How Accurate Is Valkyrie
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- Опубліковано 11 вер 2024
- Valkyrie is a 2008 historic thriller based around one of the most successful attempts to assassinate Adolf Hitler, but how accurate is it? Hopefully this video will cover the basics
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I find this movie to be far ahead in terms of portraying true history correctly than many of the Hollywood films. In my opinion, this is one of the most underrated WW2 movie.
SK Agreed.
Sorry but this movie is loaded with Historical inaccuracy's !!!
Downfall is way better
@@FutureMartian97 downfall strays...its path in a way ..points out the good character of Hitler which...is ambiguious
@@ginocarlini1640 I know you're trying to sound smart but you just sound like an idiot
So many years past, so many people involved each with their own account of what took place. You can't get it 100% spot on. I know 1 thing for sure, I wasn't there and neither was the narrator. This movie was very underrated.
A10PANG I know. I really liked it, though it was panned by the critics
True!
It's made for Hollywood not history. The 1950s version is still the best. Not sure if it's available with English subtitles
@@johnbaugh243762% tomato meter rating - not great; but not "panned" either
A theatrical recreation of history can never do the actual events justice but as long as the story of what happened gets across that's what really matters,,
you dont need your nazis to have british accents.. theres a myriad of german actors who are very good actors.
I guess it being Hollywood, they're inclined to cast the more established names mainstream. But yeah I'd much prefer that@@SandorSoptei
all i know is Lt Haeften stepping in front of Stauffenberg made me cry when i watched this ten years ago, and it made me cry the same way rewatching it tonight. phenomenal movie.
The July 20 plot failed because the windows in the conference hut were open, allowing the blast to escape and not bounce back onto the meeting participants. The meeting was moved from the bunker to the hut because the weather was hot and the bunker was insufferable. But the photos from the aftermath of the bombing show people in heavy coats, suggesting that the meeting was moved to a less lethal spot for some other reason.
Although this movie has been criticized for inaccuracy, you have to take an audience with you, and this video shows it to be a faithful representation. I thought the guy at the end who steps in front of Stauffenberg must have been 'Hollywood-ised', but if there's something to support it, fair enough. It downplays the depravity of the Nazis post-event actions, but overall it seems good.
Stauffenberg must have been a considerable figure, and a worthy hero for modern Germany
The guy who stepped in front of Stauffenberg, Lieutenant Haeften, really did it in real life.
There’s rumours that Haeften and Stauffenberg were lovers
The coolest moment in this movie was “ LONG LIVE SACRED GERMANY”
Shöts
From what I've read General Frederich Olbricht (the Bill Nighy character) wasn't the coward that he was portrayed in the movie.
I'm sure Fromm spared the 4 men from a fate worse than death. They were doomed either way but would have been tortured and brutally killed. It was sort of an act of mercy in a way. He could not have saved them.
When some of the resistance members were hanged Hitler had insisted to use pianowire and hang them from meat hooks. Hitler later enjoyed watching the film made of that.
Cant get enough of this movie!
Kinda wild that they went through so much effort for a coup when they could of just used one suicide bomber guy, or one guy in a meeting, pulling a gun and killing hitler. Yeah, that guy would of died right away, but that would of been 1 guy dying for the greater good vs an entire group of people.
They made several attempts to suicide bomb Hitler, but all failed. Hence the suitcase.
They tried numerous times...
That group of people would have kept fighting for the sake of the NAZI party... SS Luftwaffe were amongst the worse human beings in history
thank you for sharing your knowledge... however as films go thus far, this is an exceptional and underrated WW2 film... it shed light to matters relevant today - resist and fight against inhumane and injustice, stand up against nationalist and perpetuators of fear and hate.
its rated one of the worst WW2 movies of all time due to inaccuracy, and awful presentation of events. LMFAO at germans with british and american accents. Let me guess, you are trying to pull the orange man bad card with this film. which in its self is pathetic. but id expect nothing else from a karen
This is great work. I hope you create more!
I always wondered about the scene after the July 15 attempt showing the meeting with Goerdeler and if it was historically correct. If it was known a warrant was issued for Goerdeler, why would so many of the major conspirators be allowed to be meeting with him in one place? If there was a warrant I guess they should assume that he had been (or was) under surveillance by the gestapo. Having all those men together at one time would have been dangerous indeed.
ty for this vid. I really like to watch videos that separate fact from fiction. there was a website that used to do it called reel to real, but they don't have a lot of movies to search from. one thing that gets me is why would anybody leave out anything. granted it would probably be an 8 hr movie lol but a lot of based on a true story movies make up drama where the real events had enough drama that there isn't any point to create fake drama. that's why I could never be a director. I could never tell the full story.
