NDFRS Fallout Reporting Post: a Relic of the Cold War

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  • @xaenon9849
    @xaenon9849 11 місяців тому +3

    based on the way the hand cranked air pump is laid out, I would guess the stack connected to it is the fresh-air inlet. Looks like a 'squirrel cage' (centrifugal) type of unit, similar to the blower of most forced-air furnaces.

  • @Tishers
    @Tishers Рік тому +37

    You know, the entire hazard of exposing oneself to hazardous radiation to take hourly measurements could of been solved by digging down a six inch diameter steel pipe next to the entrance tunnel and capping it with a thin aluminum box. Mount a pulley in the aluminum box at the top, run a rope or wire from pulley at top and pulley at bottom and you can run the meter up the inside of the pipe to the top.
    Then you could use a (surplus) rifle scope and a flashlight to read the meter at the top of the pipe while you are still at the bottom (safe) and underground).
    Lower the meter back down, go back in to your room and close the door to the tunnel and wait an hour before taking another reading.
    Gamma radiation is practically transparent to light gauge aluminum or at least a compensating factor (multiplier) could be used to give an accurate reading after the attenuation of the aluminum cap.

    • @Shockedbywater
      @Shockedbywater Рік тому

      I am sure the government had many designs that would have worked but they ll cost more money than doing nothing.

    • @Mungobohne1
      @Mungobohne1 Рік тому +1

      you are worthy of the nobel prize haha

    • @tommorrison1414
      @tommorrison1414 Рік тому +2

      I think the fallout monitoring staff only had to survive long enough to monitor the fallout for a while, it wasn't important that they be protected from long-term effects of radiation.

    • @SlavTiger
      @SlavTiger 10 місяців тому

      A nuclear "periscope"?

  • @zopEnglandzip
    @zopEnglandzip Рік тому +15

    You got a little muddled, ground observer corps was US civil defense and the British bunkers were operated by the Royal observer corps, founded in the 20's but tracing its roots to observation posts manned by the army and police during the first world war and the Zeppelin and gotha bomber attacks.

  • @____________________________.x
    @____________________________.x Рік тому +12

    13:14 The second pipe wasn't a spare inlet, it's only a few feet away, it is the vent pipe. On a normal bunker they would both have overpressure valves fitted and some kind of carbon filter. These appear to be missing on this example

  • @MD-qm6gy
    @MD-qm6gy 3 роки тому +27

    "You're probably getting tired of me standing here talking..."
    Not one iota Gilles. Speak on... your wisdom should be shouted from the rooftops. My kids would be privileged to have a teacher such as you.

    • @CanadianMacGyver
      @CanadianMacGyver  3 роки тому +5

      Thank you, Matt, that really means a lot. Though all I meant was that I front-loaded the video with background when most viewers are likely itching for me to go inside the bunker :P.

    • @maxasaurus3008
      @maxasaurus3008 Рік тому +2

      Aww, but no he’s right! I found your channel after hanging around Forgotten Weapons and I think Our Own Devices is very underrated. Keep doing your thing these videos are Great!

  • @Stray03
    @Stray03 Рік тому +10

    Visited the Diefenbunker, as you said worth seeing at least once, go with the Tour option, You get a lot more out of the experience for 50 cents more. Also that bunker was "no family invited" too.

  • @lauxmyth
    @lauxmyth Рік тому +2

    If you get the chance, go see the play “When the Wind Blows”. Good luck with this.

  • @robk7783
    @robk7783 Рік тому

    A great presentation which brought back some childhood memories. In 1962 our family went on vacation from Vancouver to visit my aunt & uncle in Glendon Alberta. My uncle was the station master there & showed me the bunker that was installed by the railway station. Beside the small station he was in charge of the bunker too. It was similar in size to the one shown at Victoria Manitoba except it was at ground level being covered with earth from what I can remember. I do remember my uncle demonstrating the hand operate air pump that is seen in this video & looked similar.

  • @neohabilis7412
    @neohabilis7412 8 місяців тому

    You deserve a larger audience for your excellent work.

