This series is better than any murder documentary I have seen. Informative and fact-based. Thank you for the (probably many many) hours you have put into creating this.
We appreciate your good, thorough work, Forrest. You deserve a break! I admit I didn’t know much about the zodiac until I watched your series but I’ll certainly keep an eye out for any more breaks in the case. Interesting.
I always thought it was Don and ALA working together. This theory is interesting and your video is really good. Thanks for all the time you spent making it.
This was really well done. Probably the best analysis I’ve seen. Thank you for your hard work here. Really interesting viewing and I definitely reckon you’re onto something with your theory!
Best series ever, and there have been tons of Zodiac documentaries. I hope this is the start of many investigative Forrest documentaries!! Thanks for all the effort, including the extensive video editing.
This video series has been better than any true crime documentary I've ever seen - and going by the comments everyone else who watched it agrees. Thank you very much for doing this.
This is a very well done series on the zodiac. Then again all your videos are well researched & presented with a professional touch. Thanks for all the work you put into your video's & for our viewing.
Excellent investigation series. I hate to see this series end as I have been intrigued by the Zodiac killings. Your theory of there being 2 killers working together is very plausible. I'm also impressed as to how well you use the Google Earth app when making your documentaries. I look forward to your next UA-cam post.
Brooooo! hands down page turner! best doc on he topic ! And I just finished the Netflix doc - and somehow / gotta admit this blew my mind more! I have a gift sir!- Can’t wait to see ur other stuff!🎉
Did Arthur Leigh Allen have a relative by the last name of Paradice? Remember in the documentary Don Cheney gave a reason (a rather poor one in my opinion) why his DNA and fingerprints might possibly be found around the letters. He just so happened to lick the stamps for Arthur and Arthur also managed to get a fingerprint from him. Seems a little convenient to me. Then again who is Don other than somebody who was barrel chested, had a widow's peak, went to school with Paul Avery, had that relative with the unusual last name And just so happened to know everything about the zodiac. The day before his scheduled polygraph test Don Cheney decided to get drunk. Nobody knows for sure but it's all very interesting to think about.
Your two-man theory is quite compelling. Wasn't planning on going down the rabbit hole on Zodiac this weekend. I ended up watching all your videos on this beginning with the X-15 and XB-70 which were great and then just became immersed in your Zodiac series. Made me think it's quite terrifying what one human being can do to another. I guess it is good to know all these suspects have passed away. I can't help but wonder though what may be lurking out there now. Excellent work!
Great video! I'm an artist studying in Atlanta, and I share your passion for history. Your videos are always insightful and thought-provoking. I’d love to see you cover the Gulf War in your next upload! Looking forward to your take on it. Keep up the great work!
Forrest, you've outdone yourself! This is top-notch investigative journalism. I've been trying to identify Zodiac's identity for almost 20 years. I've read Robert Graysmith's books Zodiac and Zodiac Unmasked, seen the David Fincher masterpiece from '07, and watched several videos and documentaries. I've been obsessed with finding out who he is and spent countless hours going down different UA-cam rabbit holes. Not only that, I've spent time just staring at all the locations on Google maps (addresses of victims/suspects and where the phone calls/murders occurred) trying to decipher Zodiac's modus operandi. I think this case is so intriguing because it's been unsolved for 50+ years now. Your video series on the Zodiac is so well done and honestly it's the most comprehensive collection of insights on the case I've ever seen. Bravo!
@@jonbonesmahomes7472 I've gone back and forth on who I think is the Zodiac. When I first got interested in the case I thought it had to be Arthur Leigh Allen because of all the circumstantial evidence against him. But then I heard that his fingerprints, DNA, and writing samples were not a match. Not sure if that's been definitively corroborated or not. However, as Forrest pointed out, any of the other suspects or persons of interest in this case could easily be identified as Zodiac. Allen is definitely the most consistent suspect, again because of all of the circumstantial evidence against him. Also, the new documentary surrounding the case, This Is The Zodiac Speaking on Netflix, lends more credence to the idea that he was the killer. It's very detailed and delves into his time with this family he befriended leading up to the murders. He frequented the area around Lake Berryessa and according to some witnesses, even some of the crime scenes. He owned the zodiac wristwatch and a pair of Wing Walker boots. Friends of his say that he made statements even claiming to be the zodiac. There's a bunch more stuff I could list and a lot in the new documentary. However, I don't think we'll ever really know the truth because so much time has passed and there's some credible circumstantial evidence against other suspects too. Much like the Jack the Ripper remains unsolved, I think the Zodiac case will stay that way too barring someone coming forward with new evidence or new DNA cropping up.
