Excellent video Dan and Christy. This series on accidents has been very interesting. You have done a great job digging in and providing a great deal of information on all of them. Keep up the excellent work. Have a great, and safe trip to and from Osh. Safe skies my friends 🇺🇸🛩️
I've heard it was a different crew flying when I saw it, but I parked next to N47BA at Dallas Love the day before the mishap. The NTSB final was really scant on the details, but there are a couple of things about the 450 pressurization system on that serial number that are interesting. First, in an abysmal failure of human factors, the 38 cubic foot O2 bottle for crew oxygen in the nose of all Lear 35's, is positioned such that when you open the inspection panel during the preflight, the regulator reads "OFF" even though the valve is positioned to the "ON" position, which is why you must test the cockpit masks for ten seconds to ensure that the valve is actually opened. Such is the political pull of the Wichita OEMs, that not even the NTSB factual included this information, even though any Simuflite or FSI Learjet pilot is taught this day one. Also on the Lear 35, both bleed air switches must be positioned on, (They generally remain in the on position) and the cabin air switch must be turned on after engine start. Even a crew that forgot this critical flow step and checklist item, would have been aware they screwed it up when the cabin started climbing with the jet and their ears started popping. Even if they ignored that, the emergency pressurization system would have dumped hot, but breathable air into the cabin as it climbed through, i think, 14,500 feet of pressure altitude. There was some speculation about large amounts of dry ice present in the seafood on board, and the mishap FO was not formally trained in the airplane but had instead done the typical scumbag Florida 135 operator three times around the pattern 61.58 ride. That is at odds with the NTSB final that show her typed. I won't speculate beyond that. If you're starting your career as a pilot and you have the opportunity to fly a swep-twing jet whose owner or operator tells you they don't send their FO's to formal training, smile and thank them and walk, do not run, to the next gig that does.
Spot-on analysis and Great advice. i was a product of 'company training' flying checks overnight in Lear's and know for a fact God exists ... or I'd be long dead. Also Massive Thanx later on to Harry "Gunner" Eckes from SimuFlite for the best Lear training on the planet! ^v^
They had an unsealed box of crab packed in dry ice, and when cabin pressure was turned up, the dry ice out gassed, and they died of carbon dioxide poisoning.
Great mini-documentary on this, Dan & Christy. I was living in Phoenix at that time, one day before my 26th b-day. I do remember hearing about it on the news at the time. At least everyone onboard never knew what hit them. Best way to go if you have to go. R.I.P., all on that flight.
I was living at the Champions Golf Course where he was to arrive. We had a great ceremony for him at the Club with Bagpipes and a grand breakfast with the golfers. As a pilot with a C-172 it was close to home. We had also chartered that same plane in West Palm Beach.
This incident was brought back to me as soon as I heard about the recent incident, wondering if it was a similar occurrence. I have never been a golfer (golf is just a waste of a good walk), but I remember Payne very well from the numerous matches I watched. I seem to recall that the colours Payne wore with the flamboyant outfits were actually based on colours of the various NFL teams. Great video.
A very sad and tragic Story. Thank you very much for picking it up. It remembers what happened in September last year with the Citation Ghost Plane, which finally crashed into the Baltic Sea. RIP to them all.
Well done…that was a crash that really hit home back in the day. Keep on with the reporting of past high profile accidents. It’s good to get a fresh take on them, and learn lessons we can all still use.
One interesting fact about the 35 is that on preflight, if you can see the word "ON" on the oxygen bottle valve in the nose oxygen service door, then the valve is in the off position and vice versa. This is because the arrow associated with the word is hard to see.
RIP Michael J. Kling (1956-1999) Stephanie Bellegarrigue (1972-1999) Payne Stewart (1957-1999) Robert E. Fraley (1953-1999) Van Ardan (1954-1999) and Bruce Borland (1958-1999)
Sad sad day not only for golf but all us aviators too. I remember when this happened can’t forget this day as it’s the day of my checkride for my private.
