How Likely are Smash Ultimate's 25 MOST Wanted Newcomers? | SMASH MATH
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- Опубліковано 27 чер 2024
- Smash Bros Ultimate has added Minecraft Steve (and Alex) to the Fighters Pass and now everybody is thinking... 'who will be next?'. Never fear, Smash Math has the answers. Probably.
So forget about Minecraft Steve, put that controller down and get excited about the next thing to be added to Smash Ultimate instead! Please?
To read the FULL 1000+ Character List of most wanted Newcomers, you can find the full poll over at Source Gaming: sourcegaming.info/2020/06/20/... - Ігри
Great news, the joint 79th most requested fighter Sephiroth is IN! Even better news, he was Math Certified being an RPG, MALE, EAST, 90s, Return Publisher, Return Series Fighter. The best news? Since all his attributes have duplicates his addition doesn't change the math AT ALL. Everything in this video still stands for at least another few months. SWEET RELEASE!
Math wins again!
The math just works
Def think Eggman or Tails has a high chance of being in, along side his Math Certification, Sonic's 30th anniversary is upcoming.
@@I_AmGamR I'd say tails is extremely unlikely (unless as an echo), but Eggman has a good chance.
H...how....how do you do this? Honest to god it all seems too perfect.
Waluigi barely not making it into the top 10 is such a Waluigi move.
He’s already in the game.
Waluigi is too good to be a fighter
@@mgmakaveli8784 so was Bomberman and his exact model is being used as a mii costume, so realistically, anything is on the table
@@HeftyDan
So that means Waluigi can be a fighter despite having his trophy in the game?
@@jemd5766 bruh MinMin had a spirit before she was in the game, so yes, he can be in
If you go into the 3DS eShop right now, Phoenix Wright is actually the face of the RPG category (for some reason). Apparently, Nintendo considers Ace Attorney to be RPG, which means his genre deconfirmation is legally revoked. TAKE THAT!
If you started the comment with a HOLD IT! that would have been perfect
Let's not lose hope
OBJECTION!
Technically you are roleplaying as a lawyer. So rpg count i guess
@@dieptrieu6564 With that logic, every single videogame in existence is an rpg.
Backseat: Geno is math approved
Sakurai: Mii Costume lol
It’s not fully his choice the company also makes the choice and sakurai actually wanted geno in the game too but couldn’t have him because square enix wouldn’t allow it considering they own the character
@@gameworldmaster5916 to be honest I myself thought that he was unlikely, it’d be weird if Square chose him over characters like Sephiroth
I’m honestly shocked square even agreed to put a character they made in the game, they are very strict
Hello again
@@gameworldmaster5916 Honestly, id bet Nintendo was a bigger obstacle Square. We all know the antagonism theyve developed towards third party characters In Mario rpgs.
Backseat: "We're using math to explain why these characters can or can't be in smash."
Sakurai: "The characters must originate from a video game."
and have to have a purpose for getting in and their creators have to allow it
@@gopher275 Obviously the creators have to allow it but he never mentioned anything about a “purpose” like what was Joker’s purpose? Or Banjo?
@@ingaspingas1 I don't know the purpose but I know there is one, Sakurai isn't that random you know
And must be fun to play as and have an influence
Imagine if they get DragonBall in Smash but it's A21 because she's the most popular db character that's purely from videogames
"The Doom Slayer won't be in Smash"
This sign can't stop me, because I can't read
same guy who gets told he can't shoot a hole into the surface of Mars
The longer he isn't in smash, the stronger he becomes
@@thedreamdrug495 rip and tear
@@abnormalguy6269 I wonder how his revel trailer will be like
@Han Callerame 2025 haha bayonetta torture attacks go brrrr
*At least Eggman Is Certified,so he can make his announcements*
Lol
When I seen this comment it made me think of egg man in the snapcube sonic adventure speech
*SHADOW THE HEDGEHOG F**KED MY WIFE AND THEN SAID IT WAS "this big"*
-Dr Eggman
Anyone familiar with Eggman's announcements at his amusement park in Sonic Colors? That would be a great inclusion for a stage
@@christophersmall8256 *this Comment Is a Reference to that.*
I like how Pyra/Mythra messes up this entire thing
2010s
Female (and 100% at that)
with their other categories being RPG, Returning Series, and Returning Publisher
Kinda thinking that the Bae Blades would sit in the both category as during development they wanted them to be a trio with Rex, to the point of him being included in both taunts and final smash... just a thought maybe
That's Xenoblade for you.
Everything messes this thing tbh. Predicting "by math" is always foolish asf lol. It's like the best you can get is a "You tried!" stamp
and then kazuya comes in to destroy fighting games and a prison breakout for all fighting game characters same with pyra and mythra to save all female characters and I guess mech characters and also birdo and also shante gets a spirit and mii fighter coustume and same with doom guy/slayer but with just a mii fighter coustume
Fun fact: I lost 200 dollars because I bet my friend Steve would never be in smash
That was an awful bet but I can relate to it
Should have done this but with waluigi
Me 2 I lost 20 bucks to my friend no joke because I said Sora is next and he said Minecraft Steve is coming.
F
its a me memes no with revolver ocelot
Imagine Nintendo showing a video of Dr. Eggman saying "I've got an announcement to make"
That would totally make my day.
