Jehovah: "First, I will create the hoo-hah. Second, I will design men to think of a hoo-hah every 18 seconds of every day of his entire life. Third, I will shame and condemn men for thinking of hoo-hahs."
The sexual repression runs so deep in this religion that i thought i was asexual for the longest time, and didnt realise i was actually gay until i was almost 30. Now im out of the cult and in love with my girlfriend!
Same here as a PIMO THIS YEAR found out I like both men and women! And found out the term for it is Bisexual! Oh!!! And another thing that, got me really sad and angry was I think this Sunday at a convention they hade “gods morality” bullshit on bisexual stuff, saying it’s not aligned with god moral standards! I was angry so angry I hade to walk around for that whole talk! God I wanted to rip the speakers head off! What this cult teaches is disrespectful and disgusting! Be little you to the ninth degree! Can’t wait to be free!
One of our daughters came to that conclusion with three kids after twenty plus years. Left the JW’s, started working on her life, now divorced and still rebuilding in her late 40’s.
I had already checked the fornication and shotgun wedding boxes off before becoming a JW. Turns out we’re still married fifty four years later. Probably that and my veteran status are a couple reasons that some folks never warmed up to us in the JW’s.
I was told in the early 70's by yesterday Brother who studied with me there is no CSA in Jehovah's Society, Congregations, because Jehovahs Holy Spirit will not allow it! 🤫 Some years later he was arrested for physical child abuse, released after a few weeks, and removed as an Elder. His 16 year old daughter was removed and put into Foster care, 30 years later he was finally made a servant, and now serves as an Elder again at the age of 75. The daughter suffers from severe depression because if sexual abuse! By whom? Only she knows! And I'm sure this now Elder again, knows as well. Who will tell now that all physical records are shredded! Elders seem to love sex not only with their wives, but their daughter's.😮
"no CSA...Jehovahs Holy Spirit will not allow it!" LOL. Isn't this the same holy spirit that watched with apathy as a naked woman ate a piece of fruit that doomed mankind? "Jehovah is in control of *everything* within his organization, and *Jesus is aware* of developments in each congregation." w06 7/15, p.23 Translation: JayHoover and Haysoos are good with CSA.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 Sin entered through Adam, not Eve. Send scriptural support for your claimed that the Holy Spirit "watched with apathy" as Eve partook with her husband.
I was led to believe the same thing. If memory serves me they went so far as to boast about their superiority in publications. One time in the 80’s I was on jury duty and got picked for a case of a priest abusing kids. The Catholic Church settled before we went to trial. I recall parroting the WT superiority fantasy when that happened. Turns out that I was drawn into the “we’re not sinners like other religions” fantasy during that time. That experience combined with their own abuse problems coming out years later was one of the eye openers for me.
My brother was a ministerial servant. Couldn't find a JW girlfriend. Was literally 43 when he lost his virginity. My kids have a JW aunt who is currently a 46 year old virgin. She didn't find a husband yet. Some of them will never be intimate in their entire lifetime. It's so mesed up.
An elder in the congregation that I attended had a teenage son. He was forbidden contact with girls, but he was allowed to hang out with other boys his age. His poor son, hormones raging got caught having intimate relationship with another same age male friend. They were disfellowshiped. That would scar you for life.
True. I was raised in the faith and developed such a fear of intimacy, fear of men, actually. I'm single now after disassociating from the community 14 years ago, and still find it impossible to meet potential partners out of fear.
BIG hugs Maja...... it's SO hard on women in particular. They live in shame, fear and ridiculous standards are pushed on them. I hope you're finding community now!
This is one of the most, if not THE most important episodes you've ever done. Sexuality is like any other natural part of us -- as long as it is working like it's supposed to, it's just a part of life; nothing more. But if something is wrong, something is broken, that ache becomes HUGE. It is difficult to concentrate on your work if you leg is broken and un-attended. It's the same way with sexuality. I'm a born-in. I was one of the obedient ones. The guilt over thoughts and desires and eventual "self-help" was excruciating. I'm about to start my 5th decade on Earth. After a fairly complicated and drawn-out exit from the faith, it was only in 2021 that I realized it's a cult, and the EXTENT to which it had damaged me. It wasn't my fault that I was, and still remain, dysfunctional. THAT was liberating to learn. I'd been severely damaged by the so-called "healthy view on sexuality." THAT was sickening to learn. But. Now I understand why I am as I am. Now I can heal.
Huge hugs to you and SO GLAD you're out!!! YES, this subject gets beat to death inside the cult and it does incredible damage to people for many, many years!
I remember going to the KH with my wicked witness family members when I was a teenager, 16 to be exact. I had a major crush on a baptised witness , I believe he was about 18 or 19. Anyway, I remember thinking he was going to be the perfect guy to date because he was a witness and I wouldn't have to deal with peer pressure, sex talk, kissing, etc. We finally exchanged numbers and our very first conversation he asked me what was my bra size and if I got super hor-ne-y when I got my period 😯 I was so incredibly shocked and disappointed. He kept talking about how big my butt was and asking what my sexual fantasies were. I was completely thrown off because he was so humble and active in the KH. He commented every sunday, went on field service and book studies. I stopped talking to him and that was a stark reminder that no matter what, people will be people. They can be who ever you want them to be to deceive you, but they'll eventually show you who they really are, just pay attention. Oh, and I stopped thinking witness men were saints....
@@angelac2228 Guilty! 😂😂😂😂😂 boy was I wrong. I ended up becoming engaged to one years later and he cheated on me, all while pressuring me to get baptised and reminding me everyday how time was short and we're in the last days 😂😂😂 but yeah, once upon a time I did think that.....
“Pillows are instruments of Satan… they are deadly.” Stacy, I busted out laughing like you. Then I backed the video up, listened to it again, and laughed just as hard again. That is a classic.
So, I do stand-up comedy. And I've started throwing in some xjw jokes. Nothing too deep cuz you know no one knows much about them. But this whole thing is something that I'm going to need to use. Classic material that I had forgotten about. Thanks so much. You're always an amazing inspiration and podcaster. I really appreciate you.
