This series is better than any murder documentary I have seen. Informative and fact-based. Thank you for the (probably many many) hours you have put into creating this.
I always thought it was Don and ALA working together. This theory is interesting and your video is really good. Thanks for all the time you spent making it.
We appreciate your good, thorough work, Forrest. You deserve a break! I admit I didn’t know much about the zodiac until I watched your series but I’ll certainly keep an eye out for any more breaks in the case. Interesting.
Did Arthur Leigh Allen have a relative by the last name of Paradice? Remember in the documentary Don Cheney gave a reason (a rather poor one in my opinion) why his DNA and fingerprints might possibly be found around the letters. He just so happened to lick the stamps for Arthur and Arthur also managed to get a fingerprint from him. Seems a little convenient to me. Then again who is Don other than somebody who was barrel chested, had a widow's peak, went to school with Paul Avery, had that relative with the unusual last name And just so happened to know everything about the zodiac. The day before his scheduled polygraph test Don Cheney decided to get drunk. Nobody knows for sure but it's all very interesting to think about.
This video series has been better than any true crime documentary I've ever seen - and going by the comments everyone else who watched it agrees. Thank you very much for doing this.
Your two-man theory is quite compelling. Wasn't planning on going down the rabbit hole on Zodiac this weekend. I ended up watching all your videos on this beginning with the X-15 and XB-70 which were great and then just became immersed in your Zodiac series. Made me think it's quite terrifying what one human being can do to another. I guess it is good to know all these suspects have passed away. I can't help but wonder though what may be lurking out there now. Excellent work!
This makes sense as to why there was so much seemingly conclusive evidence against Allen yet there was also evidence that proved he was not the only killer. The fingerprints were from another culprit.
@ that’s not true one of the pieces of evidence that admonished Allen from the murder chess was the mismatch in fingerprints. Go google it dude, not my job to convince you ahah.
Best series ever, and there have been tons of Zodiac documentaries. I hope this is the start of many investigative Forrest documentaries!! Thanks for all the effort, including the extensive video editing.
This was really well done. Probably the best analysis I’ve seen. Thank you for your hard work here. Really interesting viewing and I definitely reckon you’re onto something with your theory!
I also believe that the Zodiac was two ppl working to throw off the police and the media. At first, I thought it was Kane and Sullivan working together. Sullivan and Cherri Jo Bates attended the same university in 1966. At Lake Berryessa, two young women saw a man in scuba suit, with curly hair roaming the park an hour before the couple was stabbed. Yet, the teenagers that saw the assailant getting out of Stein's cab, gave a description very different from the women at the Lake Berryessa. Now, after watching this ...I believe Allen was working with Kane. Smh
So the two killers and best suspects wouldn't be Arthur and Don? Don had a widow's peak, he was barrel chested, he was intelligent, he seemingly had a motive (if the allegations are true) against ALA. What proof do we have that Arthur said he would call himself the zodiac and kill couples at random? The word of Don Cheney? Seriously? And remember, according to Don, Arthur not only had a fingerprint of his but Don also licked the stamps. Don also went to school with Paul Avery and had a relative with the last name "Paradice "
Whoever it was used a disguise at all the murders apparently. My assumption is Allen did the murders and Cheney penned the letters/ciphers, or possibly Kane. Even gone as far as thinking it could’ve been Donald Harden.
Your theory is sound. After watching the essay on Kane, I was as convinced it was him but couldn't write off Allen. I didn't think for a moment they'd be working in concert, but here we are. Great work Forrest - thanks for this excellent series.
@@raynus1160 there are many coincidences with several persons of interest. I'm open minded to the two person theory but there's actually no evidence for this and certainly no evidence for Kane
@@theycantallbezodiac you should do more reading on Kane. His criminal history shows that he was perfectly capable of orchestrating and skirting prosecution for legally complex white collar crimes. He was only apprehended for the unimportant stuff.
I recommend "In the Shadow of Mt. Diablo" by Mike Rodelli. Rodelli makes a compelling case that the Zodiac was one of San Francisco's wealthiest citizens.
This is a very well done series on the zodiac. Then again all your videos are well researched & presented with a professional touch. Thanks for all the work you put into your video's & for our viewing.
All we have is Don Chaney's word that he said that and the police officer said zodiac have a widow's peak. Neither Arthur Leigh Allen or Lawrence Kane has a widow's peak but Don Chaney does.
Excellent series!!! Thank you for all the work you put into your channel. I agree that it was these two suspects, and what stuck out to me is the markings on the Lake Berryessa car. The first 2 dates are in numerical format, but the 3rd date uses text and numbers with the time and method. I think it was intentional and signifies Allen was the killer on the first 2 dates, while a different killer (Kane) did the Lake Berryessa stabbings. I also think Allen's interview refencing a chicken (coward), was meant as a sick insult to Brian Hartnell.
Just binge watched all six videos this morning, and despite some critical comments from some of the naysayers here, I'd like to say a heartfelt thanks for all your tireless research on this case that has baffled everyone for over half a century. I've heard the theory of multiple killers years ago, and though it certainly seems plausible, this may very well remain one of the most infamous and intriguing unsolved cases from the 20th century.