That would be the most epic meme character reveal ever
shadow the hedgehog is a b-
Lol
The chances of a character already in a series is very unlikely but who knows, probably not Dr. Eggman though.
Backseat: female characters are mathmatically not possible.
Pyra and Mythra: hold our swords.
It’s hilarious how Sephiroth fits the math better than Sora and he got in
How is that hilarious? If he fit the math better, isn’t that the expected result?
Backseat must be very proud of how the third DLC fighter of Fighter Pass 2 passed the entire third row on his chart. Now, there are two platformers and one RPG, two males and one both, three Easterns, one 1980's rep, one 1990's rep and one 2000's rep that references the 80's, two returning publishers and one new publisher, two returning series and one new series.
I think sakurai watched his videos and based the fighters off the math, he probably wanted to see fan suggestions and stumbled upon this video
@@sangkim6556 no, the fighters are decided waaay ahead of time
@@HiHello-wb9yq that would make sense since we have pyra and mythra who, unless Xenoblade pulled a big plot twist, are both female
"No, rather the issue is actually being a purely female character" now THAT'S a Gamer thing to say
Because M A T H
Emphasis on *purely*
Based af smh 😤
B A S E D B A C K S E A T?!?!
We already have a bunch of male characters as well though so I don’t think that is a valid reason
OBJECTION! Phoenix wright has appeared in a fighting game and thus fits the qualifications to at least be on probation.
...but all fighting game reps were automatically disqualified due to the inclusion of Min Min
@@JWNimble Phoenix Wright isn’t from a fighting game, but he’s in one
@@JWNimble these arbitrary rules we make as a community mean nothing. if sakurai wanted to add another fighting game rep he could. stop spreading lies and conjecture.
@@bankroll6088 I know, but in this make believe we are discussing characters in terms of how they fit into this arbituary table, Its very likley that the actual DLC characters wont fit into a table that was in part made as a joke, but it is fun to discuss.
I want to point out Phoenix Wright has met and crossed over with Chrom and Lucina already and has a moveset there, too.
Wow, to think that Pyra/Mythra obliterated the math 3 times.
The era and the gender with a double fighter.
Pyra and Mythra pass everything except the era, actually.
It's scary how accurate this still was for Sephiroth (Pyra and Mythra deconfirmed this)
We can cross off one RPG, one Male, one East, one 1990s, one Returning PUB, and one Returning Series.
Well, tô be honest, these are very generic categories, and the method he's using to "predict" characters leaves a lot of space to imagination. The real problem will come with the last three or two characters, who will be too unpredictable for this method. But still, this is a mathematical wonder, so it does its job
hahahaha this didn't age well
@@jokx4409 What?
@@RainTheWolfie ah sorry I misread. Never mind
welp :)
*if the math checks out with my top pick* - Yeah, his math checks out.
*if the math doesn't check out with my top pick* - Your math is off, too many restrictions
True, that’s what I see people are saying
Seriously who tf use gender as a restriction
@@piksqu9544 I had the same reaction to that!
@@piksqu9544 You realize the math is all based on patterns and representation right? It's not a restriction but rather it effects odds. If smash only added 1 purely female character with each dlc pass set, you would probably bet that the same would happen here, right? Think of it as trying to follow trends in stock or behavioral analysis which is all basically educated guesses.
@@piksqu9544 gender as a restriction is sexist
Honestly I hope the math checks out the whole way cause that’d be hilarious
First reply after 320 likes. BOOYAH!!!!
@@SurrealMath1 👉😎👉
They will fail, don't worry
@@piksqu9544 dang have some faith
It’s math!! How can it be wrong???
considering that the math is useless, probably not. sakurai never had any rules for characters, other than being in a game. fans just make it more complex than it needs to be
Insane that Sephiroth is 100% Math Certified. THE MATH WORKS BOYS.
I reinterpreted the graph, and no categories were taken out. So at the moment, all of these picks are still accurate
What era does he represent? FF started in the 80s, but every bit of FF representation comes from FF7, which was released in 1997. So, 80s or 90s? Either way, he still fits
"It just works".
@@lukesoup27 He's either 90s or 2000s (advent children).
But Pyra an Mythra ruined this cuz they are both female when there is already min min and the era so this is broken now lol.
I can put Doomslayer on a caution.
In 2005, an official Doom game called “Doom RPG” was released, which is an RPG, so that might be able to save him.
Also the 3ds Eshop calls Ace attorney a rpg
@@reillymcwriting wouldn't it fit more in the visual novel category
@@notacatiswear2849 nintendo considers it as an rpg. it makes sense anyway. there's an earlier discussion in the comments discussing it. I won't go too deep into it here.
Thank you friend
Or the fact that the newest Doom games are first person shooters with platforming, allowing him to fit one of the platforming spots
Imagine how funny it would be if the last 4 fighters were all those he ruled off lol
Or ones that don't fit the Math that he didn't mention
Please Hollow Knight...
I think the real issue is Both should be a Either instead of a clear penalty
The heavy
@@Hatefulahhnga *Y E S*
Everybody: Yeah, Crash would be the best fit in Smash cause-
Nintendo: We got you covered. Here's James from Fortnite.