Reminds me when I was a teenager there was a saucy scene that appeared on the TV program we were watching. My sister got up and switched the channel, I asked her why she did that? She told me I should know. I could not argue because I did.
During the boring speeches at conventions or in the kingdom hall my older sister and I had a challenge which one of us would be faster finding a "pervert" bible text (as we called it). It was fun and worth the possible whoopings we got afterwards because of us giggling during the ministry.
One point Stacy also I observed as an Elder was a " head hunter" mind set. Elders I served with " enjoyed" judicial committee's. It made them feel empowered maybe? It broke my heart at tears from folks wanting direction and forgiveness only to be laughed at when Elders confered in private. They'd compare themselves to the sin and feel better about themselves before inviting the sheep back into the meeting and only to be disfellowshiped. It broke my heart.
Elders are a living example proving The Milgram experiment as valid. A friend of mine had a daughter that was DFd. He was told by one of the Elders on the JC they had no doubt she was sincerely repentant, but they DFd her anyway "just to teach her lesson". I often wondered what, exactly, that lesson was supposed to be? Regardless, it shows the mentality of many/most of these Elders. JCs are a way to project and to unload their angst on unsuspecting victims while feeding their ego-driven god complex. I'm sure in a different era these same Elders would have gladly assisted Mengele while viewing themselves as loving shepherds.
@@justme97 Yep. This "holy spirit" crew facilited a pervert MS who was fingering my Friends 2 Daughters ( 2 witness rule). 1 Elder called me in private ( peer pressure) and knew of this pervert for 7 years before I moved to this KH. My last words to the Elders and DO was " chicken shit". That's how I described this " holy spirit"NY dog and pony show.
@@justme97 I was the "Elder" who called Law Enforcement. I was told "I'd have to answer for that". I laughed so hard. I have successful Kids with degrees, businesses, and no WT perverts. Nothing personal...just protecting my Family. Our prayers are for Jehovah to protect our Family from his Witnesses.
I could write a book on the stories.......some guys LIVE for judicial meetings. I've shut more than one down based on an elder's behavior. Oh the memories.....
I was dumbfounded when I heard my order sister asking if the place where we put tampons was the place where a man should put his sex. She was 18 years old and I was 10. I knew because I was CSA victim from birth until 13. But, the answer my parents gave her was : "no, it's another place" ... So why can't we wear tampons??? Because. It would be funny if it wasn't true 🤔... Let it sink in...
trying to be perfect while being imperfect is an exercise in futility. Brother Jim Morrison used to admonish us young ones singing "keep your eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel"...
Great episode!! I laughed and shook my head in disbelief and remembrance the whole time. Truly sick how they invade every aspect of thought and action people have. I betcha the guys who came up with these rules were raging sex addicts 🤣🤣
Shame shame shame, it’s all their game. About completely natural human inclinations. I loath the days I felt that shame, and my heart breaks now for all who feel the same. Get out of her, that scarlet horror on the beast, you have no clue YOU have been deceived. Or something like that …..
I came into puverty during HeHaw you know during the Mini Dress error! So my wet dreams were always accompanied by dreams of women with very short dresses that I seen on TV but I never ever had homosexual tendencies. I just wanted more short dresses, so my dreams were 👍 great! 😮 And you know, I never did feel guilty! My biggest problem was hiding my shorts from my Mom seeing 👀 stains on my underwear!!!
According to a woman in my last congregation, someone for some reason was in someone's bedroom and saw a copy of a sex book. Reported it to the elders and that couple got disciplined.
They went on and on about the dangers of sex that much that during my bible study when I was young the elder asked do you know what the golden rule is?, i said "no sex before marriage?"........then he laughed in my face...felt like a right donut
_"That one rubbed me the wrong way."_ Stacy, I literally just finished my coffee and set the cup down when you said this. Had the timing been 2 seconds earlier, the results would have been disastrous, as scorched nostrils and a damaged computer would have occurred.
Love the show so far, first time watching.... but isn't the book of Ruth from the female perspective? I specifically remember a verse that made me go, "Damn, Ruth and Naomi were married"
One of the most challenging things for converts was to stop doing the things we liked in bed. Joined in 1974, left twenty five years later in 1999 and resumed what was left of the sex life. The amazing thing looking back is that I bought into the whole thing.
I must tell you after my JW hubby and I got married I was asked by elder did new hubby want a BJ. I was shocked as newly married JW lady at 17 years old. I just said I d like to keep this private and do not find it necessary to tell you this.. I told my young 19 year old JW hubby (newly converted) the convo. He said what did I tell them. I tactful told elder was not their business. Then we moved out of state but at another KH elder wanted me to stop working outside home to pioneer & added your JW wife should not wear makeup either. My JW hubby asked me per elders if Id change. I said "No " to both requests. JW elders butt into married lives too much but part of the cult lifestyles.
Ähmm hello! How MUCH love I missed because I was single in this organisation!! Hello! I started to hate my body because of this and overeat! I made myself very sick and ugly! For the past 2 and a half years I started to be pretty again. But I was so dismissed in my body! It is so cruel!
This bizarre view of sex is very harmful, even to the outside world. Just a few months ago I met a woman who worked for years at a local community centre. At this centre you can rent the hall (together with volunteer staff and catering) for parties and weddings. We talked about the recent three part documentary exposing the Witnesses in the Netherlands. Suddenly she told me: "JW weddings were and are the worst". I didn't understand. Then she told me that at JW weddings the girls and woman who did the catering got harrased by the men or worse...Getting very indecent proposals: "Just a quickie.." It still haunts her...😢 Thanks for the 'sexual healing'😅
@@majafleur9646 I don't think all JW men will have this behaviour inside the congregation. But this was towards 'worldly' woman. And of course those are the 'bad apples'.
*"Direct your mind elsewhere. Try to focus on things besides sex. This should include a hobby."* - Questions Young People Haven't Actually Asked, p.89 Can that hobby be, woodworking? How about pole vaulting? Reading about beavers? Taking pictures of beavers? tuna fishing? Anything related to dolphins? Math involving the numbers 2, 3 or 69?