One inaccuracy is that they show (in an amazing scene) Hitler landing on a Junkers 52 plane code D-2600 “Immelmann II” lend by Lufthansa, although this plane was frecuently used by him in the past, by that time, he was flying a FW-200 Condor, a larger, 4 engine plane out of a recommendation from Hitler’s personal pilot, general Hans Baur.
I would note that whilst it is now known that Tresckow drafted the Valkyrie revisions, it was believed until 2007 with the new release of documents by the Russians (and around the time the script would have been written) that Stauffenberg was responsible for the revisions. The writers most likely used the best information that was available at the time.
The most annoying inaccurasy in this otherwise iconic film.....
Stauffenberg never made his round trip to Wolf’s Redoubt in Rastenburg, Poland from Templehof.
He made it from Rangsdorf Luftwaffe Airbase......and NOT in a Juncker JU-52 but a Heinkel HE-111
Yes but come on there are way more historical inaccuracy's then just that!
The most likely could not use an He-111 since none of them exist anymore. Or at least the ones that fly
They got the plane wrong? Outrageous! It completely ruins the entire film! I am appalled! If you can't trust Hollywood, who can you trust?!
@@Perfidion myself I can trust than Hollywood 😂
Talking about inaccuracies: "Rastenburg, Poland"? Poland? Get your facts straight before you blame others.
I knew that many of the executions were filmed for Hitler to watch, but I never heard about anybody being tortured to death just to torture him to death. Who was that, and why was he singled out for such treatment?
most of the differences were just technicalities. the essence of the events were still captured very well, even if timelines were squeezed and it took a bit of an optimisitc tone. the smoothbrains on comment sections making cheap remarks about how Nazis spoke with British accents are just noise. A movie of this scale would struggle to be produced by the German film industry, and even if it was, the lack of English dialogue and Anglosphere film stars would hamper its box office performance.
didnt get to see all of his uncles name on screen. the video recommendations came on screen right before the showing. i really am starting to hate that 20 seconds of videos i view to have that at the end.
This documentary was fascinating no matter what and I enjoyed the movie. Top of my list along with the best acting from Tom Cruise. I love when he doesnt play himself
It's a movie. There is a limited amount of time. Since it is a movie and not a documentary, maybe you should realize some liberties were taken.
There’s a great joke that albeit _is_ LOADS of decades old, still works real well:
An American, British or even a Russian captain of a passenger jet begins landing at a Berlin airport:
“Vy don’t you pronounce German names und places correctly?🤷🏻♂️🤓🇩🇪” a German traffic controller asks the British pilot-
“Because we won the war, mate…🤷🏻♂️👨🏻✈️🇬🇧”
This is a very excellent video
you have my subscription (;
Fuck?!
I seriously value and respect your video-
But, fuck… I hate how inaccurate this film has turned out to be- and I’m torn between that and still seriously liking this otherwise masterpiece.
The valkyrie we're not handmaidens to the gods. The valkyrie were the goddesses who own their own accord and judgment took those who died actor exemplifying some type of virtue dedication are just being good soldiers.
All I know is "Long Live Sacred Germany!"
Jack Bauer in the film?
Sir. I was stoked about watching this video. How am I supposed take you serious as an authority when you have so many spelling errors?
And these are NOT "typos".
They are NOT knowing how to spell.
Language is the ULTIMATE HISTORY.
Study it.
Guess who didn't winning a spelling contest ?
Guess who didn't win a grammar contest.
@very nice buahahahah
@@muffinman5741 LMAO
high ranking polititions or politicians ?
Do you take Requests?
the movie is very histrically accurate. the movie designers forgot to mention about the officer corp disillusion after stalingrad that coverted staffenberg pro nazi to anti nazi. also staffenberg was a critic of the poor, helpless, low profile, oppressed jews in germany who actually were swindling, socially destructive, money grubbing scourge on the german culture and society who wanted to communize germany and control its wealth that they succeeded in russland and created USSR that the bolshvik jews control.
you sound like a nazi piece of shit
Why are there Christian churches in Germany?......why do they worship a Jewish Messiah ?
Not an entirely inaccurate description of Stauffenberg's mixed personal beliefs, but what you're saying is downright racist against Jews.