@@jamesscarantino5536 Yep,watched a new documentary on netflix few days ago. But i never believed ALA was the Zodiac,not because the fingerprints or DNA. Zodiac in my opinion never left HIS fingerprints or dna on the crime scenes,he was only playing with the police,maybe left other fingerprints. It doesnt make sense to leave fingerprints if he wore gloves. Even after this documentary on netflix,i dont believe it was him. Why this family decided to speak right now? Do they lie?etc Also,ALA was too huge to be the Z. Bryan Hartnell would have known it was him ,but i think he wasnt. When mageau said ALA shot him and killed darlene,that was 20years later ,also he was blinded by the Z’s flashlight and he couldnt see him well. I dont have my fave suspect,before like 5years sgo i thought it could be Rick Marshall but wasnt him as well. But i agree with you,we will never find out unfortunately.
Forrest, you are so thoughtful, detailed, engaging and thorough. I love it every time you upload, and I can’t wait for whatever you do next. Thank you for such brilliant and fascinating content!! We appreciate your hard work.
Forrest, you are so thoughtful, detailed, engaging and thorough. I love it every time you upload, and I can’t wait for whatever you do next. Thank you for such brilliant and fascinating content!!
I just received this notification which proves how slow UA-cam can be..I have enjoyed your video series on the Zodiac and you have certainly given me something new to think about as to who the Zodiac could have been..Thank you
This makes sense as to why there was so much seemingly conclusive evidence against Allen yet there was also evidence that proved he was not the only killer. The fingerprints were from another culprit.
@ that’s not true one of the pieces of evidence that admonished Allen from the murder chess was the mismatch in fingerprints. Go google it dude, not my job to convince you ahah.
I’d like to make mention that I’ve heard in at least one other video that Leigh Allen visited a friend in Lake Tahoe. If I recall correctly it stated the friend owned a hotel. It’s quite possible the friend worked at a hotel and could be Lawrence Kane. Something to research if you haven’t already. This is one of the best set of videos I’ve seen yet regarding the zodiac killer. Your work is very thorough, I’m quite impressed. I hope to see more videos on this subject from you in the future. Also, you should do a D.B. Cooper video at some point. Thank you for your insight, it’s very compelling!!!
Your theory is sound. After watching the essay on Kane, I was as convinced it was him but couldn't write off Allen. I didn't think for a moment they'd be working in concert, but here we are. Great work Forrest - thanks for this excellent series.
@@raynus1160 there are many coincidences with several persons of interest. I'm open minded to the two person theory but there's actually no evidence for this and certainly no evidence for Kane
@@theycantallbezodiac you should do more reading on Kane. His criminal history shows that he was perfectly capable of orchestrating and skirting prosecution for legally complex white collar crimes. He was only apprehended for the unimportant stuff.
So the two killers and best suspects wouldn't be Arthur and Don? Don had a widow's peak, he was barrel chested, he was intelligent, he seemingly had a motive (if the allegations are true) against ALA. What proof do we have that Arthur said he would call himself the zodiac and kill couples at random? The word of Don Cheney? Seriously? And remember, according to Don, Arthur not only had a fingerprint of his but Don also licked the stamps. Don also went to school with Paul Avery and had a relative with the last name "Paradice "
You’ve made a very interesting thought provoking series. Thank you for that. I’d like to see you make a series on the Jonbenet Ramsey case. I wouldn’t expect you to necessarily ‘solve’ it, but your thoughts on it would be very interesting.
You did an outstanding job with this! No doubt you spent a lot of time putting this together with all the research you did. I have to say that part 6 is my favorite of the series and I don't think I can dispute much of your conclusion of what happened. So many crazy details to tie together with these events. Just a side point, I can't help but notice how many faces L. Kane seems to have. It seems like every photo of him looks different. It also baffles me how two strangers can meet like that, have the same level of crazy, and be able to trust each other like that....but I don't have much doubt that it happened that way. Always looking forward to your next one, Forrest !
I recommend "In the Shadow of Mt. Diablo" by Mike Rodelli. Rodelli makes a compelling case that the Zodiac was one of San Francisco's wealthiest citizens.
I'm very impressed with your dedication to the videos you do, sir. I liked your Kane video elsewhere. Especially the part about him being in reality and only they received the picture of the Sierra club photo. But you have to go back to the rh initials on the desk at Riverside. He gave up his name. Can anyone trace records of all who attended that community college way back then? Is it true the WANTED sketch of Zodiac isn't really him? I mean, they upgraded that impression to the older looking truck driver dude that nobody ever talks about. What if all known suspects so far aren't the killer and he's an entirely different person nobody has hit base on?
I believe it ! It had to be two ! And most likely these two ! Everybody who has a suspect of one person is wrong ! That’s why no one person is 100% the zodiac ! Good work !