Masturbation didn't turn me GAY either! But I was so repressed and ashamed. I eventually told the elders wife studying with me as a teenager that I wasn't capable of being a jw because of the extent of my sexual desires. She tried to back peddle at that point by telling me her own experiences with 'crushes` but it was too late I had gotten the message from the GB loud and clear. No thank you!
### Jehovah's Witnesses and Sex: A Humorous Ode In the land of Kingdom Halls, where Watchtowers abound, There's a subject so taboo, it scarcely makes a sound. But if you listen closely, you might hear a quiet "Oh, It's the tale of sex and Witnesses, a story quite the show. In a world where rules are plenty, and fun is often thin, There's a list of dos and don'ts, to save you from your sin. "Don't touch, don't look, don't even think," the elders sternly say, But oh, the things that happen when you tuck those thoughts away! Young Johnny reads the Bible, with its tales both bold and grand, Yet somehow skips the lessons on just how to use his hand. He's told that simple self-love might lead to something gay, So he spends his nights in prayer, to keep those thoughts at bay. Sweet Sally, in her innocence, gets lessons from her mom, "Don't think of boys, they're dangerous!" and to the field they plod. But Sally's heart is racing when she sees young Brother Jim, And she wonders, "Is it so bad if I simply dream of him?" The elders preach from platforms, with grim and furrowed brows, They warn of dire consequences for breaking sacred vows. But when the lights are dimmed and the meetings all adjourn, Their minds might wander freely to the lessons they should learn. For in the Book of Bible Stories, with angels from the skies, There’s quite a bit of loving that goes on behind the lies. From Samson with his muscles to Abraham’s grand swap, You’d think that holy scriptures were one big sexy romp! Married couples whisper, with secrets in the night, “Should we ask the elders if this feels just right?” But fear not, dear Witnesses, for in your loving bed, The Governing Body’s far away, not hanging by a thread. So Stacy, here’s a chuckle, for your podcast so astute, A humorous reflection on teachings quite minute. For though the rules are many, and sometimes quite absurd, We’ll laugh at the hypocrisy, and spread the merry word. In the end, just remember, as you navigate your life, Love and joy should guide you, not guilt or endless strife. So let’s toast to freedom, to laughter, and to cheer, And maybe just a little bit of sexiness right here!
It's very concerning that several instances of the word "sex" here would be more appropriate to turn into "rape", considering what the women went through afterwards 🥺 Their sexual assault is whitewashed a lot in the Bible.
10:03 In all fairness, there are other religious groups who feel the same way. Unlike a lot of other JW teachings, their prohibition on homosexuality can actually be substantiated biblically.
What shocked me the most was the song book they changed cuz had hidden message of 。。。and more from other articles 😮something is extremely wrong in art department😅imagine those brothers who is/was responsible of yikes articles and books are attending meetings where children are!
there has been a great deal of controversy around that for many, many years. The 70s and 80s were notorious for this stuff.....as was past founders of the organization!
Imagine going from liberty in sketchy foreign ports to being a JW. Hard to keep a straight face in the KH during their sex rants when one has already seen the dog and pony show. 😂😂😂😂
@@survivingparadisepodcast most of them I can’t tell. It was difficult for people who joined back then. We lost friends and family when we became JW’s and again when we left. Relatives in my case took years to mend relationships with after leaving.
Strange that the mosaic law had to specifically mandate against sex with animals ,but no Prohibition against oral sex ! What do you think the average single/couple would think of Experimenting with.? Do the GB. Truly have critical thinking skills or is this yet another Case of “going beyond the things written.”
Exactly! Not a word....but animals? picking up sticks? Uh yeah....somehow a man or woman can't figure that it's fun? Ridiculous. Personal opinions of former leaders
All their advice ruined my youth. I’m a major 40 year incel today. I wanted some pretty sisters way back in the day but I was always unqualified socially, financially and most of all “spiritually.” To be fair it’s no easier in the rest of the world. A growing number of men are extremely dissatisfied with their options and when they’re told to improve themselves they really don’t know how. I work 56 hours a week bouncing from rental to rental cuz no home. Can’t have a feminine house wife if I can’t get a house.
Lots of love to you my friend. Yes, relationships are VERY complex in this day and age. no question. But you get your dysfunctional start by being exposed to a cult at a young age. Divorce reigns inside JWs now......
quite frankly it is inhumane to make a person wait for an unusually long time to have sex. after a certain age you can’t help it but feel weird when jokes or references are being made among friends and you can’t relate or you are a mature adult who is still “curious” about sex 😢a working bill paying mature adult who can’t relate to a simple common human experience such as sex
I'm so sorry, it truly is unnatural. Including making those that are single and virgins feel uncomfortable, adding to their loneliness in their 'spiritual paradise'
@@survivingparadisepodcast❤ true! For everybody it is normal but I feel and felt weird. Once a brother was asked, what he likes about his wife the most, and he said „it is obvious, but I can’t say it“ and much people laughed. I knew, he was speaking about her hoo ha, but I was disgusted. How could he speak about such a private thing in public?
Oral sex, they flip flopped on this three times that I recall. There were articles in 1973, around 1978 and the one referred to here in the early 80’s. Keep in mind that this advice came from the same people who tried to push child sexual abuse under the rug. I might have placed my tongue in places they didn’t approve of but I have never helped shield predators. Giving the GB a big FU on that point.
@@survivingparadisepodcast peeking in windows in hopes of catching a wayward tongue. It was a crazy time and I was the dad of the family in the 70’s and 80’s.
in the early 70s I was just married, I did not get the point when they came out with these restrictions about oral sex. Their reasoning applying Romans 1 :27 to married heterosexual couples was illogical for me. As for me, I was sure this condemnation doesn t come from J. But it was a burden in my fresh marriage. How could I be sure about my wife? could I trust her? At the same time I was appointed as a (too young) elder. It was so uncomfortable, I hated it, when brothers or sisters came for guidance about it. As an elder you havent got any freedom of speaking out. I could write books about all these painful situations you get as a sincerely believing young elder whose answers are strictly controlled.