Ironically wouldn’t be mad if they did that
Based
Jonesy*
@@ralphthefrog3086 I would.
I mean... let him "b" boxes fo weapons, he can use in his smashattacks
Let him down b to drink blue slime, (gives a shield and that needs to get destroed before he gets dmg
Ult is easy, he builds himself up, jumps, 360 NoScopes the Enemy/Rocked Launcher if he hits more than one
Dances in the Endcard and with a florless victory, he gets the Victory Royal at the endscreen
"Reimu Hakurei, whose games look like this"
Me: i know what's coming already
"And search results look like this"
Me: jeez calm down i get it i get it
sheesh 69 likes
For a second I thought the search results would be censored r34.
Who came here after Pyra got announced?
It seems like Pyra deconfirms the math here so I'm hoping for the biggest internet-breaking dlc ever to come in smash bros. Someone with a fanbase big as Steve.
@@Sean-nr3ts It didn't, because Rex was included in her Final Smash and taunts, so she did fall into the Female with Male category making her Caution correct.
@@scarffoxandfriends9401 I believe you, so I guess Ryu Hayabusa and Geno for the last slots?
@@Sean-nr3ts actually, Ryu and Crash are the ones who fit the remaining math. Xenoblade took the other RPG rep. So supposedly the last two characters are platformers. Though, the current rumored characters are Crash and Monster Hunter. MH would break the math in the end, but I don't think they'll see it as a lost if it takes up to the literal last character to break their system.
@@scarffoxandfriends9401 And of the prediction per the year?
I really hope that a blocked character gets in so we can watch Backseat have a mental breakdown. 😂
yesss let it be shantaee
@@fromhimandforhim - Yeah! My perfect next characters would be Crash Bandicoot, Shantae, Sora, and Phoenix Wright. So if I get my way Backseat is gonna to be permanently traumatized. 😂
@@cyberbladebasketball8038 YESS LET THEM BE TRAUMATIZED!! I'M SO DOWN WITH YOUR LINEUP
Heavy from Smash Bros just looks dead at the camera, holds up the envelope, says, "Keep crying, babies," and thus, Backseat starts freaking out.
Now that Microsoft has purchased Bethesda, watch Master Chief and Doom Guy be added as echo's to each other at the same time and Backseat has an aneurism
So what you're saying is Bandana Dee has a chance.
*wanya's in excitement*
Yes
I'd be happy for Dee's fans if they get in, but in my PERSONAL opinion, Bandana Dee seems like a bit of a boring pick. Just my opinion though.
@@murt. Well, both Geno and Sora are boring picks for me, so I guess we can't be happy with everything. I definitely respect your opinion. Dee is a pretty "fan exclusive" character just like the 2 I mentioned previously.
@@FenexTheFox Understandable, you fine Gentleman/Lady/Other
Who’s here to see how Sephiroth fits in?
Me
same way as geno i think
I'm here because of Pyra and Mythra destroying his math.
There is no math in smash... There's only DESPAIR
Thats actually a good Joke!
Then again, Sephiroth uses Math for his ultimate...
Pyra and Mythra breaks his math and exposed the sexism of the guy who said only Min Min could come to Smash.
@@SeanWheeler100 That or the theory is insufficiently refined. The thing about science, is that theories are never definite, they have to be adjusted to suit new data.
I'd say the issue is that one of the character classes is mistakenly assigned: there's a lack of category for "multiple character" character, which Mythra/Pyra, Banjo/Kazooie (and maybe Joker/Persona) falls under.
@@sinteleon There was a "both" category for characters like that. Steve and Alex took one of the "Both" slots. But "Both" means one male and one female, so both characters being female would put Pyra/Mythra under "Female" and Min Min already took the only female slot he predicted so the math is wrong. Rex is in Pyra and Mythra's Final Smashes, but Final Smash characters do not count, otherwise the inclusion of Spring Man, Master Mummy and other male ARMS characters would put Min Min under "both." And besides, a guy predicting how many characters of a specific category there would be would very likely be proven wrong just like when he made his own character predictions that didn't come true.
*me, wanting the Monster Hunter to be a character, and fitting the criteria, and having two new games soon* : Please, Rathalos must be carved.
same
Can't we have either a Daemon X Machina character or a God Eater? God Eater's been underappreciated
@@SkeweredGlaive I honestly wouldn't mind them either, but I have been wanting a Hunter for a while, so I hope we get them at least.
Lol
The monster Hunter stories guy, the Ace hunter, palico or the legendary hunter...Cha-Cha?
You are all VERY good at coming up with ways to save your characters! I am taking notes.
What's the Math on how many of the final 4 will actually be from the 25 (or do I mean 17?) shown in this video?
Dude how has the math lined up so far?! Vergeben says Ryu Hayabusa is next and he fits too!
Walugi was made it be the opposite character to Luigi, so walugi is technically A reimagine version of Luigi, so he gets the 1980 + 2000 spot by being based on Luigi. Luigi debuted in 1983.
Crash bandicoot is a western rep, but is a icon of PlayStation. PlayStation is a eastern Consol. So crash is rep for Sony. Sony is a eastern rep.
Oh I should do that!... but teto's a rhythym game character, she still needs a platformer rpg
"No more female characters"
Mithra and Pyra : double the estrogen
Steve getting in gives me more hope for Reimu
Same.