This is starting out pretty good I like it so far! I'ma 35 yr zodiac follower and I can't hate on his picks tbh ... I'm still stumped but I know what type he was i think
Ha... ironic timing... my lunch time last reply on twttr an hour was about your island documentary.... i posted a reply of it an hour before you put this up. small world. cheers. good work.
Excellent series!!! Thank you for all the work you put into your channel. I agree that it was these two suspects, and what stuck out to me is the markings on the Lake Berryessa car. The first 2 dates are in numerical format, but the 3rd date uses text and numbers with the time and method. I think it was intentional and signifies Allen was the killer on the first 2 dates, while a different killer (Kane) did the Lake Berryessa stabbings. I also think Allen's interview refencing a chicken (coward), was meant as a sick insult to Brian Hartnell.
These were great videos and I appreciate all the work that went into them. Both have been investigated to no end and there is zero proof either committed the acts, much less that they ever met and decided to team up. Sadly, the initial investigations weren't good enough and the Zodiac/s got away.
I thought it was Gaikkowski for a while, but after watching the Netflix thing today and hearing the Seawater kids, I'm dead certain it was Arthur Leigh Allen.
It makes sense that the murders were not the work of one individual. The fact the investigations were bundled together from CJB to Stine as the work of one author made advancements impossible in this case. Namely because the killer's description kept shifting with the numerous witness accounts the police received. Especially in what relates to his weight and height. That's what happens when you're looking for a "one and the same" denominator, when in fact you should be looking at more than one suspect. The Lake Berryessa event screams Arthur Leigh Allen, provided he used a wig, and gives a hint about CJB not being his work. Stine on the other hand, does not seem to be ALA and more like Lawrence Kane. Whether they knew one another before the murders, or were the murders and ciphers a way of communicating/acknowledging one another, is a good question to explore.
I already commented on your previous videos. This is overall amazing job. I also believe that for sure there were more than one person behind the Zodiac (possibly two) and most probably one of them was ALA. My only two questions to your video, and excuse me if I missed that part, is there a proof that Allen and Kane knew each other? Because to my knowledge there is not. Also, I think I read that Lawrence Kane had a NY accent, which this has never been confirmed by one of the victims. Again correct me if I'm wrong in any of my two questions, neverthless you have done amazing job!
There is no proof they knew each other but there is proof they both knew Darlene Ferrin. According to Darlene Ferrin and Mike Mageau, they were both in the parking for the shooting. Darlene basically described Kane before she was shot and her family confirmed Kane knew her and stocked her. Mike Mageau quickly identified Allen as the gunman.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 Mike Mageau didnt identify ALA QUICKLY as the gunman. He identified him 20years later . Also,Mike COULD NOT HAVE SEEN THE GUNMAN ,he was sitting normally in his passenger seat with his face and sight pointed straight forward in the car. Also ,when he looked right ,the Zodiac pointed his gun with a flashlight in his face and startet shooting. So now you explain me ,how the h he saw the Zodiac’s face ? We all know that a bullsh.
I guarantee you the Zodiac Killer had a military background. Remember there were many military installations in the Bay Area at the time: Travis AFB, Mare Island Naval Shipyard, NAS Alameda, Naval Station Treasure Island, Hunters Point Naval Shipyard. The killer was either military or ex-military. Maybe he transferred to another base or was deployed to Vietnam and the killings stopped. That period was also the height of the Vietnam War.
I've studied the Zodiac case for many years now and this actually never crossed my mind ..i mean i thought over the years " maybe it was 2 people" but I never put ALA & LK together...you could be on to something here dude
You definitely cant get around ALA having the pipe bombs being very similiar to the bus bomb letter. I mean who the heck has bombs in their basement 1 of every 30million people or some crazy odds. I like your theory its interesting.
Congratulations. I was looking into the Zodiac case and mystery. I discarded all the letters to look into only the facts and evidence in all cases. I concluded that there were two killers and that they had to have worked together. I also concluded the two suspects in my own opinion were Arthur Leigh Allen and Lawrence Kane myself. I also went by both composite drawings. There was a totally different composite of the Zodiac at the Lake Veresa murder. It looks like Arthur Leigh Allen and was given by other eyewitness accounts that were at the lake. I think they both were looking for chance of opportunity and that Arthur was seen by the eyewitness and Kane was the one who did the killing. Arthur was pulled over by a police officer that day and was questioned about the bloody knives. I agree it had to be two killers and that one made the phone calls and the other wrote the letters. Good theory and so far the most logical one until actual forensics evidence comes forward.
