Seems like the F-22 is cherished, whereas the Tiffy is the ultimate bruiser, go get ‘em workhorse. I have so much admiration for the designers of the Typhoon airframe and the EJ200 - they are a match made in heaven. Tiffy forever!
I'm really looking forward to this one. A proper back to back between the typhoon & the F-22 from someone that's actually flown both will be really interesting.
I’m from Peterborough the old lanacaster pilots apparently back in the day practised low level flying by going under the electric pylons 😂 I drive by them still now out in the flat fens and to think those guys were taking lancasters under those cables is insane
My Grandma built lancasters at the AVRO factory in Manchester during ww2, I think the factory was at chadderton. Proud grandson here. I'm from Ely, not too far from you :)
@ nice I was working in witchford before Christmas on those new just off the main road into Ely Both my kids were registered in Ely as well we couldn’t do it in Peterborough as they were born in addenbrookes small world 😂
@ I’ll stand corrected if I’m wrong but I think the dam busters raid was practiced at Sutton bridge flying under their pylons that’s only 30 mins away from Peterborough. The other side to you though I think they’re in Lincolnshire
seems like such an awesome dude. seen him a couple times in the Mach loop now calling for low level in that distinct American accent throws you off a bit as we have usaf base not to far as well so you expect an F35 or F15 through and then through pops a typhoon.
Being from Norwich originally and serving over a decade at Marham on Tornado... I can honestly say, the civilians on the ground between Norwich and P'boro, probably thiught it was witchcraft 😂... They're still coming to terms with cars as newfangled horseless carriages 😉
This is a most enticing teaser indeed! Can't wait until the whole thing goes up! p.s. performance take-off = rotate and keep rotating, you won't stall it? That is quite something!
@@kevin-l7r7p Publicly the F-22 has a listed thrust to weight ratio of 1.25. The whole thing about flat nozzles producing less thrust over conventional round nozzles come from a publicly released finding that Sukhoi did with an Flanker. However despite this Pratt&Witney and Lockheed engineers managed to get over the loss in thrust. While it is true that the F-22 could have had more thrust with conventional round nozzles, the loss in thrust for the F-22 with its F-119 engines is nowhere near as much as the loss Sukhoi experienced with their early flat nozzle experiments. That and the flat triangular shape of the F-22 as other benefits such as better rearward stealth and reduced IR signature.
The raptor in my view is the envy of every airforce what an absolute beast of a fighter. The typhoon suits the needs of the raf just fine the uk isn’t trying to achieve total air dominance. We need reliable jets that are cheap to maintain the performance of that thing supersedes its cost. It can bomb, intercept and dogfight. The only thing we don’t use it for is launching it off carriers.
It's fair to want to know and he was very polite by choosing something to say in which he can be complimentary. In another sense we should very much want to know what we could improve. We know there are aircraft out there that are better in one aspect or another and should be learning from it IMO, rather than tying our egos into the thing.
It has more to do with it being so fast and being super maneuverable, such that any input you make down low can get you in trouble real quick if you aren't super aware and always staying ahead of the jet.
Your comment reminds me of some of Sharky Ward’s stories about Falkland Island missions that he did solo and at night. One of them involved flying way out off of west Falkland to the full range of the sea harrier. With no wing man, if he had had to eject, the chances of even finding his remains would’ve been nil. The poms are hardcore.
Whaaat? No time below 500' in a fast jet until the Typhoon exchange tour? Is this a regular thing for US Air Force pilots? We were regularly flying low levels at 200 feet (and crossing ridgelines lower than that), dodging birds, Cessnas, and hang-gliders at 500+ knots in Navy jet training . . . before we even received our wings. Hell, I even flew below sea level (Southern California - lots of military pilots will know where) at 500 knots while still a student. I'm not blowing my own horn here - there was nothing special about this and I assumed my Air Force brothers and sisters were doing the same thing. Hell, the old F-111 bubbas were doing some CRAZY stuff down low back in the day (at night, even in IMC with their terrain following radar - no thanks!). For the other Air Force fast-movers out there - is this guy's story representative of today's student experience? I'm not talking specifically about the Raptor community, but I would assume that you guys were flying low levels in the T-38 at least . . .
F-22s don't fight at 500'. The only reason you'd be flying low is to avoid radar. F-22s don't need to fly low for that. They're going to fight at 50-65k feet, where they get maximum range for their AAMs.