Great video! I'm an artist studying in Atlanta, and I share your passion for history. Your videos are always insightful and thought-provoking. I’d love to see you cover the Gulf War in your next upload! Looking forward to your take on it. Keep up the great work!
Excellent investigation series. I hate to see this series end as I have been intrigued by the Zodiac killings. Your theory of there being 2 killers working together is very plausible. I'm also impressed as to how well you use the Google Earth app when making your documentaries. I look forward to your next UA-cam post.
I hate to burst your bubble, Forrest Haggerty, but both Allen and Kane's DNA were tested against the bloody finger print left at the cab and stamp saliva, and both returned negative. Neither were Zodiac. I only learned recently that Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen were not singled out and targeted. Apparently Zodiac chased someone before those two and failed. So, that would make him an oppoturnistic killer. I think the key is Kathleen Johns. She saw him clearly. Did she even give a composite sketch or point anybody out? Her involvement is miniscule. Why didn't she speak more? Every current suspect on the table is not the Zodiac. When it all boils down, we'll never truly know who he was. And he got away with it. This will frustrate people to their graves - the not knowing part.
@@marikafasola8771 On the Stine cab it was and palm print on a letter was as well. He placed middle finger and 4th finger on the cab with blood as proof.
Forrest, you are so thoughtful, detailed, engaging and thorough. I love it every time you upload, and I can’t wait for whatever you do next. Thank you for such brilliant and fascinating content!! We appreciate your hard work.
I’d like to make mention that I’ve heard in at least one other video that Leigh Allen visited a friend in Lake Tahoe. If I recall correctly it stated the friend owned a hotel. It’s quite possible the friend worked at a hotel and could be Lawrence Kane. Something to research if you haven’t already. This is one of the best set of videos I’ve seen yet regarding the zodiac killer. Your work is very thorough, I’m quite impressed. I hope to see more videos on this subject from you in the future. Also, you should do a D.B. Cooper video at some point. Thank you for your insight, it’s very compelling!!!
Forrest, you've outdone yourself! This is top-notch investigative journalism. I've been trying to identify Zodiac's identity for almost 20 years. I've read Robert Graysmith's books Zodiac and Zodiac Unmasked, seen the David Fincher masterpiece from '07, and watched several videos and documentaries. I've been obsessed with finding out who he is and spent countless hours going down different UA-cam rabbit holes. Not only that, I've spent time just staring at all the locations on Google maps (addresses of victims/suspects and where the phone calls/murders occurred) trying to decipher Zodiac's modus operandi. I think this case is so intriguing because it's been unsolved for 50+ years now. Your video series on the Zodiac is so well done and honestly it's the most comprehensive collection of insights on the case I've ever seen. Bravo!
@@jonbonesmahomes7472 I've gone back and forth on who I think is the Zodiac. When I first got interested in the case I thought it had to be Arthur Leigh Allen because of all the circumstantial evidence against him. But then I heard that his fingerprints, DNA, and writing samples were not a match. Not sure if that's been definitively corroborated or not. However, as Forrest pointed out, any of the other suspects or persons of interest in this case could easily be identified as Zodiac. Allen is definitely the most consistent suspect, again because of all of the circumstantial evidence against him. Also, the new documentary surrounding the case, This Is The Zodiac Speaking on Netflix, lends more credence to the idea that he was the killer. It's very detailed and delves into his time with this family he befriended leading up to the murders. He frequented the area around Lake Berryessa and according to some witnesses, even some of the crime scenes. He owned the zodiac wristwatch and a pair of Wing Walker boots. Friends of his say that he made statements even claiming to be the zodiac. There's a bunch more stuff I could list and a lot in the new documentary. However, I don't think we'll ever really know the truth because so much time has passed and there's some credible circumstantial evidence against other suspects too. Much like the Jack the Ripper remains unsolved, I think the Zodiac case will stay that way too barring someone coming forward with new evidence or new DNA cropping up.
@@jamesscarantino5536 Yep,watched a new documentary on netflix few days ago. But i never believed ALA was the Zodiac,not because the fingerprints or DNA. Zodiac in my opinion never left HIS fingerprints or dna on the crime scenes,he was only playing with the police,maybe left other fingerprints. It doesnt make sense to leave fingerprints if he wore gloves. Even after this documentary on netflix,i dont believe it was him. Why this family decided to speak right now? Do they lie?etc Also,ALA was too huge to be the Z. Bryan Hartnell would have known it was him ,but i think he wasnt. When mageau said ALA shot him and killed darlene,that was 20years later ,also he was blinded by the Z’s flashlight and he couldnt see him well. I dont have my fave suspect,before like 5years sgo i thought it could be Rick Marshall but wasnt him as well. But i agree with you,we will never find out unfortunately.
Brooooo! hands down page turner! best doc on he topic ! And I just finished the Netflix doc - and somehow / gotta admit this blew my mind more! I have a gift sir!- Can’t wait to see ur other stuff!🎉
I guarantee you the Zodiac Killer had a military background. Remember there were many military installations in the Bay Area at the time: Travis AFB, Mare Island Naval Shipyard, NAS Alameda, Naval Station Treasure Island, Hunters Point Naval Shipyard. The killer was either military or ex-military. Maybe he transferred to another base or was deployed to Vietnam and the killings stopped. That period was also the height of the Vietnam War.