@@KogasaTatara514 Based
what is it? are they related?
Him: at 5:06 "Let the bloodbath begin!"
The ad immediately after: Heinz Tomato Ketchup.
heinz, do you have anything to say for yourself
@Rhombidodecahedron Arc-en-ciel I was thinking of him, but heinz the company because of the comment.
wow
my screen: how to change your youtube profile from a famous comic character to your discord profile even though you found it in a area with mostly parts of that comic in that search zone and there is a chalkboard in the background but nobody can see it.
I don't need this
Heavy in the banished group: I fear no man, but... that thing...
**Camera zooms on The Knight**
Heavy: It scares me.
The heavy is dead
Hah
Heavy stares into the Knight's eyes...
The void... stares back...
@@murphmariotwopointoh7714 hah
@@landonanthony4757 why is the heavy dead
The math is there for Sora, but Disney already said no.
Because Disney hates making dreams come true.
Did they? The only thing I've seen related to that was some Disney exec effectively saying "I don't care, ask Nomura"
@@Zanador I hope that's the case because what I've heard and keep finding is that Disney Japan were the branch to shut it down.
Disney never said no, stop spreading misinformation
@@Megajmaster1000 there are literally articles with names attached to them talking about it, but okay...
@@ARMIV4 it was just speculation that a lot of people talked about, nothing official has been said about sora yet
SERPIROTH ACTUALLY FITS
"professional parrot botherer" is a title I could only dream of attaining.
I hold the same feelings for “limb abolitionist”
Do you mean Grian?
Also he's a radio botherer btw
“Mr. Sakurai, we could put Dixie Kong in Smash, everyone would love that!” “No, we already chose Min Min, and they both are girls”
......................................
Fans: Funky Kong it is!
@@tylerprime9555 kokichi 4 smash
@@Monokirb who?
@@tylerprime9555 he is from danganronpa lol
(for real, I want monokuma)
@@Monokirb oh.
Well that won't ever happen since it has more deaths then ddlc
When you said that bandana was math certified you made me happy
New Fighters Pyra and Mytheria might have broken the math unless rex's inclusion in taunts and final smash still counts as both
There’s still also the problem of era as they were put in the video as caution for the 2010s release... so yeah, I think the math is broken here.
I feel like BECAUSE Master Chief fails a bunch of the tests that means he actually IS likely, because Sakurai likes subverting expectations.
I know I'm just thinking wishfully though...
You know what dude I REALLY REALLY REALLY want master chief in fact he’s the only one I want in the game but I think sakurai isnt gonna put the anymore Microsoft reps we got one last pass and one this pass but who knows maybe I’m wrong
Actually you don't really want, an character that most of the weapons he's known for are guns... You might end up with unfunny zoner
There is very little FPS represetation in smash, there's just Samus and kinda Pit
@@wesleyesq7306 don't forget Megaman
Well Sakurai did say most of the fighters come from what corporate tells him.
So we're going to use logic and precedence to determine upcoming fightings for a series that has historically defied logic and precedence?
I'm no mathematician, but the facts aren't adding up here.
It doesn’t matter. Like all UA-cam “Theorists” he’s going to be completely proved wrong by what sakurai puts out.
Well, if we use logic and precedence to determine the likely ones, the fact they defy logic and precedence a lot means we could theoretically turn all the results on their heads and have the likely picks from the unlikely ones here.
They need to put yoda and Luke skywalker in smash ultimate lol
@@davos4667 I mean, this whole series is just a fun joke.
@@davos4667 You're not supposed to take this seriously you know? This is all just theoretical. It's to decide which fighter is likely to get into smash IF we follow the chart presented in this video.
If TF2 Heavy got in it would be amazing.
Also, you guys can still have hope.
What Backseat is trying to do is like predicting the stock market. He seems to be making correlations between several factors and likelihood of getting in, all on the assumption that overrepresentation of certain factors means that you're not getting in. It's a reasonable assumption; however, this assumption is not proven until Sakurai actually confirms or denies it.
Also, his previous predictions on fighter pass 2 didn't match what Sakurai actually chose (Min Min, Steve), so Heavy getting in all depends on whether Backseat's assumptions are true or flawed.
Pyra and Mythra just popped up, Math has failed us all. Female, 2010s.
If Reimu makes it into smash it would be the happiest day of my life.
I thought when he said "Microsoft Icon" it was the 4 squares of Microsoft's logo. I'm -10 IQ...
Your brain is smoother than Kirby
I mean...it is the perfect PC representant. Just use a lot of things from windows history, from DOS to Win 10.
Okay I'm joking but i kinda like the meme of playing the representation of personal computers. Maybe Tux the Penguin would be a better fit?
Pyra and Mythra violated 2 terms, Math has failed us
2010s
Female (and 100% at that)
@@goGothitaLOL the term was male and female character, as in BOTH
"heavy wont be in smash"
Like the 3 other fighter packs: *no*
Heavy: some people can out-math me 'sniff' maybe maybe, but can they out-math bullet?
HEAVY FOR SMASH
Wow. You idiots forgot that there’s actually 4 spots left, not 3.
I've never even played TF2 but for whatever reason I really want a TF2 character in Smash Bros.