@@rogerbiggerstaff3293 I get it. But I'm surprised he didn't get more low-level time flying T-38s as a student. Presumably before he found out what jet he would fly operationally after winging. The Navy has (or at least did when I went through) a low-level syllabus for student jet aviators before they ever find out what fleet aircraft they will be assigned. So, future F-35C drivers would get low-level training the same as their Rhino and Growler counterparts, even if they don't get much low-level time after F-35 transition (which is doubtful - I'm guessing there are plenty of F-35Cs out there flying low-levels because it's still a relevant for a strike fighter and . . . a lot of fun!) I don't know that much about the Air Force jet training pipeline, but I assumed there are many similarities to the Navy's course - which is why I'm surprised to hear any Air Force fighter pilot stating that they had not flown at 500 knots below 500 feet until a Typhoon exchange tour. Because all Navy tactical jet pilots have done this on at least 5 low-level routes prior to getting their wings and finding out what gray jet they will transition to.
Not really. It just means they’re being flown differently. The F-22 is perfectly capable of standing on its tail right off the runway, it’s just more efficient to execute the standard unrestricted takeoff profile.
It probably is. Based on public figures the Eurofighter has a higher thrust-to-weight ratio and a more aerodynamically optimized shape, likely granting it the best acceleration and climb rate of any series production jet to date.
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Seems like the F-22 is cherished, whereas the Tiffy is the ultimate bruiser, go get ‘em workhorse. I have so much admiration for the designers of the Typhoon airframe and the EJ200 - they are a match made in heaven. Tiffy forever!
Tiffy lol.
He seems like a great guy
Typhoon is extremely capable and in the right hands and networked in…. Wildly good! 👍🏽
I would def have them in my perfect hi/lo dream mix.
I'm really looking forward to this one. A proper back to back between the typhoon & the F-22 from someone that's actually flown both will be really interesting.
Much kudos and respect Ammo Sir...👍
Love this dude
So good! Can't wait!
I’m from Peterborough the old lanacaster pilots apparently back in the day practised low level flying by going under the electric pylons 😂
I drive by them still now out in the flat fens and to think those guys were taking lancasters under those cables is insane
My Grandma built lancasters at the AVRO factory in Manchester during ww2, I think the factory was at chadderton. Proud grandson here. I'm from Ely, not too far from you :)
@ nice
I was working in witchford before Christmas on those new just off the main road into Ely
Both my kids were registered in Ely as well we couldn’t do it in Peterborough as they were born in addenbrookes small world 😂
@ I’ll stand corrected if I’m wrong but I think the dam busters raid was practiced at Sutton bridge flying under their pylons that’s only 30 mins away from Peterborough.
The other side to you though I think they’re in Lincolnshire
@@castnoshadow82lr48 yeah witchford just down road, yep it is a small world lol
Great seeing James . Ask him about his CAP adventures prior to the AF
The spire of Norwich Cathedral is over 300 feet. Good job he missed that 😂
seems like such an awesome dude. seen him a couple times in the Mach loop now calling for low level in that distinct American accent throws you off a bit as we have usaf base not to far as well so you expect an F35 or F15 through and then through pops a typhoon.
I wonder what he might have to say if he had experienced a Lightning scramble take-off?
Am I envious? Naaaaah, not at all... 😆
Being from Norwich originally and serving over a decade at Marham on Tornado... I can honestly say, the civilians on the ground between Norwich and P'boro, probably thiught it was witchcraft 😂... They're still coming to terms with cars as newfangled horseless carriages 😉
Oi!
This is a most enticing teaser indeed! Can't wait until the whole thing goes up!
p.s. performance take-off = rotate and keep rotating, you won't stall it? That is quite something!
does typhoon have more Thrust to weight ratio than the f22 in AB/(Reheat)
I believe it depends on altitude and how the performance of the respective engines change with altitude.
Ratio of 1:15 for the typhoon.
T/W for Typhoon is 1.25, F-22 is 1.18 to 1.37 depending on the nozzles been used, round nozzles get best performance, flat nozzles least
@@kevin-l7r7p
Publicly the F-22 has a listed thrust to weight ratio of 1.25.
The whole thing about flat nozzles producing less thrust over conventional round nozzles come from a publicly released finding that Sukhoi did with an Flanker. However despite this Pratt&Witney and Lockheed engineers managed to get over the loss in thrust. While it is true that the F-22 could have had more thrust with conventional round nozzles, the loss in thrust for the F-22 with its F-119 engines is nowhere near as much as the loss Sukhoi experienced with their early flat nozzle experiments. That and the flat triangular shape of the F-22 as other benefits such as better rearward stealth and reduced IR signature.
What is the cost differential of these aircraft?
The raptor in my view is the envy of every airforce what an absolute beast of a fighter.
The typhoon suits the needs of the raf just fine the uk isn’t trying to achieve total air dominance.