Yeah but you’re assuming everything Cheney said was correct. It’s just his word. He could be trying to frame ALA. Was there anything Don said that matched information that wasn’t public record?
I'm not sure Don Chaney told the truth let me tell you something don Chaney looks more like the zodiac than Arthur Leigh Allen. No one describe the zodiac that will fit Arthur Leigh Allen which would be a balding 260 lb man that's the description was a flat top with glasses, about 160 to 170 lb with a pot belly and about 5 ft 8 to 5 ft 10. Too short for Arthur Leigh Allen and too tall for Lawrence Kane. To describe Arthur Leigh Allen they would have to say a balding blimp.
You definitely cant get around ALA having the pipe bombs being very similiar to the bus bomb letter. I mean who the heck has bombs in their basement 1 of every 30million people or some crazy odds. I like your theory its interesting.
Allen and Allen's brother were the Zodiac killer(s) ....because there are no secrets between brothers!!! And when the police first asked Allen's brother about - what do you know about the Zodiac killer? Could Allen, your brother, be the Zodiac killer? He was sitting in the living room next to his wife and immediately said --> nothing! But, during the answer, he looked down (at the ground). He didn't tell the truth and participated in at least 2 murders or carried them out alone without Allen (and of course, he told his brother what and how he carried them out). That's why Allen mentioned 7 things in his first interrogation, maybe how he would do it himself, but it's very likely that he wasn't there!!
You’ve made a very interesting thought provoking series. Thank you for that. I’d like to see you make a series on the Jonbenet Ramsey case. I wouldn’t expect you to necessarily ‘solve’ it, but your thoughts on it would be very interesting.
It makes sense that the murders were not the work of one individual. The fact the investigations were bundled together from CJB to Stine as the work of one author made advancements impossible in this case. Namely because the killer's description kept shifting with the numerous witness accounts the police received. Especially in what relates to his weight and height. That's what happens when you're looking for a "one and the same" denominator, when in fact you should be looking at more than one suspect. The Lake Berryessa event screams Arthur Leigh Allen, provided he used a wig, and gives a hint about CJB not being his work. Stine on the other hand, does not seem to be ALA and more like Lawrence Kane. Whether they knew one another before the murders, or were the murders and ciphers a way of communicating/acknowledging one another, is a good question to explore.
By the way, I meant to ask in my earlier post. Is there any evidence that Lawrence Kane was a cigarette smoker? I ask this because I’ve heard it mentioned in numerous videos that Leigh Allen was a drinker, but I’ve never heard anything about cigarette smoking. It’s been said that the three woman at Lake Berryessa claim the strange man in the car was smoking cigarettes. Also, the man sitting in the car outside of Darlene Ferrin’s house was smoking as well!
You did an outstanding job with this! No doubt you spent a lot of time putting this together with all the research you did. I have to say that part 6 is my favorite of the series and I don't think I can dispute much of your conclusion of what happened. So many crazy details to tie together with these events. Just a side point, I can't help but notice how many faces L. Kane seems to have. It seems like every photo of him looks different. It also baffles me how two strangers can meet like that, have the same level of crazy, and be able to trust each other like that....but I don't have much doubt that it happened that way. Always looking forward to your next one, Forrest !
I just received this notification which proves how slow UA-cam can be..I have enjoyed your video series on the Zodiac and you have certainly given me something new to think about as to who the Zodiac could have been..Thank you
Congratulations. I was looking into the Zodiac case and mystery. I discarded all the letters to look into only the facts and evidence in all cases. I concluded that there were two killers and that they had to have worked together. I also concluded the two suspects in my own opinion were Arthur Leigh Allen and Lawrence Kane myself. I also went by both composite drawings. There was a totally different composite of the Zodiac at the Lake Veresa murder. It looks like Arthur Leigh Allen and was given by other eyewitness accounts that were at the lake. I think they both were looking for chance of opportunity and that Arthur was seen by the eyewitness and Kane was the one who did the killing. Arthur was pulled over by a police officer that day and was questioned about the bloody knives. I agree it had to be two killers and that one made the phone calls and the other wrote the letters. Good theory and so far the most logical one until actual forensics evidence comes forward.
Is it possible all the things Chaney accused Allen of saying are things he could have just gotten from media reports? A lot of those things are mentioned in the Zodiac letters that were sent to the newspapers, as well as police statements. Don reported this to the police in 1971, 2 years after the murders.
I thought it was Gaikkowski for a while, but after watching the Netflix thing today and hearing the Seawater kids, I'm dead certain it was Arthur Leigh Allen.
Lake Herman Rd was the incident suggesting two suspects driving around and working together. The other killings seem to indicate a lone killer, but that doesn't eliminate them planning together. Sounds like Allen was more the letter writer, originator of Zodiac killings, while Kane acted as the primary killer. Who knows maybe they took turns... very interesting theory nonetheless!