This makes more sense, Good work sir, This was great work, They got scared and stoped and lived there life as free men, Shame on these two losers, That Allen must have been very smart, Too bad you can’t find his education background being so far back,
why was there no cypher notebooks when warrant was served on Allen? did kane write the cyphers? what about tying this to riverside? why was no genealogy done on the dna evidnce? best documentary yet
Yeah but you’re assuming everything Cheney said was correct. It’s just his word. He could be trying to frame ALA. Was there anything Don said that matched information that wasn’t public record?
The two killer idea is very interesting but I'm going to put this to you: Instead of Allen and Kane, how about Allen and Gaikowski? Both men attended the same psychiatric outpatient clinic, which was opposite a restaurant and library that a number of the victims frequented. Gaikowski was also interested in "The Most Dangerous Game" and Ferrin said to Mageau that she thought they were being followed by "Richard".
@@forresthaggertychannel4301Darlene Ferrin's 2 sisters IDed Kane as well. Mageau initially gave Sgt. Ed Rust the " short, beefy with a belly" description, before he got opioided out and mentally gone.
Very good video accumulating facts. Personally I have the notion that Kane was zodiac. But the Berryessa knife murder was Allen operating as a zodiac wannabe. The cosplay aspect and use of knife was this persons attempt to contribute to ‘furthering’ the zodiac notoriety and become part of it. Such was the allure created by the media coverage of the Zodiac. Personally I doubt they worked together, but rather Kane liked that someone was trying to emulate him and didn’t wish to discourage it by negating it. That murder raised the zodiac profile in way that pleased Kane.
It would be interesting if you could go way back in time and do a video on Bonnie and Clyde and where they were all shot up on that dirt road by officers in an ambush near Sailes, Bienville Parish, Louisiana. I did not know that they were only 23 and 25 years old.
This series is better than any murder documentary I have seen. Informative and fact-based. Thank you for the (probably many many) hours you have put into creating this.
Right. Well done.
I'll have to watch it. I'm looking for good content.
Unfortunately I didn't find good content.
This is the type of research we do not see anymore, always loving the videos.
I should probably watch it then. I love truth, and reality. Will check it out.
@@StinkyPataki it's information that's readily available
We appreciate your good, thorough work, Forrest. You deserve a break! I admit I didn’t know much about the zodiac until I watched your series but I’ll certainly keep an eye out for any more breaks in the case. Interesting.
I always thought it was Don and ALA working together. This theory is interesting and your video is really good. Thanks for all the time you spent making it.
This was really well done. Probably the best analysis I’ve seen. Thank you for your hard work here. Really interesting viewing and I definitely reckon you’re onto something with your theory!
A fantastic, non stop finale to this great mini series.
Thank you v😊
Best channel on UA-cam!!
You got that right. Couldn't agree more. Great job Forrest.
His quality is good.
Best series ever, and there have been tons of Zodiac documentaries. I hope this is the start of many investigative Forrest documentaries!! Thanks for all the effort, including the extensive video editing.
You’re my favorite UA-camr by a long shot. Great video as always.
This video series has been better than any true crime documentary I've ever seen - and going by the comments everyone else who watched it agrees. Thank you very much for doing this.
This is a very well done series on the zodiac. Then again all your videos are well researched & presented with a professional touch. Thanks for all the work you put into your video's & for our viewing.
Quality as always.
Way better than anything on TV, Streaming, etc
Thank You Forrest 👏👏👍👍
Excellent investigation series. I hate to see this series end as I have been intrigued by the Zodiac killings. Your theory of there being 2 killers working together is very plausible. I'm also impressed as to how well you use the Google Earth app when making your documentaries. I look forward to your next UA-cam post.
You did an amazing job on this case Forrest! Can't wait to see more videos!
But Russia is an expansionist, imperialist dictatorship ruled by old commies worshipping Stalin!
Great wrap-up on this series about a very intriguing case. Brilliant work as always my friend. 👍👍
Brooooo! hands down page turner! best doc on he topic ! And I just finished the Netflix doc - and somehow / gotta admit this blew my mind more! I have a gift sir!- Can’t wait to see ur other stuff!🎉
Item 22 on Allen's search warrant inventory. "Winchester super ammo" which they forgot to put the "X". Super X is the Same ammo Zodiac used.
Did Arthur Leigh Allen have a relative by the last name of Paradice?
Remember in the documentary Don Cheney gave a reason (a rather poor one in my opinion) why his DNA and fingerprints might possibly be found around the letters. He just so happened to lick the stamps for Arthur and Arthur also managed to get a fingerprint from him. Seems a little convenient to me.
Then again who is Don other than somebody who was barrel chested, had a widow's peak, went to school with Paul Avery, had that relative with the unusual last name And just so happened to know everything about the zodiac.
The day before his scheduled polygraph test Don Cheney decided to get drunk. Nobody knows for sure but it's all very interesting to think about.