  • @gonzo_the_great1675
    @gonzo_the_great1675 Рік тому +4

    The British organisation you referenced was the Royal Observer Corps (ROC).
    It was actually only closed down in the 1980's. When many of the two man bunkers were sold off. Some were brought by farmers who's land they were on, so they could remove them. Many were brought just as playthings. A few are in the hands of enthusiasts who have refitted them out as they originally would have been and keep them as private museums.

    • @Matt_The_Hugenot
      @Matt_The_Hugenot Рік тому +1

      The ROC bunkers were incredibly small and damp not to mention the hazard of the guy who has to get out into the recently irradiated environment to service the detector.
      Most of them were positioned fairly close to likely targets too.

    • @andyguy0610
      @andyguy0610 10 місяців тому +1

      A Crew for a Monitoring post was three people not two. I can testify as to how cold they could get in the winter months

  • @Ophelia74
    @Ophelia74 Рік тому +1

    I LOVE the Carp museum, I have been twice and wish I lived closer to it so I could go more often.

  • @dellawrence4323
    @dellawrence4323 Рік тому +5

    Not the ground observer core in the UK, the Royal Observer Core, the bunkers were called ROC bunkers.

  • @rishavshreeram5488
    @rishavshreeram5488 3 роки тому +4

    God love your soul. Keep up the excellent work, you beautiful man.

  • @jhogan1960
    @jhogan1960 Рік тому +2

    I found your videos and have been an avid viewer. I hope your channel garners more views. Your production quality is engaging and excellent.

  • @davida1hiwaaynet
    @davida1hiwaaynet Рік тому +5

    Very nice to see this bunker! Happy they were never needed. But that would be so cool to have in my yard! I would have to find a way to use it; for storage, a meditation room, a computer room or something.... I would spend time in it.

  • @Ed_Stuckey
    @Ed_Stuckey Рік тому +8

    This would make a great storm shelter for Tornado Alley.

    • @arricammarques1955
      @arricammarques1955 Місяць тому +1

      Plenty of home nuclear shelters were built in Florida.

  • @62Cristoforo
    @62Cristoforo Рік тому +3

    Switzerland has an extensive and sophisticated network of government built shelters and defence posts fitted with heavy weapons. As well, every house has its own basement shelter complete with air filter systems and power generating equipment. There’s a YT video on this somewhere.

    • @Dano12345100
      @Dano12345100 Рік тому +1

      Finland probably has the largest and best network of shelters in the world. I guess if you lived next door to the bear you would be too.

  • @morganahoff2242
    @morganahoff2242 Рік тому

    I used to live in Manitoba, and spent a lot of time at Victoria Beach, so good to see it represented here. Another place that might make a good video, is Maskwa. There were 'survival shelters' built by UofM architecture students in the 1970's. The brief was, they had a bill of materials, including the number of sheets of plywood, studs, etc. and the assignment to design a shelter where 2 people could stay the night, heating the shelter only with their body heat and 1 candle. Only 2 shelters were functional, after 20 years of being exposed to the elements. But the ruins make a great tour, and the variety of ideas is remarkable.

  • @tonyc7352
    @tonyc7352 3 роки тому +1

    This was very interesting and very well presented, thank you. Well worth my 20 minutes. I am also going to view some of your other videos.

  • @62Cristoforo
    @62Cristoforo Рік тому +1

    I heard somewhere that the number 1 strategic target in Canada, from the USSR, was North Bay, Ontario. This is the mirror site of NORAD HQ, deep in the Cheyenne mountains, in case it is wiped out.

  • @62Cristoforo
    @62Cristoforo Рік тому

    This is fascinating. Thanks for the history.

  • @PilotTed
    @PilotTed Рік тому +3

    I'm not sure if you will read this, but I was hoping yall could check out the US M140 Chemical Agent Automatic Alarm Test set, and it's M10 Power Supply. Not too long ago, I acquired the M140 Test set and an M10 Power supply, and I have been looking for some replacement parts to get it functioning again, but I'm curious about it's history. I can send you pictures if desired.