Wow, another UA-camr, who normally does paranormal videos, went to a few of the crime scenes of the Zodiac. On their voice machines (don't know what they're called), the words 'condo' and 'real estate' were picked up a number of times!
This is starting out pretty good I like it so far! I'ma 35 yr zodiac follower and I can't hate on his picks tbh ... I'm still stumped but I know what type he was i think
At 33:40 it shows the ALA writing sample. What i find interesting is when he writes santa Rosa avenue. The s is backwards and looks like a z. Much like how in the zodiac letters, there are a bunch of backwards letters.
why was there no cypher notebooks when warrant was served on Allen? did kane write the cyphers? what about tying this to riverside? why was no genealogy done on the dna evidnce? best documentary yet
These were great videos and I appreciate all the work that went into them. Both have been investigated to no end and there is zero proof either committed the acts, much less that they ever met and decided to team up. Sadly, the initial investigations weren't good enough and the Zodiac/s got away.
I've studied the Zodiac case for many years now and this actually never crossed my mind ..i mean i thought over the years " maybe it was 2 people" but I never put ALA & LK together...you could be on to something here dude
Bryan Calvin Hartnell said that the zodiac had a slight stutter and Lawrence Kane had a slight stutter because of a head injury but on the phone calls the zodiac had no stutter just a deep monotone
This has been a very interesting account. Accurate and to the point. I would agree with the Author that there is more than one suspect involved. Had the dispatch not said a Black male suspect. Then the two Officers would have had the best opportunity to see the suspect up close and maybe even hands on.
I'm very impressed with your dedication to the videos you do, sir. I liked your Kane video elsewhere. Especially the part about him being in reality and only they received the picture of the Sierra club photo. But you have to go back to the rh initials on the desk at Riverside. He gave up his name. Can anyone trace records of all who attended that community college way back then? Is it true the WANTED sketch of Zodiac isn't really him? I mean, they upgraded that impression to the older looking truck driver dude that nobody ever talks about. What if all known suspects so far aren't the killer and he's an entirely different person nobody has hit base on?
This series is better than any murder documentary I have seen. Informative and fact-based. Thank you for the (probably many many) hours you have put into creating this.
Right. Well done.
I'll have to watch it. I'm looking for good content.
Unfortunately I didn't find good content.
Sad that Allen was released from prison after molesting children
This is the type of research we do not see anymore, always loving the videos.
I should probably watch it then. I love truth, and reality. Will check it out.
@@StinkyPataki it's information that's readily available
@@theycantallbezodiac you have to understand, I do not want to do the research. So I watch this and his other videos and I get good information.
@StinkyPataki and there lies the problem
@@theycantallbezodiac you’d be a moron to google up information you could already find on UA-cam, plus you get entertainment.
I always thought it was Don and ALA working together. This theory is interesting and your video is really good. Thanks for all the time you spent making it.
We appreciate your good, thorough work, Forrest. You deserve a break! I admit I didn’t know much about the zodiac until I watched your series but I’ll certainly keep an eye out for any more breaks in the case. Interesting.
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Item 22 on Allen's search warrant inventory. "Winchester super ammo" which they forgot to put the "X". Super X is the Same ammo Zodiac used.
Did Arthur Leigh Allen have a relative by the last name of Paradice?
Remember in the documentary Don Cheney gave a reason (a rather poor one in my opinion) why his DNA and fingerprints might possibly be found around the letters. He just so happened to lick the stamps for Arthur and Arthur also managed to get a fingerprint from him. Seems a little convenient to me.
Then again who is Don other than somebody who was barrel chested, had a widow's peak, went to school with Paul Avery, had that relative with the unusual last name And just so happened to know everything about the zodiac.
The day before his scheduled polygraph test Don Cheney decided to get drunk. Nobody knows for sure but it's all very interesting to think about.
This video series has been better than any true crime documentary I've ever seen - and going by the comments everyone else who watched it agrees. Thank you very much for doing this.
Your two-man theory is quite compelling. Wasn't planning on going down the rabbit hole on Zodiac this weekend. I ended up watching all your videos on this beginning with the X-15 and XB-70 which were great and then just became immersed in your Zodiac series. Made me think it's quite terrifying what one human being can do to another. I guess it is good to know all these suspects have passed away. I can't help but wonder though what may be lurking out there now. Excellent work!
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This makes sense as to why there was so much seemingly conclusive evidence against Allen yet there was also evidence that proved he was not the only killer. The fingerprints were from another culprit.
Zodiac NEVER LEFT HIS FINGERPRINTS AT THE CRIME SCENE.
How you cannot understand that ?
And it makes no sense at all,guy wore gloves.
@ that’s not true one of the pieces of evidence that admonished Allen from the murder chess was the mismatch in fingerprints. Go google it dude, not my job to convince you ahah.
Best channel on UA-cam!!
You got that right. Couldn't agree more. Great job Forrest.
His quality is good.
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Best series ever, and there have been tons of Zodiac documentaries. I hope this is the start of many investigative Forrest documentaries!! Thanks for all the effort, including the extensive video editing.
