e. I'm not sure about Italy), American and British vehicles adopted the use of a circled star on a horizontal surface as an aerial recognition symbol, so Allied planes wouldn't attack them. On tanks that usually meant the engine deck.
Pretty sure the US Army never fielded Cromwell tanks either so I don't know what they slapped the star on it
The star was used as a general Allied marking during the invasion.
Since the Luftwaffe gave up, it was more important to identify friendly units from the air.
@@frostedbutts4340 Thank you, that makes much more sense now
anyone whose good at model AFV weathering will improve that tanks appearance
Won't be weathered much coming straight from the factory. Go easy.
its a cromwell tank I thnk. but it looks like it belongs in an army playset complete with poorly painted if even painted at all army mens, thunderbird trees, comically oversized sandbags, and an equally cheep modern plastic jet fighter for some reason. then again i'm not sure where you would get quality tanks at that scale. old model power stock maybe. says the guy whose layout has a military base featuring mostly vehicles from playsets.
The tank doesn't look super detailed, but it looks authentic. Maybe helped by Cromwell tanks not being much of a looker in real life either xD
Great video, but honestly, i thought bachmann were better than this!
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The tank could easily be improved. Presumably easy to disassemble? If so, then I'd take it apart, sand the poor joints and glue overspill, and prime it properly before repainting. The barrel could be removed and replaced with brass rod.
Aside from the rubbish tank, what I find inappropriate is the absence of any system to secure said tank(s) in position. Looking through old photos of WWII tank transporters, in all cases I see some method of securing the tanks, whether it be chains or chains and blocks. For the money I'd expect a decent tank AND reproduction of a plausible anchoring system onto the flat bed.
They might be tie down mounts
Can you consider reviewing the Bachmann Thomas log wagon?
In 1987, I joined the U.S. Army, After Basic Training in Ft. Dix New Jersey, I was sent to Ft. Eustis, Virginia... With dirt ramps on both ends, there were four connected flatcars... WITH BUFFERS! Four and six axle flats... with so many markings, I always wondered what WD stood for. That was 1987. That tank doesn't look American, closest is a British Comet Class...
Designer Birmingham Carriage & Wagon Co 1943 Manufacturer Leyland Motors (WIKI-pedia)
just cuz Bachmann put an American star on it... lipstick on a pig, I suppose. And no, the British tank isn't a pig, other than a "pig of war". John
British armour and vehicles had allied stars in the ETO from 1944 on
@@1maico1 Thank you for explaining that.
If bachmann deducted the price of the tank from the RRP it would still be the same price.
The wagon is excellent, I have both the warflat and parrots. The parrot tank is in resin so a much better load, the plastic tanks are awful. The high price point is just not right.
Hi sam
The hell happened to the 16 pounder?!
As a matter of interest why has the tank got an American insignia?
At the time of production America had plenty of Shermans.
British armour and vehicles had allied star markings in the ETO from 1944 on
@@1maico1 ahhh.
A LITTLE bit naff? That tank looks like something you'd find in the toy aisle at your local DOLLAR STORE. It's HIDIOUS xD
Would rather spend my money on an Accurascale wagon and add an Oxford tank any day 😎
The tank would look hugely better with some painting, weathering and general TLC.
It’d look even better in the bin with a new 3D printed one in its place 😂
I’m guessing the American star on a British Tank was to stop the American airforce from bombing them by mistake as the Americans were and still are a bit too giddy with their ordinance and blue on blue incidents being what they excel at , my best friends uncle (RIP Denis ) was lucky to survive in Korea when a yank aircraft rocketed their position despite having put out recognition panels , 00 scale tank kits are readily available if you want more detail but a basic model is ok for a wagon load in my opinion.
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The little tank is perhaps the worst model of a tank ever made. Especially since they have printed an American star on the Cromwell/Centaur tank (8:50) (11:20). What were they thinking 😂
PS Sam, Please take the offer from brianartillery to send you the diecast model of a tank. After this horrible fiasco, you deserve it. And I am sure everyone would be pleased for you to get it and see it parade around the layout on the warflat wagon 👍
The 'American star' is completely accurate. The Western allied forces late-war standardised on white stars as recognition symbols to prevent 'friendly fire' incidents, especially from the air (the reason for this large one on the engine deck). I've built an Airfix 1/76 Cromwell, and that includes one as well.
@@captaincool3329 Ok. That's probably a good idea with the number of British and American ground attack aircraft flying around. Good point 👍
@@captaincool3329I would expect the star to be on the turret top rather than the engine deck though.
I’m guessing 90% of the 17 grams (of the tank) is the magnets on the bottom. 😌
To be honest with you Sam it looks okay 0:45