Setting Up a Kahler Spyder Locking Tremolo Bridge... on a 1988 Peavey Tracer Guitar!
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- This red 1988 Peavey guitar came into my shop last week - original owner bought new in 1989! It was pretty rough and dirty and needed a complete set-up, string change and Tremolo bridge set up. I disassembled the bridge completely to make sure it was lubed up and working properly... and I didn't lose any parts! Enjoy the video - Like & Subscribe!
-Steve
Manotick StringWorks
Ottawa, Ontario
sroyMSW@gmail.com
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Thanks For the clip I too happen to have an old 2nd hand Peavey Tracer I purchased in 2002 very cheaply due to the condition it was in.
Neck lacquer worn off in parts hex neck locking screws were worn enough that previous owner sawed a through top of nut to use a blade screw driver to loosen and tighten them (not a pretty sight) but least there still usable. I have since modified the the pickup selector switch to a 7 position but adding a couple of identical looking tiny switches so now I have 3 switches in total a row rather than original single split switch. How ever I have and still have major tuning issues with the Spyder trem /vibrato system.
No wonder it was cheap. Your clip has has given me a little more insight into the mechanics of the Trem system. As I had no success in finding a how to manual for that model.
Thank you this may inspire me to have another crack at dealing with it to improve tuning stability as I have not really used it much due to such issues.
I have a number of Gibsons LPs and Fenders Strat & Teles and it always been a little sad seeing it sitting there in the racks with the other guitars with the occasional play and dusting but in comparison somewhat neglected. Sadly parts are pretty well much no longer available particularly replacement screws for the neck locking nut.
A suggestion if I may.
Please be aware of your sound play back levels as it is some what attenuated I had to turn up my gain and then get my head blasted every time advertisement unexpectedly came on.
Many thanks for this video! I couldn't believe it when I went looking for a Spyder setup video and the guitar happened to be an 88 Traver, which I've also been the proud owner of since buying it new when I was 16. Very, very underrated guitar.
I am glad the video was helpful to you.
This video was so relaxing, thanks!
Glad you enjoyed it, Roman! I hope you have subscribed to my channel?
@@ManotickGuitarTech Just watched some of your other videos, and you've earned my subcription :)
Man, thank you so much for this video.
I recently managed to get ahold of a 1987 MIJ Fender Strat with a Kahler Spyder and even though I know that I could probably carry most stuff over from a floyd rose, I still needed to see the real deal on video.
Thanks again!
I am glad you enjoyed the video! I hope you have subscribed to my channel?
The bridge is not supposed to be parallel on this one. Per the manual for this guitar (which I just read today) it is supposed to be tipped up from (and I quote directly) "from 5 to 8 degrees" which will effect the intonation and the feel.
And yes I have exactly that guitar too.
Any chance you can send me a copy by email?
@@ManotickGuitarTech let's see if I can find it again.
I was wondering about this too. It's a dive-only bridge right? I have a '89 Fender HM that I just bought and it's my first non-cam Kahler. I thought there was a way to hardtail it too? And thanks for the video...very informative!
I'm surprised to find a video for this guitar! I have a Tracer in my closet. It needs all of these adjustments plus new locking nuts. I would love to swap the pickups also.
Thank you for making this video. I have a spider on a Fender Prodigy that I am fighting with and I was pretty lost before I watched this video. Now I just need to find 2 of those “saddle covers” or whatever they are called and I’ll be in good shape. I saw someone call them “string lock block” also. Whatever you call them, I will probably have to spend the rest of my life looking for 2 of them.
try
www.whammyparts.com/kahler-replacement-parts/2720-spyder
Glad you didn't lose any parts...nice work on modifying the hex key...great job!!!
Thanks, Mo...always a fun adventure digging into older guitars
Nice video! I'm also struggling with my Vandenberg to find a whammy bar and the locking nut screws and the holder ferules. Also still not solved the truss rod adjustment due to the depth. Is there any tool to set the intonation on Spyder?
I had my Fender HM strat set up and blocked of the Kahler spyder trem , I’m a beginner I didn’t want a full floating bridge, but my issue is the string action is too high at neck pick ups, but the guy doing the adjustment is a professional at this stuff and owner of the guitar shop he’s also a friend but the string height is too far from the fretboard for this beginner. I’m not sure what to do about this?
What type of wire did you use to make those dual sided action and pickup height gauges?