This was really well done. Probably the best analysis I’ve seen. Thank you for your hard work here. Really interesting viewing and I definitely reckon you’re onto something with your theory!
I also believe that the Zodiac was two ppl working to throw off the police and the media. At first, I thought it was Kane and Sullivan working together. Sullivan and Cherri Jo Bates attended the same university in 1966. At Lake Berryessa, two young women saw a man in scuba suit, with curly hair roaming the park an hour before the couple was stabbed.
Yet, the teenagers that saw the assailant getting out of Stein's cab, gave a description very different from the women at the Lake Berryessa. Now, after watching this ...I believe Allen was working with Kane. Smh
So the two killers and best suspects wouldn't be Arthur and Don?
Don had a widow's peak, he was barrel chested, he was intelligent, he seemingly had a motive (if the allegations are true) against ALA.
What proof do we have that Arthur said he would call himself the zodiac and kill couples at random? The word of Don Cheney? Seriously?
And remember, according to Don, Arthur not only had a fingerprint of his but Don also licked the stamps.
Don also went to school with Paul Avery and had a relative with the last name "Paradice "
Don Cheney is 6’4, if not bigger. The tallest estimated height of the zodiac killer was 6’0. Usually the consensus was the killer was around 5’8-5’9
Whoever it was used a disguise at all the murders apparently. My assumption is Allen did the murders and Cheney penned the letters/ciphers, or possibly Kane. Even gone as far as thinking it could’ve been Donald Harden.
Your theory is sound. After watching the essay on Kane, I was as convinced it was him but couldn't write off Allen. I didn't think for a moment they'd be working in concert, but here we are.
Great work Forrest - thanks for this excellent series.
Kane was a petty criminal apprehended many times, hardly the traits of the Zodiac
@@theycantallbezodiac
Too many coincidences to overlook.
One was the mastermind, the other was a follower.
@@raynus1160 there are many coincidences with several persons of interest. I'm open minded to the two person theory but there's actually no evidence for this and certainly no evidence for Kane
@@theycantallbezodiac you should do more reading on Kane. His criminal history shows that he was perfectly capable of orchestrating and skirting prosecution for legally complex white collar crimes. He was only apprehended for the unimportant stuff.
@@louishardiman2467 I've done lots of research on Kane
I recommend "In the Shadow of Mt. Diablo" by Mike Rodelli. Rodelli makes a compelling case that the Zodiac was one of San Francisco's wealthiest citizens.
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A fantastic, non stop finale to this great mini series.
Thank you v😊
This is a very well done series on the zodiac. Then again all your videos are well researched & presented with a professional touch. Thanks for all the work you put into your video's & for our viewing.
You’re my favorite UA-camr by a long shot. Great video as always.
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Kane used the real Zodiac as cover to commit his own crimes. So in a way I guess they did work together. Great video series!
Forrest voice is very calming and relaxing. I watch in bed so it takes me days to watch as I keep falling asleep.
All we have is Don Chaney's word that he said that and the police officer said zodiac have a widow's peak. Neither Arthur Leigh Allen or Lawrence Kane has a widow's peak but Don Chaney does.
The detail in your videos is mind bowing, makes the hair on my arms stand up like I'm there. Best site on UA-cam
Thank you. Well researched. Watched all six & enjoyed your detailed conclusion
Excellent series!!! Thank you for all the work you put into your channel. I agree that it was these two suspects, and what stuck out to me is the markings on the Lake Berryessa car. The first 2 dates are in numerical format, but the 3rd date uses text and numbers with the time and method. I think it was intentional and signifies Allen was the killer on the first 2 dates, while a different killer (Kane) did the Lake Berryessa stabbings. I also think Allen's interview refencing a chicken (coward), was meant as a sick insult to Brian Hartnell.
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You did an amazing job on this case Forrest! Can't wait to see more videos!
But Russia is an expansionist, imperialist dictatorship ruled by old commies worshipping Stalin!
Just binge watched all six videos this morning, and despite some critical comments from some of the naysayers here, I'd like to say a heartfelt thanks for all your tireless research on this case that has baffled everyone for over half a century. I've heard the theory of multiple killers years ago, and though it certainly seems plausible, this may very well remain one of the most infamous and intriguing unsolved cases from the 20th century.
Great wrap-up on this series about a very intriguing case. Brilliant work as always my friend. 👍👍
Great video! I'm an artist studying in Atlanta, and I share your passion for history. Your videos are always insightful and thought-provoking. I’d love to see you cover the Gulf War in your next upload! Looking forward to your take on it. Keep up the great work!
Quality as always.
Way better than anything on TV, Streaming, etc
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Excellent investigation series. I hate to see this series end as I have been intrigued by the Zodiac killings. Your theory of there being 2 killers working together is very plausible. I'm also impressed as to how well you use the Google Earth app when making your documentaries. I look forward to your next UA-cam post.