Dan this accident was a real tragedy all away around. I am a big golf fan and the death of Payne Stewart was difficult. But Payne was a Christian and his family was too and I think God has been faithful to them through the years. Things fail at times even if we do all we can to mitigate those events. It had to affected Payne's children and his wife knowing that there was not anything anybody could do to help them outside of making sure everyone cross their t's and dotted their i's every time.
I remember this day of news coverage clearly, almost as vividly as 9/11. Years later in early 2000’s, as a new turbo Mooney owner I visited OKC hypoxia course and went into the chamber. As we took our masks off at 25k feet pressure altitude and began the math calculations, I remember being a bit dizzy and feeling ok otherwise😅. Then I woke up with someone putting the oxygen mask over my face. Embarrassing and very sobering. Thanks for the review.
Is it possible to know the final report of the NTSB regarding the crash between two planes of World War II in which six people died? Thank you (It happened in Texas a short time ago) BCN
@@annsheridan12 yeah, my first thought was pilot incapacitation and not hypoxia. Our point in the video is that people are drawing comparisons. We’ll know for sure hopefully when the NTSB comes out.
@@TakingOff there was a blog where they said when the alarm went off and instead of instantly donning oxygen they took out the manual to check the procedure but if the voice recorder erased after 30 min. No one could know that.
They had an unsealed box of crab packed in dry ice, and when cabin pressure was turned up, the dry ice out gassed, and they died of carbon dioxide poisoning.
Excellent video Dan and Christy. This series on accidents has been very interesting. You have done a great job digging in and providing a great deal of information on all of them. Keep up the excellent work. Have a great, and safe trip to and from Osh. Safe skies my friends 🇺🇸🛩️
I've heard it was a different crew flying when I saw it, but I parked next to N47BA at Dallas Love the day before the mishap. The NTSB final was really scant on the details, but there are a couple of things about the 450 pressurization system on that serial number that are interesting. First, in an abysmal failure of human factors, the 38 cubic foot O2 bottle for crew oxygen in the nose of all Lear 35's, is positioned such that when you open the inspection panel during the preflight, the regulator reads "OFF" even though the valve is positioned to the "ON" position, which is why you must test the cockpit masks for ten seconds to ensure that the valve is actually opened. Such is the political pull of the Wichita OEMs, that not even the NTSB factual included this information, even though any Simuflite or FSI Learjet pilot is taught this day one.
Also on the Lear 35, both bleed air switches must be positioned on, (They generally remain in the on position) and the cabin air switch must be turned on after engine start. Even a crew that forgot this critical flow step and checklist item, would have been aware they screwed it up when the cabin started climbing with the jet and their ears started popping. Even if they ignored that, the emergency pressurization system would have dumped hot, but breathable air into the cabin as it climbed through, i think, 14,500 feet of pressure altitude. There was some speculation about large amounts of dry ice present in the seafood on board, and the mishap FO was not formally trained in the airplane but had instead done the typical scumbag Florida 135 operator three times around the pattern 61.58 ride. That is at odds with the NTSB final that show her typed.
I won't speculate beyond that. If you're starting your career as a pilot and you have the opportunity to fly a swep-twing jet whose owner or operator tells you they don't send their FO's to formal training, smile and thank them and walk, do not run, to the next gig that does.
Spot-on analysis and Great advice. i was a product of 'company training' flying checks overnight in Lear's and know for a fact God exists ... or I'd be long dead. Also Massive Thanx later on to Harry "Gunner" Eckes from SimuFlite for the best Lear training on the planet! ^v^
They had an unsealed box of crab packed in dry ice, and when cabin pressure was turned up, the dry ice out gassed, and they died of carbon dioxide poisoning.
Great mini-documentary on this, Dan & Christy. I was living in Phoenix at that time, one day before my 26th b-day. I do remember hearing about it on the news at the time.
At least everyone onboard never knew what hit them. Best way to go if you have to go. R.I.P., all on that flight.
