@@Randomguyno69 you can but it's so cope, like Mika is unironically just better lmao. Qiqi E is still a single target heal only, with horrendous cooldown. Her Q will pretty much full heal your entire team, but that's the same case with Jean and Mika. Plus, she's still one of the 3 chars with barbruh and noelle that don't generate any particle, making her a huge burden for your team's energy requirements. At least barbruh redeems herself by being able to carry TTDS and cuz hydro is a good element. Noelle redeems herself by being a pretty decent DPS at c6 high invest and having chars and teams that work well with her. Qiqi is still unsalvageable for now... But yeah, you definitely could if you want. Won't be as good as other healers, But Qiqi is still a healer, so you can get more fanfare still.
You know the character is gonna be broken when zajeff tries to defuse the powercreep allegations and doesn't call unit just "decent" And my personal favorite line "x unit won't be an upgrade in every team", like being an upgrade to 80-90% of the teams isn't enough
@@biggestouf Eh, hyperbloom was never really broken, it is just the team with the highest floor in the game. Once you start investing more into your teams, hyperbloom starts falling off. I'm honestly more of a fan of quickbloom teams, at least those teams can benefit from vertical investment.
The healer's list is SO useful, especially with the asterisks and commentary. I may honestly build my Mika now to create some team diversity, since I've got a few other strong units from the list built already. Thank you for making this video!
I usually use healers like benny or XQ or Kuki because i dont really need much heals as dodging exist but I also have Jean Baizhu and Yaoyao as a strong heals. So um good to go i guess .
question if i use furina ult and my team has 50%hp then a use jean to heal will that instantly give me stacks? also using a character with a lower max hp an advantage? i mean you heal more quickly while still having your hp decreased in a fixed amount
@@IRIS03032 That's the idea. That's why characters that can teamwide heal your entire team from 50% to 100% HP are ideal and why Baizhu/Jean/Mika/Charlotte are being recommended the most. You will instantly gain 200 fanfare stacks with one button press. Also characters that have less HP would help Furina gain stacks easier, yes.
I just realized, if you go mono hydro with Noelle, you could give Noelle archaic Petra, and since there's so much hydro going around, you'll have endless hydro crystals coming your way, for a near 100% uptime on the 35% damage buff from archaic.
Yes, but Furina and Yelan will give you so much DMG% that it won't be optimal, that's why Marechaussee Hunter is still a better option because it gives you 36% Crit. Rate and the 10% damage to normal and charged attacks.
15% to NAs and CAs. But the 35% dmg% is for Yelan and Furina. Marechaussee will only give Noelle damage. If you just slap double HP on them, it's probably fine.@@slowcheetah7383
Mika is one of the healers that gained a lot from furina's addition. Also I find it funny that c4 Mika with r5 rightful reward (Fontaine craftable), is able to reduce his burst cost to 23...
Considering how suddenly Jean becomes relevant in meta discussions, I am pretty confident HYV cooking Ganyu's Mom to be a better Jean for Furina. Edit: Sorry guys, my prediction didn't come true. Cloud Retainer ended up being dedicated 5* plunge support all Xiao main had been demanding for years. It's a massive win for Xiao main, but I guess the rest of us are taking the L.
@@abyssmage6979 how is that common knowledge, there are credible leakers and there not so credible leakers and there are leakers which is a mix of both, your leak isn't a credible leak
As someone who's firsr healer was Jean, I'm glad she's meta again. Also, I'm not the biggest fan of Mika, but I think he's kinda cute, so its good to see him more too.
Editors did a great job at this. Going through a 3+ hr video to condense it to a little under 1.5hrs is a lot of work. Also I really liked the ER requirement visual demonstration and it's going to help so many people. If that's turned into a short, it'd be great.
@@allenzale342 to be fair, she isn't, on the same level as Venti or Sayu in that regard. It's just Kazuha and Sucrose are unbeatable in that department and makes everyone else looks bad. But you can VV on her skill very consistently.
zajef explanation of the whole ER mechanic is so good and can be use as a point reference for current and future characters, I feel like ER is a difficult part to understand to most casual players out and I cannot stress enough that ER is the one of the important stat other than the usual dmg crit stats.
I just wish her ER requirements were on the lower end, like nahidas which gives a huge buff but is only 40 cost. Although ofc since this is a bigger and teamwide buff I wish her cost was around 50. Another thing that I wish they did is give her particles on cast and throughout the rotation
She was always able to with xq and yelan But now that you can stack furina on top of that (Xingqiu can shred hydro so Kazuha is actually the throwaway slot)
Not sure if Kazuha is a throwaway slot, Xingqiu shreds 15%, whereas Kazuha does 40% with VV and i think he also provides upto 40% elemental dmg bonus based on EM, so it will depend on what is the break even point for Elemental dmg bonus since Furina can give upto 75% dmg bonus (if you can get all fanfare) and with Kazuha it will amount to 115%, as far as Hydro shred is considered, lots of abyss enemies have more than 70% elemental resistance so with kazuha and Xingqiu shred it will be 55% Max so even that is great Also i am not theory crafter so please if you know one confirm it with them, all of this is what i understand, so it can be different from reality.@@Hezkun
I've always been using her as an on-fielder since she came out in 2.1(or 2.2? I don't rmb) and she's honestly so underrated in that role, first as taser driver then in nilou teams as well. And I'm so happy Furina is gonna make her even better
@@asharma2247from the calcs that i saw. The dps is the same. As xq does a lot more dmg compared to kazuha, so even is kazuha gives dmg% and shred xq personal dmg equals things out
furina is so interesting in that she makes specifically team wide healers very good. and that's basically making mika of all characters, more viable. also jean. baizhu was already good but this is also nice. i never imagined i would build mika but I actually like him and hes good for my wrio furina freeze
I mean Baizhu has always been alright but this is making him, you know, actually good. Like he had been an alright option but now he's actually pretty competitive with her
@@thebrigade7684 it will be good to have team wide healers of more than one element. cloud retainer would be a bait for building jean, and then people benching her for retainer who's also anemo. baizhu being dendro is still good to have
@@user-vt5qg7hj1m The only problem I see with Baizhu is that he's going to force bloom reactions when used with Furina due to his dendro application which you don't always want in all teams. Furina's damage buff doesn't work on transformative reactions like bloom/hyperbloom/burgeon.