"polititions"
Your spelling of follow-through fell short as well, I'm afraid.
Thing that bothered me was all the brittish actors who made no attempt at sounding German. Made it seem like a plot by the SAS, not members of the German military/government.
When I saw the film the 2 worst aspects were the excess of English actors. Everyone speaking with an English accent and expecting the audience to believe they were German is a stretch. showing the complexity and size and high levels of security at the wolfs lair would have also added another dimension to the movie but this wasn't really conveyed. Staffenburg would be considered to be a German national hero so as a measure of appreciation alot more German or Austrian actors should have been used. So unlike for example Schindlers List or Das Boot which you can look at repeatedly and always see some added nuance this was very much a see once and then never again kind of film.
I thought Stauffenburg's injury's came from a landmine?
yup a landmine annihilated his head and hands
To be serious though, no he got strafed by some P-40's I believe
pronounced VAHG-ner . not WAGner
wounded . not injured.
What is the difference?
@@linda10989 Hi Linda, a wound is received as a result of combat engaged with an enemy trying to kill you and the action may be eligible for a decoration. An injury is usually the result of an accident - no decoration. When discussing military subjects, it's important to differentiate the two. There's a big difference between breaking your leg skiing and breaking it because you were hit by artillery shrapnel. :) .
@@heyricksander thanks! ☺️
Hitler "really was an evil person". Really? Blimey, the things you learn.
Overall, though, a brilliant film with some fantastic acting - Tom Cruise is first rate.
Although this movie is visually very well done. That's where my compliments stop. I think Tom Cruise was horrible as Claus Von Stauffenberg.
Tom Cruise does not act German and acted in ways no German would. He portrayed Von Stauffenberg as a boy scout who was always completely
against the National Socialist and Hitler. This is so far from reality. In the 1930s he like most other Germans, was awestruck by Hitler and during the
war when things were going well for the Wehrmacht. Stauffenberg like many of the other conspirators (Wehrmacht Officers), completely supported
the war and Hitler. It was only when the tide started turning, did a lot of them join the conspiracy to remove Hitler. Also several officers that served
with him in Poland said several times he made Anti Semitic remarks and that he knew what the Waffen SS were doing to the Jews in Poland. But
the way Tom Cruise portrays this person, you would never believe that.
Another inaccuracy in this film is the constant use of the Hitler Salute or "Hitlergruß" by members of the Wehrmacht (Heer/Army, Luftwaffe/Airforce,
Kreigsmarine/Navy). The Wehrmacht refused to adopt the Hitler salute officially and was able for a time to maintain its own customs. The only time they
were required the Hitler salute was while singing the Horst Wessel Lied and the National German Anthem and in non-military encounters both within and
outside the Wehrmacht (for example, when greeting members of the civilian government). At all other times they were permitted to use their traditional salutes.
Only after the July 20th plot (the events in this film), they were required to use the Hitler Salute or "Hitlergruß" at all times. In addition, in this film only once do you see
Von Stauffenberg use a traditional military salute and that was in the scene in North Afrika. Interesting enough, the one time in the movie when they didn't use it and
should of, was is in another Fictional scene when Von Stauffenberg went to see Hitler at the Berghof. In the movie, neither him or General Fromm saluted Hitler or any
of the senior staff (Field Marshall Goering, Reichsfuhrer Himmler, Goebbells, Speer, General Keitel) when they walked in the room. In reality "Operation Valkyrie" was first
approved and then sent to Stauffenberg. He never met went to Berghof.
Also the scene with the assignation attempt by Treskow and his adjutant with the liquor bottles (2nd scene in the movie) actually took place way earlier before Stauffenberg
was injured in North Afrika. It was also not General (actually at this time he was an Oberst - Colonel) Treskow who goes to Berlin to retrieve the Un-exploded bomb in the liquor
bottles from Oberst Brandt. It was his Adjutant. So his meetings with General Olbricht and then Oberst Brandt never happened. In that fictional scene they also very briefly mention
General Hans Oster who was a big part of the conspiracy with General Beck, but is only mention this once in the film.
I could go on and on about the historical mistakes in this movie.There quite a lot.
Re: "he made Anti Semitic remarks and that he knew what the Waffen SS were doing to the Jews in Poland."
