Accuracy Medieval Warbow/Longbow using modified draw

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  • @shadiversity
    @shadiversity 4 роки тому +193

    This was an awesome video, especially showing you can shoot this way with the bow angled outwards and that arrow remaining snug and secure. Brilliant stuff and I can't wait to see more. Also thanks heaps for the shout-out, much appreciated.

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +26

      Back at you man! Thank you! Our 2 new videos should really get them going haha bring on the "nay sayers"!

    • @michelguevara151
      @michelguevara151 4 роки тому +12

      @@MeadLongbows interesting how your 'military draw' now resembles zen draw footage I've seen made at the turn of last centuary. very impressed

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +8

      @@michelguevara151 wow did not realize that, cool! Thank you!

    • @BenPortmanlewes
      @BenPortmanlewes 4 роки тому +7

      It's good people are realising archery is so old the is no right way, just your way.

    • @rob1659
      @rob1659 4 роки тому +3

      @@BenPortmanlewes I think this point is really important. I had my reservations about this style but I think the bottom line is this: Archery is a martial art and medieval archers would have used whatever method worked best for them.

  • @ForsakenKingOfMurrica
    @ForsakenKingOfMurrica 3 роки тому +2

    You're really slick and fast with it, I LOVE THAT YOU CHALLENGED EVERYONE'S OPINION ON RIGHT OR WRONG SIDE. I know nothing of the technicalities, but my parents wouldn't buy me a BB gun as a kid, they bought me a kids bow and I would shoot through fence boards as a kid. Try pushing it back I betcha get it! 👍I like people who are different in the ways they do things lemme tell ya they always have their own irreplaceable perspective. Not my original formal martial arts instructor, but my homegrown hillbilly sensei/best friend even taught me with martial arts, and lots of other things in life, it don't matter HOW goofy it may look. If it ain't broke buddy, don't fix it. And ohhhkay now I understand why you weren't shooting from further away.

  • @flytrapjohn
    @flytrapjohn 4 роки тому +34

    When you have settled the draw, the arch in your body looks like so many medieval pictures of shooting a bow.
    Thank you.

  • @Hanna1968
    @Hanna1968 4 роки тому +50

    It's strange, but when I tried shooting as a child with self-made bows, this was the natural way for me to do it. I was puzzled when I tried bows shooting on a ferry market and was instructed to but the arrow in the left side. Couldn't handle it, it felt unnatural.

    • @chroma6947
      @chroma6947 3 роки тому

      Thats your ancestors doing the work for you ahah

  • @brian280453
    @brian280453 4 роки тому +3

    People like your good self, Clay Hayes , Armin Hirmer, NuSensei, Jeff kavanagh etc, giving your knowledge and expertise to the world are the reason that this sport is so popular. Thank you all, I’m touching seventy, and I got back into archery after a long lay off due entirely to watching you guys on UA-cam , one very old dog learning some new tricks. Bye the way, I’ve just made a bamboo bow following your videos, very impressed!.

  • @KorporalNoobs
    @KorporalNoobs 4 роки тому +46

    This is the kind of network of minds you can get with the internet. So cool going through all the different people approaching things their way. So awesome.

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +3

      Thank you for your support and kind words!

  • @Rychlas
    @Rychlas 4 роки тому +20

    I always thought it was more natural to shoot with the arrow on the right side. The arm and muscle movement felt more natural, my aim was better. And I kept shooting this way, even though others told me it was wrong. Good thing you are experimenting. It's surprising how you can instinctively find solutions to problems, if you're trying to figure them out by yourself, without anyone butting in, telling you what to do. Cheers and godspeed, mate.

  • @Daemon1356
    @Daemon1356 4 роки тому +23

    This is great to see, an open minded approach, I've always fired high poundage bows on the supposed wrong side because I found it so much easier

  • @acediadekay3793
    @acediadekay3793 4 роки тому +47

    I would like to suggest that thise new styles could be called The *Nim* *styles*
    aka: " *New* *Interpretation* of *Medieval* styles."
    It's informative, snappy, and makes the naming convention easy.
    E.g.
    "Lars Andersen knows all The Nim Styles"
    "David is practicing The Slavic Nim Draw"
    "Shad is a master of The Mediterranean Nim Style"
    ...

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +10

      I like it! You should share this with both Lars and Shad! Good stuff thank you!