I bet you have some incredible stories! I can relate: it was brutal as an elder to see the stress, anger and duress on marriages due to this....it was completely fabricated! I think that is why they stopped commenting on it......as well as the fact that almost everyone was doing it!
all the bible examples showed you can’t talk about humans without talking about sex besides what “hobbies” are they referring to when all they want you to do is read the bible and preach?
Interesting I’m only seven minutes into your program and I already noticed some of your JW programming still in your head where they distinguish intercourse and sex as if the two were the same thing, Where•as there really is a difference between sex, and the actual act of intercourse, which may or may not produce offspring, and when I say intercourse, I’m referring member insertion and release of that stuff that makes babies. The reason I put it this way is because I’m afraid if I say any graphic parts, I’ll be censored. sex on the other hand is something God gifted mankind with that usually ends up with copulation and reproduction, however, sex alone does not necessarily end up in that way. Sex is an art form to a large degree, and intercourse is just a blatant and blunt act that can actually result in children. The only acts that God forbid basically in scripture and outlawed were same-sex, and hanky-panky with our furry animal friends, temple prostitution, and a slap on the wrist for self indulgence. Something GB call self abuse. They’re all supposed to be forms of unnatural perversions, which I have to say I pretty much agree with except for the self indulgence part. I could really get into this deeper as we all know. There are different ways to pleasure our partners or mates, and none of those things are mentioned in the Bible as outlawed or perverse when dealing with the oral persuasion. The GB until somewhat recently demanded complete abstinence and used the Bible as they put it as their authority, I might add with no honest support from scripture whatsoever, they interpreted that the way they wanted to, and demanded that the rest of us do the same or we would experience the fire of Armageddon firsthand. They have since remain silent on such oral delights and no longer pressure adherence in this regard, however, if it became known that certain members were practicing decadence I can guarantee they probably would never receive any privileges or promotions to what they call advance in their “spiritual maturity”.
Love this Charles...and I'm VERY impressed with your power of observation! I do much of that on purpose...but it's subtle...and you caught it! I'm hoping to break through the cognitive dissonance that plagues a JW listening!
WTF the bible should NOT be in the bedroom or TV screen either! But two mature sisters asked the bible study what to do.......They did not know about lube! If you can purchase a lipstick you can purchase that at the same drugstore. These were married ladies, sad how ignorant they were and one had grown children! Educate yourself.
Jehovah: "First, I will create the hoo-hah. Second, I will design men to think of a hoo-hah every 18 seconds of every day of his entire life. Third, I will shame and condemn men for thinking of hoo-hahs."
Bingo! Including his ENTIRE PURPOSE was us having lots of .....uh........SEX
And men still think about hoo-hahs day and night in their 70’s in spite of not being capable of getting in trouble.
😂😂
The sexual repression runs so deep in this religion that i thought i was asexual for the longest time, and didnt realise i was actually gay until i was almost 30. Now im out of the cult and in love with my girlfriend!
Same here as a PIMO THIS YEAR found out I like both men and women! And found out the term for it is Bisexual! Oh!!! And another thing that, got me really sad and angry was I think this Sunday at a convention they hade “gods morality” bullshit on bisexual stuff, saying it’s not aligned with god moral standards!
I was angry so angry I hade to walk around for that whole talk! God I wanted to rip the speakers head off! What this cult teaches is disrespectful and disgusting! Be little you to the ninth degree!
Can’t wait to be free!
I love this....good for you!!! I love a good love story!!
One of our daughters came to that conclusion with three kids after twenty plus years. Left the JW’s, started working on her life, now divorced and still rebuilding in her late 40’s.
@@StanMNdirt I'm glad she is doing what SHE wants!
@@survivingparadisepodcast it hasn’t been easy for her but she’s doing well.
Has anyone ever heard the word, "fornication" spoken outside of a kingdom hall? JW's favorite word to denote premarital sex.
It's the only F-word for sex JWs are allowed to use.
I had already checked the fornication and shotgun wedding boxes off before becoming a JW. Turns out we’re still married fifty four years later. Probably that and my veteran status are a couple reasons that some folks never warmed up to us in the JW’s.
Very rarely.... but there are all sorts of other fun phrases LOL!
I remember Mike tyson using the word and I thought it was weird hearing it outside the organization lol
Always a pleasure to listen to your podcast. 👌🏿
Thank you for being here!
as an ex jehovah witness , sex is just the tip of the ice berg! my mother was a human religious sacrifice
"just the tip"
LOL.
:( so sad to read this....my mother is still in as well
@@adamantiumbullet9215 LOL!
I was told in the early 70's by yesterday Brother who studied with me there is no CSA in Jehovah's Society, Congregations, because Jehovahs Holy Spirit will not allow it! 🤫 Some years later he was arrested for physical child abuse, released after a few weeks, and removed as an Elder. His 16 year old daughter was removed and put into Foster care, 30 years later he was finally made a servant, and now serves as an Elder again at the age of 75. The daughter suffers from severe depression because if sexual abuse! By whom? Only she knows! And I'm sure this now Elder again, knows as well. Who will tell now that all physical records are shredded! Elders seem to love sex not only with their wives, but their daughter's.😮
Halleluiah... all in the name of Jebus!
"no CSA...Jehovahs Holy Spirit will not allow it!"
LOL. Isn't this the same holy spirit that watched with apathy as a naked woman ate a piece of fruit that doomed mankind?
"Jehovah is in control of *everything* within his organization, and *Jesus is aware* of developments in each congregation." w06 7/15, p.23
Translation: JayHoover and Haysoos are good with CSA.
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Sin entered through Adam, not Eve. Send scriptural support for your claimed that the Holy Spirit "watched with apathy" as Eve partook with her husband.
@@mattmurdock2868
Sure. Right after you send evidence that Adam and Eve, the Garden of Eden, and holy spirit actually exist.
