Without doubt, this is the most straight forward, no bullshit, fact filled auto channel on the 'tube. Thank you for all the work you put into making these videos Mr Car :)
completely agree, I hate the car videos that don't tell me anything on maintenance wise twin turbos are nice when its new not so much when you need to drop the engine xD or shit like that. even if you don't do your own work everyone should care how much labor goes into a car they are going to own
I love these videos, but, in my experience, majority of ppl are not mechanically minded and have little interest in watching and learning : they're more focused on the aesthetics, status symbol etc. They buy their desired vehicle , mechanical problems arise and its too late.
Picking up my 23 civic sport with the 2.0 L engine. Gonna be sticking with the reliable engine. Awesome video! Would like to see one about the 2.0 L engine!
I'm getting more and more convinced that I don't want one of these new small engine turbo cars. The benefits just aren't worth the extra complexity. That engine bay is just so tight
Yeah, same thought. I'm about to where... older the better! Keepin' my '91 truck, that's for sure. I used to have a '78 Ford pickup. I'd go to my mechanic, point at whatever was obviously broken or leaking, and say --See that? fix it. And that's all the diagnostic there was. Meanwhile the whole rest of the shop was full of newer cars hooked to the computer, and six hours later (all on the clock) half the time they still didn't know what was wrong with 'em. (My mechanic complained about it too.)
Very enjoyable walk-through video. I think I'll keep my '98 Civic. Compared to this model, mine's like a reliable old farm truck that I can fix if/when it breaks. I really like that about the 5 - 6th-gen Civics.
Interesting, what's wrong with the new Civic turbo engines? I know, VW for sure has issue with oil getting cooked, hot engine temps leading to deteriorating upper seals. Is the same expected from all new turbo engines?
@@robertficek7586 Nothing problematic as if yet, it’s just more stress on the engine so it’s given that something expensive is more likely to need repair before it would on the naturally aspirated engine
2020 1.5T Civic 5 door Sport hatch owner here. Honestly after 16k miles and HOURS of idling, I think both engines are good! I'm more worried about my poor CVT surviving the abuse of inner city Chicago grid traffic :/
This engine is very reliable, but damn this engine is HARD to work on. It doesn't look too intimidating at first... until I realize everything has no space to work on.
Plenty of 250k mile 1.5T 10th gens out there. Working on plugs and routine work has been easy. I’m at 100k miles. Only annoying thing is choice of refrigerant, space under the hood, working around all the extra electronic sensors.
All of those rubber hoses and clamps for the air "piping" seem like a recipe for disaster. I could definitely be wrong there but I'd be surprised if those clamps and tubes don't experience issues as the vehicle gets older. Good review! Curious to see how these things stand the test of time
They are **much better** than the plastic hoses, plastic lines and plastic snap fittings which other manufacturers use IMO. A rubber hose with a proper metal clamp is much more durable, at least you won't accidentally snap the plastic PCV line (ask me how I know, cough Nissan-Renault group)! :)
Informative video. Was considering 2022 SI but I'll keep my 13 year old 08 Mazda3 for a while longer. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.🥺
@@speedkar99 the heat from the exhaust is not negligible though. The turbine is heated up considerably by the exhaust gases. And that transfers to the intake charge.
Came here to say this. At 14.7 psi (1 atm) boost, intake air at 27°C would increase in temperature to 92°C without any heat transfer to the air, just from the compression. The hot turbo would increase that further but I think it's safe to say that most of the heating comes from the compression. This is why even supercharged engines without hot exhaust gasses near the compressor benefit from an intercooler.
When comparing that engine with my 2010 accord, I realize how they complicated everything, this civic engine is full of cables, hoses, etc. It's a shame that modern cars are made to last nothing, full of complications, and needless.
I think Honda finally understood they had to make these difficult to work on because of how good the older models were. Spacious and easy. Thus making you take them to a dealer to make them drain your wallets 🤑
I have 165,000 miles on my 2020 1.5 Civic. Never had any problems, I do all of my own maintainence and my car doesn't look nowhere as bad as this car in the video. This car has been street parked in the north east.
These mechanical reviews are a great stop on the way to the dealer, best use of twenty minutes of your time before you part with your hard-earned money. After seeing this, the Honda 1.5T is off my list, this car is going to be a money-maker for service departments all over.
This one looks scary maintenance wise. I've always had Civic's (from build year 1984 up to 2007), with various D, B and R series engines. They never let me down, and would love one with a K series engines but went for a Toyota Hybrid instead because of efficiency reasons. But this Civic looks so different than the older generations, I guess its a nice car to have under warranty or as a lease car.
well you make a nice point. But its not like german cars that for wvery little thing you need the special scanner to tell the ecu that you changed something out 😂. But ja its looks pretty complicated.
I agree. It seems much more complicated to reach down for certain things than older models. I have a 2010 civic, and a 2015 civic si. Both have much more 'clean' engine bays where it's much easier to see and swap components than the 10th and 11th generation cars. I always thought that all of the hoses made it look like a nightmare. For a well versed mechanic, this is probably nothing anyway, but I speak for all the DIY bois.
Love the work you doing but hate such cars. To replace alternator step1: remove entire vehicle . Step2 :install alternator step3: reinstall vehicle -reverse removal procedure.
Look like Honda has caught up to the Germans when it comes to making many parts out of plastic. OK, before jumping the gun. My experience is that Japanese plastics and rubber are way more durable than the European ones. Not sure why? I guess Japanese uses better quality plastics/rubber? Also, the engine bay is quite complex because of the turbo charged direct injection tech. A couple decades ago, you barely have 1/4 of the complexity on an econo-box car.