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I hate to burst your bubble, Forrest Haggerty, but both Allen and Kane's DNA were tested against the bloody finger print left at the cab and stamp saliva, and both returned negative. Neither were Zodiac. I only learned recently that Faraday and Betty Lou Jensen were not singled out and targeted. Apparently Zodiac chased someone before those two and failed. So, that would make him an oppoturnistic killer. I think the key is Kathleen Johns. She saw him clearly. Did she even give a composite sketch or point anybody out? Her involvement is miniscule. Why didn't she speak more? Every current suspect on the table is not the Zodiac. When it all boils down, we'll never truly know who he was. And he got away with it. This will frustrate people to their graves - the not knowing part.
bloody finger print is not zodiac's
@@marikafasola8771 On the Stine cab it was and palm print on a letter was as well. He placed middle finger and 4th finger on the cab with blood as proof.
@@donkeystench1236 bloody prints on the cab were made by kids
was a great series, and a very interesting conclusion. thank you for uploading
I can’t even guess how much time and effort this research took. GREAT JOB Forrest!
This is fantastic. Thank you for all the hard work!
It’s odd because Don Cheney looks exactly like the drawing
Yep, a bit tall description wise but put some glasses on him he’s a dead ringer. Mageau, Hartnell both said the killer was 5’9-6’0, Cheney was 6’4.
Forrest, you are so thoughtful, detailed, engaging and thorough. I love it every time you upload, and I can’t wait for whatever you do next. Thank you for such brilliant and fascinating content!! We appreciate your hard work.
Forrest you are the gigachad of Zodiac research
Great job. I couldn't wait for part 6. Ok,what's next? I'm hooked on your channel.
I’d like to make mention that I’ve heard in at least one other video that Leigh Allen visited a friend in Lake Tahoe. If I recall correctly it stated the friend owned a hotel. It’s quite possible the friend worked at a hotel and could be Lawrence Kane. Something to research if you haven’t already. This is one of the best set of videos I’ve seen yet regarding the zodiac killer. Your work is very thorough, I’m quite impressed. I hope to see more videos on this subject from you in the future. Also, you should do a D.B. Cooper video at some point. Thank you for your insight, it’s very compelling!!!
Excellent research, Forrest! Very impressive. I love your channel and all your videos. Thanks!
Thank you very much! You are very kind!
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 No problem. It is well deserved. Keep up the good work!
Outstanding Job! This case has always interested me. I have even visited a couple of the murder sites.
Great effort Forrest. The gathering of data, analysis and overall time taken must have been incredibly extensive. Appreciate it. Thanks again 😊
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Forrest, you've outdone yourself! This is top-notch investigative journalism. I've been trying to identify Zodiac's identity for almost 20 years. I've read Robert Graysmith's books Zodiac and Zodiac Unmasked, seen the David Fincher masterpiece from '07, and watched several videos and documentaries. I've been obsessed with finding out who he is and spent countless hours going down different UA-cam rabbit holes. Not only that, I've spent time just staring at all the locations on Google maps (addresses of victims/suspects and where the phone calls/murders occurred) trying to decipher Zodiac's modus operandi. I think this case is so intriguing because it's been unsolved for 50+ years now. Your video series on the Zodiac is so well done and honestly it's the most comprehensive collection of insights on the case I've ever seen. Bravo!
So ,whats your opinion on the case ?
Elaborate a bit
@@jonbonesmahomes7472 I've gone back and forth on who I think is the Zodiac. When I first got interested in the case I thought it had to be Arthur Leigh Allen because of all the circumstantial evidence against him. But then I heard that his fingerprints, DNA, and writing samples were not a match. Not sure if that's been definitively corroborated or not. However, as Forrest pointed out, any of the other suspects or persons of interest in this case could easily be identified as Zodiac. Allen is definitely the most consistent suspect, again because of all of the circumstantial evidence against him. Also, the new documentary surrounding the case, This Is The Zodiac Speaking on Netflix, lends more credence to the idea that he was the killer. It's very detailed and delves into his time with this family he befriended leading up to the murders. He frequented the area around Lake Berryessa and according to some witnesses, even some of the crime scenes. He owned the zodiac wristwatch and a pair of Wing Walker boots. Friends of his say that he made statements even claiming to be the zodiac. There's a bunch more stuff I could list and a lot in the new documentary. However, I don't think we'll ever really know the truth because so much time has passed and there's some credible circumstantial evidence against other suspects too. Much like the Jack the Ripper remains unsolved, I think the Zodiac case will stay that way too barring someone coming forward with new evidence or new DNA cropping up.
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Yep,watched a new documentary on netflix few days ago.
But i never believed ALA was the Zodiac,not because the fingerprints or DNA.
Zodiac in my opinion never left HIS fingerprints or dna on the crime scenes,he was only playing with the police,maybe left other fingerprints.
It doesnt make sense to leave fingerprints if he wore gloves.
Even after this documentary on netflix,i dont believe it was him.
Why this family decided to speak right now?
Do they lie?etc
Also,ALA was too huge to be the Z.
Bryan Hartnell would have known it was him ,but i think he wasnt.
When mageau said ALA shot him and killed darlene,that was 20years later ,also he was blinded by the Z’s flashlight and he couldnt see him well.
I dont have my fave suspect,before like 5years sgo i thought it could be Rick Marshall but wasnt him as well.
