ESPN’s Jeff Passan on Twitter Trolling’s Role in Angel Hernandez's Retirement | The Rich Eisen Show
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- ESPN MLB Insider Jeff Passan and Rich Eisen discuss the retirement of long-reviled MLB umpire Angel Hernandez.
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I’d sympathize with Angel Hernandez if he didn’t make 0 effort to improve at his job and had the audacity to sue MLB for discrimination rather than have an ounce of self-awareness and take responsibility for the countless games he ruined.
Yeah, there are more incompetent umps out there, but he stands out in terms of ego and lack of self-awareness.
This 100%. I get umping isn't easy. But instead of accepting responsibility and taking accountability, he let his ego win and decided to play the race card when race wasn't involved, which takes away from actual discrimination in the league. I'll never respect anyone who plays a victim card that doesn't exist.
@masonkretiv4136
Incorrect.
Umpiring is EASY. It is much easier to call a strike than to throw one. The problem is with the MLB. If they would define and enforce their standards, the umps would become a group of homogenized consistency..... Instead of being unique individuals who are known for their signature manner of calling balls and strikes.
"Calling strikes isn't easy." Bah ha ha ha. The managers can call it better from the dugout and the players can from perpendicular to the direction of the plate.... But the ump.... who's right behind the plate gets it wrong over and over? That's not a difficulty problem. That is a choice. The ump is CHOOSING to call it incorrectly, and MLB is CHOOSING to let them.
@@francus7227 Umpiring isn’t easy at all. But that obviously doesn’t excuse incompetent umpires. MLB transitioning to robots proves it’s a hard job.
@J-Roy
No, it doesn't. Seeing an ump call a game with 2 bad calls proves humans can do it. The bad umps are protected. That's the problem. They aren't hired, retained, and FIRED based on performance l.
Angel got 300k minimum salary / yr to be awful at his job. F HIM.
And the worst part is that he was only allowed to stay was because he tried some bs lawsuit accusing the MBL of discrimination. He used the fake he was of latin descent as a shield from repercussions.
If Dr. Seuss were alive, he'd commemorate a special edition of "Angel F...... Hernandez Will You Please Go Now!".
Eff that. He deserved 100% of it. He had many, many, many opportunities to make things right, fix things, etc. And literally every time, doubled down and never owned up. He made his bed, now he can sleep in it. If he can find it.
Pretty sure that's somewhere near home plate.
.....and Angel is on the floor 😂
The fact he sued kinda ruined any chance of sympathy. And he appealed lol double down angel strikes again. A court sed he was shite as an umpire lol
MLB had video evidence he was a CONSISTENTLY BAD umpire.. and he ENJOYED the negative notoriety of it. He LIKED being bad at his job. and the Union kept him from being canned.
I'm a union guy... but to keep this embarrassment in the league all these years was pathetic.
Being wrong is not the issue. Being arrogant in your errors is the issue.
Being wrong is also the issue lol
@@nighttray1489, being wrong happens. Some of the best catchers in the game make sure umpires are wrong. It is called framing. And it is a beautiful part of the game.
It's OK to care, buttttt it's also OK to call someone out that isn't doing their job. Especially when it can have a big effect and is so visible
Mutual agreement fueled by millions of dollars to walk away. The main thing that disturbed me about Hernandez and the others like him is the self-indulgent arrogance, their penchant for needlessly inserting themselves in the outcome of games and the inability to take criticism. it used to take a lot to get thrown out whereas today these guys are throwing people out because they thought they heard something.
Angel Hernandez's retirement came after a meeting with Michael Hill, the Senior Vice President of On-Field Operations had him questioning Hernandez's ability to see and comprehend correctly. Angel got so worked up that he stormed out and slammed the door behind himself. It took Angel 10 minutes to realize he was in the closet...His announcement of retirement came soon after.
😂😅
I read this before. I don't care if it's true or a joke. Love it!
People on Twitter who caused Hernandez to retire were truly doing the lord's work.
I agree with Jeff that on social media, only say the things you would actually say in real life. That being said...............I would absolutely tell Angel that he's bad at his job to his face
No you wouldn't. If you were walking past him in a hallway, you'd Nod and say nothing. 😂😂😂
@@georgealvarez1195 In fact, I don't think we would recognize him without the umpire uniform, try to remember what he looks like without the uniform, you can't
@@georgealvarez1195 just because you wouldn't 't say anything, doesn't mean others wouldn't. If given the opportunity, I'd get in his face and say it.
@@georgealvarez1195
There’s a hell of a difference between walking past someone in a hallway and saying nothing and not saying something while engaged in a conversation. If engaged in a conversation with Hernandez, yes, I would tell him my opinion on his performance or at the very least, ask him about particularly egregious calls and ask what in the hell was seeing. But to say that kind of thing while just passing by in a hallway would be a pretty dick move.