You don't have to completely remove the turbo to access the water pump bolts. That black inlet duct that feeds into the compressor side bolts off and gives you enough space. It's a good engine with good power, some things could've been designed better though.
Nice overview and nothing like discouraging a person from working on a Civic. Sadly, Honda packs in a lot of garbage parts while using Aluminum, Plastic, and some steel. For a mechanic, this is a nightmare for the removal of various parts as you are required to move other parts out of the way. Too many exposed wires and connectors, and some are badly placed, including hoses. The undercarriage panels are cheap and will allow for the collection of road debris, minerals, chemical contaminates, and winter road salt, trapping water and moisture in promoting rust acceleration. What is all that white powder stuff as you point to a lot of stuff? The roughly 6 to 8-month-old Civic is in need of a good cleaning. Honda is building Civic with cheapo parts and making it so you are not able to do repairs without having a mechanic repair shop garage of your own. Get into an accident and one airbag goes off, your Insurance company will deem it totaled. For the money, buy a classic car that you can work on and keep for the next 20 to 30 years. Honda made the Civic sophisticated and complex with hundreds of various thin-sized plastic stuff with easy-to-break parts. A One Dollar part will cost you $30 to $50. Shame on Honda for producing an unsafe automobile. Okay, they fixed the safety issue by installing 10 airbags providing they are not defective airbags or the triggering mechanism does not work. The one automotive manufacturer that is worst than Honda is KIA. The military uses the acronym KIA for Killed In Action. I had recently seen a KIA involved in an accident and it was not a pretty sight, not much left to the KIA or its engine compartment, a definite death trap, and KIA debris was everywhere. Never buy or drive a KIA unless you want to be buried. You might be safer in a YuGo!
Yeah, people buying brand new cars aren't people who work on their own cars. But we should probably avoid these when they are up for sale used in 10 years.
Honda timing chains look to be very reliable and maintenance free, meanwhile VW should switch back to timing belts, they were more reliable and cheaper to maintain
I have a couple of questions for you sir. Did you go to school for your automotive knowledge? If so, where did you go? My son is very interested in this field, and I would like to get him off to a good start.
@@speedkar99 Wondering if you get corrosion where the steel and aluminum are adjacent. I've seen that as a problem in other uses, learned to never leave aluminum near steel where it could get wet.
I can’t comprehend how someone even understands all of this. 😂 I really have zero interest in mechanics is probably why, but man this shit is so complex.
I firmly believe that this video was meant to sway us DIY mechanic viewers to NOT think about possibly considering to maybe looking at upgrading to newer (and very complex) autos.
What about Bluetooth? You missed it again. I don't think I could ever bring myself to get a Civic with an automatic transmission. I'm keeping my 2006 Civic manual on the road to the bitter end. Either its or mine. And my old Civic has aftermarket Bluetooth BTW. It's the only way I could get my teen kids to drive it. The kids are just a bit older than the car. The kids didn't come with oem Bluetooth either but did acquired it in the aftermarket.
@@speedkar99 Besides at the track -- or on the street, if you're a huge asshole -- it doesn't really help drive them either. Millions of commuters can't tell the difference!
Have you had any issues with the turbo engine? I recently just bought the 2022 EX. I don’t drive many miles; about 4000 a year. My last Civic EX was 20 years old and had 125,000 miles on it.
Came here as a potential (enthusiastic) buyer for this 11th gen civic. The complexity of the overall build and potential for failure (or very expensive labour in the shop) has me now looking at another car.
I mean, im sure its gonna be reliable...but man, I hope it is because what a pain to work on. Really sad considering its a tiny 1.5L....Honda really should ditch the idea of front exit exhaust, everyone else goes rear exit! That way you don't have to remove the downpipe and work under the car for everything. I feel for Honda techs.
Question on the 2.0L engine verse the 1.5L turbo charged engine. I have a general, overall distrust of turbo charged engines since going back years they seemed to have a number of problems in various car models, but Honda seems to be 'ok' with the turbo charged engines. Does the 2.0L without a turbocharge last longer than the 1.5L turbocharged or is the Honda turbocharged line just as good as a non turbo engine now a days?
Honestly, the 2.0 is going to last longer. Turbos ram more air into your engine, which in turn puts more strain on all engine components. That’s not to say that the 1.5 won’t be a reliable engine. I think they will do just fine. From what I’ve seen so far, you can put tons of miles on these puppies just as so many Honda owners have done in the past. Honda knows turbos!
Thanks for the great info. Knowledge is power. It's all but impossible to make educated decisions. For some of us anyway, without help like we find here. You wore the hell out of that tooth brush.
Damn, I was thinking of buying the 2.0L but even without the turbo it still looks tight. The Corolla engine in your other video looked more simple. Mazda 3 engine even more simple.
I was looking forward to seeing one of these new Civics! Thank you! But I'm surprised of how crusty/dirty it is... It's supposed to be a new car! It's like you traveled pretty well into the future in order to film it! 🙂 And that engine compartment it's incredibly cluttered... Jeez!