This is unfair overreach. While reportedly he did made anti-semitic remarks,
he was appalled by Kristalnacht. Hoffman's book "Stauffenberg" (or "Secret
Germany", Baigent &Lee both of which I read) also reports he walked out of a lecture by J. Streicher the virulent anti-semite and brushed back an SS officer who challenged him as he was leaving. Morover, he belonged to Stefan George's circle which didn't tolerate anti-semitism. Most importantly, the same book reports, during visits to the Russian front, Stauffenberg came to know of the mass murders and said "These crimes must not be allowed to continue". He was involved in Resistance activities and planning from that time as well.
Evidently, you are educated in this department but you're missing the mark.
Stauffenberg starting becoming disillusioned in 1942, you know, when the Nazis held the most territory, when they were at their peak? He wasn't just trying to save his own skin, hell look at most German generals they survived the war and even wrote books about it. Also, it's Oberstleutnant, what the fuck is an Oberst-Colonel?
Offensichtlich bist du mit der deustchen Sprache nicht gut vertraut, nor the ranking of the Wehrmacht
"Politicians" is spelled wrong in the opening frame.
Gives your video more authority if words are spelled correctly.
I was very interested in this video until I saw the first slide.
Was Franz Halder aware of the entire operation
HeyGuysItsEnzo’s comment is the only One that dosent sound like some art critic
Nice
STILL VERY "ENTERTAINING"
It's really a case of you can't include all of that in a movie and keep it entertaining.
I think it's very accurate.
First country that Nazis occupied was Germany people forget that
Was he evil? ruina est hominis devorare sanctos et post vota tractare
Munus.
First of all, they talk english in the film...
Yes but they didn't want to hinder the performances with bad German accents.
they blamed Rommel but he had nothing to do with it
@Fabian Kirchgessner Nobody< knows for sure if he knew about it......
@Fabian Kirchgessner dude your forgetting hitler killed 87 Generals during his time! He was just crazy and thought every High Ranking Officer betrayes him
@@tavish4699 Today's researchers say that Rommel knew about the assassination attempt and supported it. Though he wasn't directly involved.
An entertainig movie but nothing more then that.Movies are for entertainment not for learning history and science.
Let,s have it right they were traitors
barry thomas to the Nazis they was traitors to me and I guess to most people they was freedom fighters
Fabian Kirchgessner sorry dude I thought you was replying to me my bad I had a brain fart moment
If a soldier starts to think he is a conscience of the world and acts against his superiors, his head of state or the Fatherland, he is a traitor. Plain and simple. (Even if Stauffenberg had succeeded, there would have been no peace with Allies, in Germany a civil war would have broken out instead and the fronts would have collapsed much faster, causing a lot more military and especially civilian deaths than happened in reality.)
„Wähle Ungnade, wo Gehorsam keine Ehre bringt“... lang lebe das heilige Deutschland... noch länger lebe es ohne Nazis
You are not correct.
In a normal system of military command an officer is granted and more so is expected to refuse orders that endanger the troops under his command for no military benefit, as a whole. The word is "normal". And Hitler's military was not a normal one.
The film is correct that the officers and troops made an oath to Hitler, himself, first and only, above even Germany.
This is ludicrous to do.
It was obvious Germany would lose the war very early as they had no source of oil after they lost north Africa. Rommel notes this.
And the Cauasus oil reserve are so distant as to make them irrelevant-a fantasy.
Many officers realized that the war was unwinable.
The military doesn't fight just to fight and die. But rather, they fight for a purpose.
Hitler asked them to die for no purpose but his ego. And that is not what an thinking officer does.
Good job. Thanks.
Lol. Whose name looks like this. Lol
"polititions" lol
I read the movie completely ignored Rommel!
Rommel was wounded three days before the July 20 attempt and not involved, so there's really no good reason to include him.
@@strategicsage7694 His reputation was such that not to include him would have ensured the Army would not have laid down it's arms in the event of Hitler's death. Of course, Germany might have been divided earlier and it's Armed Forces fought one another...we'll never know.
You spelled politicians wrong
‘Polititions’ lmao
You should watch history buffs he makes these things so much more entertaining.
Thats because he has a much higher budget. This guy does it for free and it’s pretty good
Nitpicking
I really like the film but the only thing I didn’t like about this film was that everyone was either talking in an American accent or a British accent.
The Movie was way inaccurate you also were way inaccurate
Jack Novell says the idiot who wasn't there.
Justin Matthew you're welcome
Dumbass
Your grammar is grosly faulted
The problem isn’t just your pronunciation, it’s the spelling errors. So distracting…
bias gtfo lmao
" Many people forget that the first country the Nazis invade was their own "
Long Live Sacred Germany