If I recognized Angel Hernandez on the street I would make New Yorkers seem nice lol. Dude needs to be accosted everywhere he goes since he would never own how terrible he was as an umpire.
How many games did he ruin? How many players’ careers did he damage? How many times did people have to suffer his total lack of self awareness, humility or empathy? That smugnorant look of not caring on his face after every bad call; he is deserving of shame because he has no shame.
His undoing wasn't the criticism, it was his arrogance in the face of undisputable evidence.
Bring Angel Hernandez back to ump the All-Star Game
"Get out. Please leave" is the perfect sentiment for this development.
the best meme was angel staring at a plane saying after retirement hes gonna be an inspector for boeing planes
to Hernandez, “don’t let the wall hit you on your way out”
He wouldn't be able to tell it would hit him
Is 'trolling" really the correct term here? When the criticism and meme's are 100% spot on, it isn't really a troll.
Jeff Passan is a treasure and we should protect him. He called it as he saw it. Can't hate that. Lol
I think the Angel Hernandez bobble figure should have a perfectly centered ball crossing the plate, but there should be the strikezone square that bobbles lol
Or he bobbles between calling a strike and pointing to first base (not supposed to do this for a walk, but it happens).
No, absolutely no when it comes to Angel. Yes, I'd outright tell him he's awful at his former job. He gets no sympathy from me. It's not even the ineptitude, it's the arrogance. Even Joe West had moments of humility. Angel never had a moment where he showed any humility or contrition on his poor performances.
Nice, we did it. People need to realize bullying isn't always based in hate. If someone bullies you it doesn't mean they hate you, it means they think you are weak and want you to improve a lot of times.
I'll be looking for a story to come out in about a year reporting that he was involved with gamblers for over 20 years.
I think Rich and Jeff both miss the point with Angel. He's not the worst MLB ump, at least not from a metrics perspective. Laz Diaz takes that title and he doesn't get 10% of the heat that Angel did. Angel was awful because he would make calls- bad calls- seemingly out of spite. He weaponized his authority as an ump. It seemed if he wanted to go home or out to dinner the strike zone would expand, if he didn't like something a pitcher did the zone would shrink, etc. And then he'd never take accountability. Let's not forget he tried to sue the MLB for not promoting him to playoff games. The reactions to Angel by players say it all- he wasn't just making bad calls, he was making bad calls in an intentional, vindictive and malicious way.
Get Angel on the show. That's the only solution.
If it was a couple bad calls over the course of his career, sure, we overreacted. However, I’d say the biggest rarity of his career was him making the right call at the right time.
i didn't know his name until recently. I don't know how good or bad he was way in the distant past, but in the last few years his game calls have been HORRIBLE. His retirement will be good for baseball.
He’s been bad for a long time, but either he got worse in the past few seasons, or channels like Jomboy have been highlighting his bad calls in particular and elevating the general level of awareness of his ineptitude which makes it seem like he’s gotten worse.
Jeff's right. I don't need to yell at this guy to his face. I do, however, need to ask him what he was seeing in some of those moments.
How about inviting him on? You've stated that you haven't met him before. A direct, honest, and respectful conversation would be captivating. Hell, maybe you'll end up on the same bowling team after.
I think it's right to reflect. It's easy to say these things when you have a radio show or something and even easier when you're some rando on X or Reddit. It's easy for fans to criticize not just how he does his job but say things about a guy we don't know. And I regret my role in saying things about him if he saw it, if his family saw it.
0:25 LOL
What was lisa right about?
It's Angel. Literally everyone would say it to his face.
It became clear, especially in the last few years, that Angel Hernandez was making bad calls on purpose so no one should feel bad for ridiculing him.
Agree with those who are saying he was a middle of the road ump with massive ego issues. The ump that apologized to a pitcher for missing an obvious strike should get a 5-year appointment to WS games.
Ángel Hernández was the Sideshow Bob of MLB. Show up, make a scene, fail miserably, and leave.
Angel Hernandez is as good of an umpire as Lionel Hutz was an attorney, which is astronomically bad.
Can we please stop with the false dilemma arguments? Both of these things can be (and are) true at the same time:
1. Twitter is a cesspool filled with people who just want to make others miserable.
2. Angel Hernandez was a bad umpire who should have lost his job a long time ago.
Outstanding comment.
He was the only umpire that took having to share the spotlight with the players personally
Twitter backlash didn't make him retire 😂😂😂😂
So what your saying is we made him go away I take that as a win
Rewarding failure….happens too often.
He is the reason they need electronic backup. NOT a full time system but a grading system that judges the Umps. If you do a bad job then get ready for a judgement.
Angel was MLB's "NEWMAN"
Imagine being so bad at your job that they pay you more just to leave.
Bottom line is that his mistakes just kept on coming and his incompetence at his job was showing itself over and over again. Well documented incompetence. Social media comments were the result of enough is enough.’