I was led to believe the same thing. If memory serves me they went so far as to boast about their superiority in publications. One time in the 80’s I was on jury duty and got picked for a case of a priest abusing kids. The Catholic Church settled before we went to trial. I recall parroting the WT superiority fantasy when that happened. Turns out that I was drawn into the “we’re not sinners like other religions” fantasy during that time. That experience combined with their own abuse problems coming out years later was one of the eye openers for me.
My brother was a ministerial servant. Couldn't find a JW girlfriend. Was literally 43 when he lost his virginity. My kids have a JW aunt who is currently a 46 year old virgin. She didn't find a husband yet. Some of them will never be intimate in their entire lifetime. It's so mesed up.
UGH! I know of people like this too....and it makes my stomach hurt. It's awful!
An elder in the congregation that I attended had a teenage son. He was forbidden contact with girls, but he was allowed to hang out with other boys his age. His poor son, hormones raging got caught having intimate relationship with another same age male friend. They were disfellowshiped. That would scar you for life.
I think it's supposed to scar you for life, their take is better scared for life than committing whatever they want to call it.
Terrible. It may have come naturally, but the obsession with conforming has a very negative impact on a person's sexuality.
True. I was raised in the faith and developed such a fear of intimacy, fear of men, actually. I'm single now after disassociating from the community 14 years ago, and still find it impossible to meet potential partners out of fear.
BIG hugs Maja...... it's SO hard on women in particular. They live in shame, fear and ridiculous standards are pushed on them. I hope you're finding community now!
Awwww Yeeaaahhh🎉🎉 in the words of Miles Davis let's get it on 🎉🎉🎉
Sorry I meant Marvin Gaye 😂
@@munch670 LOL
I think Miles David said, "Let's Get Jiggy With It".
@@adamantiumbullet9215 no I think that was Barbra Streisand 😂
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LOL.
This is one of the most, if not THE most important episodes you've ever done. Sexuality is like any other natural part of us -- as long as it is working like it's supposed to, it's just a part of life; nothing more. But if something is wrong, something is broken, that ache becomes HUGE. It is difficult to concentrate on your work if you leg is broken and un-attended. It's the same way with sexuality.
I'm a born-in. I was one of the obedient ones. The guilt over thoughts and desires and eventual "self-help" was excruciating.
I'm about to start my 5th decade on Earth. After a fairly complicated and drawn-out exit from the faith, it was only in 2021 that I realized it's a cult, and the EXTENT to which it had damaged me.
It wasn't my fault that I was, and still remain, dysfunctional. THAT was liberating to learn. I'd been severely damaged by the so-called "healthy view on sexuality." THAT was sickening to learn.
But. Now I understand why I am as I am. Now I can heal.
Huge hugs to you and SO GLAD you're out!!! YES, this subject gets beat to death inside the cult and it does incredible damage to people for many, many years!
You did it again - Wonderful work!
Thank you!!!
I remember going to the KH with my wicked witness family members when I was a teenager, 16 to be exact. I had a major crush on a baptised witness , I believe he was about 18 or 19. Anyway, I remember thinking he was going to be the perfect guy to date because he was a witness and I wouldn't have to deal with peer pressure, sex talk, kissing, etc. We finally exchanged numbers and our very first conversation he asked me what was my bra size and if I got super hor-ne-y when I got my period 😯 I was so incredibly shocked and disappointed. He kept talking about how big my butt was and asking what my sexual fantasies were. I was completely thrown off because he was so humble and active in the KH. He commented every sunday, went on field service and book studies. I stopped talking to him and that was a stark reminder that no matter what, people will be people. They can be who ever you want them to be to deceive you, but they'll eventually show you who they really are, just pay attention. Oh, and I stopped thinking witness men were saints....
You thought Witness men were Saints? 😂
@@angelac2228 Guilty! 😂😂😂😂😂 boy was I wrong. I ended up becoming engaged to one years later and he cheated on me, all while pressuring me to get baptised and reminding me everyday how time was short and we're in the last days 😂😂😂 but yeah, once upon a time I did think that.....
@@BixbyLBC I thought you stopped talking to him when he kept talking about sex?
@@angelac2228 I did. I became engaged to someone else years later.
@@angelac2228 I did. I was engaged to another witness.
Good Monday morning to you, Stacy! Thank you for another awesome podcast!
Thank you for being here!
“Pillows are instruments of Satan… they are deadly.” Stacy, I busted out laughing like you. Then I backed the video up, listened to it again, and laughed just as hard again. That is a classic.
I sleep with four pillows. Is that a moral issue?
LOL, you can't make this stuff up!
@@survivingparadisepodcast by extension wouldn’t four pillows constitute an orgy?
So, I do stand-up comedy. And I've started throwing in some xjw jokes. Nothing too deep cuz you know no one knows much about them. But this whole thing is something that I'm going to need to use. Classic material that I had forgotten about. Thanks so much. You're always an amazing inspiration and podcaster. I really appreciate you.
LOVE IT!!! Please share when you can.....i'd love to see this routine!!! They have boatloads of material on this subject ;)
Hahaha! Another great one! Thank you!
Reminds me when I was a teenager there was a saucy scene that appeared on the TV program we were watching. My sister got up and switched the channel, I asked her why she did that? She told me I should know. I could not argue because I did.
I bet no one ever snatched a Bible from your hands, or the Youth book, as you read their "saucy" parts, did they?
All kinds of shame.....they push it so hard.
@@adamantiumbullet9215 LOL, VERY good point!
During the boring speeches at conventions or in the kingdom hall my older sister and I had a challenge which one of us would be faster finding a "pervert" bible text (as we called it). It was fun and worth the possible whoopings we got afterwards because of us giggling during the ministry.
LOL, we did that too!!! And it was SO easy to do!!!
Sisters daydream too... 🥴
...yes they do! ;)
Seriously 😊 (blushing)! LOL, thank you Stacey.
LOL, me too Estee!
I know I’m commenting late, but wanted you to know this is excellent!!! 💜
Thank you Beauty!!!! :)O
I'm single and my sister in law who is a jw hates the idea of me being near women and especialy having sexual desires towards them
That makes me so sad for her! Is she gay and stifling it?? Terrible!! A tragedy!