  • @Marmocet
    @Marmocet 4 роки тому +4

    I always shot my bow this way when I was a kid because it seemed intuitive to me and no one told me I was doing it "wrong". I got accurate enough shooting this way as a 12 year old that I could reliably hit my 2ftx2ft target from about 30 yards. I think I only missed and wound up putting an arrow through the siding of my neighbor's house once.

  • @brianmincher716
    @brianmincher716 4 роки тому +16

    I’m starting to play around with shooting arrows on the right side with a thumb draw, pretty neat stuff.

    • @Daylon91
      @Daylon91 4 роки тому

      Khatra is next and you'll be hooked

  • @bigguy7353
    @bigguy7353 4 роки тому +3

    I guess I've been accurately practicing archery "wrong" for 25 years. It lines up with my body and strong eye better. It's not, nor ever has been "wrong" for me. Historical proof of shooting from the right notwithstanding.

    • @Argoon1981
      @Argoon1981 4 роки тому

      IMO there's no right or wrong side, is the one that makes you more comfortable, faster and accurate that should count for you.

    • @bigguy7353
      @bigguy7353 4 роки тому +1

      @@Argoon1981 I agree! The somewhat arrogant idea in the archery community that there is a "right" or "wrong" way has always perplexed me. This is one of the few cases of the ends justifying the means.

  • @zombieslogic8390
    @zombieslogic8390 4 роки тому +9

    This is awesome, saw shadow's video and then saw yours. Watched both yours and Shad put out another today. Just getting interested in archery again after 8 years or so and love this... also you have that bad ass spartan look

    • @zombieslogic8390
      @zombieslogic8390 4 роки тому

      Shad's * video not shadows... stupid spell correct lol

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +1

      @@zombieslogic8390 haha

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +1

      Thank you! Welcome back to archery my friend!

  • @archeryboras5921
    @archeryboras5921 4 роки тому +4

    You are good. Nice shooting. 90 lbs Wow. Last year I tried this technique on "wrong side", yes it works.

  • @Hanna1968
    @Hanna1968 3 роки тому

    What you also can do is to hold the loaded arrow with your right thumb too, so it's not only your shooting arm with all the force holding. In that way you have more time to choose your target.

  • @Riname-K
    @Riname-K 4 роки тому +1

    Medieval pantings and artwork tend to record more detail than we think. I'm fairly convinced this method had no reason to be "wrong" to begin with.

  • @QuixoteBadger
    @QuixoteBadger 4 роки тому

    I don't know how a lot of people don't figure that alternative shooting techniques are not impossible or impractical for an experienced archer. The only reason why the standard two finger, left side of the bow method is so deeply respected is because it is traditionally the easiest way to train a batch of beginners.

  • @paul72002
    @paul72002 4 роки тому +1

    Keep it up. I love that you are trying the technique instead of theorising why it can't work

  • @wolfpack1966
    @wolfpack1966 4 роки тому +2

    This style is great I have always shot on the right hand side even know I am left-handed. I can tell you from personal experience using Dave's bow and this style it is very effective with deer hunting thank you Dave for all the great videos keep them coming man

  • @Daylon91
    @Daylon91 4 роки тому

    Thank you for showing how easy it is and simply using your thumb, and I find it easier to knock the arrow than having to bring the arrow over the bow like with the arrow on the left side

  • @jetnavigator
    @jetnavigator 4 роки тому +1

    Can't put my finger on it but you have a great presentation style and are a natural teacher.

  • @llamawerkz
    @llamawerkz 4 роки тому +9

    How's your left thumb holding up? Do you think a left hand glove is necessary? I'm just imagining the quill of the feather coming unglued a bit and slicing my thumb up.
    I'm very impressed with your archery skills and it's inspiring me to get out and practice a lot more this year.

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +4

      Thank you very much! No issues with thumb yet but that goes with proper arrow making as the whipping prevents the issue mentioned. I dont have any issues when shooting on left off the knuckle. Thanks again

  • @steirqwe7956
    @steirqwe7956 4 роки тому +2

    I have a suspicion that actual war archers didn't care about proper techniques as much as modern reenactors. Afterall the only things that really matter are ability to hit your target and ability to keep up with sergeant who orders volley fire. Historical authenticity did not bother them.

  • @faramund9865
    @faramund9865 4 роки тому

    INTERESTING. Some of the points against the left side like, the arrow falling off when pulling the string seem not to be an issue AT ALL.