Why does Honda still refuse to use bolt on bearings for their front wheel hubs at 6:54? I know the previous generations of Civics had bolt on wheel hub/bearing assemblies in the rear if you had drum brakes (probably to make it simpler) but why don't we have this in the front by now? Toyota and Subaru have had it for years. Honda needs to wake up, they aren't winning against Toyota in terms of maintenance simplicity. If the Honda engine bay is already way more crammed than Toyota's corolla, they should have gone back to the two non-camber bolt mounts for the front struts and continue the knuckle socket pinch bolt design (subaru had it for ball joint and they always seize in the rust) and ditched the wheel bearing design for ones that are bolt-on. 1. The space between the side of the engine where the pulleys are located is more confined on the Honda than the Corolla. 2. The corolla has an electric water pump, the Honda civic still has a belt driven water pump, so that's one more thing that the belt has to be routed over when replacement comes time. 3. The alternator is in the back of the engine in the civic and requires you to remove the exhaust, for the Corolla, it's in the front. 4. Replacing the starter also requires removal of exhaust, in the corolla it has no obstruction 5. The front struts sit inside the knuckle with a pinch bolt. Go back to the 8th gen civic with the two non-camber pinch bolts. It is simpler! Unless the front shocks in these last twice as long. 6. Honda civic has an intermediate shaft bearing that can fail early (60k miles) although it isn't too difficult to replace. The only thing I see better is the Honda civic CVT looks more serviceable, but I would pick the toyota over the honda simply to avoid the wheel bearing style on the civic.
I have a manual gear 1.5 civic. Very happy so far, ( just 40.000 km on it). The power is amazing, and the fuel consumption very very low. I don´t know carbon build problems on this engine so far, yesterday I read that this engine doesn´t have EGR valve, maybe this is one of the reasons.. Can you confirm to me the absence of EGR on this engine?
dont talk about carbon buildup in DI cars with no port injection it will happen, but the companies that sell them send em to have govermental inspection and appeove as low gas /low emmision but soon you will end up use extra 50% to 100% gas because of Carbon buildup 😆😆
@@Techie1224 This engine is on the market since 2016, some of them with high milleage on it, and I´m not able to find carbon build up problems so far on internet, ( I´m I have been locking for them). With some other GDI engines you find problems with 30.000 km, but not with this .
Everyone in the comments is talking about the terrible workability/size of the engine bay but my 85 Honda Accord has probably 30 vacuum hoses running all over the place and all sorts of stuff, also making it super cluttered
You gotta be out of your mind to plunk down so much hard earned for all that critical componentry made from plastic is what I think. Valve covers, if the plastic ones don't warp or crack, are still heat sinks that dissipate. Now the radiator and cooling system have to be engineered precisely or it's game over.
You should review a Honda Clarity Plug-in Hybrid! It's made in Japan, so I would expect it to be reliable. Also the suspension is almost entirely made of aluminum.
What cars do Honda make that actually have a transmission that is not a CVT? Great review! I am sure this will be a car that Mechanics will hate to work on.
Woah, lot of _stuff_ in there for such a little bitty engine... only about twice the size of the engine in my riding mower! I'm reminded of my sister's '79 Honda hatchback... to replace the front shocks, you had to pull the engine (yes, really).
Well I learned more few components in modern cars. But I am more hunger to know about cars a to z so I mean make a video also interior hidden features it will be more interesting.😂😂✌
A lot sure has changed since the golden age of honda..think mid 90s. Back then you had a lot more aluminum used on the engine. More space and simple to work on and easy to access everything. Bulletproof reliability. Amazing manual gearboxes that were a joy to shift. Under the hood of this car is a far cry from what they used to be. Used to be a honda guy now I'm a toyota/lexus guy.
Couldn't agree more. The problem is people now who can afford to buy new cars don't keep them for 20+ years, and emissions and economy are at much higher standards, hence why cuts have to be made to accomodate.
@@speedkar99 yup exactly. I keep my cars minimum of 15 yrs. Maybe not the best fuel mileage as current models but keeping a car that long is better for the planet then having them hit the scrapyard and buying new every few years. Nowadays toyota/lexus is the only brand I would trust to take me 15+yrs.
I prefer the K24 for everyday driving and reliability over the F22, F23, and B16 in my 90's Hondas though. The timing chain alone makes it a better buy vs those timing belts. Plus in a crash, my 2012 and 2014 Honda's are much safer.
I remember when the Civic was well made, cheap, and ran forever. I don't think his one will. Although the prices aren't too bad: Price: The 2022 Honda Civic LX sedan starts at $21,900. The Civic Sport sedan, at $23,300, is only $1,400 more than the LX. The other two new Honda Civic sedans, the ones powered by the turbocharged 1.5-liter engine, are the EX and the Touring. They are priced at $24,900 and $28,500, respectively.
Ya have to get a CVT transmission unless you want to spend $27,500 American for their Si version. Too bad electric cars are still so expensive. I guess I'll keep maintaining my 1997 Saturn for now.
My 2000 Saturn SL2 (manual) ran for 160k miles, died in 2018. 2007 Saturn Vue (manual) had 156k on the clock before dying in 2021. Now driving a 2018 Saturn, which of course is better in every way, but the Saturns got me through age 21-34. And great MPG to boot.
Honda offers manual *Hatchbacks* with either 2.0L NA (port-injection only!!) or 1.5L Turbo (direct-injection only). Now, if you want a Sedan, you're right. The only way to get manual Sedan now is Si.
I test drove an accord with the 1.5T and cvt a couple years back. If you wernt in sport mode it was always laggy because the cvt kept the rpms low so there was always turbo lag. That and the low slung back 80s camaroesque seating position lead me to get 3 year old Accord v6 instead.
@@speedkar99 I don't want to be a jerk but EngineeringExplained is your biggest competitor. I still love your in depth stuff for the working mechanic though.
Without doubt, this is the most straight forward, no bullshit, fact filled auto channel on the 'tube.