HEAVY FOR SMASH L
I would argue that Doom guy's genre is a platformer/shooter due to eternal and 2016 both having many platforming elements, as well as a couple small sections like chasm in DOOM II, however that is still a caution
microsoft will slowly shift their games so that masterchief and doomguy become the same person
Wait just a darn second! The original Steve design debuted in 2009, making him a 2000s rep! This would make the duo of Steve and Alex a 2010s rep AND a 2000s rep, which doesn't satisfy the math! The entire chart is a bust now! What do we do?!?
We scrap the math and accept Sakurai does what he wants and the only criteria is they are from a game that is [REDACTED] and are they an icon of gaming history/from a Nintendo game/popular
minecraft didn't come out in 2009 though. it came out in 2011. And lets be perfectly honest, no one calls steve a 2000s rep. hes the perfect embodiment of the 2010s.
exactly
@@alexblackman4005 I agree, I think that he's more emblematic of the 2010s than the 2000s for sure. But math cares not for what people think. It cares not for the general consensus. Math is absolute, without feeling. Steve as a character appeared in a publicly available version of Minecraft in 2009, so he IS a 2000s rep according to the math, sorry to say.
@@M14Gaming true true
Sephiroth is revealed. Time to re-analyze.
Perfect.
Not really...it doesn't change any possibilities so far. Maybe we can cross out any new FF/DQ characters but the rest is still fair game. I would wait until the next fighter is announced. THEN we can really start ruling out.
BTW love me some sephy on smash. He's the right kind of power/speed balance for me, and has good zoning (Not great but i'm not much of a zoner anyway).
1990's
RPG
East
Male
nah sephiroth was math certified
Pyra and mythra revealed, the math falls apart
Fun fact, Pyra/Mythra have used this table to prove Murphy's Law correct.
Well, Rex's inclusion in Pyra's Final Smash and victory animations *could* be enough to give Pyra a "both" slot.
Just gotta say this:
The Smash Bros Fandom can be one of the most "unchill" ones if it comes to literally just talking about it.
but eh I guess that's just how they are...
Yeah you're right
for real
If you say something like I was happy about Byleth's addition (which I was) there's gonna be a comment war.
What can I say, when we're being civil it's fun to debate what character gets in. Especially with the very...unlikely roster in Ultimate.
Very true, they never know who they want in this game so they pick random/nostalgia characters like geno or bandana. Lest time we got a character from request, we got bayonetta, and look what we ended up with
Bandanna Dee is the 2nd most requested character that is mathematically probable that makes me happy
Edit: lol 100 likes in 1 day is insane
Wait really
Cuz if so that just makes me happy
Capsirus you get it
In the official vote, waluigi has the second most votes, first is heavy
My profile pic explains why I’m happy
I heard fall guys song
Who's watching this after the Sora reveal?
Me
The Knight and Viewtiful Joe are all I've ever wanted
Both Mii Costume Material... which I'd instantly buy nontheless.
Viewtiful Joe would be cool,his genre (Beat Em Ups) has no representation in Smash and is my second favorite genre which is why I want ANY Beat Em Up Character as my number 1 pick
@@-siranzalot- Yep
Does Conker check out? Let’s see:
Genre - Platformer ✅
Gender - Male ✅
Location - West ❌
Era - 1990’s ✅
Publisher - Returning Pub ✅
Series - New Series ✅
So, our favorite drunken squirrel is a Caution when it comes to the math.
Would be cool but idk, sakurai would want characters kid friendly >
@@kvatchero what about snake
@@epekka what about Drebin
What about Bayonetta?
Ok maybe there is hope habibi
Well this comment isnt going to put him out of jail but in the era part of the characters, tf is a 90s franchise, april 7th 1999, but if it is considered only by the first appereance of the character It would be 2007.
Well that makes him a 2000s character with a link to the 90s which I think helps his case.
Nice!
isn't there also another mystery genre left?
No TF2 itself isn't a 90s game, TFC is, also the Heavy from that game isn't the same person as seen by common sense and the comics.
@@Z3R0Steam True, but it's the same franchise, no?
Sephiroth just got announced and it fits the criterias perfectly! (RPG, Male, East, 1990s, Returning Publisher and Returning Serie.)
The math has yet to be proven wrong.
@@victores1 Geno still has a chance,after all he could very well be the last character added,just wait and see
Until Geno doesn't get In of course
Sephiroth isn't a new series rep tho. What we need is a new series to fit in the formula.
@@rambuskey
what is it? I remember Geno was deconfirmed at this point because Plant Piranha was chosen over him? He has to wait for next Smash anyway.
And if Geno is really a fighter, I'm sure he'd be added in the base game. He wouldn't be the last which means it's DLC but Mario sure wouldn't be DLC for Smash.
Then, problem is Geno has not appeared in any recent Mario game so far. I don't think there is any garuntee for him to be in Smash if he also couldn't enter Mario Tennis Aces and 3D World?
Bruh Pyra broke your math
I'm still holding out hope for the knight, waluigi, and heavy.
the knight can be considered male.
@@altagos9265 I thought Hollow Knight was genderless
@@doomclasher9287 its debatalbe, but hes technically a living organism and likely has a gender. likely male.