  • @bumstudios8817
    @bumstudios8817 4 роки тому +3

    I am glad you got into this i have been watching the suggested videos on technique good stuff

  • @briananuvattanachai6646
    @briananuvattanachai6646 4 роки тому

    Interesting about that painting you showed of St. Sebastian martyrdom. I'm pretty sure you probably know that from a historical context it was easier to paint arrows on the side that your thumb is on. The painting is put into a renaissance background with the soldiers wearing fancy and elaborate clothing. Not to mention they also were crossbow men. I think a actual historically accurate painting of the martyrdom of St. Sebastian would be Roman soldiers with horse bows.

    • @thecaptain29
      @thecaptain29 4 роки тому +4

      "it was easier to paint arrows on the side that your thumb is on"... You can't be serious 🤣
      You don't think that maybe, just maybe, it's because most or many of the people the painter knew and had seen firing a bow put the arrow on that side? If they painted things a certain way just because it was easier, why would they bother giving anything detail? Smiley faces and stick figures would be SOOOO much easier.

  • @DerekBartlettBeorn
    @DerekBartlettBeorn Рік тому

    Hey, I've still got that pack of wide-mouth Comanche style nocks that you sold me, I ended up putting them on at least five of my bamboo arrows using athletic tape for a grippy surface between the nock and the feathers. Very handy, thanks for the help in that field too.
    And yeah I've been shooting split-finger off the right side a bunch of times too, I've gotten three arrows touching quite a few times doing it like that. My question for you Dave is, since having put this video (and the other one where you started trying this) up, have you tried this same thing with *two* fingers on the string as well? When I've done it with 2 fingers to see what makes it different from typical 3-finger, when using two a lotta times it can give a cleaner shot---hence two fingers being used for Slavic---with less string pinch and sometimes an easier holding the arrow in place. Just a bit of food for thought, hope you're still having fun, man.

  • @Dougarrowhead
    @Dougarrowhead 4 роки тому

    This should be called the fairy draw style. Looks like a ballet move.

  • @johnminnitt8101
    @johnminnitt8101 3 роки тому +1

    Obviously it can be done, but two questions if I may?
    First, might the raised thumb affect the flexing of the arrow around the bow, and thus, maybe, accuracy?
    Also, it works,but do you feel there's any advantage over the conventional left side?

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  3 роки тому

      Not if arrows are made correctly and yes it has an advantage to load speed. Thanks for watching!

  • @israelbarbajuniorarqueiro8356
    @israelbarbajuniorarqueiro8356 4 роки тому +1

    I always shoot on the right side because my bow is a horse bow. I shoot with thumb release and persian draw. Sorry for my English. I don't speak English very well.

    • @TheLoachman
      @TheLoachman 4 роки тому +1

      You may (or may not) speak English very well, but you type it without even a hint of an accent.

    • @israelbarbajuniorarqueiro8356
      @israelbarbajuniorarqueiro8356 4 роки тому

      @@TheLoachman it's because I use the Google translate.

  • @bigernbladesmith
    @bigernbladesmith 4 роки тому +1

    I'm actually seeing some similar techniques to Gao Ying's way. They use the thumb of course, I still see many similarities. Justin Ma has a UA-cam channel if you interested.

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому

      Thank you, and yes I saw Justin video just the other day which is the one I mentioned in this video. I put the link to his video I referenced in the comments of my other video.

    • @bigernbladesmith
      @bigernbladesmith 4 роки тому

      @@MeadLongbows Pay no attention to the idiot posting comments. He will make comments on things the content creator has already mentioned. It's was a long day and my brain is MIA. I apologize.

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому

      @@bigernbladesmith haha no worries

  • @SierraScout2
    @SierraScout2 4 роки тому +2

    WAIT A MINUTE I was told that was IMPOSSIBLE!

  • @michaeldemedicis6901
    @michaeldemedicis6901 4 роки тому +1

    Good thing you make your own arrows soon you will be robinhooding them .

  • @trippinducks4499
    @trippinducks4499 4 роки тому +2

    Great video man, keep up the good work!

  • @panspermiahunter7597
    @panspermiahunter7597 4 роки тому

    Great shot!

  • @onetwo2989
    @onetwo2989 4 роки тому +2

    Really enjoyed this video!

  • @luigibenignochiappero5589
    @luigibenignochiappero5589 4 роки тому

    Master: CHAPEAU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Best Wishes.