Prototype Amber Mona (not exactly new), but WITH 4 PC MAIDEN (That is new) I love it!! In general I like how Furina's introduction is opening the door to new teams, different types of teams, and opens the door to units that were long written off or were never really that good.
Note that leaks have suggested that C6 received a change post-beta so there is a possibility of additional changes. The livestream, for example, mentioned that Pneuma mode "Singer of Many Waters" heals nearby party members, rather than active party members. Might have been a typo but might also be a change we'll seen when the pre-load is live.
It warms my heart to know my Festering Desire will finally have its moment to shine. Up until now it's kind of just been my default if a character doesn't have a best in slot.
The L that Dori takes isn't from Hoyo, it's from TCers constantly forgetting that C6 Dori Onfielding exists. I understand if you don't like Dori, Nick, and you don't want to see her, so on fielding won't be an option for you, but the reality is there's a good to fair chance Thundering Dori is going to be great.
@@RuneKatashima Her beam is an absurdly consistent hyperbloom trigger when active and it's so much funnier when running a hyperbloom team in co-op. I wish it had better uptime, even if it was through cons
between a 4* sword from fishing the difference is not very big, at c2 the difference is 50k-60k+ damage, but a higher er, at c0 the difference will be less I think
The difference between Fleuve Cendre and Festering Desire is very small so you don't really miss out on anything. I'm a little surprised he didn't use Fleuve as a base instead of Festering because of it. It's completely unlike Albedo's situation; you don't need to feel like you're using something inferior if you're using Furina on Fleuve.
Amazing analysis as usual, but can we talk about how well you explained the ER requirements section? You explained the concepts very well and the demonstration was great to see visually, keep it up zajef and editors!
probably gonna shift her Geo goblet to a DEF one. i hope Furina works in my Noelle burgeon team, maybe she doesnt have enough hydro app, but whatever. but i am happy the characters i gravitate towards have natural synergies
The problem is that I dont think Furina is nearly enough to be a solo hydro for Yoimiya, and putting a second means no healer since she needs a shielder. I’m gonna try everything to make her work, but Hoyo really ruined her by giving no resistance to interruption AND purely single target damage. I’ve used her in every abyss since release and it’s pain how there isn’t single target sides anymore and very stagger-focused enemies. Here’s hoping though.
@@leiah6514 i have been thinking of running yoimiya furina bennett diona. diona healing is weak but combined with bennett it could be enough to match furina hp drain. she also provides a nice shield and some cryo application to help in case furina hydro app gets wiped, and she gives 200 em at c6
As someone who has mained Noelle since I got two copies of her on my first beginner banner 10 pull, I am super ready for Furina. Ever since your first impressions I was thinking she sounded like a perfect 4th slot and I've been saving my welkin moon and event primos for the past 2 months in the hopes of getting her C1
My girl Noelle being paired with Furina is quite interesting since they help each other a lot Furina having off-field hydro to enable crystallize for Noelle, and having that ult to buff Noelle As for Noelle, she heals everyone pretty well to further increase Furina's fanfare stacks
What I get from this vídeo is that furina is a must pull, why? Because she is an enabler makes a lot of other unit playable and enables more team comps. It is a great adition to every account.
i love nothing more than a unit that enables more units to be viable, i don't even care if they are meta i just don't want to feel like i am gimping myself for using them. variety is fun.
@@Quinton_ovo_ Yes but Noelle at least do some damage and have geo application (it is usefull on pseudo mono hydro with Petra Noelle), Qiqi are really just heal and not even apply too much cryo.
her hydro app is practically single target with AOE every 4 seconds from crabaletta you'll have enemies unfrozen in aoe and if it's for bosses then sure they can't be frozen anyways
Rip to all the people that wanted to main and on-field Furina while offsetting the healer requirement now needing her C6 (it used to be the C2) in order to do so.
@@user-vt5qg7hj1m Sets: 1. TOM, mainly for freeze. 2. Ocean Hued Clam for teams that don't care for TOM's buff. 3. Gilded Dream for Nilou Bloom (EM,EM,EM) for more bloom damage. 4. Flowers of Paradise Lost for Nilou Bloom. (HP, EM, EM) for more healing. 5. Maiden's beloved soon for Furina. Weapons: 1. TTDS, mainly for freeze. 2. Sacrificial Fragments for Nilou Bloom. 3. Prototype Amber for Furina soon.
@@yashtandon7460as a Kokomi main myself, you really don't need Maiden Beloved because: 1) it's similar to 2pc2pc healing 2) Kokomi already outheals furina even with just ToTM/Clam 3) Maiden's 4pc doesn't buff Kokomi's A4 4) OHC is decent sub-dps for any Kokomi driver team atm 5) Honestly yeah just do 2pc2pc if you want proto amber healing
Fun fact , Jean's burst will swirl any element you get hit by and it will be applied on the enemy itself , so C0 neuvilette can still reach 3 stacks with furina/jean , but needs a shielder, preferably Zhongli
Furina, Eula, Mika, Raiden. Bet. Edit: P.Amber R5 will give 72 stacks. No slouch :) I think Barbara was designed around the open world. Where she can permanently keep a party going and her constellation doesn't require her to be in combat since you just passively regen energy with no effort. Even just afk. This works in Abyss too if you just sit there without confirming the key. Diona might be more medium, as she doesn't have an upper limit on healing. She can easily proc Furina's passive and won't have Bennett's issues with the HP limit. Not very good, but medium maybe.
17:34 all of that to basically say . For alhaitham and cyno she'll be good For double hydro with yelan she'll be ok And any other scenario. Just use xingqiu
I thought Hoyoverse was incentivizing healers more than defensive utility and Furina seems to continue that since she might prefer a healer on her team until she gets higher constellations.
If recent leaks about Cloud Retainer's kit are true, Xiao + Faruzan + Furina + Cloud Retainer is gonna be busted. Just need to change Xiao's Anemo goblet for an Atk one so that the DMG% Bonus from Xiao and Furina's Bursts wouldn't be so excessive, just as Bennett's Atk buff would no longer be necessary, and finally, goodbye Circle Impact.
@@lratioyourmom5608 - Anemo support healer, catalyst - has off-field utility - heals on burst, heals while dealing damage - burst has a pretty large range and can swirl - gains stacks when allies' HP fluctuates, and consumes the stacks to reduce defense when attacking enemies - can use 4.3 artifact set that converts overheal into dmg buff
I hope that team variant is also good for Wanderer. Although i'm not sure if it's an improvement to the hypercarry variant with Bennett+Thoma. Need her numbers+multipliers to calc the comparison.