Thank you for all the work you put into making these videos Mr Car :)
Thanks, that's my style! Glad you appreciate my work
It's like Project Farm. Great content.
completely agree, I hate the car videos that don't tell me anything on maintenance wise twin turbos are nice when its new not so much when you need to drop the engine xD or shit like that. even if you don't do your own work everyone should care how much labor goes into a car they are going to own
I love these videos, but, in my experience, majority of ppl are not mechanically minded and have little interest in watching and learning : they're more focused on the aesthetics, status symbol etc. They buy their desired vehicle , mechanical problems arise and its too late.
Picking up my 23 civic sport with the 2.0 L engine. Gonna be sticking with the reliable engine. Awesome video! Would like to see one about the 2.0 L engine!
Removing exhaust pipe to replace alternator? Did I hear that right? 😮
Yep. It's built in there pretty good
The transmission does not have a dipstick. That is the plug to fill from, to check the level there is a bolt on the front side of the unit.
Thanks you are right, I said it wrong. Any idea what that second fill plug is atop the transmission?
@@speedkar99 that plug with label is just to fill . There are three plugs for this cvt. Fill , check, and drain.
@@speedkar99 maybe you're referring to the vent? Those have a common issue clogging up and causing the fill plug to pop out.
Cool toothbrush, bro!
Thanks
I like this full review style video! It's a nice break from the single focus engine/component videos.
Thanks! More to come
I'm getting more and more convinced that I don't want one of these new small engine turbo cars. The benefits just aren't worth the extra complexity. That engine bay is just so tight
Agreed.
With 2.0 L no issues at all.
I'd say Civic has pretty decent space when compared to Honda Fit
Yeah, same thought. I'm about to where... older the better! Keepin' my '91 truck, that's for sure.
I used to have a '78 Ford pickup. I'd go to my mechanic, point at whatever was obviously broken or leaking, and say --See that? fix it. And that's all the diagnostic there was. Meanwhile the whole rest of the shop was full of newer cars hooked to the computer, and six hours later (all on the clock) half the time they still didn't know what was wrong with 'em. (My mechanic complained about it too.)
I agree put that small engine in a suv get like 20mpg vs my 1988 Lincoln town car I get 22mpg stock no modifications
I love this kind of review unlike those ones that only comparing legrooms and counting charging port and cup holders.
Yeah, I hate those reviews. They are more like ads than reviews.
Agreed! I'm try showing the parts where no one else does...and no customer looks before buying it
Nice that hondas cvts have been reliable unlike nissans. Goes to show cvts are not problematic, just nissans are junk.
Yes at least it can be made right... although still not the best thing to do
@@Dallas867 True Nissan have outstanding engines and the CVTs are better than the 2000-2010 decades CVTs.
This is EXACTLY the kind of review I wanted to see. No hype, just high quality data from an experienced mechanic. Thank you.
Very enjoyable walk-through video.
I think I'll keep my '98 Civic. Compared to this model, mine's like a reliable old farm truck that I can fix if/when it breaks. I really like that about the 5 - 6th-gen Civics.
Beautiful first cars if you want to learn about cars and working on them yourelf without fawking your vibe
Good cars. I liked when the civic was actually a compact car. This is midsized nown
I drove my 99 Civic for 300,000 km , sold it, and the person I sold it to is still driving it eight years later. Insanity.
I have the 2.0L Civic from the last gen and other than the AC condenser issue from the early models my car runs like a charm!
2L > 1.5T :)
That should outlast the turbo model
Interesting, what's wrong with the new Civic turbo engines? I know, VW for sure has issue with oil getting cooked, hot engine temps leading to deteriorating upper seals. Is the same expected from all new turbo engines?
@@robertficek7586 Nothing problematic as if yet, it’s just more stress on the engine so it’s given that something expensive is more likely to need repair before it would on the naturally aspirated engine
2020 1.5T Civic 5 door Sport hatch owner here. Honestly after 16k miles and HOURS of idling, I think both engines are good! I'm more worried about my poor CVT surviving the abuse of inner city Chicago grid traffic :/
This engine is very reliable, but damn this engine is HARD to work on. It doesn't look too intimidating at first... until I realize everything has no space to work on.
Not sure about reliable...time will tell
@@speedkar99 lol same thing I was thinking. The car just came out.
@@speedkar99 i meant the old 1.5T from 2017
Plenty of 250k mile 1.5T 10th gens out there. Working on plugs and routine work has been easy. I’m at 100k miles. Only annoying thing is choice of refrigerant, space under the hood, working around all the extra electronic sensors.
@@AJ-we9kd have replaced the turbo or radiator yet? those things are A PAIN. For me at least... And i agree that maintenance items are super easy.
All of those rubber hoses and clamps for the air "piping" seem like a recipe for disaster. I could definitely be wrong there but I'd be surprised if those clamps and tubes don't experience issues as the vehicle gets older.
Good review! Curious to see how these things stand the test of time
They are **much better** than the plastic hoses, plastic lines and plastic snap fittings which other manufacturers use IMO. A rubber hose with a proper metal clamp is much more durable, at least you won't accidentally snap the plastic PCV line (ask me how I know, cough Nissan-Renault group)! :)
Agreed. Honda is starting to follow the German brands. That is why I switched to Toyota.
@@MatrixDiscovery oh i guess you haven't seen newer toyotas then. Take a look on their new dynamic force engines.
Half the engine is plastic. this wont last long. no, thank you.
@@SKC56 I have the 2020 Camry 4 cylinder. Engine bay looks super easy to work on.
Informative video. Was considering 2022 SI but I'll keep my 13 year old 08 Mazda3 for a while longer. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't.🥺
Good choice. How's the rust?