Outstanding Job! This case has always interested me. I have even visited a couple of the murder sites.
I can’t even guess how much time and effort this research took. GREAT JOB Forrest!
Forrest voice is very calming and relaxing. I watch in bed so it takes me days to watch as I keep falling asleep.
Your two-man theory is quite compelling. Wasn't planning on going down the rabbit hole on Zodiac this weekend. I ended up watching all your videos on this beginning with the X-15 and XB-70 which were great and then just became immersed in your Zodiac series. Made me think it's quite terrifying what one human being can do to another. I guess it is good to know all these suspects have passed away. I can't help but wonder though what may be lurking out there now. Excellent work!
Great video! I'm an artist studying in Atlanta, and I share your passion for history. Your videos are always insightful and thought-provoking. I’d love to see you cover the Gulf War in your next upload! Looking forward to your take on it. Keep up the great work!
Great effort Forrest. The gathering of data, analysis and overall time taken must have been incredibly extensive. Appreciate it. Thanks again 😊
Excellent research, Forrest! Very impressive. I love your channel and all your videos. Thanks!
Thank you very much! You are very kind!
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 No problem. It is well deserved. Keep up the good work!
The detail in your videos is mind bowing, makes the hair on my arms stand up like I'm there. Best site on UA-cam
Forrest, you've outdone yourself! This is top-notch investigative journalism. I've been trying to identify Zodiac's identity for almost 20 years. I've read Robert Graysmith's books Zodiac and Zodiac Unmasked, seen the David Fincher masterpiece from '07, and watched several videos and documentaries. I've been obsessed with finding out who he is and spent countless hours going down different UA-cam rabbit holes. Not only that, I've spent time just staring at all the locations on Google maps (addresses of victims/suspects and where the phone calls/murders occurred) trying to decipher Zodiac's modus operandi. I think this case is so intriguing because it's been unsolved for 50+ years now. Your video series on the Zodiac is so well done and honestly it's the most comprehensive collection of insights on the case I've ever seen. Bravo!
So ,whats your opinion on the case ?
Elaborate a bit
@@jonbonesmahomes7472 I've gone back and forth on who I think is the Zodiac. When I first got interested in the case I thought it had to be Arthur Leigh Allen because of all the circumstantial evidence against him. But then I heard that his fingerprints, DNA, and writing samples were not a match. Not sure if that's been definitively corroborated or not. However, as Forrest pointed out, any of the other suspects or persons of interest in this case could easily be identified as Zodiac. Allen is definitely the most consistent suspect, again because of all of the circumstantial evidence against him. Also, the new documentary surrounding the case, This Is The Zodiac Speaking on Netflix, lends more credence to the idea that he was the killer. It's very detailed and delves into his time with this family he befriended leading up to the murders. He frequented the area around Lake Berryessa and according to some witnesses, even some of the crime scenes. He owned the zodiac wristwatch and a pair of Wing Walker boots. Friends of his say that he made statements even claiming to be the zodiac. There's a bunch more stuff I could list and a lot in the new documentary. However, I don't think we'll ever really know the truth because so much time has passed and there's some credible circumstantial evidence against other suspects too. Much like the Jack the Ripper remains unsolved, I think the Zodiac case will stay that way too barring someone coming forward with new evidence or new DNA cropping up.
@@jamesscarantino5536
Yep,watched a new documentary on netflix few days ago.
But i never believed ALA was the Zodiac,not because the fingerprints or DNA.
Zodiac in my opinion never left HIS fingerprints or dna on the crime scenes,he was only playing with the police,maybe left other fingerprints.
It doesnt make sense to leave fingerprints if he wore gloves.
Even after this documentary on netflix,i dont believe it was him.
Why this family decided to speak right now?
Do they lie?etc
Also,ALA was too huge to be the Z.
Bryan Hartnell would have known it was him ,but i think he wasnt.
When mageau said ALA shot him and killed darlene,that was 20years later ,also he was blinded by the Z’s flashlight and he couldnt see him well.
I dont have my fave suspect,before like 5years sgo i thought it could be Rick Marshall but wasnt him as well.
But i agree with you,we will never find out unfortunately.
This is fantastic. Thank you for all the hard work!
Forrest you are the gigachad of Zodiac research
Forrest, you are so thoughtful, detailed, engaging and thorough. I love it every time you upload, and I can’t wait for whatever you do next. Thank you for such brilliant and fascinating content!! We appreciate your hard work.
Forrest, you are so thoughtful, detailed, engaging and thorough. I love it every time you upload, and I can’t wait for whatever you do next. Thank you for such brilliant and fascinating content!!
Great job. I couldn't wait for part 6. Ok,what's next? I'm hooked on your channel.