@@lratioyourmom5608 It's not yet confirmed, but many leakers are saying that she is a mix of team healer and Anemo Sub DPS. If this is true, her healing would be great with Furina and her damage would be great with Faruzan.
@@verzetta I can see it being very good with Wanderer too, but it would lack resistance to interruption. It would be uncomfortable but I think it would be viable
A small thing, but it's unfortunate her A1 doesn't work on herself, just for the sake of the overworld comfort a little teamwide healing gives. The healing variant of her skill is currently so unequivocally not worth using. Ah well! I'm hyped for her! So many characters get a new team thanks to her.
I hope Freeze Wrio with Sayu instead of Jean plus Shenhe works with her. I'm running this with Yelan atm, but I'm hoping Furina's buff will make this even better.
Hands up to your TC knowledge as always and I'm really excited for Furina. I'm planning on using her mainly with Neuvi but the other teams looks nice to use. Edit: also shout-out to your editors, chef's kiss just amazing editing.
Damn. Incredible work. Thank you, Mr. Zajef. I can only imagine how much time goes into these pre-release videos. Good luck with your Furina pulls, everyone.
13:12 Like here only talking about sub dps potential, I don't think its that straightforward like many people will think. From what I've seen in other cals and some calcs I ve done on my own, I am finding both of there personal dmg to be very similar when they both in same team or where one replaces another . And its only calcs we are talking about without taking account of human errors (or skill issues) which impacts furina much less than yelan. LIke her pets still do dmg even you switch characters, cast q, interrupted, not doing na's having your coffee in between etc etc with perma uptime. And this will be more visible in longer rotations where there is some gap time in between casting yelan's q.
Yeah, I have seen Jstern calc of monohydro team of kokomi yelan furina xinqui. She is doing more damage than yelan there where its like yelan's 23% of total team dps vs furina's 27%. But I am believing it will be similar in teams where you do procing good amount of yelan's breakthrough barbs. Obviously like you stated without factoring skill issues. Her damage as subdps is very good overall.
@@ta3648 Yeah its either slightly higher or lower but similar which makes me believe it will be on higher side most of time which is pretty good. Again this is without factoring her buff on other party members.
I'm really excited to try out a bunch of teams with Furina. Good luck to everyone pulling for her and good luck to your Golden Troupe/Marechausse rolls 🙏 As always, big thanks to Zajef and the editing team for these videos. Especially this feature length one. Y'all did an amazing job on this one.
About Xiao: being able to run without Bennett's circle impact is a gigantic buff by itself in practice. Every character benefits from no longer needing Bennett, especially those that don't snapshot, and especially those whose kits have limited range.
If you use Jean as your healer in Xiao teams though, you're still stuck in her circle impact anyway. You'd have to use Mika or Charlotte which means losing Jean's buff if you have her c4. Unironically, Mika might be better than Charlotte here since his healing buff lasts 15 seconds while Charlotte's only lasts 4 seconds and Xiao's burst is draining him for quite a long time. Xiao's combos include an NA before his plunge so he can trigger Mika's healing so you could run him over Jean if you truly want to be free from circle impact.
I took a bit of a break from Genshin this patch (still doing events but not playing daily) due to being busy and even after reading her kit it never clicked with my that she works really well with Noelle.... IDK how... I'm a Noelle main. I don't even like Yelan yet pulled her entirely for more Noelle teams. I'm only 10 min in though so maybe I'm stupid. Imagining Noelle on Marechausée and Albedo on Golden Troupe instead of Husk a set literally made for the Def/Geo niche is really funny to me too
Yes she is a Noelle enabler, alongside a lot of another unconventional DPSs. Just making so Noelle can run MH with full stacks is huge, not to mention her own buffs.
Her C2 is a 6* con.. Stacking increase by 3.5 times and 140% hp is like having three goblet and she has high base HP also. You can basically go for ER hydro crit build and still will have solid 140% HP. At C2 her skill will have dmg bonus of 40(from her own passive) + 46.6 (goblet) + 70% ( from GT passive) + 100% (from burst at level10) + 28 (from A4) = 284% dmg bonus for skill. Without any weapon passive or team buff plus she will have 41500 HP with 140% hp from C2 including flower. Not including any HP% from sub stats or from hydro resonace or from weapon.
@@kindnepenthe Cryo is amazing for burgeon. Melt or freeze is all they trigger, and it removes burning. Wrio has slower cryo app, so you still get plenty of seeds for burgeon and enough to provide freeze. It’s a good team if you have the characters to try it, it’s a bit like thundering furry in how complicated the elemental gauge calcs were to get it to work.
honestly im happy zajef actually mentions sayu as an option msot people i see only talk about jean which makes sayu seem so much more inferior because they didn't even think she was worth mentioning
i swear anytime i here festering desire talked about it makes me sad because i was playing during that time but either took a small break or just ignored the event and never got it as a result of that. its actually a reocurring problem of mine,taking breaks at the worse times. overall tho good video and im hyped for furina
I wouldn't worry about it, you mainly use her for her buffs which don't scale with anything other than her burst level, all you're losing is some of her personal damage and fav is still great for team battery
@@rafael_lana not to be a naysayer but there was a sus leak just now that Furina's 2nd story quest was moved to ver. 4.7 due to Archon quest interlude (w/ Arlecchino weekly boss) + Cyno part 2 story quest being in 4.6, so it's possible OP could be waiting for Furina rerun until we're very close to Natlan release :(
@@Shinbunshii when it comes to history quests and banners from old characters more than 2 versions away, leaks are almost useless, people been saying Qiqi was gonna get her quest since before Fontaine. I wouldn't put too much attention on it yet.
Holy shit my Noelle mono geo AND Wanderer teams are getting buffed by Furina?? I thought I was only getting her for Neuvillette, but it seems she’ll be seeing a lot more use on my account than I expected
Wanderer isn't, zajef just doesn't use him correctly, wanderer faruzan c6 bennet and Yunjin/Venti/Jeanc4/Zhongli/Thoma/Layla/Yelan will always be unmatched
@@marcusvinicius917 I mean, I do have all those characters and my Wanderer is C1r1, so you’re probably right. Still might be fun to do some damage tests and have another team for him
When the constellation description started to pop up and move in to the distance like in a Star Wars movie it actually made me laugh 😂 you know no one is able to read everything anyways
jean meta
Didn’t know you watched these types of videos 😂
:O
Omg it's Mr.Toes, the number 1 Kequing Main in all of NA
I am happy I build Jean. Thanks for encouraging me to build her Tunto!!