This is a type of car review that people should watch before buying a car
Yes I'll try to keep up with more
At 01:08 ... The air is not so much heated by the exhaust gasses, but by compressing it. The same thing happens when you inflate a bicycle tire.
Thanks for the correction
@@speedkar99 the heat from the exhaust is not negligible though. The turbine is heated up considerably by the exhaust gases. And that transfers to the intake charge.
How much pressure we're talking about here?
@@antimon40 every 14.5 PSI of boost is roughly 1 atmosphere of air pressure. So 14.5 psi of boost is 2x background pressure.
Came here to say this. At 14.7 psi (1 atm) boost, intake air at 27°C would increase in temperature to 92°C without any heat transfer to the air, just from the compression. The hot turbo would increase that further but I think it's safe to say that most of the heating comes from the compression. This is why even supercharged engines without hot exhaust gasses near the compressor benefit from an intercooler.
so much plastic.. Looks like German product..
That's how all companies are going towards now a days unfortunately
small engine+ turbo+direct injection+CVT transmission = Shorter Lifespan
At least they still make the 2.0 non turbo model
When comparing that engine with my 2010 accord, I realize how they complicated everything, this civic engine is full of cables, hoses, etc. It's a shame that modern cars are made to last nothing, full of complications, and needless.
All in the name of economy and emissions
I think Honda finally understood they had to make these difficult to work on because of how good the older models were. Spacious and easy. Thus making you take them to a dealer to make them drain your wallets 🤑
Yeah not very Honda-like
I have 165,000 miles on my 2020 1.5 Civic. Never had any problems, I do all of my own maintainence and my car doesn't look nowhere as bad as this car in the video. This car has been street parked in the north east.
This car was fresh from the factory. It was a salty snowy day that's why it was dirty!
Wow. Talk about garbage. Most if this looks like an afterthought. Wires and hoses everywhere. Its like they forgot the block has accessories.
Yeah it can get confusing and more cumbersome to work on, but that's the complexity of having a turbocharged engine
not sure why you think it's garbage. the civic is one of the best small cars on the market
Nice breakdown, any updates on the 1.5L turbo oil dilution issue?
I think that was solved in 2018?
@@speedkar99 just a recall issuing an ecu remapping
I like this video and would love to see a mechanical review on the new Civic 2.0L please.😀
Another amazing walkthrough! Please do more of these on newer vehicles! Thanks!!
I sure will try keeping it up
These mechanical reviews are a great stop on the way to the dealer, best use of twenty minutes of your time before you part with your hard-earned money. After seeing this, the Honda 1.5T is off my list, this car is going to be a money-maker for service departments all over.
the engine bay looks so messy. Kia/Hyundai looks cleaner now. Not the old easy to work on Honda of the 90s. sad....
This one looks scary maintenance wise. I've always had Civic's (from build year 1984 up to 2007), with various D, B and R series engines. They never let me down, and would love one with a K series engines but went for a Toyota Hybrid instead because of efficiency reasons. But this Civic looks so different than the older generations, I guess its a nice car to have under warranty or as a lease car.
well you make a nice point. But its not like german cars that for wvery little thing you need the special scanner to tell the ecu that you changed something out 😂. But ja its looks pretty complicated.
well did i say it was complicated. I said it looks complicated learn how to read mister that way you won’t have too many misunderstandings.
But good try; trying to sound all smart and all.
I agree. It seems much more complicated to reach down for certain things than older models. I have a 2010 civic, and a 2015 civic si. Both have much more 'clean' engine bays where it's much easier to see and swap components than the 10th and 11th generation cars. I always thought that all of the hoses made it look like a nightmare. For a well versed mechanic, this is probably nothing anyway, but I speak for all the DIY bois.
Us honda boys shouldn’t fight amongst each other.Lets save it for the mustang and camaro guys.
How long does it usually take to get the toothbrush out of the engine again after you throw it? 😀
I've returned cars with toothbrush inside because I couldn't get it out. The next guy doing an oil change might find it down there somewhere
@@speedkar99 Next on Bring-a-Trailer: "Honda Civic with Speedkar99's brother toothbrush still somewhere inside the engine bay". Start your auction!
Love the work you doing but hate such cars. To replace alternator step1: remove entire vehicle . Step2 :install alternator step3: reinstall vehicle -reverse removal procedure.
That's pretty much the jist of it now unfortunately
Look like Honda has caught up to the Germans when it comes to making many parts out of plastic.
OK, before jumping the gun. My experience is that Japanese plastics and rubber are way more durable than the European ones. Not sure why? I guess Japanese uses better quality plastics/rubber?
Also, the engine bay is quite complex because of the turbo charged direct injection tech. A couple decades ago, you barely have 1/4 of the complexity on an econo-box car.
You don't have to completely remove the turbo to access the water pump bolts. That black inlet duct that feeds into the compressor side bolts off and gives you enough space. It's a good engine with good power, some things could've been designed better though.
For day to day driving the 2.0l is fine and if you dont care about trim level get the base model with the 6 speed
Agreed.
