Peter Hiett!!!! This message sent me down a long road of studying theology and somehow it led me to Peter Hiett and I love all of his material. Now that I am watching this years later I realized you were in the audience asking Jersak some great questions! You two are the absolute best and my life wont be complete until I meet both of you.
dear brad, may I say your closing comments were better than all of whom you quoted. as always your thoughts were beautifully and clearly expressed. for heavens sake, in the name of common sense, there can be only one free will in this universe and that is gods. there's nothings gets into his universe but that he puts it there. we have what feels like a free will to us but God has never lost control of one sub atomic particle of his creation, to which incidentally, he is inextricably attached. many theologians and lay people as well suffer from lamentably shallow thinking. always fine to see a meeting of the minds like yours, Peter hietts and Robin parrys!
Seems like David Bentley Hart is correct in characterizing hopeful inclusivism as follows: I hope that in the end, I discover that God is as merciful as I am.
The problem with using Free Will as an argument against Universal Salvation is that no one would choose Eternal Torment. Arminians say God respects Humanity's Free Will, but still says he will punish us for actually making a choice he doesn't like. Human Will decided who will be Co Rulers of the Kingdom, but not who will be Saved.
@@Jesusandbible well said. You got straight to the point. It all sounded nice except the word salad about……“ punishing us for a choice he didn’t like”. OMW…how did he twist that one together in his mind?😳
@33:30, the ‘second corollary’.. human freedom.. that anyone would will to remain apart from God’s love.. cf Luke 21:15 “ I will INSPIRE YOU with wisdom which your enemies will be UNABLE TO RESIST”. None shall stand before him ever again and say ‘no’.
p.s. There is, somewhere in St Thomas Aquinas' writings, the idea of mitigation of the punishment in hell, at least on account of good deeds done in this life. So there is in "traditional" theology the idea that the experience of hell is not unrelieved misery, as some would have it.
I have to agree here. The Scholastics are often treated as totally heartless, whereas a fair reading of their writings suggest a powerful respect for the priority of God's love. (As a matter of fact, Aquinas begins his answers to questions about reprobation with a consideration of the goodness of God.) I agree with Dr. Jerry Walls' assessment of medieval theology in his book on Purgatory. (Dr. Walls says that the Scholastics were especially concerned with justice / fairness, a point that I think is frequently lost on their critics.) Anyways -- I know it's popular to bash the Scholastics (Barth does it, lots of Orthodox people do it, etc.), but I think they were much more decent than they are often given credit for.
Gods love outlasts our stubbornness. He is the perfect suitor. Our straw will burn in the fire of His love if we remain rational. How then can we refuse given an eternity in His presence. Our will can only theoretically withstand His Love, unless He Lovingly allows us what we want.
But don't forget that men who choose to remain under the law will be judged by it, is that Gods' will for man? No, but He won't force us to love Him, that's not in His nature...🤔
"Church Planter" is a rare Protestant belief of what a modern Apostle is (I cannot see Jersak not knowing that). So he thinks he is a modern day apostle? And he will one day become one with God in Theosis? Meantime he doesn't even know Jesus Saves! Jersak is an apostate. There are a lot of scriptures that seem to indicate there is now no way back for him, he will carry on until he goes to Hell (the Hell he denies even exists). Does he give communion to people? The hocus pocus Orthodox mass is Christianized witchcraft.
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Brad, you’ve saved my faith. Growing up Baptist I thought I was just a heretic for even hoping this stuff.
Peter Hiett!!!! This message sent me down a long road of studying theology and somehow it led me to Peter Hiett and I love all of his material. Now that I am watching this years later I realized you were in the audience asking Jersak some great questions! You two are the absolute best and my life wont be complete until I meet both of you.
dear brad, may I say your closing comments were better than all of whom you quoted. as always your thoughts were beautifully and clearly expressed. for heavens sake, in the name of common sense, there can be only one free will in this universe and that is gods. there's nothings gets into his universe but that he puts it there. we have what feels like a free will to us but God has never lost control of one sub atomic particle of his creation, to which incidentally, he is inextricably attached. many theologians and lay people as well suffer from lamentably shallow thinking. always fine to see a meeting of the minds like yours, Peter hietts and Robin parrys!