You used to pray for times like these
nothing like a 1 hour and 20 minute furina vid to watch right before bed
best type of movie
ill make you not be able to sleep pongy
Couldn't be more true.
Asian gang
@@Vomfeeayoo
Not even 2 minutes in and he has completely descended into French, this is going to be fun
Yup and probably a quebec person since the accent he has is pretty obvious
And he is a friend of Zyox, they are from the same town.
@@Bipedalduck I'm not convinced Zyox is even from Earth.
now this is not normal cooking this is *GOURMET* .
the FurinaHype emotes add 10 years to my lifespan
Just asking will Qiqi finally be playable with furina ??
@@Randomguyno69 you can but it's so cope, like Mika is unironically just better lmao.
Qiqi E is still a single target heal only, with horrendous cooldown.
Her Q will pretty much full heal your entire team, but that's the same case with Jean and Mika.
Plus, she's still one of the 3 chars with barbruh and noelle that don't generate any particle,
making her a huge burden for your team's energy requirements.
At least barbruh redeems herself by being able to carry TTDS and cuz hydro is a good element.
Noelle redeems herself by being a pretty decent DPS at c6 high invest and having chars and teams that work well with her.
Qiqi is still unsalvageable for now...
But yeah, you definitely could if you want. Won't be as good as other healers,
But Qiqi is still a healer, so you can get more fanfare still.
@@Randomguyno69 as a driver probably, if you just cast E - meh
wheres ur pfp from? its so cute lol
This dude
nearly 4hours condensed into 1h 1/2 editors you did great as always
Oz, the personal editor for Fischl. Peers review haha.
You know the character is gonna be good when the pre-release is literally 1+ hr long
... or is it? **Vsauce theme kicks in**
@@Vocalizecommander"where are your primos?"
You know the character is gonna be broken when zajeff tries to defuse the powercreep allegations and doesn't call unit just "decent"
And my personal favorite line "x unit won't be an upgrade in every team", like being an upgrade to 80-90% of the teams isn't enough
@@musicaddict9058She needs to balance out the abomination called hyperbloom.
@@biggestouf Eh, hyperbloom was never really broken, it is just the team with the highest floor in the game.
Once you start investing more into your teams, hyperbloom starts falling off. I'm honestly more of a fan of quickbloom teams, at least those teams can benefit from vertical investment.
The healer's list is SO useful, especially with the asterisks and commentary. I may honestly build my Mika now to create some team diversity, since I've got a few other strong units from the list built already. Thank you for making this video!
I'm gonna do Eula Furina Raiden Mika :)
I usually use healers like benny or XQ or Kuki because i dont really need much heals as dodging exist but I also have Jean Baizhu and Yaoyao as a strong heals. So um good to go i guess .
question if i use furina ult and my team has 50%hp then a use jean to heal will that instantly give me stacks?
also using a character with a lower max hp an advantage? i mean you heal more quickly while still having your hp decreased in a fixed amount
@@IRIS03032 That's the idea. That's why characters that can teamwide heal your entire team from 50% to 100% HP are ideal and why Baizhu/Jean/Mika/Charlotte are being recommended the most. You will instantly gain 200 fanfare stacks with one button press. Also characters that have less HP would help Furina gain stacks easier, yes.
@@rirururu4697 ohhh thanks i also thought of that but i was just conflicted because its too good to be true wghaahga i can finally make use of jean
I just realized, if you go mono hydro with Noelle, you could give Noelle archaic Petra, and since there's so much hydro going around, you'll have endless hydro crystals coming your way, for a near 100% uptime on the 35% damage buff from archaic.
True
now I wanna build Noelle just to play this
Noelle also has no ICD on her infused NAs and CAs, so while that means nothing, it's funny
Yes, but Furina and Yelan will give you so much DMG% that it won't be optimal, that's why Marechaussee Hunter is still a better option because it gives you 36% Crit. Rate and the 10% damage to normal and charged attacks.
15% to NAs and CAs. But the 35% dmg% is for Yelan and Furina. Marechaussee will only give Noelle damage. If you just slap double HP on them, it's probably fine.@@slowcheetah7383
I am living for Zajef saying all the Fontaine terminology in perfect French
Mika is one of the healers that gained a lot from furina's addition. Also I find it funny that c4 Mika with r5 rightful reward (Fontaine craftable), is able to reduce his burst cost to 23...
Considering how suddenly Jean becomes relevant in meta discussions, I am pretty confident HYV cooking Ganyu's Mom to be a better Jean for Furina.
Edit: Sorry guys, my prediction didn't come true. Cloud Retainer ended up being dedicated 5* plunge support all Xiao main had been demanding for years. It's a massive win for Xiao main, but I guess the rest of us are taking the L.
Leaks already say she's a teamwide anemo healer
@abyssmage6979 those are sus leaks not confirmed leaks,I wouldn't trust them
don't you mean Shanhe's mom?
@@banjoowo4001 i thought that is already common knowledge. Apparently it isn't.
@@abyssmage6979 how is that common knowledge, there are credible leakers and there not so credible leakers and there are leakers which is a mix of both, your leak isn't a credible leak
As someone who's firsr healer was Jean, I'm glad she's meta again. Also, I'm not the biggest fan of Mika, but I think he's kinda cute, so its good to see him more too.
Same
Well We're getting another anemo healer mommy aka cloud retainer
In fact, it will be more or less used until 4.4 and the release of Cloud Retainer
Wdym you are glad she is meta she is always meta when there is fatui to yeet
I literally cheesed the third chamber with her this abyss 3 times
As an unwilling C6 Mika haver I'm looking forward to get Charlotte so I can keep that useless blondie on the bench in my Ayaka freeze.
New sword/claymore/spear character releases
Chongyun: Prepare for trouble
Shenhe: Make it double
Me with c6 bennet: MWAHAHAHAHA
Her animations will be great for elemental infusion
Freeze DPS Bennett is going places.