I can get white with maple board h/s. In mint shape....but no case listed ..
if you think about it, the previous owner tying the strings onto the guitar is pretty metal
Hi buddy!. Very nice guitar and job.. may i ask you a question?.. i got a Fender hm 89 with same Kahler bridge, it´s driving me nuts with the arm replacement. Im from Arg and there is no chance to get something similar. Can you give me one idea...i was thinking on use a Floyd rose bolt on the whammy hole. But that will be a a mess..on the Kahler, when drilling the hole...any cheap arm replacement?
try
www.whammyparts.com/kahler-replacement-parts/2720-spyder
Somos dos Eduardo... yo tengo el mismo Spyder en una Fender Prodigy. No tengo el brazo ni las morsas de la cejilla, me quiero matar :'(
Somos 3, también soy de Arg, tengo una Fender Strat HM con este sistema,en mi caso tengo todo pero la palanca tiene juego y aún con teflón sigue teniendolo ya que la rosca en la parte superior esta agrandada...es bastante molesto
@@eze_aquel la cejilla podes ponerle una de floyd genérica que anda perfecto. Así la tengo en mí guitarra. La palanca una sambong de 6 mm en fusión músical anda perfecto.
@@FranStereo11 hay un pequeño tornillo Allen dónde va la palanca
Sino Compra una sambong de 6 mm en fusión músical y listo el pollo
How do you adjust the action if it's too high?
Thanks. what is the height of the string on the first freat? I am asking as want to know if you need to shim the nut or not
I like to see .018" of space under the strings and the the top of the 1st fret
There's so many moving parts on this thing. I don't understand where along the process you set the mount height. I always get stuck with either insane high action or a bridge permanently arched forward
Logan, at the 16:50 mark I show how you use a block to prevent the tremolo from moving while you set the string height. Just make sure the trem is sitting parallel to the body by tightening or loosening the springs.
@@ManotickGuitarTech what's going on with the height of the mounts though, the two big Alan screws? Looks like your bridge is mounted much much higher than my HM Strat (at level with the bridge pickup). If I go to raise the mounting posts/screws, we're talking about like a quarter inch of action at the 12th fret.
That was a long time ago when I did that setup but I am pretty sure that I did not touch the height of the mounting screws... it was like that see 21:59
Look at 0:41 and you will see that the mounting screws are flush with the body - try that with your guitar.
@@ManotickGuitarTech thank you again! If the action is then still very very high after I do this does that indicate a truss rod adjustment? Or something else?
do you have a video of you intonating this type of bridge?
Kenny, I dont because I dont see too many Floyd Rose style guitars...they are a bit of pain because you have to loosen the block and move it by hand then lock it down. Almost always slips, kot as easy as a screw adjustment.
Hi, I need a lot of help from you. Please, I have a 1988 fender hm with the kalher spyder bridge but I don't have the locknut, can you take measurements of yours and send me. I want to make it to order in my city. Please
That was not my guitar, I fixed it for a client... can't give you any measurements.
I can never understand why people insist on installing the three trem springs in the guitar at funny angles, when they are all supposed to be parallel to each other so they can equally contribute tension to counter-act the tension on the strings when they are tuned up to pitch.
Simon, I agree -the springs should be inline with the block so they create even pressure along all 6 strings...seems like simple physics to me.
How do you intonate this trem? I'm baffled.
Baffles me too - I hate Floyd Rose bridges... 😁
You loosen the saddle blocks; slide them around and then tighten them again.
Very similar to my 88 HM strat
It has a Floyd Rose setup?
No it’s a floater. You should be able to go a half a step sharp.
Oh will floyd rose locking nuts fit this guitar .. the tracer I'm looking at has no locking nuts it missing the 3 lockdown nuts. Lol
Pretty sure you need the Kahler hardware
I lost the blocks on mine replaced the entire locking nut with a floyd rose one.
I replaced the dome screws with floyd lock screws on my HM Strats ..they fit just make sure threads are same to be sure
Metal machines
thats the one without a Cam more like a Floyd
This video is so quiet you can barely hear him speak, even with the volume cranked all the way up.
Sound too low.
Yeah, early video... better at editing nowadays 😁
Man tear that thing down. Take out the frets. Clean up the fingerboard Reduce a nice 16 inch radius on it or a compound. Put all new electronics and pickups. Open up the route on that thing. And if the kahler is ok so be it. Otherwise rebuild it or replace with something better. Right now you have potential but you could have a serious contender.
Well, if it was mine, maybe...😁
In other words, Barbara is telling you to "Do a ton of costly repairs that will in the end completely alter the guitar and reduce its value, all while netting you a profit loss" so that you can waste your time and money.
@@inherentmirth5180 Yes that would appear to be the case.
A reasonable US made guitar for the time but unless you have lots of money and love tinkering with guitar for the sake of it.
It is likely not worth the effort for most folks to do.