  • @freshfood3308
    @freshfood3308 3 роки тому

    I'm not sure how the algorithm brought us together, but I am very intrigued!

  • @fratercontenduntocculta8161
    @fratercontenduntocculta8161 Рік тому +1

    I would buy a house simply if it had one of these! It would be the ultimate guy cave, and family defense shelter when needed!

  • @TimChuma
    @TimChuma Рік тому

    Southern Cross station in Melbourne, Australia has a similar issue with bureaucracy. Due to VLine (state) and Metro (privatised) sharing the station they can't agree to simple things like having bins on the plaforms

  • @BichaelStevens
    @BichaelStevens 11 місяців тому

    I got a Soviet nuclear bunker at my workplace. It's a section of the basement with airlock doors on both sides, rows of bare wooden bunk beds, a bathroom, air filtration system.

  • @Rayman1971
    @Rayman1971 Рік тому +1

    When I was an Air Cadet in Nanaimo in the 80's, they would parade us around the Diefenbunker there....

  • @airspeedmph
    @airspeedmph 3 роки тому +40

    In the mid 70's in Romania almost all new buildings were constructed with fallout shelters, at least in the big cities. I do have one in my building basement as well. Is rather spacious (is for tens of people) , has two airlocks, each with two big heavy metal doors, emergency lights, and air filtration system that can be used electric or manual, sanitary arrangements etc.
    But while initially maintained and taken care of, they eventually got abandoned by the authorities and people started using them for whatever purpose (storage etc) but civil protection.
    Lately though I see many of them restored to their initial purpose. You can see one of them (very similar with mine) here:
    ua-cam.com/video/nfCjXb6JrbA/v-deo.html&ab_channel=STIRILEMDITV

    • @daviddavidson2357
      @daviddavidson2357 Рік тому +3

      I'd move into the shelter instead of the apartment building.
      Say that I was testing it out for long term use.

    • @geemcspankinson
      @geemcspankinson Рік тому +1

      We have those in finland too since the law mandates them in buildings over some user limit. No airlocks but they do have filtetration, supplies, emergency exit, etc..

  • @stevecastro1325
    @stevecastro1325 10 місяців тому

    By the time I was old enough to know about it, multiple countries already had ICBMs with 30 minutes advance notice of the blast. When I asked my dad, what we would do, he said “if you stay at home, you’ll die at home; if you try to evacuate, you’ll die in traffic jams on the streets and highways. I’d rather stay home“

  • @tomschmidt381
    @tomschmidt381 Рік тому +1

    Another interesting trip down memory lane for this US baby boomer. Fallout shelters were big in the US, I still have a couple of Civil Defense brochures about building them. I assume this also applies to Canadians there were two Conelrad markings on AM radios. The idea was regular radio broadcast would ceases and all stations would use these two frequencies so attacking aircraft could not use radio direction finding.
    I was a high school sophomore during the Cuban Missile crisis, thought the end of the world we imminent.

  • @Justanotherconsumer
    @Justanotherconsumer 9 місяців тому

    Given the vents, how often would the pump have to be used?
    Also, how do you pump when asleep if hand cranked?

  • @aerodynechambers
    @aerodynechambers Рік тому

    Commenting for engagement

  • @spyczech
    @spyczech 7 місяців тому

    5:20 I thought canada was thought of as closer to the soviet union than most countries. Not that it was advantage?

  • @HioImMario
    @HioImMario Рік тому

    It’s giving Technology Connections/extras Vibes

  • @wes11bravo
    @wes11bravo Рік тому

    On a visit up to the great nation of Canada some years back, a conversation around the campfire driven by friends who were Canadian citizens struck up about successful government programs. They all agreed that aerial seeding of dragonfly larvae for mosquito control was a successful program, as well as... umm... the, err...

  • @Mixer-he2wb
    @Mixer-he2wb Рік тому

    1 Evacuation sounds great in Canada as there is a lot of open land. East US, Europe, where are you going to go, the next target? 2 Why did they put newdet posts at targets.