Nice overview and nothing like discouraging a person from working on a Civic. Sadly, Honda packs in a lot of garbage parts while using Aluminum, Plastic, and some steel. For a mechanic, this is a nightmare for the removal of various parts as you are required to move other parts out of the way. Too many exposed wires and connectors, and some are badly placed, including hoses. The undercarriage panels are cheap and will allow for the collection of road debris, minerals, chemical contaminates, and winter road salt, trapping water and moisture in promoting rust acceleration. What is all that white powder stuff as you point to a lot of stuff? The roughly 6 to 8-month-old Civic is in need of a good cleaning. Honda is building Civic with cheapo parts and making it so you are not able to do repairs without having a mechanic repair shop garage of your own. Get into an accident and one airbag goes off, your Insurance company will deem it totaled. For the money, buy a classic car that you can work on and keep for the next 20 to 30 years. Honda made the Civic sophisticated and complex with hundreds of various thin-sized plastic stuff with easy-to-break parts. A One Dollar part will cost you $30 to $50. Shame on Honda for producing an unsafe automobile. Okay, they fixed the safety issue by installing 10 airbags providing they are not defective airbags or the triggering mechanism does not work. The one automotive manufacturer that is worst than Honda is KIA. The military uses the acronym KIA for Killed In Action. I had recently seen a KIA involved in an accident and it was not a pretty sight, not much left to the KIA or its engine compartment, a definite death trap, and KIA debris was everywhere. Never buy or drive a KIA unless you want to be buried. You might be safer in a YuGo!
Can you please do more of these? Is been 4 months since the last mechanical review
Too hard to work on, I think I'll pass.
In the first 150k miles noting you’ll have to work on except fluids change.
Yeah, people buying brand new cars aren't people who work on their own cars. But we should probably avoid these when they are up for sale used in 10 years.
Depends the reliability of these...which is unproven
Aw man, this is giving me the same level of anxiety that the Bronco does with all its wires and hoses everywhere 😅
Bronco build quality is worse
Good to hear that they used timing chain instead of timing belt. Thank you for your very detailed overview of the mechanical aspect of the new civic.
Honda timing chains look to be very reliable and maintenance free, meanwhile VW should switch back to timing belts, they were more reliable and cheaper to maintain
That was the only positive takeaway from this.
I have a couple of questions for you sir. Did you go to school for your automotive knowledge? If so, where did you go? My son is very interested in this field, and I would like to get him off to a good start.
Would love to see an Accord 2.0T mechanical review. Easier said than done I know.
That’s one salty civic.
It will be rusty soon enough in Canada lmao
Keep in washed, get it rust proofed annually, and it will survive.
Yep. It was dark and snowing outside so I had to bring it inside to film. No chance to wash since it would freeze
@@speedkar99 Wondering if you get corrosion where the steel and aluminum are adjacent. I've seen that as a problem in other uses, learned to never leave aluminum near steel where it could get wet.
Favorite day of the week is mechanical review day 👌
Thanks. More to come. If I can get the weather to help
I can’t comprehend how someone even understands all of this. 😂 I really have zero interest in mechanics is probably why, but man this shit is so complex.
It's not hard if you understand how an engine works.
I firmly believe that this video was meant to sway us DIY mechanic viewers to NOT think about possibly considering to maybe looking at upgrading to newer (and very complex) autos.
Hah 🙂
What about Bluetooth? You missed it again. I don't think I could ever bring myself to get a Civic with an automatic transmission. I'm keeping my 2006 Civic manual on the road to the bitter end. Either its or mine. And my old Civic has aftermarket Bluetooth BTW. It's the only way I could get my teen kids to drive it. The kids are just a bit older than the car. The kids didn't come with oem Bluetooth either but did acquired it in the aftermarket.
Bluetooth throttle pedal and steering ! Luckily there's no Bluetooth brakes on this one
I miss the honda double wishbone front suspension.
It's been 20 years. Just sayin'.
I miss the small hachbacks, like the ef9, eg6, ek9, ep3
Unfortunately that doesn't help sell cars so why should they manufacturer that ..
@@speedkar99 Besides at the track -- or on the street, if you're a huge asshole -- it doesn't really help drive them either. Millions of commuters can't tell the difference!
@@fun_ghoul I think they can but its not enough to care.
We have a 2016 civic with the 1.5T. I can't believe how easy the maintenance is on it
Have you had any issues with the turbo engine? I recently just bought the 2022 EX. I don’t drive many miles; about 4000 a year. My last Civic EX was 20 years old and had 125,000 miles on it.
I love these mechanical reviews 🤩
No problem!!
Very unimpressed by what you get for your money.
Sadly. Cars are getting too expensive
Came here as a potential (enthusiastic) buyer for this 11th gen civic. The complexity of the overall build and potential for failure (or very expensive labour in the shop) has me now looking at another car.
I mean, im sure its gonna be reliable...but man, I hope it is because what a pain to work on. Really sad considering its a tiny 1.5L....Honda really should ditch the idea of front exit exhaust, everyone else goes rear exit! That way you don't have to remove the downpipe and work under the car for everything. I feel for Honda techs.
Question on the 2.0L engine verse the 1.5L turbo charged engine. I have a general, overall distrust of turbo charged engines since going back years they seemed to have a number of problems in various car models, but Honda seems to be 'ok' with the turbo charged engines. Does the 2.0L without a turbocharge last longer than the 1.5L turbocharged or is the Honda turbocharged line just as good as a non turbo engine now a days?
Honestly, the 2.0 is going to last longer. Turbos ram more air into your engine, which in turn puts more strain on all engine components. That’s not to say that the 1.5 won’t be a reliable engine. I think they will do just fine. From what I’ve seen so far, you can put tons of miles on these puppies just as so many Honda owners have done in the past. Honda knows turbos!
Thanks for the great info. Knowledge is power. It's all but impossible to make educated decisions. For some of us anyway, without help like we find here. You wore the hell out of that tooth brush.
Glad you appreciate my work thanks
I think I'm just gonna keep my 1999 Civic EX. This looks too difficult to work on.