I just received this notification which proves how slow UA-cam can be..I have enjoyed your video series on the Zodiac and you have certainly given me something new to think about as to who the Zodiac could have been..Thank you
At this point, it’s the only thing that makes sense to me after covering all accessible information numerous times.
This makes sense as to why there was so much seemingly conclusive evidence against Allen yet there was also evidence that proved he was not the only killer. The fingerprints were from another culprit.
Zodiac NEVER LEFT HIS FINGERPRINTS AT THE CRIME SCENE.
How you cannot understand that ?
And it makes no sense at all,guy wore gloves.
@ that’s not true one of the pieces of evidence that admonished Allen from the murder chess was the mismatch in fingerprints. Go google it dude, not my job to convince you ahah.
I’d like to make mention that I’ve heard in at least one other video that Leigh Allen visited a friend in Lake Tahoe. If I recall correctly it stated the friend owned a hotel. It’s quite possible the friend worked at a hotel and could be Lawrence Kane. Something to research if you haven’t already. This is one of the best set of videos I’ve seen yet regarding the zodiac killer. Your work is very thorough, I’m quite impressed. I hope to see more videos on this subject from you in the future. Also, you should do a D.B. Cooper video at some point. Thank you for your insight, it’s very compelling!!!
I really enjoyed the whole serie. Thank you. Such a great job investigating.
YYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!!! Cant wait to watch this after work!!! Thanks for creating this series, Forest!!!
Your theory is sound. After watching the essay on Kane, I was as convinced it was him but couldn't write off Allen. I didn't think for a moment they'd be working in concert, but here we are.
Great work Forrest - thanks for this excellent series.
Kane was a petty criminal apprehended many times, hardly the traits of the Zodiac
@@theycantallbezodiac
Too many coincidences to overlook.
One was the mastermind, the other was a follower.
@@raynus1160 there are many coincidences with several persons of interest. I'm open minded to the two person theory but there's actually no evidence for this and certainly no evidence for Kane
@@theycantallbezodiac you should do more reading on Kane. His criminal history shows that he was perfectly capable of orchestrating and skirting prosecution for legally complex white collar crimes. He was only apprehended for the unimportant stuff.
@@louishardiman2467 I've done lots of research on Kane
So the two killers and best suspects wouldn't be Arthur and Don?
Don had a widow's peak, he was barrel chested, he was intelligent, he seemingly had a motive (if the allegations are true) against ALA.
What proof do we have that Arthur said he would call himself the zodiac and kill couples at random? The word of Don Cheney? Seriously?
And remember, according to Don, Arthur not only had a fingerprint of his but Don also licked the stamps.
Don also went to school with Paul Avery and had a relative with the last name "Paradice "
Don Cheney is 6’4, if not bigger. The tallest estimated height of the zodiac killer was 6’0. Usually the consensus was the killer was around 5’8-5’9
You’ve made a very interesting thought provoking series. Thank you for that. I’d like to see you make a series on the Jonbenet Ramsey case. I wouldn’t expect you to necessarily ‘solve’ it, but your thoughts on it would be very interesting.
was a great series, and a very interesting conclusion. thank you for uploading
Im sad this series is at an end... Great Job. Very entertaining
This was so fascinating and informative! Well done Forrest!
I’m happy you enjoyed it 🙏
You did an outstanding job with this! No doubt you spent a lot of time putting this together with all the research you did. I have to say that part 6 is my favorite of the series and I don't think I can dispute much of your conclusion of what happened.
So many crazy details to tie together with these events. Just a side point, I can't help but notice how many faces L. Kane seems to have. It seems like every photo of him looks different. It also baffles me how two strangers can meet like that, have the same level of crazy, and be able to trust each other like that....but I don't have much doubt that it happened that way.
Always looking forward to your next one, Forrest !
An enjoyable and informative series! Thank you!
Yes! Forrest is back. Zodiac is forever fascinating.
Thanks.
Myth. Hal Snook wrote the letters.
Great work on this series Forrest 🎉
Wow! Great job on the series. Best I've seen.
Wow, fantastic analysis. Great work!
Liking and Commenting because these Zodiac vids are SO good. All your stuff is good. But I could watch your investigative Zodiac vids forever lol.
Great video and series! Thank you.
very impressed. Thank you for doing this
Forrest is so thorough. 😮
Another great video brother from the imperial county ca 🇺🇲
Be careful Calif, Very unsafe bad place these day because of Newscume.
Great series Forrest.
love from the Netherlands.
Thank you and love back at the Netherlands!🇳🇱
I recommend "In the Shadow of Mt. Diablo" by Mike Rodelli. Rodelli makes a compelling case that the Zodiac was one of San Francisco's wealthiest citizens.
This is an amazing example of true detective and research work. This is how it’s done.