@@kibasin7230Candace is waving 😅😅😅
@@tristanmanalo6252 honestly, C6 Bennett + Chongyun + Candace is a fun rainbow team
Editors did a great job at this. Going through a 3+ hr video to condense it to a little under 1.5hrs is a lot of work. Also I really liked the ER requirement visual demonstration and it's going to help so many people. If that's turned into a short, it'd be great.
A unit that makes old units better is amazing
I don't think using Jean is an obstacle, I love that new characters make other lesser characters more valuable (and Jean is soo pretty!)
Zajeff is famous for his dislike of Jean, which i dont get it either bc she is pretty good
@@rafael_lana
Id say the dislike is because while Jean is good at being a healer she's horrible at being an Anemo VV shredder
Crowd control. It's an obstacle in AoE
@@allenzale342 to be fair, she isn't, on the same level as Venti or Sayu in that regard. It's just Kazuha and Sucrose are unbeatable in that department and makes everyone else looks bad. But you can VV on her skill very consistently.
@@rafael_lana
It's mostly single target shredding, not only that but she throws small enemies around and makes big ones recoil enough to be bothersome
I see that the interactive world map shenanigans has also gotten to the editor
Nothing escapes the hands of the abyss (founder clothar)
😶👉
where?
@@walter1824 ua-cam.com/video/q-hB0PK32V0/v-deo.htmlsi=M219kG1CUDHe2iac
@@walter1824 0:22 literally the first minute
what i like the most about furina it's her capability to make every dps having the same set of artifacts and being pretty good with
zajef explanation of the whole ER mechanic is so good and can be use as a point reference for current and future characters, I feel like ER is a difficult part to understand to most casual players out and I cannot stress enough that ER is the one of the important stat other than the usual dmg crit stats.
I just wish her ER requirements were on the lower end, like nahidas which gives a huge buff but is only 40 cost. Although ofc since this is a bigger and teamwide buff I wish her cost was around 50.
Another thing that I wish they did is give her particles on cast and throughout the rotation
@@andreespina9747its been buffed its actually is 70 before
@@andreespina9747if she has lower er there's no balance
0% ER gamers doing 3 minutes rotation
@@Kellexyz but but 5mil screenshot 🥺🥺🥺
Thanks to Furina, I can envision Kokomi becoming the on-field dps she was supposed to be and make her signature weapon work.
She was always able to with xq and yelan
But now that you can stack furina on top of that (Xingqiu can shred hydro so Kazuha is actually the throwaway slot)
Not sure if Kazuha is a throwaway slot, Xingqiu shreds 15%, whereas Kazuha does 40% with VV and i think he also provides upto 40% elemental dmg bonus based on EM, so it will depend on what is the break even point for Elemental dmg bonus since Furina can give upto 75% dmg bonus (if you can get all fanfare) and with Kazuha it will amount to 115%, as far as Hydro shred is considered, lots of abyss enemies have more than 70% elemental resistance so with kazuha and Xingqiu shred it will be 55% Max so even that is great
Also i am not theory crafter so please if you know one confirm it with them, all of this is what i understand, so it can be different from reality.@@Hezkun
I've always been using her as an on-fielder since she came out in 2.1(or 2.2? I don't rmb) and she's honestly so underrated in that role, first as taser driver then in nilou teams as well. And I'm so happy Furina is gonna make her even better
@@asharma2247from the calcs that i saw. The dps is the same. As xq does a lot more dmg compared to kazuha, so even is kazuha gives dmg% and shred xq personal dmg equals things out
@@whitemoth4339 yep, and Xingqiu can be vertically invested a lot better than you can Kazuha for this team
"To reinvigorate some of the healers" I like this take, it's normal for Archons to change and invent new team comps. It's refreshing.
furina is so interesting in that she makes specifically team wide healers very good. and that's basically making mika of all characters, more viable. also jean. baizhu was already good but this is also nice. i never imagined i would build mika but I actually like him and hes good for my wrio furina freeze
I mean Baizhu has always been alright but this is making him, you know, actually good. Like he had been an alright option but now he's actually pretty competitive with her
Baizhu is gonna be a bait before cloud retainer in 4.4 it's STC if she's healer but there's a lot of sources as always
@@thebrigade7684 wait we'll get cloud retainer???
Eh either way getting Baizhu was a great choice I made that I do not regret AT ALL
@@thebrigade7684 it will be good to have team wide healers of more than one element. cloud retainer would be a bait for building jean, and then people benching her for retainer who's also anemo. baizhu being dendro is still good to have
@@user-vt5qg7hj1m The only problem I see with Baizhu is that he's going to force bloom reactions when used with Furina due to his dendro application which you don't always want in all teams. Furina's damage buff doesn't work on transformative reactions like bloom/hyperbloom/burgeon.
Zajef's closing comments really add a lot of context to whatever train of thought the developers had when they designed Furina.
Bro out here putting vids longer than archon quest
We're eating so good
We're eating so good
Another Zajoof vid that I'm gonna finish watching in a week 😂
Can’t believe Furina can save a set like Maiden
For one patch. We're getting a new set soon
@@el7284huh isn't her bis golden troupe?
@@Sakuta3220 yes, we're talking about something else
@@Sakuta3220 Maiden is to help weaker healers to heal more
@@Sakuta3220People dreamt that there was a new artifact set for version 4.3 that had a focus on healing
furina at the start animated like an unofficial interactive map image, amazing
Prototype Amber Mona (not exactly new), but WITH 4 PC MAIDEN (That is new)
I love it!! In general I like how Furina's introduction is opening the door to new teams, different types of teams, and opens the door to units that were long written off or were never really that good.
HOLYYY 1 hour and 17 mins of zajj cooking
Note that leaks have suggested that C6 received a change post-beta so there is a possibility of additional changes. The livestream, for example, mentioned that Pneuma mode "Singer of Many Waters" heals nearby party members, rather than active party members. Might have been a typo but might also be a change we'll seen when the pre-load is live.
It warms my heart to know my Festering Desire will finally have its moment to shine. Up until now it's kind of just been my default if a character doesn't have a best in slot.
When you started calculate energy for teams.... You gain my respect instantly and forever
He does that for like... every video
@@jsw973 maybe this is their first video of his
Really enjoyed the analysis. Thank you for the content as usual. Im glad jean is finding a new light.