Good luck with those flex pipe omg
Yeah 🤣
port injection to clean the back of the valves
Yep
Damn, I was thinking of buying the 2.0L but even without the turbo it still looks tight. The Corolla engine in your other video looked more simple. Mazda 3 engine even more simple.
I love my K20C2. Old school vtec and naturally aspirated. Beauty.
excellent video. Can you please make a similar video about the 2.0 L naturally aspirated engine of the 11 th gen honda civic LX/ EX?
it great engine. pull strong and fast while zipping fuel but when it break. labour on bill so catastrophic.
Is it fast? I've never driven it.
Awesome review (as always) - a plastic engine mount bracket...wow, OEs are loving plastic these days
I was looking forward to seeing one of these new Civics! Thank you!
But I'm surprised of how crusty/dirty it is... It's supposed to be a new car!
It's like you traveled pretty well into the future in order to film it! 🙂
And that engine compartment it's incredibly cluttered... Jeez!
You are welcome. It's road salt. It's snowing outside
I was going to ask the same thing. I thought wow, someone wrecked a brand new car. 🤭😏😁
It's been a while i haven't followed you,but good to be on track again with my mentor!I wish u well
I wasn't expecting a civic engine bay to be quite this cluttered.
Hope you get the new Ford Maverick to do a mechanical review on one day.
I'd like to see exactly where they cheaped out
I'd look forward for that too! Given the recent ford's I've reviewed I have low expectations
Your knowledge is amazing. Great streams and enjoying your posts from UK
Thanks from Canada
Why does Honda still refuse to use bolt on bearings for their front wheel hubs at 6:54? I know the previous generations of Civics had bolt on wheel hub/bearing assemblies in the rear if you had drum brakes (probably to make it simpler) but why don't we have this in the front by now? Toyota and Subaru have had it for years. Honda needs to wake up, they aren't winning against Toyota in terms of maintenance simplicity. If the Honda engine bay is already way more crammed than Toyota's corolla, they should have gone back to the two non-camber bolt mounts for the front struts and continue the knuckle socket pinch bolt design (subaru had it for ball joint and they always seize in the rust) and ditched the wheel bearing design for ones that are bolt-on.
1. The space between the side of the engine where the pulleys are located is more confined on the Honda than the Corolla.
2. The corolla has an electric water pump, the Honda civic still has a belt driven water pump, so that's one more thing that the belt has to be routed over when replacement comes time.
3. The alternator is in the back of the engine in the civic and requires you to remove the exhaust, for the Corolla, it's in the front.
4. Replacing the starter also requires removal of exhaust, in the corolla it has no obstruction
5. The front struts sit inside the knuckle with a pinch bolt. Go back to the 8th gen civic with the two non-camber pinch bolts. It is simpler! Unless the front shocks in these last twice as long.
6. Honda civic has an intermediate shaft bearing that can fail early (60k miles) although it isn't too difficult to replace.
The only thing I see better is the Honda civic CVT looks more serviceable, but I would pick the toyota over the honda simply to avoid the wheel bearing style on the civic.
I have a manual gear 1.5 civic. Very happy so far, ( just 40.000 km on it). The power is amazing, and the fuel consumption very very low. I don´t know carbon build problems on this engine so far, yesterday I read that this engine doesn´t have EGR valve, maybe this is one of the reasons.. Can you confirm to me the absence of EGR on this engine?
Didn't see one here
dont talk about carbon buildup in DI cars with no port injection it will happen, but the companies that sell them send em to have govermental inspection and appeove as low gas /low emmision but soon you will end up use extra 50% to 100% gas because of Carbon buildup 😆😆
@@Techie1224 This engine is on the market since 2016, some of them with high milleage on it, and I´m not able to find carbon build up problems so far on internet, ( I´m I have been locking for them). With some other GDI engines you find problems with 30.000 km, but not with this .
Everyone in the comments is talking about the terrible workability/size of the engine bay but my 85 Honda Accord has probably 30 vacuum hoses running all over the place and all sorts of stuff, also making it super cluttered
What is your opinion of reliability and maintenance costs after the warrenty period?
Why do you think this turbo concept was adapted by Honda?
You gotta be out of your mind to plunk down so much hard earned for all that critical componentry made from plastic is what I think. Valve covers, if the plastic ones don't warp or crack, are still heat sinks that dissipate. Now the radiator and cooling system have to be engineered precisely or it's game over.
Some will last but overall reliability probably not as good as the old K-series
@@speedkar99 Thanks for your observation. Very similar to what Scotty K. talks about with this version of the motor.
Got 2pcv system, another is manifold to before throttle body
Yes
I like when you do the crappy cars like VW and make fun of them. How about you do Teslas?
My friend had one in the 90’s. Felt like I was riding a skateboard. I like big cars. Guy had them to commute to work. They were very reliable.
You should review a Honda Clarity Plug-in Hybrid! It's made in Japan, so I would expect it to be reliable. Also the suspension is almost entirely made of aluminum.
I dig it a lot, but why wouldn't you wash a car before running it down like this?
Yeah Honda is turning into VW. It’s pretty much same design as the VW 2.0tsi engines
I'd say VW does a fee things a little more complex than this, including their use of fasteners
@@speedkar99 yep, the dreaded torx & security fasteners
Honda proving the world they forgot about building dependable cars
True story.
Compared to my 99Toyota 3S-FE engine that is a veritable rat's nest of plumbing and tech!
Yep the 3S engines were very simple
What cars do Honda make that actually have a transmission that is not a CVT? Great review! I am sure this will be a car that Mechanics will hate to work on.