I love ❤️ every podcast you made ..❣️ It's great that you finally left our cult...😅
One point Stacy also I observed as an Elder was a " head hunter" mind set. Elders I served with " enjoyed" judicial committee's. It made them feel empowered maybe? It broke my heart at tears from folks wanting direction and forgiveness only to be laughed at when Elders confered in private. They'd compare themselves to the sin and feel better about themselves before inviting the sheep back into the meeting and only to be disfellowshiped. It broke my heart.
Elders are a living example proving The Milgram experiment as valid.
A friend of mine had a daughter that was DFd. He was told by one of the Elders on the JC they had no doubt she was sincerely repentant, but they DFd her anyway "just to teach her lesson". I often wondered what, exactly, that lesson was supposed to be?
Regardless, it shows the mentality of many/most of these Elders. JCs are a way to project and to unload their angst on unsuspecting victims while feeding their ego-driven god complex. I'm sure in a different era these same Elders would have gladly assisted Mengele while viewing themselves as loving shepherds.
So much for Jehovah's holy spirit guiding those elders. Truly laughable.
@@justme97 Yep. This "holy spirit" crew facilited a pervert MS who was fingering my Friends 2 Daughters ( 2 witness rule). 1 Elder called me in private ( peer pressure) and knew of this pervert for 7 years before I moved to this KH. My last words to the Elders and DO was " chicken shit". That's how I described this " holy spirit"NY dog and pony show.
@@justme97 I was the "Elder" who called Law Enforcement. I was told "I'd have to answer for that". I laughed so hard. I have successful Kids with degrees, businesses, and no WT perverts. Nothing personal...just protecting my Family. Our prayers are for Jehovah to protect our Family from his Witnesses.
I could write a book on the stories.......some guys LIVE for judicial meetings. I've shut more than one down based on an elder's behavior. Oh the memories.....
Hello Stacey Great Monday Morning to you!
I was dumbfounded when I heard my order sister asking if the place where we put tampons was the place where a man should put his sex. She was 18 years old and I was 10. I knew because I was CSA victim from birth until 13. But, the answer my parents gave her was : "no, it's another place" ... So why can't we wear tampons??? Because. It would be funny if it wasn't true 🤔... Let it sink in...
HUGE hugs to you....I'm SO sorry for what you've been through! Yep, so many are completely uneducated on something so natural!
trying to be perfect while being imperfect is an exercise in futility. Brother Jim Morrison used to admonish us young ones singing "keep your eyes on the road, your hands upon the wheel"...
It causes serious mental and emotional issues
Great episode!! I laughed and shook my head in disbelief and remembrance the whole time. Truly sick how they invade every aspect of thought and action people have. I betcha the guys who came up with these rules were raging sex addicts 🤣🤣
:) I'm glad you had a laugh.....I can't stop laughing every week at this point....it's so bad!!
Another great episode! And it's not horny, it's thirsty now days. 😂
LOL, OMG thank you!!! I'm so not cool anymore!!!! Thirsty!!
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I remember being a child and reading those articles. Oh, how I wish some responsible adult had shielded me from all that mess and dysfunction.
I agree. it has had a deep impact on my life and psyche....it's painful to admit the adults in our lives were also so fooled
Watching this on my Spanish vacation thank u… 🙏… lets paint the town red warwick 🧹🧙♀️ B,..
Thank you for listening!
Shame shame shame, it’s all their game. About completely natural human inclinations. I loath the days I felt that shame, and my heart breaks now for all who feel the same. Get out of her, that scarlet horror on the beast, you have no clue YOU have been deceived.
Or something like that …..
So true.....every desire, natural or not, leads to shame.....you must BE as they are......disturbing on so many levels
I came into puverty during HeHaw you know during the Mini Dress error! So my wet dreams were always accompanied by dreams of women with very short dresses that I seen on TV but I never ever had homosexual tendencies. I just wanted more short dresses, so my dreams were 👍 great! 😮 And you know, I never did feel guilty! My biggest problem was hiding my shorts from my Mom seeing 👀 stains on my underwear!!!
And all part of being a teenage boy! It is really awkward to know your mother knows you're in puberty.....it's hell!
According to a woman in my last congregation, someone for some reason was in someone's bedroom and saw a copy of a sex book. Reported it to the elders and that couple got disciplined.
That's weird. My friend's parents had a sex book
I believe it. Elders think they're all powerful.....or they're completely lazy.....either or
@@angelac2228 Very weird......weird that they think they can comment.....weird that they're looking at stuff in YOUR home......just psycho
They went on and on about the dangers of sex that much that during my bible study when I was young the elder asked do you know what the golden rule is?, i said "no sex before marriage?"........then he laughed in my face...felt like a right donut
LOL, I love that.....and most would answer the same!
👋Who coined the term "Self abused?!"... It's self-pleasuring... very nice and necessary at times...😅
Considering doctors can see fetuses doing it....I'd say it's pretty natural......unless Satan is in the womb too? LOL.....agree!
This book was the most sexually to explicit being a 6 year old at the Hall
Agree....zero filters for children
_"That one rubbed me the wrong way."_
Stacy, I literally just finished my coffee and set the cup down when you said this. Had the timing been 2 seconds earlier, the results would have been disastrous, as scorched nostrils and a damaged computer would have occurred.
LOL, LOL!!!! Sorry my friend!!!!
Love the show so far, first time watching.... but isn't the book of Ruth from the female perspective? I specifically remember a verse that made me go, "Damn, Ruth and Naomi were married"
One of the most challenging things for converts was to stop doing the things we liked in bed. Joined in 1974, left twenty five years later in 1999 and resumed what was left of the sex life. The amazing thing looking back is that I bought into the whole thing.
And absolutely absurd!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I’m sending them a bill for twenty five years of lost BJ’s.
I must tell you after my JW hubby and I got married I was asked by elder did new hubby want a BJ. I was shocked as newly married JW lady at 17 years old. I just said I d like to keep this private and do not find it necessary to tell you this.. I told my young 19 year old JW hubby (newly converted) the convo. He said what did I tell them. I tactful told elder was not their business. Then we moved out of state but at another KH elder wanted me to stop working outside home to pioneer & added your JW wife should not wear makeup either. My JW hubby asked me per elders if Id change. I said "No " to both requests. JW elders butt into married lives too much but part of the cult lifestyles.