I was living at the Champions Golf Course where he was to arrive. We had a great ceremony for him at the Club with Bagpipes and a grand breakfast with the golfers. As a pilot with a C-172 it was close to home. We had also chartered that same plane in West Palm Beach.
Great video, thank you for your investigation work
This incident was brought back to me as soon as I heard about the recent incident, wondering if it was a similar occurrence. I have never been a golfer (golf is just a waste of a good walk), but I remember Payne very well from the numerous matches I watched. I seem to recall that the colours Payne wore with the flamboyant outfits were actually based on colours of the various NFL teams. Great video.
Yes he was sponsored by the NFL, so he’d wear different team colors and such.
A very sad and tragic Story. Thank you very much for picking it up. It remembers what happened in September last year with the Citation Ghost Plane, which finally crashed into the Baltic Sea. RIP to them all.
Well done…that was a crash that really hit home back in the day. Keep on with the reporting of past high profile accidents. It’s good to get a fresh take on them, and learn lessons we can all still use.
Great video, well researched.
Always good lessons from the past.
One interesting fact about the 35 is that on preflight, if you can see the word "ON" on the oxygen bottle valve in the nose oxygen service door, then the valve is in the off position and vice versa. This is because the arrow associated with the word is hard to see.
RIP
Michael J. Kling
(1956-1999)
Stephanie Bellegarrigue
(1972-1999)
Payne Stewart
(1957-1999)
Robert E. Fraley
(1953-1999)
Van Ardan
(1954-1999)
and
Bruce Borland
(1958-1999)
Great presentation👍👍
Hello from Minnesota! Great episode!
Don't EVER quit your day jobs!!! I made it through 90 seconds before I totally cringed out! 😮
I've done the hypobaric chanber at Wright Patterson and highly recommend it! Also, wouldn't the iced-over windshields suggest rapid depressurization?!
Sad sad day not only for golf but all us aviators too. I remember when this happened can’t forget this day as it’s the day of my checkride for my private.
Wow.
Sad outcome.
Dan this accident was a real tragedy all away around. I am a big golf fan and the death of Payne Stewart was difficult. But Payne was a Christian and his family was too and I think God has been faithful to them through the years. Things fail at times even if we do all we can to mitigate those events. It had to affected Payne's children and his wife knowing that there was not anything anybody could do to help them outside of making sure everyone cross their t's and dotted their i's every time.
Great job
I remember this day of news coverage clearly, almost as vividly as 9/11. Years later in early 2000’s, as a new turbo Mooney owner I visited OKC hypoxia course and went into the chamber. As we took our masks off at 25k feet pressure altitude and began the math calculations, I remember being a bit dizzy and feeling ok otherwise😅. Then I woke up with someone putting the oxygen mask over my face. Embarrassing and very sobering. Thanks for the review.
You listed 4 crew. Besides the two pilots, who were the other two crew and why is there no info on them?
Two pilots and four passengers. If we said four crew, we misspoke.
Is it possible to know the final report of the NTSB regarding the crash between two planes of World War II in which six people died? Thank you
(It happened in Texas a short time ago)
BCN
Is it out yet?
Retractable gear will also be allowed
The Kentucky crash was pilot incapation, not depresuration.
We didn't discuss any Kentucky crash?
@@TakingOff my bad, the Virginia Cessna crash.
@@annsheridan12 yeah, my first thought was pilot incapacitation and not hypoxia. Our point in the video is that people are drawing comparisons. We’ll know for sure hopefully when the NTSB comes out.
@@TakingOff the cockpit windows were clear, temp at altitude-55degrees
@@TakingOff there was a blog where they said when the alarm went off and instead of instantly donning oxygen they took out the manual to check the procedure but if the voice recorder erased after 30 min. No one could know that.
They had an unsealed box of crab packed in dry ice, and when cabin pressure was turned up, the dry ice out gassed, and they died of carbon dioxide poisoning.
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you are mining the misery of others to generate youtube revenue. shame on you.
I’m guessing you’re also down on any news outlet, channel or magazine.