@@altagos9265 you guys mean ghost? because ghost is void 😼
@@Andrew-xn4sc he was born from a female bug and a male bug so its not off the table for him to have reproductive organs. also its good to point out that steel soul is the canon run.
I feel like Smash Bros has sort of spoiled me, it's so weird how when Ultimate came out the starting roster looked huge; but now when I look at it without the DLC it looks small, even though I know it isn't.
Same
Don't be racist, I am a building
I look at Ultimate and go "yeah there's barely anything here"
I look at Brawl and go "WHAT A MASSIVE AND COMPLETE ROSTER"
-_- what is wrong with me
And with the reveal of Sephiroth today, RPG, Male, East, 1990s, Returning Publisher, and Returning Series (entire 3rd row) all get knocked out. It's looking like this math is solid!
Until Pyra and Mythra completely shattered that with their announcement yesterday. R.I.P. Math.
@@therawkhawk64 for being purely 100% Female and from the 2010s
they also took RPG, Returning Publisher, and Returning Series
And what people want is a new series. It's not about fitting in formula at all.
Rex and Pyra being exhausted for another 2010s release
lol
Shantae’s death is something I may never get over
Same. She's a true indie icon...
Don't take it as gospel. I disagree with this video because it relies too heavily on every fighter pass mirroring that of the first one (another issue, they're only basing this off of one pack).
Don't rely this much on this video, Nintendo isn't one of those that maths can anticipate. We know they always wanna be unpredictable
@@JoJoboiWav yeah i dont think nintendo followed any formula or pattern when choosing the dlc characters
@@rebelredshirt_2188 Still, this way of trying to predict their action is interesting
I’m sad that people still don’t seem to acknowledge Conker’s existence...
Same, altough, i think a battletoad could as well be a second rare rep, i still want Conker:(
@@ivansotelo4622 Nah, they better not do that. Conker is still way more popular and beloved than even the Battletoads. He’s even the second face of Rare, and about as equal as Banjo-Kazooie too I’d say. If there’s going to be a third Rare character in the future though, then yeah it could probably be a more appropriate time to put in the Battletoads by that point. If they do Conker next though, then they’re likely gonna wait on the next Rare rep again though with Master Chief if Steve is anything to go off of... Hopefully Steve isn’t the real “Microsoft rep” of Pass 2, since Mojang was individually trademarked for this game, but not Rare. Because if we can get Conker in the same pack too, then that would make it all worth it honestly.
@@ZacharyDietze i wish the same, i growed more with conker than the toads
@@ZacharyDietze well, conker isn't very, uh, child friendly is he.
Same :(
When's the follow up coming cuz Mythra and Pyra deconfirmed this.
The math is right!
Sephirot is from an RPG, is male, comes from the East, is from the 1990s, means the return of a publisher and comes from a returning series... Final Fantasy! The prophecy is true!
love to see people say phoenix wright can't make it into a fighting game, when he's literally already been in a fighting game
yeah but thats kinda like saying oh this guys in a 2d platformer so he can be in a metroidvania.
Hes in a fighting game, but not a Party Fighting Game.
He's in a fighting game where they could throw a joke character in, we only have like 4 slots for fighters, they gotta count.
@@Bigguybigguybigguybigguy that too, waluigis the only joke that could work well
@@altagos9265 he would be a funny character but represents like nothing other than the sports games. But daisy kinda already does that :/ I want rayman in smash, he would be cool
@@Bigguybigguybigguybigguy he represents tacos
Lets be honest the top picks aren't even top picks, the only reason why they are soo high it is mainly because UA-camrs they look up to wanted them
@Ice Cream Man I mean, by that logic legitimately the entire roster wouldn't be in the game. Look at banjo for example. In modern day, no one's playing it anymore unless they're specifically making vids on the character or talking about smash inclusion. Saying you hope a character doesn't get in just cause "specific groups want him" is just... Dumb. There's a reason Geno's number 2, people want him in the game. Regardless of reason (waluigi's potential lies majority in meme factor for example), if people want them enough, nintendo would be daft to not consider it.
People that didnt play metroid but know Ridley wanted him in, should he be removed? Some nintendo fans have never touched TLOZ but know its importance, should those characters be removed? Of course not, the characters and series have beloved history to them. You don't have to play every game to understand a characters importance. I've never played Pikmin and I know many others havent either, but Olimar and pikmin is a very important character/franchise and his inclusion is great. Above all else, Geno has the "coming home" effect that banjo has. Since Square has Geno, it would be remarkable to see geno come back for a nintendo cameo again. You can be disappointed sure no problem, but saying you hope a character doesnt make it in for that reason just doesn't make sense.
@@darcidious99
The thing is... Geno is not important. Or relevant.
I sincerely don't want him to get in, not because other people do, nor because I want to disappoint those people, but rather because I don't see what's so special about him.
@@m0j026 right that's fine, I'm the same with waluigi. I think he's an irrelevant character that people only want in because it would be funny. Regardless though, I still know how important the funny purple man is to some people.
Geno may not be important to you, but to many others he was the single best part about mario rpg, a series that inspired the likes of paper mario and the mario and Luigi series. Banjo is a character I have no attachment too, but his importance not only to Nintendo history but to the Microsoft vs. Nintendo relationship and fan love of him makes him an incredible pick.