  • @jp-um2fr
    @jp-um2fr Рік тому

    The British Home Guard is taken rather lightly after the TV series 'Dad’s Army'. However, there were hundreds of small underground positions stocked with explosives, etc. to carry on the fight after the Germans had landed. They were not allowed to talk about this whatsoever. All they were allowed to say to their wives or sweethearts. Goodbye. The shelters were stocked with one exception, a large bottle of rum.

  • @needledriver315
    @needledriver315 Рік тому +1

    Carp is west, not North of Ottawa.

  • @maxpayne2574
    @maxpayne2574 Рік тому +2

    The U.S. did the same thing with luxurious bunkers for the President and Senators. Then they told the people to hide under a desk.

  • @darrensmith6999
    @darrensmith6999 Рік тому +1

    In Britain even though we would have been a primary target for Soviet weapon's we were supposed to remove our doors and bank up soil from our gardens or mattresses from our beds against a wall and hide in there !
    Got to love British planning !!!

  • @nickjohnson410
    @nickjohnson410 Рік тому

    It's unfortunate that they didn't deem the project important enough to give each shelter it's own Mr. Handy... not even a single Securitron...

  • @Happyfacehotwheels
    @Happyfacehotwheels Рік тому

    The beginning of your video, all I hear is Method Man "Tical"

  • @stevedawe1553
    @stevedawe1553 Рік тому +1

    Great video but Royal Observer Corps not Ground👍🏻

  • @arricammarques1955
    @arricammarques1955 Місяць тому

    The politicians had protection but citizens were loose change.

  • @kenibnanak5554
    @kenibnanak5554 2 роки тому +1

    I own a surplus 5015/TD Radiacmeter. I need a source of batteries for it. The original batteries were a 6.7V Mercury battery type which is no longer made. The unit uses 7 of them wired differently. It also uses 2 1.3V batterries which I presume were analagous to today's D, C or AA cells. If anyone knows of a source for a battery equivalent to the original 6.7 volt batteries (hopefully of a size that fits in the unit) please advise me. Thanks.

    • @allangibson8494
      @allangibson8494 Рік тому +2

      A pair of lithium batteries will deliver 6.7V. 2 CR2’s will fit in a AA battery holder.
      NiCd recharge batteries put out 1.2V but the 1.5V from a standard alkaline battery is probably close enough.

    • @kenibnanak5554
      @kenibnanak5554 Рік тому +1

      @@allangibson8494 Sadly fitting those into the space provided in the device would require modification which destroys collector value. I will always wonder why Canada designed a system using batteries of a configuration not available outside of internal military supply.

    • @felixyasnopolski8571
      @felixyasnopolski8571 Рік тому +3

      @@kenibnanak5554 The reason is simple - to prevent stealing them for personal use.

    • @kenibnanak5554
      @kenibnanak5554 Рік тому +1

      @@felixyasnopolski8571 So silly that was. If they had just used simple D cells or something else commercially available the device would not be a useless box in the corner today. Of course like the Victoreen radiac it remains useless in peacetime even if it had batteries as situations requiring reading 500 Rote gen are thankfully somewhat rare these days. But I would love to have this unit working in a bunker instead of just sitting in a basement corner.

    • @felixyasnopolski8571
      @felixyasnopolski8571 Рік тому +1

      @@kenibnanak5554 I reckon that with modern technologies it's no problem to print an adapter to e.g. 18650 cell

  • @dk6024
    @dk6024 9 місяців тому

    The one in Fallout 3 has a bobblehead.

  • @nir8924
    @nir8924 Рік тому

    17:45 the person who named this device was having some real issues with his/her height 😊

  • @dougwalker4944
    @dougwalker4944 8 місяців тому

    you and fact boi give me a different pov..🙏🙏🙏

  • @GeorgeWashingtonLaserMusket

    Are American's able to buy land in Canada because suddenly I have a very specific kind of property I am desperate to own lol.

    • @kingcosworth2643
      @kingcosworth2643 Рік тому +1

      A citizen of any country can buy land in the Commonwealth, it is what has driven the insane real estate prices in fact. That and the previous 15 odd years worth of easy access to loan money.