  • @rasaecnai
    @rasaecnai 4 роки тому

    Aimbot detected!
    Amazing shooting sir!

  • @lerb21
    @lerb21 4 роки тому

    Great content man. Found you in the recommended from Shad's video. I really enjoy your presentation, presence, and the style of content you produce, it fits my venn diagram of interests quite well. Keep at it.

  • @siekensou77
    @siekensou77 4 роки тому

    is it possible to carry extra arrows on your remaining fingers on grip hand?

  • @WozWozEre
    @WozWozEre 4 роки тому +2

    Great videos, earnt yourself a subscriber 👍

  • @gurugurukuma
    @gurugurukuma 4 роки тому

    What madness is this?!?! BLASPHEMY!

  • @ericfleming4555
    @ericfleming4555 4 роки тому

    I wonder if this Reverse offset on the right would work with compound bow. I enjoy my recurve but hunt with compound bow

  • @incorporeal3793
    @incorporeal3793 4 роки тому +2

    Yes, it works, but that still does not prove it was a commonly used method.

    • @Argoon1981
      @Argoon1981 4 роки тому +3

      In the same way you cannot prove with no shadow of doubt that arrow in the left side was more commonly used, they are equally probable. But you can argue that if the number of medieval paintings showing the arrow in the right, is larger than the ones showing it on the left, or vice versa, then IMO that is strong evidence that probably they painted the more common side.

  • @Ratt611
    @Ratt611 4 роки тому

    All the shooting styles, yet I’m stuck on fundamentals. One day. 😎

  • @TheWolvie6666
    @TheWolvie6666 4 роки тому

    What´s the secret? When I shoot in this way, the arrow goes waaaay to the right. Any suggestions?

  • @akimlettner2984
    @akimlettner2984 4 роки тому +1

    Have you ever used a thumb ring & what's your opinion of them. Thanks

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +2

      I have, and in my experience would rather use thumb alone but have not used heavy bow like this with thumb yet

    • @akimlettner2984
      @akimlettner2984 4 роки тому

      @@MeadLongbows thanks..

    • @Marmocet
      @Marmocet 4 роки тому

      Not that you asked me, but... I shoot thumb release and I wouldn't shoot without a thumb ring, especially with heavier draw weight bows. Thumb rings not only protect your thumb from nerve damage but when you learn how to use the thumb ring properly (something it took me a little while to work out) you can achieve a much cleaner release. If you're curious, I got my thumb rings from customthumbrings.com. The Chinese Spur ring is a good one to start with.

  • @kimberleysinnott7970
    @kimberleysinnott7970 3 роки тому

    I heard shia labeouf was making archery videos on UA-cam now after he had been cast out of Hollywood 🤣

  • @briandamage5677
    @briandamage5677 4 роки тому +1

    Impressive!

  • @S.Grenier
    @S.Grenier 4 роки тому

    Happy to see a follow up video on this, very interesting. Given how this is a relatively heavy bow, would you say you're preferring this method over using slavic or thumb draw ? I would like to test this myself, but I had a bad wrist injury not too long ago and I can't really shoot anything over 40-45# for the moment.

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому

      Thanks! need more time with it and the heavy bow to tell

  • @erikdk321
    @erikdk321 3 роки тому

    What are you using as a target?

  • @vanivanov9571
    @vanivanov9571 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you for the great video. I see you are quickly getting used to this style. I had a couple of question, if it is no trouble for you.
    Do you have any idea on how long it will take you to become similarly proficient with the right side as you are with the left?
    Do you have a video which is a good comparison for your accuracy with the left side? I expect not, as you mentioned not having a 90# bow to compare with. If so, you may wish to release a comparison video on accuracy, when you are more skilled with this technique.
    When you draw, do you tense and hook your hand a lot? Nusensei had mentioned this is unhelpful with your release, so I wonder how you found it.
    Lastly... do you only have one arrow for that longbow? I noticed you pulling it out of the target each time. Did you make it yourself?

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +3

      Thank you for your excellent comment. I am not sure how long, but when I am determined I move very fast through just about anything I set my mind to. I taught myself slavic thumb and pinch draw on the right side of the bow in about 3 hours and the next day was accurate enough to hit 2 discs in the air..so who knows. If I have the time and interest anything is possible. You can find many videos of me shooting right and left side on my channel 1 being in the description of this video..but none comparing 2 high draw bows. You are correct I do not shoot heavy bows regularly anymore. I found that the more comfortable I got with it the more fluid my release became just like with any style I have attempted. I do use a little more of my finger pads for this heavy weight but this too may be minimal if I choose to continue practicing with this weight. This is the only arrow that really is close enough to the proper weight and spine for this heavy bow, I will make more. Thank you again for watching!