This was a HUGE issue for many, many years!!! I have shows on this in the past....they were running around asking people!!!!
You mean we had the option of saying yes all those years and I didn’t even know?
Hands to yourself 😂, well not really Stacy we can’t spank Frank without turning Gay remember?? 😂
LOL, oh I cite the reference! :)
Ähmm hello! How MUCH love I missed because I was single in this organisation!! Hello! I started to hate my body because of this and overeat! I made myself very sick and ugly! For the past 2 and a half years I started to be pretty again. But I was so dismissed in my body! It is so cruel!
This bizarre view of sex is very harmful, even to the outside world.
Just a few months ago I met a woman who worked for years at a local community centre.
At this centre you can rent the hall (together with volunteer staff and catering) for parties and weddings.
We talked about the recent three part documentary exposing the Witnesses in the Netherlands.
Suddenly she told me: "JW weddings were and are the worst". I didn't understand.
Then she told me that at JW weddings the girls and woman who did the catering got harrased by the men or worse...Getting very indecent proposals: "Just a quickie.."
It still haunts her...😢
Thanks for the 'sexual healing'😅
That is far from the truth of my experience and very unlike JWs.
@@majafleur9646 I don't think all JW men will have this behaviour inside the congregation. But this was towards 'worldly' woman.
And of course those are the 'bad apples'.
@majafleur9646 JWs drink like fish. After a while, they can say practically anything 😮
WOW!!!!! I believe it!!!! The men are a total mess on this subject.....the porn industry is supported by JW men!!
@@majafleur9646 me too.....most are a total mess and insular
*"Direct your mind elsewhere. Try to focus on things besides sex. This should include a hobby."* -
Questions Young People Haven't Actually Asked, p.89
Can that hobby be,
woodworking?
How about pole vaulting?
Reading about beavers?
Taking pictures of beavers?
tuna fishing?
Anything related to dolphins?
Math involving the numbers 2, 3 or 69?
Good one. I got a laugh.
master baker
crossdressfit
animal breeder
juggling
handball
taking a hike
backpacking
gobagpacking
muffdiving
launching rockets
LOL, LOL I see what you did there!!
@@yenbbc8840 there you go!
Masturbation didn't turn me GAY either! But I was so repressed and ashamed. I eventually told the elders wife studying with me as a teenager that I wasn't capable of being a jw because of the extent of my sexual desires. She tried to back peddle at that point by telling me her own experiences with 'crushes` but it was too late I had gotten the message from the GB loud and clear. No thank you!
I'm always happy to read someone dodged ALL of this cult! SO glad you knew you were normal and time to leave!
### Jehovah's Witnesses and Sex: A Humorous Ode
In the land of Kingdom Halls, where Watchtowers abound,
There's a subject so taboo, it scarcely makes a sound.
But if you listen closely, you might hear a quiet "Oh,
It's the tale of sex and Witnesses, a story quite the show.
In a world where rules are plenty, and fun is often thin,
There's a list of dos and don'ts, to save you from your sin.
"Don't touch, don't look, don't even think," the elders sternly say,
But oh, the things that happen when you tuck those thoughts away!
Young Johnny reads the Bible, with its tales both bold and grand,
Yet somehow skips the lessons on just how to use his hand.
He's told that simple self-love might lead to something gay,
So he spends his nights in prayer, to keep those thoughts at bay.
Sweet Sally, in her innocence, gets lessons from her mom,
"Don't think of boys, they're dangerous!" and to the field they plod.
But Sally's heart is racing when she sees young Brother Jim,
And she wonders, "Is it so bad if I simply dream of him?"
The elders preach from platforms, with grim and furrowed brows,
They warn of dire consequences for breaking sacred vows.
But when the lights are dimmed and the meetings all adjourn,
Their minds might wander freely to the lessons they should learn.
For in the Book of Bible Stories, with angels from the skies,
There’s quite a bit of loving that goes on behind the lies.
From Samson with his muscles to Abraham’s grand swap,
You’d think that holy scriptures were one big sexy romp!
Married couples whisper, with secrets in the night,
“Should we ask the elders if this feels just right?”
But fear not, dear Witnesses, for in your loving bed,
The Governing Body’s far away, not hanging by a thread.
So Stacy, here’s a chuckle, for your podcast so astute,
A humorous reflection on teachings quite minute.
For though the rules are many, and sometimes quite absurd,
We’ll laugh at the hypocrisy, and spread the merry word.
In the end, just remember, as you navigate your life,
Love and joy should guide you, not guilt or endless strife.
So let’s toast to freedom, to laughter, and to cheer,
And maybe just a little bit of sexiness right here!
WOW, this needs to be permanently posted. excellent!
It's very concerning that several instances of the word "sex" here would be more appropriate to turn into "rape", considering what the women went through afterwards 🥺 Their sexual assault is whitewashed a lot in the Bible.
I COMPLETELY AGREE!! Please know that....but UA-cam has a 'thing' with that word.....I try to use 'assault'....every instance was a crime!
@@survivingparadisepodcast I understand!
10:03 In all fairness, there are other religious groups who feel the same way. Unlike a lot of other JW teachings, their prohibition on homosexuality can actually be substantiated biblically.
What shocked me the most was the song book they changed cuz had hidden message of 。。。and more from other articles 😮something is extremely wrong in art department😅imagine those brothers who is/was responsible of yikes articles and books are attending meetings where children are!
there has been a great deal of controversy around that for many, many years. The 70s and 80s were notorious for this stuff.....as was past founders of the organization!
Imagine going from liberty in sketchy foreign ports to being a JW. Hard to keep a straight face in the KH during their sex rants when one has already seen the dog and pony show. 😂😂😂😂
Oh my, you have some stories!
@@survivingparadisepodcast most of them I can’t tell. It was difficult for people who joined back then. We lost friends and family when we became JW’s and again when we left. Relatives in my case took years to mend relationships with after leaving.