Good stuff Brad. Really needed a couple hours.
Why is it 'good stuff'? In what way?
Oh my gosh, your impression of Kallistos Ware is hysterical
Brilliant lecture.
Seems like David Bentley Hart is correct in characterizing hopeful inclusivism as follows: I hope that in the end, I discover that God is as merciful as I am.
We’ll said👍🏻👍🏻
great lecture
A rather effective imitation of Metropolitan Kallistos's particular manner of emphasis
The problem with using Free Will as an argument against Universal Salvation is that no one would choose Eternal Torment.
Arminians say God respects Humanity's Free Will, but still says he will punish us for actually making a choice he doesn't like.
Human Will decided who will be Co Rulers of the Kingdom, but not who will be Saved.
You a Calvinist? Calvinism is bunk
@@Jesusandbible well said. You got straight to the point. It all sounded nice except the word salad about……“ punishing us for a choice he didn’t like”.
OMW…how did he twist that one together in his mind?😳
Why would you say anti doctrine? That turned me off but still listening.
Those wishing to really dive into Balthasar's thinking on this matter, see Theodrama V: The Last Act.
@33:30, the ‘second corollary’.. human freedom.. that anyone would will to remain apart from God’s love.. cf Luke 21:15 “ I will INSPIRE YOU with wisdom which your enemies will be UNABLE TO RESIST”. None shall stand before him ever again and say ‘no’.
p.s. There is, somewhere in St Thomas Aquinas' writings, the idea of mitigation of the punishment in hell, at least on account of good deeds done in this life. So there is in "traditional" theology the idea that the experience of hell is not unrelieved misery, as some would have it.
I have to agree here. The Scholastics are often treated as totally heartless, whereas a fair reading of their writings suggest a powerful respect for the priority of God's love. (As a matter of fact, Aquinas begins his answers to questions about reprobation with a consideration of the goodness of God.) I agree with Dr. Jerry Walls' assessment of medieval theology in his book on Purgatory. (Dr. Walls says that the Scholastics were especially concerned with justice / fairness, a point that I think is frequently lost on their critics.) Anyways -- I know it's popular to bash the Scholastics (Barth does it, lots of Orthodox people do it, etc.), but I think they were much more decent than they are often given credit for.
G.MacDonald. Thanks. I'll check out Dr Walls' book.
Where is this scheme is Satan? He is strangly missing.
Gods love outlasts our stubbornness. He is the perfect suitor. Our straw will burn in the fire of His love if we remain rational. How then can we refuse given an eternity in His presence. Our will can only theoretically withstand His Love, unless He Lovingly allows us what we want.
@11:13 No; it would be silly to ignore the words of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ concerning eternal damnation.
it would be silly to ignore critical mistranslations of key words of Christ concerning the nature of hell
Very dry, not Brad's usual quality.
But don't forget that men who choose to remain under the law will be judged by it, is that Gods' will for man? No, but He won't force us to love Him, that's not in His nature...🤔
ARE YOU STILL ONLINE?
Not convincing at all.
This dude is trying way to hard to say Eastern Orthodoxy is correct over every other view
Exactly.
"Church Planter" is a rare Protestant belief of what a modern Apostle is (I cannot see Jersak not knowing that). So he thinks he is a modern day apostle? And he will one day become one with God in Theosis? Meantime he doesn't even know Jesus Saves! Jersak is an apostate. There are a lot of scriptures that seem to indicate there is now no way back for him, he will carry on until he goes to Hell (the Hell he denies even exists). Does he give communion to people? The hocus pocus Orthodox mass is Christianized witchcraft.
"meantime he doesn't even know Jesus saves" huh??