Whew! That's a sht ton of detail and information. Thank you for all the research Forrest. Very interesting.
Sad that Allen was released from prison after molesting children
To me this makes the most sense, as far as the facts and information we have currently.
I'm very impressed with your dedication to the videos you do, sir. I liked your Kane video elsewhere. Especially the part about him being in reality and only they received the picture of the Sierra club photo. But you have to go back to the rh initials on the desk at Riverside. He gave up his name. Can anyone trace records of all who attended that community college way back then? Is it true the WANTED sketch of Zodiac isn't really him? I mean, they upgraded that impression to the older looking truck driver dude that nobody ever talks about. What if all known suspects so far aren't the killer and he's an entirely different person nobody has hit base on?
Brilliant, thanks Forrest. 👍
I believe it ! It had to be two ! And most likely these two ! Everybody who has a suspect of one person is wrong ! That’s why no one person is 100% the zodiac ! Good work !
Good to see, hear you. Hope you had a great summer vacation.
Amazing documentary
This is starting out pretty good I like it so far! I'ma 35 yr zodiac follower and I can't hate on his picks tbh ... I'm still stumped but I know what type he was i think
Ha... ironic timing... my lunch time last reply on twttr an hour was about your island documentary.... i posted a reply of it an hour before you put this up. small world. cheers. good work.
Thank you so much Forrest!!!
bro solved the zodiac
No. Horan did. This was all a myth. It all goes back to Hal Snook.
@@MikeyMike-fb5hx I like myths. Let's do it.
Somebody had to. Amirite?
@@MikeyMike-fb5hxhoran is full of shit
Excellent series!!! Thank you for all the work you put into your channel. I agree that it was these two suspects, and what stuck out to me is the markings on the Lake Berryessa car. The first 2 dates are in numerical format, but the 3rd date uses text and numbers with the time and method. I think it was intentional and signifies Allen was the killer on the first 2 dates, while a different killer (Kane) did the Lake Berryessa stabbings. I also think Allen's interview refencing a chicken (coward), was meant as a sick insult to Brian Hartnell.
Thank you very much for your support 🙏. It will be used as gas for future videos.
Amazing Documentary 💯
These were great videos and I appreciate all the work that went into them. Both have been investigated to no end and there is zero proof either committed the acts, much less that they ever met and decided to team up. Sadly, the initial investigations weren't good enough and the Zodiac/s got away.
That's incorrect, Cheney wasn't investigated at the time
@@theycantallbezodiacI wasn't talking about Cheney.
@@joshie4330 who was you referring to?
I thought it was Gaikkowski for a while, but after watching the Netflix thing today and hearing the Seawater kids, I'm dead certain it was Arthur Leigh Allen.
Kane used the real Zodiac as cover to commit his own crimes. So in a way I guess they did work together. Great video series!
I also believe of this theory: 2 serial killers
It makes sense that the murders were not the work of one individual. The fact the investigations were bundled together from CJB to Stine as the work of one author made advancements impossible in this case. Namely because the killer's description kept shifting with the numerous witness accounts the police received. Especially in what relates to his weight and height. That's what happens when you're looking for a "one and the same" denominator, when in fact you should be looking at more than one suspect. The Lake Berryessa event screams Arthur Leigh Allen, provided he used a wig, and gives a hint about CJB not being his work. Stine on the other hand, does not seem to be ALA and more like Lawrence Kane. Whether they knew one another before the murders, or were the murders and ciphers a way of communicating/acknowledging one another, is a good question to explore.
I already commented on your previous videos. This is overall amazing job. I also believe that for sure there were more than one person behind the Zodiac (possibly two) and most probably one of them was ALA.
My only two questions to your video, and excuse me if I missed that part, is there a proof that Allen and Kane knew each other? Because to my knowledge there is not.
Also, I think I read that Lawrence Kane had a NY accent, which this has never been confirmed by one of the victims. Again correct me if I'm wrong in any of my two questions, neverthless you have done amazing job!
There is no proof they knew each other but there is proof they both knew Darlene Ferrin. According to Darlene Ferrin and Mike Mageau, they were both in the parking for the shooting. Darlene basically described Kane before she was shot and her family confirmed Kane knew her and stocked her. Mike Mageau quickly identified Allen as the gunman.
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Mike Mageau didnt identify ALA QUICKLY as the gunman.
He identified him 20years later .
Also,Mike COULD NOT HAVE SEEN THE GUNMAN ,he was sitting normally in his passenger seat with his face and sight pointed straight forward in the car.
Also ,when he looked right ,the Zodiac pointed his gun with a flashlight in his face and startet shooting.
So now you explain me ,how the h he saw the Zodiac’s face ?