Honda Civic has a manual
And all the larger vehicles have conventional 9 speed autos odyssey pilot Ridgeline passport
@@speedkar99 Great info! I thought they were following Nissans path transmission wise for awhile.
Woah, lot of _stuff_ in there for such a little bitty engine... only about twice the size of the engine in my riding mower!
I'm reminded of my sister's '79 Honda hatchback... to replace the front shocks, you had to pull the engine (yes, really).
But pulling the engine wouldn't nearly be as complex as this car..
@@speedkar99 True! in fact that '79 Honda was way simpler all around. For one thing, you could actually SEE the engine...
2022 model, what the hell happened to this one? it's so beat up
This one was well driven. In Canada we use salt on the roads. It was snowing outside hence why it was so dirty.
@@speedkar99 it made all the stamped steel look like aluminum 😂😂😂
Very informative video however it's going to be a lot of fun trying to get that toothbrush
Seriously? A plastic engine mount? That's going to be obnoxious a few years down the line.
Yes. It's meant to break in a collision to send the motor assembly below the firewall as opposed to right through it.
As a direct injection turbo civic would you expect this engine to have oil dilution issues?
I thought they fixed that issue
Horrible service access and design choices.
PS: Was that salt? Yuck, rustbelt!
Yep. December winter here in Toronto Canada
These engines suffer from oil dilution.
True or False?
They used to
Well I learned more few components in modern cars. But I am more hunger to know about cars a to z so I mean make a video also interior hidden features it will be more interesting.😂😂✌
This isn't an interior review, I don't want to be counting cupholders lol
A lot sure has changed since the golden age of honda..think mid 90s. Back then you had a lot more aluminum used on the engine. More space and simple to work on and easy to access everything. Bulletproof reliability. Amazing manual gearboxes that were a joy to shift. Under the hood of this car is a far cry from what they used to be. Used to be a honda guy now I'm a toyota/lexus guy.
Definitely...The 90's were the pinnacle of Honda, Toyota, Mazda etc....I feel sorry for the mechanics that have to work on these new cars
Couldn't agree more. The problem is people now who can afford to buy new cars don't keep them for 20+ years, and emissions and economy are at much higher standards, hence why cuts have to be made to accomodate.
@@speedkar99 yup exactly. I keep my cars minimum of 15 yrs. Maybe not the best fuel mileage as current models but keeping a car that long is better for the planet then having them hit the scrapyard and buying new every few years. Nowadays toyota/lexus is the only brand I would trust to take me 15+yrs.
I prefer the K24 for everyday driving and reliability over the F22, F23, and B16 in my 90's Hondas though. The timing chain alone makes it a better buy vs those timing belts. Plus in a crash, my 2012 and 2014 Honda's are much safer.
Nothing lasts forever but all car companies seem to make their cars that don't last long in recent years. What do they call it? Planned deprecation?
They are designing it for the customer. People who can afford new cars typically won't hold onto it for 10-20 years
Intercooler pipe near the catalytic converter 😂
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I remember when the Civic was well made, cheap, and ran forever. I don't think his one will. Although the prices aren't too bad: Price: The 2022 Honda Civic LX sedan starts at $21,900. The Civic Sport sedan, at $23,300, is only $1,400 more than the LX. The other two new Honda Civic sedans, the ones powered by the turbocharged 1.5-liter engine, are the EX and the Touring. They are priced at $24,900 and $28,500, respectively.
Don't forget the huge dealer markups.
hardpass. not maintenence friendly
For a Civic...yeah not as easy to work on
Looks like that car has got a lot of road salt on it.
It sure does. It was snowing outside
makes all the stamped steel look like aluminum
I don't like the looks of this. These Honda's are starting to look like Audi's !
I think audis are more complicated
Ya have to get a CVT transmission unless you want to spend $27,500 American for their Si version. Too bad electric cars are still so expensive. I guess I'll keep maintaining my 1997 Saturn for now.
My 2000 Saturn SL2 (manual) ran for 160k miles, died in 2018.
2007 Saturn Vue (manual) had 156k on the clock before dying in 2021.
Now driving a 2018 Saturn, which of course is better in every way, but the Saturns got me through age 21-34. And great MPG to boot.
Isn't there a manual hatchback version?
Honda offers manual *Hatchbacks* with either 2.0L NA (port-injection only!!) or 1.5L Turbo (direct-injection only). Now, if you want a Sedan, you're right.
The only way to get manual Sedan now is Si.
@@speedkar99 I totally missed the Civic hatchback on their website. You have to get the $24,000 Sport which has the 6-speed.
I test drove an accord with the 1.5T and cvt a couple years back. If you wernt in sport mode it was always laggy because the cvt kept the rpms low so there was always turbo lag. That and the low slung back 80s camaroesque seating position lead me to get 3 year old Accord v6 instead.
Good idea. Get them while you can. Camry V6 is out next...
Best geeky car mechanics channel out there. No bs just gets right into the important stuff.
That's my style! Hey what other geeky mechanics channels are there out there?
@@speedkar99 I don't want to be a jerk but EngineeringExplained is your biggest competitor.
I still love your in depth stuff for the working mechanic though.
This car looks filthy! When was the last time it got cleaned?
I don't trust dirty cars, if the car is dirty the driver is too!
Sorry, it's road salt. It was snowing outside
Seems like the cat is much harder to steal in this design.
As was older Civics since the 8th gen...
@@speedkar99 oh, I’m only familiar with Hondas lawn mowers.
Does it come with a laptop??
In the infotainment system? Lol
that would be sweet, i'm in the market for a laptop