Its nice how unutilized healers making a comeback with Furina 🥰
Noelle/Jean, even Mika.
Dori still taking the L tho 😅
Dori is Ok with Furina if you C6 Dori
If dori is taking the L hoyo took a massive fat steaming shit on qiqi
The L that Dori takes isn't from Hoyo, it's from TCers constantly forgetting that C6 Dori Onfielding exists. I understand if you don't like Dori, Nick, and you don't want to see her, so on fielding won't be an option for you, but the reality is there's a good to fair chance Thundering Dori is going to be great.
Dori is really good in co-op. You just have to enjoy being a healer/buffer. Cause she also gives loads of energy.
@@RuneKatashima Her beam is an absurdly consistent hyperbloom trigger when active and it's so much funnier when running a hyperbloom team in co-op. I wish it had better uptime, even if it was through cons
It sucks that her best 4* weapon is something that most players don't have
between a 4* sword from fishing the difference is not very big, at c2 the difference is 50k-60k+ damage, but a higher er, at c0 the difference will be less I think
It's not that big of a difference tbh.
The difference between Fleuve Cendre and Festering Desire is very small so you don't really miss out on anything. I'm a little surprised he didn't use Fleuve as a base instead of Festering because of it.
It's completely unlike Albedo's situation; you don't need to feel like you're using something inferior if you're using Furina on Fleuve.
it's big difference between them
@@felipepoffo do not let him to the stove ever again
Amazing analysis as usual, but can we talk about how well you explained the ER requirements section? You explained the concepts very well and the demonstration was great to see visually, keep it up zajef and editors!
As someone who loves Yoimiya and Noelle, this makes me quite happy
Been tryna build noelle and recently regretting all the DEF pieces i tossed
probably gonna shift her Geo goblet to a DEF one. i hope Furina works in my Noelle burgeon team, maybe she doesnt have enough hydro app, but whatever. but i am happy the characters i gravitate towards have natural synergies
The problem is that I dont think Furina is nearly enough to be a solo hydro for Yoimiya, and putting a second means no healer since she needs a shielder. I’m gonna try everything to make her work, but Hoyo really ruined her by giving no resistance to interruption AND purely single target damage. I’ve used her in every abyss since release and it’s pain how there isn’t single target sides anymore and very stagger-focused enemies. Here’s hoping though.
@@legion_sqd i think noelle still prefers a geo% goblet, but def% is only barely behind, so use whichever one has better substats
@@leiah6514 i have been thinking of running yoimiya furina bennett diona. diona healing is weak but combined with bennett it could be enough to match furina hp drain. she also provides a nice shield and some cryo application to help in case furina hydro app gets wiped, and she gives 200 em at c6
As someone who has mained Noelle since I got two copies of her on my first beginner banner 10 pull, I am super ready for Furina. Ever since your first impressions I was thinking she sounded like a perfect 4th slot and I've been saving my welkin moon and event primos for the past 2 months in the hopes of getting her C1
Im happy to see hoyoverse expanding the ways to play and making new teams viable instead of just raising the power level of the same teams
its actually interesting how furina is bringing a new meta (furina + healer) just fit that pair into any team and they receive dmg buffs
We just got a frickin healer tier list Because of furina lolll, love the 1h analysis..
My girl Noelle being paired with Furina is quite interesting since they help each other a lot
Furina having off-field hydro to enable crystallize for Noelle, and having that ult to buff Noelle
As for Noelle, she heals everyone pretty well to further increase Furina's fanfare stacks
What I get from this vídeo is that furina is a must pull, why? Because she is an enabler makes a lot of other unit playable and enables more team comps.
It is a great adition to every account.
i love nothing more than a unit that enables more units to be viable, i don't even care if they are meta i just don't want to feel like i am gimping myself for using them. variety is fun.
As much as I am excited for my upcoming Furina, it's just so sad that Qiqi never got into the healer conversation once again. 😔.
What am I gonna do with my C8 Qiqi then??
Qiqi would be fantastic for a freeze team with Furina, but unfortunately she just doesn't have the energy generation to be useful.
@@gluesniffingdudeto be fair, Noelle doesn't have generation too but lots of people are talking about her 😅 you could force a DPS Qiqi if needed
@@Quinton_ovo_ Yes but Noelle at least do some damage and have geo application (it is usefull on pseudo mono hydro with Petra Noelle), Qiqi are really just heal and not even apply too much cryo.
just use her.. why do u need validation??
The fact that I can use Furina in a freeze Ayaka with Shenhe and Jean makes me very happy :) Wednesday morning can't come any sooner
her hydro app is practically single target with AOE every 4 seconds from crabaletta you'll have enemies unfrozen in aoe and if it's for bosses then sure they can't be frozen anyways
Who would've imagined Furina would make Jean and Mika good, Dori and Sayu usable and Noelle powercreep Itto 💀
no because actually what the fuck I never would’ve thought this would happen in a million years
now we just need a character that makes xinyan good
Noelle the next geo archon
so excited for the rise of healers!
Noelle was already debatably better than Itto
@@shrimpchris6580not as a main dps she wasn’t what are you on about 😂😂😂😂. Everyone knew she had more utility but not a better dps character
Rip to all the people that wanted to main and on-field Furina while offsetting the healer requirement now needing her C6 (it used to be the C2) in order to do so.
How convenient that cloud retainer might be a VV anemo healer
there's a new set coming out alongside her that turns overhealing into buffs so she might not necessarily want vv
Depending on how good the new healing set will be, she might not even want VV
Me (A Kokomi main) getting ready to farm a 5th dedicated set (Maiden's beloved) and a 3rd dedicated weapon (Prototype Amber) for Kokomi.
What other weapons(and sets) did you have her on before? And why???
@@user-vt5qg7hj1m
Sets:
1. TOM, mainly for freeze.
2. Ocean Hued Clam for teams that don't care for TOM's buff.
3. Gilded Dream for Nilou Bloom (EM,EM,EM) for more bloom damage.
4. Flowers of Paradise Lost for Nilou Bloom. (HP, EM, EM) for more healing.
5. Maiden's beloved soon for Furina.
Weapons:
1. TTDS, mainly for freeze.
2. Sacrificial Fragments for Nilou Bloom.
3. Prototype Amber for Furina soon.
@@yashtandon7460as a Kokomi main myself, you really don't need Maiden Beloved because:
1) it's similar to 2pc2pc healing
2) Kokomi already outheals furina even with just ToTM/Clam
3) Maiden's 4pc doesn't buff Kokomi's A4
4) OHC is decent sub-dps for any Kokomi driver team atm
5) Honestly yeah just do 2pc2pc if you want proto amber healing
Fun fact , Jean's burst will swirl any element you get hit by and it will be applied on the enemy itself , so C0 neuvilette can still reach 3 stacks with furina/jean , but needs a shielder, preferably Zhongli
Funny how none of the archons necessarily want or need their respective elemental damage bonus goblet.