  • @tjtreinen7381
    @tjtreinen7381 Рік тому

    I wasn't around during "Duck and Cover" but I was during the cuban missile crisis.. but just barely..

    • @kingcosworth2643
      @kingcosworth2643 Рік тому

      The AIDS pandemic was the engineered public scare I grew up through.

  • @somethingelse4878
    @somethingelse4878 Рік тому +2

    1:48 in Britain the gov just thought f**k em, just tell the people to get some White paint

    • @Oldtanktapper
      @Oldtanktapper Рік тому +2

      What was that film where (I think) Peter Cook was playing a politician handing out fallout umbrellas to voters?

    • @somethingelse4878
      @somethingelse4878 Рік тому +1

      @@Oldtanktapper The Secret Policeman's Ball maybe ?

    • @Oldtanktapper
      @Oldtanktapper Рік тому +2

      @@somethingelse4878 I think that might be it, thanks.

  • @paulabler1071
    @paulabler1071 Рік тому

    At 5:56
    Suck I dirt and dust and water and other materials.
    Other materials = human beings, animals etc.

  • @Compulsive_LARPer
    @Compulsive_LARPer Рік тому +1

    For the algorithm

  • @chrissinclair8705
    @chrissinclair8705 Рік тому +2

    "Extraordinary ambitious, extraordinarily expensive and as we will soon see ultimately unsuccessful". Sounds like the gun registry, at least you got some cool bunkers with this fiasco. Never underestimate the power of parliament to spend YOUR money on THEIR pet projects. Never...

  • @matthewnewton8812
    @matthewnewton8812 Рік тому +1

    I’m sorry, but even in 1950s dollars $3 million is not that much money. The Canadian government absolutely could have afforded this project. I looked up the Canadian governments budget during this period and it was around $5 billion. $3 million is one half of 1/10th of 1% of the total budget, annually. Hmm….

    • @abigaillilac1370
      @abigaillilac1370 8 місяців тому +1

      It makes complete sense. These were never serious projects, they were only meant to look good to the public. People wanted to feel like their government was going to protect them from the nuclear bombs with civil defense kits. In reality, if the bombs had actually flown, we would've been plunged into nuclear winter and dead in a few years even if we sheltered and didn't die in the blasts. That's why governments have dropped the act and stopped giving a shit about fallout shelters now. The collapse of the USSR wasn't the end of psychos who could nuke us.

  • @yvc9
    @yvc9 Рік тому

    What is the intro music???

    • @pierredufresne996
      @pierredufresne996 Рік тому +1

      Modest Mussorgsky, 'Pictures At An Exhibition', 1874

    • @yvc9
      @yvc9 Рік тому

      @@pierredufresne996 big thks

  • @impv1se
    @impv1se Рік тому +1

    nice to have a .gov bunker in the back yard though. ya never know lol

  • @Pyjamarama11
    @Pyjamarama11 Рік тому +2

    No funds (the publics money) to build public shelters
    But funds to build government bunkers
    .... There endeth the lesson

  • @howardsimpson489
    @howardsimpson489 Рік тому

    Please while you are pontificating, do an analysis of how it was made, materials, depth, restored/shifted, ownership, legal status etc. History is great but you are actually by/in it.

  • @clivekibbler4578
    @clivekibbler4578 Рік тому +1

    so only 2 years after this film was made we are again facing nuclear war ,

    • @haywoodyoudome
      @haywoodyoudome Рік тому

      The chance of nuclear war is constant, it's the media hype to scare the population that changes.

  • @kingcosworth2643
    @kingcosworth2643 Рік тому +2

    A government project that took forever, cost a fortune way above estimates and turned out to be completely pointless, the hell you say. I simply do not believe it. The government has forced it's citizen's to rely on them, they could possibly be unreliable, not a chance, it would be unethical. I reckon we should have the government completely own and operate the food and agricultural system. What could possibly go wrong, everybody could be fed with no need to work for a living, I'm sure it would work...