Going back, there's nothing wrong with being dissatisfied with a character pick. I was somewhat upset with Byleth and very underwhelmed by min mins playstyle. But to say they shouldn't be in the game is preposterous. There's no "wrong" answer, any character being represented is incredible even if I don't inherently want it. If waluigi somehow did make it in, I'd still laugh and play him with everyone else. I desperately want hollow knight to get in, but I understand he's a more niche pick and that the odds are against him. If he's not in, then that's just as fine and I'll deal with it.
If/when (at this point when seems more appropriate) Geno gets in, its fine if people don't "get it", cause so many will want to experience him and see what he's about. I wanna play Banjo and persona just cause the characters are beloved and remarkable even if I don't have attachments. That's what makes this game so amazing is that literally any character/series can be represented and thousands will be ecstatic to see it, or new players will become interested. But again, the logic of "this character isn't important to me therefore shouldn't be in" is horrible. At that point, no one would be in the game, or We'd literally only have mario.
@@darcidious99
Maybe I phrased it wrong, but it's not like I'm going to be upset with any character that gets in, I just personally don't why people want Geno, and this comes from the guy that was excited for Joker even though he had no idea what Persona was and isn't even into anime in general.
Still, I see where you are coming from.
@@darcidious99 Square owns Geno yeah, but Nintendo owns the rights of Super Mario RPG. According to Square, Geno is not important. Cloud and Lara Croft are more important than Geno. Also Geno is not even the main character of Super Mario RPG. The main character is Mario since it's a Nintendo game that was developed by Square.
The DLC characters except PP has been main characters from their series with a spirit board. Sorry to bust your bubble, but Geno ain't getting in Ultimate and instead he's gonna come back as a returning Mii Gunner Costume.
Geno got in... as a costume.
New fighter today. Let's see... Rpg check, east check, return pub and series check, gender and date... Oh...
Welp they were wrong
The East/West overuse probability is a serious fallacy in these predictions.
Agreed
I would say era and gender are overused as well, but they at least make a little more sense
The Era and East/West categories are less fallacies but more of a concern in the sense that they would come up as a question when considering characters, even if not taken too seriously.
[Edit] Unlike Gender, which has a higher chance of not being brought up in character selection questioning.
True, I feel like it would be pretty petty for Nintendo to not consider adding a character tons of people want just because they're a Western character.
These predictions have a really weak basis. I doubt either of three big considerations come up so much as market appeal/nostalgia/impact. But trying to predict the factors that make a likely smash DLC with only eight points of data is a bit silly in the first place. Maybe they could take Wii U DLCs into consideration too.
Why cant The Knight count? He doesnt have a gender, and all the other smash fighters have genders, so he will bring something new, so I feel like gender doesnt count, also, Phoenix Wright is seen as an RPG in Nintendos eyes...
Watch the other videos, genderless was a category that has been accounted for - e.g. ROB
“He” LOL
Same, I feel like Phoenix could make it
@@Thespectrum999 Which vid is that?
"He doesn't have a gender"
Sounds like you're not quite sure yourself
I am dying to see what a dual female character from the 2010s has done to the math.
Backseat: No more female characters
Pyra/Mythra: But I refuse!
no more like no more sword fighters
Daga Kotowaru
Pyra/Mythra: I disagree strongly!
guys guys guys
Pacman, Mario, and Donkey Kong have all appeared on Futurama, which has had multiple crossovers with the Simpsons which has crossed over with Family Guy. And who is a recurring character in Family Guy? The Kool-Aid Man! Kool-Aid Man is confirmed for Smash!!
We could go even further and say that all the marvel characters are confirmed for smash because the kool aid man collabed with them
We can also say colonel sanders is confirmed
@@invertedmammal Explain?
Food theory
my entire dream team of dlc fighters just got destroyed for being created in America. I will never forgive the Japanese!
Jojo part 2 ending reference?
@@ChampaRealLordChampa of course, i mean it sounds like joseph
But then again they make some rather nifty gadgets
@@ChampaRealLordChampa Yes
Yea it's a refrence
Small correction: The Halo games are rated M, so the Halo/Doom quip isn't actually correct, unless you were just trying to be funny regarding the violence of the games or something
Kinda sad that reimu isn't math certified, her genre is what got Sakurai into game development, and the music would be an amazing addition to smash
(However geno was math certified and he's a mii costume now sooooo)
I mean, Touhou 17.5 will pretty much be a platforming, so she could enter thanks to that
@@iker-jk2096 oh, yeah, 17.5 might come out this year since the demo was last year (Sidenote the artsyle is really pretty)
@@tamashi4242 yeah, the spin offs have very nice art styles.
And for what we saw in the demos it looks very fun to play.
@@iker-jk2096 yeah, this games artstyle for the character portraits kinda looks like oil painting which is pretty fitting since the story for this game is about oil contaminating gensokyo's water
@@tamashi4242 yeah, oil and water.
And it's cool to see some characters that normaly don't get the most spotlight, that's a thing I love in the spin offs. Seeing Yamame again it's very cool.