But i agree with you,we will never find out unfortunately.
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Brooooo! hands down page turner! best doc on he topic ! And I just finished the Netflix doc - and somehow / gotta admit this blew my mind more! I have a gift sir!- Can’t wait to see ur other stuff!🎉
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Liking and Commenting because these Zodiac vids are SO good. All your stuff is good. But I could watch your investigative Zodiac vids forever lol.
Im sad this series is at an end... Great Job. Very entertaining
YYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!!! Cant wait to watch this after work!!! Thanks for creating this series, Forest!!!
I really enjoyed the whole serie. Thank you. Such a great job investigating.
I guarantee you the Zodiac Killer had a military background. Remember there were many military installations in the Bay Area at the time: Travis AFB, Mare Island Naval Shipyard, NAS Alameda, Naval Station Treasure Island, Hunters Point Naval Shipyard. The killer was either military or ex-military. Maybe he transferred to another base or was deployed to Vietnam and the killings stopped. That period was also the height of the Vietnam War.
That's not a fact
Cheney had some time at Travis AFB
bro solved the zodiac
No. Horan did. This was all a myth. It all goes back to Hal Snook.
@@MikeyMike-fb5hx I like myths. Let's do it.
Somebody had to. Amirite?
@@MikeyMike-fb5hxhoran is full of shit
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You nailed it. We love you man.......
Yes! Forrest is back. Zodiac is forever fascinating.
Thanks.
Myth. Hal Snook wrote the letters.
Yeah but you’re assuming everything Cheney said was correct. It’s just his word. He could be trying to frame ALA. Was there anything Don said that matched information that wasn’t public record?
Don was full of shit, butbthen again so was the Zodiac. Don inserted himself into the case from the start
I'm not sure Don Chaney told the truth let me tell you something don Chaney looks more like the zodiac than Arthur Leigh Allen. No one describe the zodiac that will fit Arthur Leigh Allen which would be a balding 260 lb man that's the description was a flat top with glasses, about 160 to 170 lb with a pot belly and about 5 ft 8 to 5 ft 10. Too short for Arthur Leigh Allen and too tall for Lawrence Kane. To describe Arthur Leigh Allen they would have to say a balding blimp.
You definitely cant get around ALA having the pipe bombs being very similiar to the bus bomb letter. I mean who the heck has bombs in their basement 1 of every 30million people or some crazy odds. I like your theory its interesting.
Great work on this series Forrest 🎉
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Wow, fantastic analysis. Great work!
Allen and Allen's brother were the Zodiac killer(s) ....because there are no secrets between brothers!!! And when the police first asked Allen's brother about - what do you know about the Zodiac killer? Could Allen, your brother, be the Zodiac killer?
He was sitting in the living room next to his wife and immediately said --> nothing! But, during the answer, he looked down (at the ground). He didn't tell the truth and participated in at least 2 murders or carried them out alone without Allen (and of course, he told his brother what and how he carried them out). That's why Allen mentioned 7 things in his first interrogation, maybe how he would do it himself, but it's very likely that he wasn't there!!
You’ve made a very interesting thought provoking series. Thank you for that. I’d like to see you make a series on the Jonbenet Ramsey case. I wouldn’t expect you to necessarily ‘solve’ it, but your thoughts on it would be very interesting.
Forrest is so thorough. 😮
Great series Forrest.
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It makes sense that the murders were not the work of one individual. The fact the investigations were bundled together from CJB to Stine as the work of one author made advancements impossible in this case. Namely because the killer's description kept shifting with the numerous witness accounts the police received. Especially in what relates to his weight and height. That's what happens when you're looking for a "one and the same" denominator, when in fact you should be looking at more than one suspect. The Lake Berryessa event screams Arthur Leigh Allen, provided he used a wig, and gives a hint about CJB not being his work. Stine on the other hand, does not seem to be ALA and more like Lawrence Kane. Whether they knew one another before the murders, or were the murders and ciphers a way of communicating/acknowledging one another, is a good question to explore.
By the way, I meant to ask in my earlier post. Is there any evidence that Lawrence Kane was a cigarette smoker? I ask this because I’ve heard it mentioned in numerous videos that Leigh Allen was a drinker, but I’ve never heard anything about cigarette smoking. It’s been said that the three woman at Lake Berryessa claim the strange man in the car was smoking cigarettes. Also, the man sitting in the car outside of Darlene Ferrin’s house was smoking as well!
I'm here because of Netflix's This is The Zodiac Speaking 🤔
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This was so fascinating and informative! Well done Forrest!
I’m happy you enjoyed it 🙏
Wow! Great job on the series. Best I've seen.
Whew! That's a sht ton of detail and information. Thank you for all the research Forrest. Very interesting.
You did an outstanding job with this! No doubt you spent a lot of time putting this together with all the research you did. I have to say that part 6 is my favorite of the series and I don't think I can dispute much of your conclusion of what happened.
So many crazy details to tie together with these events. Just a side point, I can't help but notice how many faces L. Kane seems to have. It seems like every photo of him looks different. It also baffles me how two strangers can meet like that, have the same level of crazy, and be able to trust each other like that....but I don't have much doubt that it happened that way.