We all know that a bullsh.
I'm here because of Netflix's This is The Zodiac Speaking 🤔
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I guarantee you the Zodiac Killer had a military background. Remember there were many military installations in the Bay Area at the time: Travis AFB, Mare Island Naval Shipyard, NAS Alameda, Naval Station Treasure Island, Hunters Point Naval Shipyard. The killer was either military or ex-military. Maybe he transferred to another base or was deployed to Vietnam and the killings stopped. That period was also the height of the Vietnam War.
That's not a fact
Cheney had some time at Travis AFB
Well made video as always.
I've studied the Zodiac case for many years now and this actually never crossed my mind ..i mean i thought over the years " maybe it was 2 people" but I never put ALA & LK together...you could be on to something here dude
You definitely cant get around ALA having the pipe bombs being very similiar to the bus bomb letter. I mean who the heck has bombs in their basement 1 of every 30million people or some crazy odds. I like your theory its interesting.
Congratulations. I was looking into the Zodiac case and mystery. I discarded all the letters to look into only the facts and evidence in all cases.
I concluded that there were two killers and that they had to have worked together.
I also concluded the two suspects in my own opinion were Arthur Leigh Allen and Lawrence Kane myself.
I also went by both composite drawings. There was a totally different composite of the Zodiac at the Lake Veresa murder. It looks like Arthur Leigh Allen and was given by other eyewitness accounts that were at the lake.
I think they both were looking for chance of opportunity and that Arthur was seen by the eyewitness and Kane was the one who did the killing.
Arthur was pulled over by a police officer that day and was questioned about the bloody knives.
I agree it had to be two killers and that one made the phone calls and the other wrote the letters.
Good theory and so far the most logical one until actual forensics evidence comes forward.
What was the first one I'd like to start from the beginning ? I just found your channel.
🫡 for your work / videos.
This makes more sense, Good work sir, This was great work, They got scared and stoped and lived there life as free men, Shame on these two losers, That Allen must have been very smart, Too bad you can’t find his education background being so far back,
I hope that someday you will do a video on Chester Clark Klingel, Jr.. I think he's a great suspect.
If anyone can track down the Zodiac it’s Forrest.
Netflix actually have a doc coming out on this end of October, 'this is the zodiac speaking ' the trailer really pushes Allen being the killer
It’s odd because Don Cheney looks exactly like the drawing
At least you aren't accusing your grandad on Tictok Forrest 😂
My grandpa is the mutha ff in zodiac!! 😂😂
why was there no cypher notebooks when warrant was served on Allen? did kane write the cyphers? what about tying this to riverside? why was no genealogy done on the dna evidnce? best documentary yet
Maybe he destroyed them.
Yeah but you’re assuming everything Cheney said was correct. It’s just his word. He could be trying to frame ALA. Was there anything Don said that matched information that wasn’t public record?
Don was full of shit, butbthen again so was the Zodiac. Don inserted himself into the case from the start
I've always liked Kane as a suspect. Need to get his dna and see if it matches the stamps on the letters
Do you know if Kanes palm print was ever tested against the zodiacs?
Two people, being the Zodiac, it makes a lot of sense to me.
The two killer idea is very interesting but I'm going to put this to you: Instead of Allen and Kane, how about Allen and Gaikowski? Both men attended the same psychiatric outpatient clinic, which was opposite a restaurant and library that a number of the victims frequented. Gaikowski was also interested in "The Most Dangerous Game" and Ferrin said to Mageau that she thought they were being followed by "Richard".
It is a possibility, but there wasn’t enough information tying Gaikowski to the crimes like Kane was. I’m certain Kane murdered Donna Lass.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301 I think that's almost certain.
@@forresthaggertychannel4301Darlene Ferrin's 2 sisters IDed Kane as well. Mageau initially gave Sgt. Ed Rust the " short, beefy with a belly" description, before he got opioided out and mentally gone.
Very good video accumulating facts. Personally I have the notion that Kane was zodiac. But the Berryessa knife murder was Allen operating as a zodiac wannabe. The cosplay aspect and use of knife was this persons attempt to contribute to ‘furthering’ the zodiac notoriety and become part of it. Such was the allure created by the media coverage of the Zodiac. Personally I doubt they worked together, but rather Kane liked that someone was trying to emulate him and didn’t wish to discourage it by negating it. That murder raised the zodiac profile in way that pleased Kane.
Thanks!
Thank You! 🙏
RIP Donna Lass. 2023 was a long time to wait for her family.
I'd say what a joke
It would be interesting if you could go way back in time and do a video on Bonnie and Clyde and where they were all shot up on that dirt road by officers in an ambush near Sailes, Bienville Parish, Louisiana. I did not know that they were only 23 and 25 years old.