Strange that the mosaic law had to specifically mandate against sex with animals ,but no
Prohibition against oral sex ! What do you think the average single/couple would think of
Experimenting with.? Do the GB. Truly have critical thinking skills or is this yet another
Case of “going beyond the things written.”
Exactly! Not a word....but animals? picking up sticks? Uh yeah....somehow a man or woman can't figure that it's fun? Ridiculous. Personal opinions of former leaders
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All their advice ruined my youth. I’m a major 40 year incel today. I wanted some pretty sisters way back in the day but I was always unqualified socially, financially and most of all “spiritually.” To be fair it’s no easier in the rest of the world. A growing number of men are extremely dissatisfied with their options and when they’re told to improve themselves they really don’t know how. I work 56 hours a week bouncing from rental to rental cuz no home. Can’t have a feminine house wife if I can’t get a house.
Lots of love to you my friend. Yes, relationships are VERY complex in this day and age. no question. But you get your dysfunctional start by being exposed to a cult at a young age. Divorce reigns inside JWs now......
The multitude of 'dainty' fingers I see in the governing body videos it is EASY to figure out why they are so obsessed with this subject.
quite frankly it is inhumane to make a person wait for an unusually long time to have sex. after a certain age you can’t help it but feel weird when jokes or references are being made among friends and you can’t relate or you are a mature adult who is still “curious” about sex 😢a working bill paying mature adult who can’t relate to a simple common human experience such as sex
I'm so sorry, it truly is unnatural. Including making those that are single and virgins feel uncomfortable, adding to their loneliness in their 'spiritual paradise'
@@survivingparadisepodcast❤ true! For everybody it is normal but I feel and felt weird. Once a brother was asked, what he likes about his wife the most, and he said „it is obvious, but I can’t say it“ and much people laughed. I knew, he was speaking about her hoo ha, but I was disgusted. How could he speak about such a private thing in public?
Really, is it even a 3some if it doesn't involve a woman named "Zilpah"?
LOL!!!!!!
Oral sex, they flip flopped on this three times that I recall. There were articles in 1973, around 1978 and the one referred to here in the early 80’s.
Keep in mind that this advice came from the same people who tried to push child sexual abuse under the rug. I might have placed my tongue in places they didn’t approve of but I have never helped shield predators. Giving the GB a big FU on that point.
Totally... It was a huge no-no for years.
those were the feast or famine years accurately depicted in the film "Great Balls of Fire"
YES!!! Incredible history! Take a look at past episodes, but it's in print: they were DFing married people who were 'doing it'
@@survivingparadisepodcast peeking in windows in hopes of catching a wayward tongue. It was a crazy time and I was the dad of the family in the 70’s and 80’s.
in the early 70s I was just married, I did not get the point when they came out with these restrictions about oral sex. Their reasoning applying Romans 1 :27 to married heterosexual couples was illogical for me. As for me, I was sure this condemnation doesn t come from J. But it was a burden in my fresh marriage. How could I be sure about my wife? could I trust her? At the same time I was appointed as a (too young) elder. It was so uncomfortable, I hated it, when brothers or sisters came for guidance about it. As an elder you havent got any freedom of speaking out. I could write books about all these painful situations you get as a sincerely believing young elder whose answers are strictly controlled.
I bet you have some incredible stories! I can relate: it was brutal as an elder to see the stress, anger and duress on marriages due to this....it was completely fabricated! I think that is why they stopped commenting on it......as well as the fact that almost everyone was doing it!
all the bible examples showed you can’t talk about humans without talking about sex
besides what “hobbies” are they referring to when all they want you to do is read the bible and preach?
You're right, it's impossible. It's a HUGE part of our existence. There isn't a hobby on earth that will stifle sexual desire. It's natural.
Control+Alt+goberning body
truth!
Interesting I’m only seven minutes into your program and I already noticed some of your JW programming still in your head where they distinguish intercourse and sex as if the two were the same thing, Where•as there really is a difference between sex, and the actual act of intercourse, which may or may not produce offspring, and when I say intercourse, I’m referring member insertion and release of that stuff that makes babies. The reason I put it this way is because I’m afraid if I say any graphic parts, I’ll be censored. sex on the other hand is something God gifted mankind with that usually ends up with copulation and reproduction, however, sex alone does not necessarily end up in that way. Sex is an art form to a large degree, and intercourse is just a blatant and blunt act that can actually result in children. The only acts that God forbid basically in scripture and outlawed were same-sex, and hanky-panky with our furry animal friends, temple prostitution, and a slap on the wrist for self indulgence. Something GB call self abuse. They’re all supposed to be forms of unnatural perversions, which I have to say I pretty much agree with except for the self indulgence part. I could really get into this deeper as we all know. There are different ways to pleasure our partners or mates, and none of those things are mentioned in the Bible as outlawed or perverse when dealing with the oral persuasion.
The GB until somewhat recently demanded complete abstinence and used the Bible as they put it as their authority, I might add with no honest support from scripture whatsoever, they interpreted that the way they wanted to, and demanded that the rest of us do the same or we would experience the fire of Armageddon firsthand. They have since remain silent on such oral delights and no longer pressure adherence in this regard, however, if it became known that certain members were practicing decadence I can guarantee they probably would never receive any privileges or promotions to what they call advance in their “spiritual maturity”.
Love this Charles...and I'm VERY impressed with your power of observation! I do much of that on purpose...but it's subtle...and you caught it! I'm hoping to break through the cognitive dissonance that plagues a JW listening!
@@survivingparadisepodcast OK🤔
Well I have to mention masturbation is mentioned in the Bible, but only in an indirect way, but is clearly alluded to.
WTF the bible should NOT be in the bedroom or TV screen either! But two mature sisters asked the bible study what to do.......They did not know about lube! If you can purchase a lipstick you can purchase that at the same drugstore.
These were married ladies, sad how ignorant they were and one had grown children! Educate yourself.
SO TRUE! Older sisters putting their opinions on something so natural....messed up a lot of younger sisters!