We need reliable jets that are cheap to maintain the performance of that thing supersedes its cost.
It can bomb, intercept and dogfight.
The only thing we don’t use it for is launching it off carriers.
former air cadet 16 - enjoyed this 63
He needs to get arse in a Buccaneer the lift their landing gear up so they can get lower 😂😂
I think that we should not be comparing the two. What we should be considering that they work well together...
It's fair to want to know and he was very polite by choosing something to say in which he can be complimentary. In another sense we should very much want to know what we could improve. We know there are aircraft out there that are better in one aspect or another and should be learning from it IMO, rather than tying our egos into the thing.
I suspect the reason for the raptor hard deck is that they are insanely expensive. No one wants a career ending mishap with that apex bird.
It has more to do with it being so fast and being super maneuverable, such that any input you make down low can get you in trouble real quick if you aren't super aware and always staying ahead of the jet.
I can’t tell you how I envy you. Congratulations.
@1:28 bad A___ pict
Low level.....a staple for British fast jet pilots👌
They don’t have enough money to have the trainer fly at the same time. Just kidding.
Your comment reminds me of some of Sharky Ward’s stories about Falkland Island missions that he did solo and at night. One of them involved flying way out off of west Falkland to the full range of the sea harrier. With no wing man, if he had had to eject, the chances of even finding his remains would’ve been nil. The poms are hardcore.
Whaaat? No time below 500' in a fast jet until the Typhoon exchange tour? Is this a regular thing for US Air Force pilots?
We were regularly flying low levels at 200 feet (and crossing ridgelines lower than that), dodging birds, Cessnas, and hang-gliders at 500+ knots in Navy jet training . . . before we even received our wings.
Hell, I even flew below sea level (Southern California - lots of military pilots will know where) at 500 knots while still a student.
I'm not blowing my own horn here - there was nothing special about this and I assumed my Air Force brothers and sisters were doing the same thing. Hell, the old F-111 bubbas were doing some CRAZY stuff down low back in the day (at night, even in IMC with their terrain following radar - no thanks!).
For the other Air Force fast-movers out there - is this guy's story representative of today's student experience? I'm not talking specifically about the Raptor community, but I would assume that you guys were flying low levels in the T-38 at least . . .
F-22s don't fight at 500'. The only reason you'd be flying low is to avoid radar. F-22s don't need to fly low for that. They're going to fight at 50-65k feet, where they get maximum range for their AAMs.
@@rogerbiggerstaff3293 I get it. But I'm surprised he didn't get more low-level time flying T-38s as a student. Presumably before he found out what jet he would fly operationally after winging.
The Navy has (or at least did when I went through) a low-level syllabus for student jet aviators before they ever find out what fleet aircraft they will be assigned. So, future F-35C drivers would get low-level training the same as their Rhino and Growler counterparts, even if they don't get much low-level time after F-35 transition (which is doubtful - I'm guessing there are plenty of F-35Cs out there flying low-levels because it's still a relevant for a strike fighter and . . . a lot of fun!)
I don't know that much about the Air Force jet training pipeline, but I assumed there are many similarities to the Navy's course - which is why I'm surprised to hear any Air Force fighter pilot stating that they had not flown at 500 knots below 500 feet until a Typhoon exchange tour. Because all Navy tactical jet pilots have done this on at least 5 low-level routes prior to getting their wings and finding out what gray jet they will transition to.
Well… you must be a very good pilot to be allowed to fly typhoon on your own… congrats
I did the math, and no the Typhoon can't hit M2.5. It maxes out between M1.8 and M2. The Germans demonstrated M1.5 in military power.
ROFL, when he says Norwich area, yes it's so flat.
*laughs in Hornet at 100’ AGL*
Wait till you fly over an Guard Herkie on the deck.
Laughs in buccaneer @20 feet.....😮😊
@@keithcarpenter5254 lift the gear drop to 10 feet ;)
@@keithcarpenter5254😂😂😂😂 true story.
So it mean that the Typhoon is a more dynamic aircraft with better acceleration than the Raptor?
Not really. It just means they’re being flown differently. The F-22 is perfectly capable of standing on its tail right off the runway, it’s just more efficient to execute the standard unrestricted takeoff profile.
It probably is. Based on public figures the Eurofighter has a higher thrust-to-weight ratio and a more aerodynamically optimized shape, likely granting it the best acceleration and climb rate of any series production jet to date.
So is the Typhoon more adept at standing on its tail over the EE Lightning?
@@ian08959 by a mile
@@RichelieuUnlimitedDesign Requirement was to climb high And Fast.