Furina, Eula, Mika, Raiden. Bet.
Edit: P.Amber R5 will give 72 stacks. No slouch :)
I think Barbara was designed around the open world. Where she can permanently keep a party going and her constellation doesn't require her to be in combat since you just passively regen energy with no effort. Even just afk. This works in Abyss too if you just sit there without confirming the key.
Diona might be more medium, as she doesn't have an upper limit on healing. She can easily proc Furina's passive and won't have Bennett's issues with the HP limit. Not very good, but medium maybe.
17:34 all of that to basically say . For alhaitham and cyno she'll be good
For double hydro with yelan she'll be ok
And any other scenario. Just use xingqiu
Holy, Mika stocks going through the roof with Furina's release
I thought Hoyoverse was incentivizing healers more than defensive utility and Furina seems to continue that since she might prefer a healer on her team until she gets higher constellations.
It's to help sell 5 star healers since they can't really sell shield characters with Zhongli's existence
@@Ivy-jq6diThey absolutely can, even characters with a weaker shield. They just need to be more creative
If recent leaks about Cloud Retainer's kit are true, Xiao + Faruzan + Furina + Cloud Retainer is gonna be busted. Just need to change Xiao's Anemo goblet for an Atk one so that the DMG% Bonus from Xiao and Furina's Bursts wouldn't be so excessive, just as Bennett's Atk buff would no longer be necessary, and finally, goodbye Circle Impact.
what does cloud retainer do?
@@lratioyourmom5608
- Anemo support healer, catalyst
- has off-field utility
- heals on burst, heals while dealing damage
- burst has a pretty large range and can swirl
- gains stacks when allies' HP fluctuates, and consumes the stacks to reduce defense when attacking enemies
- can use 4.3 artifact set that converts overheal into dmg buff
I hope that team variant is also good for Wanderer. Although i'm not sure if it's an improvement to the hypercarry variant with Bennett+Thoma. Need her numbers+multipliers to calc the comparison.
@@lratioyourmom5608 It's not yet confirmed, but many leakers are saying that she is a mix of team healer and Anemo Sub DPS. If this is true, her healing would be great with Furina and her damage would be great with Faruzan.
@@verzetta I can see it being very good with Wanderer too, but it would lack resistance to interruption. It would be uncomfortable but I think it would be viable
A small thing, but it's unfortunate her A1 doesn't work on herself, just for the sake of the overworld comfort a little teamwide healing gives. The healing variant of her skill is currently so unequivocally not worth using. Ah well! I'm hyped for her! So many characters get a new team thanks to her.
I'll finally get to use my festering, thank the gods
My god, please, someone, make the Xiangling copypaste but with Favonius, I feel like I am about to become just as crazy
I hope Freeze Wrio with Sayu instead of Jean plus Shenhe works with her. I'm running this with Yelan atm, but I'm hoping Furina's buff will make this even better.
Hands up to your TC knowledge as always and I'm really excited for Furina. I'm planning on using her mainly with Neuvi but the other teams looks nice to use.
Edit: also shout-out to your editors, chef's kiss just amazing editing.
she will be insanely good with noelle, as a noelle main i can say that she is imortal
Damn. Incredible work. Thank you, Mr. Zajef. I can only imagine how much time goes into these pre-release videos.
Good luck with your Furina pulls, everyone.
13:12 Like here only talking about sub dps potential, I don't think its that straightforward like many people will think. From what I've seen in other cals and some calcs I ve done on my own, I am finding both of there personal dmg to be very similar when they both in same team or where one replaces another . And its only calcs we are talking about without taking account of human errors (or skill issues) which impacts furina much less than yelan.
LIke her pets still do dmg even you switch characters, cast q, interrupted, not doing na's having your coffee in between etc etc with perma uptime. And this will be more visible in longer rotations where there is some gap time in between casting yelan's q.
Yeah, I have seen Jstern calc of monohydro team of kokomi yelan furina xinqui. She is doing more damage than yelan there where its like yelan's 23% of total team dps vs furina's 27%. But I am believing it will be similar in teams where you do procing good amount of yelan's breakthrough barbs. Obviously like you stated without factoring skill issues. Her damage as subdps is very good overall.
@@ta3648 Yeah its either slightly higher or lower but similar which makes me believe it will be on higher side most of time which is pretty good. Again this is without factoring her buff on other party members.
Zajef, remember that her A1 has a translation error. She heals all party members, not one OK 👍
Is this information true?
@@Idk-nh7ko yep
I'm sorry what's A1?
@@isaacsam6291 Ascension passive 1
@@isaacsam6291Ascension 1 Passive Talent if I'm not wrong
Of course bro posted a full-length film.
I'm using dockland on her for my own personal amusement it just fits 😭 she seems like the type to use the anime sword lmao
Ok i can finally be salty about starting to play Genshin one week after the Festering event ended AND about never getting a single Mika...
I love your content dear Zajef
I'm really excited to try out a bunch of teams with Furina. Good luck to everyone pulling for her and good luck to your Golden Troupe/Marechausse rolls 🙏
As always, big thanks to Zajef and the editing team for these videos. Especially this feature length one. Y'all did an amazing job on this one.
Nothing like getting an archon 5 star to help my 4 star starter character more damage 🥰
my triple crowned mika is gettin MAD screentime here WOOOO
I thought ask zajef Yelan is long enough with 53 minutes but I guess I was proven wrong
Sat through the whole thing like it was nothing! Very informative and probably some of your best visuals yet in a prerelease. Keep up the great work!
About Xiao: being able to run without Bennett's circle impact is a gigantic buff by itself in practice.
Every character benefits from no longer needing Bennett, especially those that don't snapshot, and especially those whose kits have limited range.