Honestly I just thought about a theory about all DLC's so far has some kinda special attacks with each of the fighters :
- Joker has the Persona Gauge
- Hero has the MP Gauge and Command Selection
- Banjo has the Side Special Wonderwing which is considered to be an invincible move
- Terry has the command imput like Ryu and Ken and that he has two different side b from the front and the back
- Byleth has different weapons attacks due to most fire emblem characters has too much swordfighters.
- Min Min has a very long range attacks with her long arms.
- Steve has the ability to put blocks on stage.
Like all these characters has some 'special' attacks that no other normal fighters has. So yeah I hope this theory is useful for y'all
Just putting this out there cause I would love to see Geno make it to smash, and using your theory, Geno could have a special thing where he has to time his special attacks kinda like Incineror’s side B but and he could use it with like Geno whirl or Geno beam or Geno blast and he could have another special move where he can get a buff from Geno boost and it can show up as a meter thing like hero, joker, and Steve does, this goes along nicely with your theory about special character abilities
@@osheaphillips3806 a smash character with a timed hit mechanic would be amazing
Something that ties in with this that also ties in with the characters original game would be to maybe allow Heavy to customize which weapons he is using before going into a fight just like in Tf2. each weapon would have a different effect on the opponent allowing for lots of customization and weapon combos to be used.
Crash, Rayman and Geno could be all very unique
@@alexerskine8473 3 fighters already did that and it's not even their big selling point.
Some of yalls in the comments are taking this math series way too seriously, it's just a silly thought experiment
no i'm not salty you think reimu won't get in
Dont worry reimu can still join. This is just math based on the base roster of the game.
"Silly thought experiment", yeah I'm sure that's all it is.
@@TheTraveler980 well it is just that. It doesn't have to be true
@@alexsiuciak7750 I know, but it sure has more merit than most folk with their "predictions".
@@TheTraveler980 yeah
Rex and Pyra.. well, Rex is sorta there, but Mythra is happily taking the spot.
13:48 "Maybe his inclusion is really meant to be"
Geno Mii Costume: Yeah I don't know about that
The editing here is like game theory on steroids. I love the effort you put into your videos, and the high standard of quality you hold them to. Great work!
Honestly I’m just happy to learn that Reimu was in the top 10 most wanted
-pfp checks out-
Reimu Squad rise up
Reimu is in genso wanderer so actually she would be in cuation. Unless the requirement needs to be the main seires genre
I need the music remixes in smash
Before someone writes a whole 15 paragraph essay on why this can or can not work, I wanted to remind everyone that this is just my opinion of who I would really love to see no matter how unlikely it will be, please do not start anything silly and try to avoid any arguments over a fictional character, thanks
This guys editing is so clean and amazing
15:01
that part hurt me to see xd
I really wanted those characters to enter xd
Oof
If Arle is paired with Carbuncle, then they could fit in the Both gender, as Carbuncle is male
That is actually rather fair since Carbuncle is always with her.
yes, excellent, thank you for saving my girl
as long as carbuncle doesn’t eat himself
Anyone else just sad because some dude just straight up said "Yeah ur favourite game character is never coming to smash."
Just think about it as something for fun, math isnt really the main factor when sakurai decides to put a character.
Welcome to the club, us Decidueye fans have been here since august 2018.
Licensing is still the main boon for some of these characters. Those that were costumes before have high likelihood of coming back again as costumes. Most companies would likely renew the deal.
I'm talking about 3rd party costumes btw. Well maybe except the Chocobo ones lol.
Decidueye was hampered by his design. He's a bird that uses projectile. A humanoid wrestler bi-ped is still easier to do if you were on a time crunch.
Not me because My no 1 pick isn't that popular also my favourite game Character (Mega Man) is already in Smash Bros
Mine just got in :D
Ace Attorney is an RPG though, and Sora has a tie to the 80s through Kingdom Hearts' Final Fantasy elements.
9:46 Waluigi actually originated in the Mario Tennis series, not the Super Mario series. If Paper Mario is a series, then so is Mario Tennis.
There is only one Mario franchise in general, tho. Paper Mario contents are also Mario.
And Waluigi isn't exclusive to just Mario Tennis. Obviously he isn't a professional tennis player.
you forgot to add "would it make nintendo money?" to the math
The funny thing is that might be a better statistic then all of these
His math is actually way off.
There goes math again, ruining our lives in school and crushing our remaining hopes and dreams again now.
I think the only way BackSeat can salvage his chart is if he makes Steve a 2000’s rep instead of 2010s, getting rid of the 1980s requirement like he did with Steve’s genre, and counts Pyra and Mythra as a dual gender character since Rex is in the final smash and taunts.
Me and the boys checking this video again to see if Pyra is mathematically certified
Waddle Dee dances on Doom guys grave
I mean, I STRONGLY doubt Sakurai uses math to decide who makes it in. He is here to make dreams happen, not to make math deconfirmed people. Probably gonna get r/woooshed but yea
Its just trying to use a logic to try to predict who is next. Similar to people making predictions based on rules like "no Assist Trophies/Spirits" and the like.
The fun will come when a person who was mathmatically impossible becomes the next pick and see how the math chance.
Bruh these are just fun joke videos
Well Nintendo actually chooses the DLC fighters
Well....
Everyone in the world:
Literally everyone in the universe:
Me: I'd settle for spirits from Mortal Kombat and Tekken.
Touhou for smash!!!
Ah yes
finally
Absolutely