Shout out to Jeff & Rich for trying to balance out not being a terrible internet humans - but this ain't the one boys😂 Dude literally sued the league for discrimination, just to lose the suit because he objectively wasn't good enough at his job to get rewarded with more responsibility. He can take a hike; zero sympathy, zero regret for past comments.
Brockman is 100% right. When someone is continually bad at their job you shouldn’t feel bad for calling them out. Especially when your job is such a public one, don’t act shocked when the response is just as public.
Yes, I would say it to his face. Why would I be afraid of him?
Yes, I would say it. !!!!!
No one will miss him and everyone is glad he's gone. Now I know what other people feel like when I leave.
Why is no one talkimg about the actual issue here.
MLB was unable or unwilling to fire him
Union employee. He couldn’t be “fired” just like that. But make no mistake - what happened is a termination in his employment that wasn’t voluntary on his part. They had to pay him off to go away, but there’s no way he came to decide to do this at this time in this fashion without heavy pressure to do so.
Luv YEW Jet!!!!!!!
Jeff Passan using the word “our” like he knows what it’s like to try and throw, hit or judge a big league fastball.
Hendrix, Pink Floyd, RATM, and Radiohead behind him? Okay, he's in.
I am of mind that his series of egregious-even-for-him calls earlier in the season were a part of his ploy to negotiate a bigger severance package out of MLB.
"You wouldn't say the things you say online to his face." Bet? That could be his new career, charge for a Meet and Greet and you can tell him about all the games he's ruined and all the times your team lost because of a call he made. He'd be a multi-millionaire.
Thank you Twitter
The Twitter storm around Hernandez is Twitter at it's best. Don't apologize now!
Not going to lie, I would like to see a Angel Hernandez's bobble ball
It’s got to have a baseball way outside of him that he’s calling a strike
'Please, don't call me 'X'. My name is Twitter.'
Jeff's comment near the end about Angel being fine 90% of the time may be accurate. The problem is he was so, so bad the other 10% of the time and didn't seem to care.
90 percent is not good enough for ANY umpire, not just Angel Hernandez
The wild part is that Angel can’t even retire and start Umping little league. He was so bad that parents would troll the hell out of him. I would usually feel bad for people that try their best but that doesn’t people you should all incompetence. He stood in the way strictly because it had to much pride to admit he wasn’t cut out for the job.
Sadly, Angel Hernandez is watching all of the videos about in his basement:(
Rich Eisen has a conscious about Angel Hernandez but not Rafah?
When was that brought up? Genuinely asking.
You wouldn’t let a pilot who could nobly land a plane successfully 90% of the time keep his job.
MLB really needs to institute the minor league replay system for both the fans and umpires. It's long past due every single game is affected by obviously wrong ball/strike calls.
He’s is worse than terrible. Statistically he’s middle if the pack. He had a knack for making unjustifiable calls in high leverage moments and being an arrogant jerk.
If Angel Hernandez is middle of the pack, then MLB has an even bigger umpire problem than most think
@@michaelbaucom4019 check the stats. He just knows WHEN to cause a scene bc I think it’s a mental illness.
Angel Hernandez and other umpires being sponsored by Sam bankman freid and ftx is very fitting.
Nobody contributed more to Angel going away than Angel.
The only crime here is how many views streamers like Jomboy are going to lose because he's gone. He almost single handedly grew a group a streaming channels. He might have been on the take from them.
It never seems to occur to people that Hernandez was doing what he was doing on purpose, it was a power trip. As in I can call anything I want and if you have a problem with it, you’re out of the game.
Haven’t watched this yet but if he tries to imply in any way that AH was done wrongly or the fans caused anything then I’ll literally never listen to passan again
Listen, somebody will always be the least accurate ump. I can handle that. That wasn’t what turned people against Angel. It was how confrontational he was when he blew a call. If you see a call go against your favorite team, that sucks. When you see a call go against your team, the your favorite player get ejected, the manager get ejected, then a month later he is calling balls six inches off the plate as strikes because he still holds a grudge against your favorite player and thinks it’s his job to teach him a lesson…. Yeah. You might hate Angel Hernandez
Simple solution, automated balls and strikes. What is MLB waiting for? Especially in a time when sports gambling is becoming more prevalent by the day they should move to this asap to avoid accusations of umps having bets on the game.
All of you are wrong. 50% of MLB umps make horrible calls the whole game....
"He's a pitchers ump."
"He's a batters up."
He's been calling the outside pitch all night."
It isn't Angel's fault. It is MLB's fault. MLB makes zero effort to homogenize the umpires into a consistent group. As fans and players, too, it shouldn't be possible to notice a pattern in umpires. It is 100% MLB's fault. They have known about the inconsistencies behind the plate for decades with reasonable means to fix the problem but they have made zero effort to fix it. Finally, removing Angel should be considered a drop in the bucket. Not a move in the right direction.