Always looking forward to your next one, Forrest !
I also believe of this theory: 2 serial killers
RIP Donna Lass. 2023 was a long time to wait for her family.
I'd say what a joke
I just received this notification which proves how slow UA-cam can be..I have enjoyed your video series on the Zodiac and you have certainly given me something new to think about as to who the Zodiac could have been..Thank you
At this point, it’s the only thing that makes sense to me after covering all accessible information numerous times.
Congratulations. I was looking into the Zodiac case and mystery. I discarded all the letters to look into only the facts and evidence in all cases.
I concluded that there were two killers and that they had to have worked together.
I also concluded the two suspects in my own opinion were Arthur Leigh Allen and Lawrence Kane myself.
I also went by both composite drawings. There was a totally different composite of the Zodiac at the Lake Veresa murder. It looks like Arthur Leigh Allen and was given by other eyewitness accounts that were at the lake.
I think they both were looking for chance of opportunity and that Arthur was seen by the eyewitness and Kane was the one who did the killing.
Arthur was pulled over by a police officer that day and was questioned about the bloody knives.
I agree it had to be two killers and that one made the phone calls and the other wrote the letters.
Good theory and so far the most logical one until actual forensics evidence comes forward.
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Is it possible all the things Chaney accused Allen of saying are things he could have just gotten from media reports? A lot of those things are mentioned in the Zodiac letters that were sent to the newspapers, as well as police statements. Don reported this to the police in 1971, 2 years after the murders.
Chaney tried to frame Allen because he touched one of his kids inappropriately.
@@Mr.PopularThe3rd And yet remained friends with him. If someone touched one of my kids i'm sure as hell no longer inviting him over for a bbq,
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Great video and series! Thank you.
2 man team, good out of the box thinking. Thank you. Btw , what ever happened to Kane??
He died in 2010 while living in Reno.
I thought it was Gaikkowski for a while, but after watching the Netflix thing today and hearing the Seawater kids, I'm dead certain it was Arthur Leigh Allen.
An enjoyable and informative series! Thank you!
Lake Herman Rd was the incident suggesting two suspects driving around and working together. The other killings seem to indicate a lone killer, but that doesn't eliminate them planning together. Sounds like Allen was more the letter writer, originator of Zodiac killings, while Kane acted as the primary killer. Who knows maybe they took turns... very interesting theory nonetheless!
Wow, another UA-camr, who normally does paranormal videos, went to a few of the crime scenes of the Zodiac. On their voice machines (don't know what they're called), the words 'condo' and 'real estate' were picked up a number of times!
Amazing documentary
Brilliant, thanks Forrest. 👍
To me this makes the most sense, as far as the facts and information we have currently.
very impressed. Thank you for doing this
Do you know if Kanes palm print was ever tested against the zodiacs?
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This is starting out pretty good I like it so far! I'ma 35 yr zodiac follower and I can't hate on his picks tbh ... I'm still stumped but I know what type he was i think
At 33:40 it shows the ALA writing sample. What i find interesting is when he writes santa Rosa avenue. The s is backwards and looks like a z. Much like how in the zodiac letters, there are a bunch of backwards letters.
why was there no cypher notebooks when warrant was served on Allen? did kane write the cyphers? what about tying this to riverside? why was no genealogy done on the dna evidnce? best documentary yet
Maybe he destroyed them.
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These were great videos and I appreciate all the work that went into them. Both have been investigated to no end and there is zero proof either committed the acts, much less that they ever met and decided to team up. Sadly, the initial investigations weren't good enough and the Zodiac/s got away.
That's incorrect, Cheney wasn't investigated at the time
@@theycantallbezodiacI wasn't talking about Cheney.
@@joshie4330 who was you referring to?
I've always liked Kane as a suspect. Need to get his dna and see if it matches the stamps on the letters
I've studied the Zodiac case for many years now and this actually never crossed my mind ..i mean i thought over the years " maybe it was 2 people" but I never put ALA & LK together...you could be on to something here dude
Bryan Calvin Hartnell said that the zodiac had a slight stutter and Lawrence Kane had a slight stutter because of a head injury but on the phone calls the zodiac had no stutter just a deep monotone
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This is an amazing example of true detective and research work. This is how it’s done.
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This has been a very interesting account. Accurate and to the point. I would agree with the Author that there is more than one suspect involved. Had the dispatch not said a Black male suspect. Then the two Officers would have had the best opportunity to see the suspect up close and maybe even hands on.
I'm very impressed with your dedication to the videos you do, sir. I liked your Kane video elsewhere. Especially the part about him being in reality and only they received the picture of the Sierra club photo. But you have to go back to the rh initials on the desk at Riverside. He gave up his name. Can anyone trace records of all who attended that community college way back then? Is it true the WANTED sketch of Zodiac isn't really him? I mean, they upgraded that impression to the older looking truck driver dude that nobody ever talks about. What if all known suspects so far aren't the killer and he's an entirely different person nobody has hit base on?
Amazing Documentary 💯
If anyone can track down the Zodiac it’s Forrest.