    • @wes11bravo
      @wes11bravo Рік тому

      A cynic would say the government might take a particular project and "run it into the ground" - I say they are utilizing "redundant destructive testing in order to supply people (who would have difficulty getting work as a toilet seat tester, etc) with taxpayer funded employment".

    • @geemcspankinson
      @geemcspankinson Рік тому

      having worked in corporate, 26 million is cheap as anything for the first try of a multi-year project that isn't a copy of someone else's project

  • @alanchang6575
    @alanchang6575 3 роки тому +4

    These really shows the psychological horror people had to endure every day during the cold war, how helpless average population were in face of nuclear threat.

    • @koolaidblack7697
      @koolaidblack7697 Рік тому +3

      Everybody I've spoken to about the time period says it was fine and not really any different from the 90's on up to now. Except of course back then you could afford everything you needed on a single entry level job.

    • @neon-john
      @neon-john Рік тому

      There was no psychological horror. We knew of the fallout shelters and the Civil Defense supplies that could be had for free but that was the last thing we thought about.
      It's only you younger generations, conditioned to be panphobic (afraid of everything) who think it might have been horrible.

  • @danielescobar7618
    @danielescobar7618 Рік тому +1

    Oh my god. My wife would rather die. I think its awesome. My own little hidey hole to slowly go insane in. I dont think one pipe is for extracting air, hear me out: from my cbrn training in the us military, youd rather just have a constant influx of filtered air maintaining positive interior pressure. There is no effective way of completely sealing out a living space, so by having constant positive pressure, any leaks are just constantly pushing the contamination out

    • @wes11bravo
      @wes11bravo Рік тому +1

      I would imagine a situation like sharing a space like this rivals relationship testing comprised of building IKEA furniture or setting up a complex and large camping tent with one's spouse. I've done the last two and barely survived.

  • @mandolinic
    @mandolinic Рік тому +1

    $26,000,000 in today's money doesn't sound a lot. A new 747 costs over $400,000,000.

    • @Solnoric
      @Solnoric Рік тому +2

      That 747 makes money for the important people though. Fallout shelters don't make a profit under traditional methods.

  • @oliverstianhugaas7493
    @oliverstianhugaas7493 6 місяців тому +1

    "I don't want a shelter in my basement since i am using it for storage." LMAO why are boomers like this?

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman Рік тому +1

    @CanadianMacGyver >>>
    (1) Great video...👍
    (2) Is that a birdhouse hanging in the tree above, to the left, and behind you in this video? {Yes, ADHD is real.}

  • @gary851
    @gary851 Рік тому

    Where is a toilet?

    • @Solnoric
      @Solnoric Рік тому +1

      People in the 1950s were more polite and didn't poop.

    • @wes11bravo
      @wes11bravo Рік тому

      Yes.

  • @red007master2
    @red007master2 Рік тому

    Pulowski

  • @boblake2340
    @boblake2340 Рік тому

    That's Canada for you... smoke and mirrors... Everything done on the cheap and barely useable.

  • @peterjaniceforan3080
    @peterjaniceforan3080 Рік тому

    ☢️😳

  • @TomFarrell-p9z
    @TomFarrell-p9z Рік тому

    I wonder: Would the Soviet Union have actually detonated nuclear weapons on Canadian cities? Of course, Soviet bombers and ICBMs would overfly Canada to attack the US, and Canada and the US, as NORAD partners, would defend the airspace. RCAF and other Canadian military bases would be likely targets to disrupt that defense. During the Cold War the USSR threatened US cities, and vice versa, for deterrence, but what would be the deterrence effect of threatening non-nuclear Canada and her cities? Anyway, seems like in the aftermath of a nuclear war, it would be good to spare a sane country or two to negotiate the peace!

  • @mungojack
    @mungojack Рік тому

    You don't know what a cottage is do you?

  • @paul.alarner6410
    @paul.alarner6410 Рік тому +1

    GET YOUR FACTS CORRECT! in the uk it was the royal observer corps not ground.!!!