If you use Jean as your healer in Xiao teams though, you're still stuck in her circle impact anyway. You'd have to use Mika or Charlotte which means losing Jean's buff if you have her c4. Unironically, Mika might be better than Charlotte here since his healing buff lasts 15 seconds while Charlotte's only lasts 4 seconds and Xiao's burst is draining him for quite a long time. Xiao's combos include an NA before his plunge so he can trigger Mika's healing so you could run him over Jean if you truly want to be free from circle impact.
absolutely fking love how zajeff pronounced those french names
I took a bit of a break from Genshin this patch (still doing events but not playing daily) due to being busy and even after reading her kit it never clicked with my that she works really well with Noelle.... IDK how... I'm a Noelle main. I don't even like Yelan yet pulled her entirely for more Noelle teams. I'm only 10 min in though so maybe I'm stupid. Imagining Noelle on Marechausée and Albedo on Golden Troupe instead of Husk a set literally made for the Def/Geo niche is really funny to me too
Yes she is a Noelle enabler, alongside a lot of another unconventional DPSs. Just making so Noelle can run MH with full stacks is huge, not to mention her own buffs.
Not an hydro archon but still the determination,pain she faces she is something beyond a human, focalor rip to save people.Love u furina
I'm super excited for 4.2. my Noelle is C6, using redhorn. 70% CR and 230% CD. and I'm intending to get Furina C2. I could not be happier
Her C2 is a 6* con.. Stacking increase by 3.5 times and 140% hp is like having three goblet and she has high base HP also.
You can basically go for ER hydro crit build and still will have solid 140% HP.
At C2 her skill will have dmg bonus of
40(from her own passive) + 46.6 (goblet) + 70% ( from GT passive) + 100% (from burst at level10) + 28 (from A4) = 284% dmg bonus for skill.
Without any weapon passive or team buff plus she will have 41500 HP with 140% hp from C2 including flower. Not including any HP% from sub stats or from hydro resonace or from weapon.
Baizhu-Thoma-Yelan-Wrioyhesley has been one of the most fun teams i found for myself recently, can't wait to try it with Furina!
You’re gonna need like 700% er on almost every character 😭
Same but using Xingqiu instead of Yelan. There's just something about rainbow team that are just fun, especially when dendro is involved.
no judgement but what is this comp bruh 😭 reaction chaos
just kind of a hyperfridge, isn't it? @@kindnepenthe
@@kindnepenthe Cryo is amazing for burgeon. Melt or freeze is all they trigger, and it removes burning. Wrio has slower cryo app, so you still get plenty of seeds for burgeon and enough to provide freeze. It’s a good team if you have the characters to try it, it’s a bit like thundering furry in how complicated the elemental gauge calcs were to get it to work.
honestly im happy zajef actually mentions sayu as an option msot people i see only talk about jean which makes sayu seem so much more inferior because they didn't even think she was worth mentioning
Babe wake up Zajoof just uploaded the Furina Pre-release
thanks for the vid. answered all of my questions I had in mind :)
FURINA HOLDING LOONA LIGHTSTICKS AT THE START YESSS
I love the thing at the beginning with her extending her arm like the dudes on the interactive map do
i swear anytime i here festering desire talked about it makes me sad because i was playing during that time but either took a small break or just ignored the event and never got it as a result of that. its actually a reocurring problem of mine,taking breaks at the worse times. overall tho good video and im hyped for furina
Same I always seem to take a break during the times they give us the best weapons and cons ,lol
I wouldn't worry about it, you mainly use her for her buffs which don't scale with anything other than her burst level, all you're losing is some of her personal damage and fav is still great for team battery
@@IDKbruh420 Or you use the new fishing sword from fontaine which is like 6% worse than Festering desire.
thank you thank you@@IDKbruh420
They've already reran limited event weapons in Honkai, so if we cope hard enough, they might as well do the same in Genshin...
I was waiting for this one ! Thanks for the vid man !
I am so excited to see what the editor did with the anti leak stuff
Wow the Star Wars c6 ICANT
You had me at braindead to play. I love yelan+yoimiya for its "empty head no thoughts" play that I can do on my phone at work.
An Hour and a half of Furina + Zajeff???? We're fed today bois and girls 🎉
If only I could understand English like yall😔
I have C1 Neuvillette and R5 Festering Desire... as well as 20 pulls, 0 pity, and a dream lol
Enjoyed the pre-release, thanks for all the work you do!
Good luck friend I believe in you
She will rerun soon anyway, don't stress too much about it. Archons rerun like crazy.
@@rafael_lana not to be a naysayer but there was a sus leak just now that Furina's 2nd story quest was moved to ver. 4.7 due to Archon quest interlude (w/ Arlecchino weekly boss) + Cyno part 2 story quest being in 4.6, so it's possible OP could be waiting for Furina rerun until we're very close to Natlan release :(
@@rafael_lana Yeah I'm not too stressed! Would still be nice to be able to get her though to continue my archon collection x)
@@Shinbunshii when it comes to history quests and banners from old characters more than 2 versions away, leaks are almost useless, people been saying Qiqi was gonna get her quest since before Fontaine. I wouldn't put too much attention on it yet.
Im sure that zajef is having fun, speaking so many french names
only answer is on field mono hydro kokomi btw, literally all i want furina for LOLOL
How could he forget about on-field Kokomi taser. If it works for mono hydro, just replace one of the hydro unit's with Fischl.
I guess mono hydro can be a real thing now with furina, kok and lasts are flex
Holy shit my Noelle mono geo AND Wanderer teams are getting buffed by Furina?? I thought I was only getting her for Neuvillette, but it seems she’ll be seeing a lot more use on my account than I expected
Wanderer isn't, zajef just doesn't use him correctly, wanderer faruzan c6 bennet and Yunjin/Venti/Jeanc4/Zhongli/Thoma/Layla/Yelan will always be unmatched
@@marcusvinicius917what are tou talking about
@@lafeechloe6998 furina isn't a buff for wanderer if you have the optimal team.
@@marcusvinicius917 I mean, I do have all those characters and my Wanderer is C1r1, so you’re probably right. Still might be fun to do some damage tests and have another team for him
When the constellation description started to pop up and move in to the distance like in a Star Wars movie it actually made me laugh 😂 you know no one is able to read everything anyways
The amount of Mika love in this video makes me so happy that I have him c6 for my Eula team.
Been waiting and it's finally here. Much love Zajeff