Rich you are a good man. Yes you were mean, and humans should feel selfconscious when they criticise a human that they dont know. Especially because its easier to say mean things about people that you dont know. You guys joke that you have adopted some of the players as your sons. I joke to my dad, that you are my second father!
Shouldn't feel bad for someone terrible at his job leaving. He only kept his job for so long because of the union because he would have been justifiably fired for poor performance years ago!
You mean I contributed to him leaving baseball by getting on the "Angel Hernandez is awful" train on social media every time it left the station? You know what, then? You're welcome, baseball.
Yes, I would have told him to his face. It didn't faze him when Kyle and Bryce did it, so I doubt I'd have had an affect on him in person either. No, I don't feel like I'm a bad person for letting Angel know how god awful his calls were. But then, I'm from Philly. I know how to give constructive criticism. ;)
In the era before social media, Angel H. has a long and productive career. Doesn't make it right. Just sayin' that adults used to understand that you had to deal with disappointment. (which is to say, now you got rid of AH? Who is the next worst ump in the league? Social media will always complain.)
Lisa was right.
Yeah no.. im not going to feel bad for someone who chooses a career in the public eye and then suffers the consequences of being terrible at that job..
Arrogance was a large part of the AH problem.
Nobody roots for a referee. It's an ungrateful job. Having said that, if someone is consistently bad at it there has to be some kind of penalty. Like any other job.
I have nothing against Angle as a person. Everyone says he's a great guy. HOWEVER! As an Ump he is trash. Worthy of the criticism and mockery for his umpiring. But that is just based on his bad calls and inability to umpire our game. Nothing on him as a person, his background, or heritage.
Players should have just declined to play if he was umping. I know, they would be fined, but how long do you think MLB would allow games not to be played. They would loose so much money, they would have figured something out. Even if it was paying him to go away or being sued by him.
He was horrible at his job, he was a jerk and when he was called out for being horrible he played the race card. Good riddance.
Refs and Umps make mistakes in all sports. But when you inject your ego and arrogance into the situation like Angel did, ever call then goes under a microscope
The biggest problem with Angel, was Angel. The second biggest problem was the Umpire Union which allowed him to exist as such a crappy MLU, followed closely by MLB!
Honestly if Angel Hernandez decided to retire because of social media, good for social media in this case. For decades he made the game of baseball worse for the fans and the players. Glad he is gone. And I would say this to his face.
Sues for discrimination. Ignores his ethnicity is why he got the job in the first place.
We expect MLB umpires to be as good at umpiring as MLB players are at playing. That means, yes, we do expect every one of these umpires to be the best umpires on Earth.
If they are not, they should be treated the same way players are. They get sent down to the minors, and if they don’t improve then maybe they don’t get signed next year.
Players age out. They get old, and they can’t perform at the MLB level anymore. There’s no shame in that. Thats life. Umpires statistically get worse as they get older. Shocker! But they need to age out too. None of this umpire for life nonsense.
He is just terrible... and yes, if I seen him in public I would 100% tell him that to his face... I would not be super rude, but I'd thank him for retiring and tell him I think he is the worst to ever do it.
To the question of "Would I say all of the mean things I have said directly to Anger Hernandez's face?" Hell yes I would say it to his face, in fact I would go even further down the nasty and vulgar rabbit hole. If there's someone deserving of such vitriol, it's Angel Hernandez.
I think he chose to be really bad. He wanted attention and frankly if you're doing a good job as an umpire no one knows who you are. He's a narcissist and was playing a role that got him the attention he wanted. Negative attention is still attention and so he played into this character/villain act. No one is that bad in such a high profile career because they are actually that bad. He chose to be terrible but in this modern age with UA-cam and smart phones, he couldn't keep the act up any longer because of how viral his horrible behavior had become. A horrible call in 1994 is noticed by basically only the people at the game. A horrible call in 2024 is seen by the entire world in .003 second after the call takes place. Can't hide from it Angel. Good riddance.
Jeff Passan is clearly a nice guy but he is clearly a 2024 sports writer. Hernandez needs no sympathy or flowers, he was excretable.
It was the doubling down and lack of accountability that contributed.
He was terrible.
MLB should have regulation to the minors like premier league soccer. Move the worst two umps down and bring the best two up.
Nice try Jeff but MLB cares about Shohei and The Yankees and noone else. Definitely not the Guardians.
Took them long enough
So now we have to get rid of the 25+ umpires worse then him. and as an ex amateur baseball player. I would have no problem telling him he is horrible. Even if he had a weapon or homies. Doesnt change the fact how trash he was. He is the reason Mongo got ejected (1st base ump did the actual throwing)
Don’t feel bad about Angel because he was terrible at his job