    • @vanivanov9571
      @vanivanov9571 4 роки тому

      @@MeadLongbows Thank you for the answers! I have subscribed, and look forward to your future videos on this topic and others.

  • @cliftonstephenson8860
    @cliftonstephenson8860 4 роки тому

    Now you know why Robin hood was great 👍😁

  • @mikegregory2492
    @mikegregory2492 4 роки тому

    That's nice shooting. Any tips on your aiming technique for the stationary target - is it all instinctive, or are you using gapping or similar?

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому +1

      Thanks! All instinctive, just look at what I want to hit

  • @bryonguenther6199
    @bryonguenther6199 4 роки тому

    So, is your sight picture to the left side of the bow? Even though your arrow is on the right?

  • @bossmandude8564
    @bossmandude8564 3 роки тому

    Im not gay but why is this man so good looking?

  • @velcranell4860
    @velcranell4860 4 роки тому

    holy fuck!

  • @skyguy95
    @skyguy95 4 роки тому

    My shots are banking right any advice

    • @CowCommando
      @CowCommando 4 роки тому +1

      Armin (sp?), another creater who is testing this draw method, also had this happen. He simply adjusted his point of aim to compensate iirc.

    • @michaeldemedicis6901
      @michaeldemedicis6901 4 роки тому

      Hi you may be slightly popping the string with finger drag. So the string rotates in the direction of the release .

  • @rikodracula8822
    @rikodracula8822 3 роки тому

    Mantap👍👍

  • @comfusedWorldpassanger3399
    @comfusedWorldpassanger3399 4 роки тому +2

    Thank you for also going out to debunck this idiotic myth that the way you shot now, is Impossible.. I have moved more and more away from western archery, using mostly my Asian style bows now with the arrow on the right side of the arc ofcoz .

  • @corneldelport7490
    @corneldelport7490 4 роки тому +1

    There is no wrong way or right way . Read up on the subject . It is the same with fishing . All Americans reel left handed . Why ?
    I shot with the arrow resting on my right thumb . Fishing or reeling with the right hand . Always use the dominant hand

    • @MeadLongbows
      @MeadLongbows  4 роки тому

      I agree with you there is no right or wrong way. In this 2 part video I clearly side with the fact that there are many archery styles out there and none of them are "the only way" you must not have watched the videos all the way through, either way thanks for watching part of it. I dont reel left handed by the way

  • @glennc1961
    @glennc1961 4 роки тому

    Why??

  • @TheAthanik
    @TheAthanik 4 роки тому

    Yeah 6 meters :)

  • @noyanborialp706
    @noyanborialp706 4 роки тому

    Its good side, you are wrong...! what you named wrong, its good in reality ! Because, English long bow was 180-210 cm. to long. and it was wooden bow. on the horses was ! useless, But Central Asian Turkish-Mongolian bows where wooden bows with, at the time supported composite material (mostly water buffel horn)70-80 cm. long. It was very usefully on the horses and very strong. Right handy warriors where shooting with right hands, left hands keeping the bow, and hand full arrows. They could shoot it very short time and many arrows. That played big rol, They could dominate, at the time as known world...! They came from Central Asia to Poland-East Germany, They Dominated all Asia and big part Europe. What is good about shooting with bow and arrows ! if you being left handy you must shoot with your left hand,put the arrows left side of the bow,, if you are right handy, you must shoot with your right hand and you have to put that arrow right side of the bow. read some history books and get some good information ! about this. Dont be such an idiot. Learn som thing from UA-cam videos. there is many videos about it.

  • @glennforsyth3539
    @glennforsyth3539 4 роки тому

    so what crap way were you drawing the bow before, its the only correct way to draw a bow

  • @MikeKay1978
    @MikeKay1978 4 роки тому

    obviously photoshopped as this shot is impossible. . . . (ironi)

  • @glennforsyth3539
    @glennforsyth3539 4 роки тому +1

    you are looking your bow arm will never be accurate at distance, if you can't draw the bow with out a bend in your bow arm you do not have the style required to shoot this style of bow,, and 25 yards is the min to start,, any fool can hit at that range