I think he's insulting you in case the player actually beats Hades without the boons. Think of it. A person who has the choice to be blessed by gods only turns them down. Confident enough to take you down, viewing yourself as weak.
This man casually unzipped his pants and dropped bowling balls on top of what I thought were my amazing golf balls. Now all I have are golf discs and shame.
@@korrenthereaper4357 You can max out the tight deadline, approval process and underworld customs for 12 heat. What is the difference? It's still a boonless run
Yeah somehow I could tell this guy is literally the most godlike player of this game I have ever witnessed. I suck an unbelievable amount at this game and ended up losing to the stupid brimstone beam enemies (Not that I won't keep trying to get further). This Haelian could destroy them in a glance without taking damage he's probably both insanely experienced at this particular game AND talented because you need both to destroy this game THIS hard.
@Locke Dunnegan My first escape of the game involved using the plume all the way through lmao. Then Hermes gave me that auto-dodge boon in Tartarus. You don't have to learn boss patterns if you flip a coin every time they hit you
The dialogue I got was slightly different. Zag talked about how he's proven himself capable of doing what other people thought was impossible, over and over.
I love little details like this. Like someone in Twitch chat said they thought about people doing this sort of run, but it's also way more than that. They encouraged it by creating and buffing an item that boosts it, and they put irl resources into creating Dialogue (and voice acting) to reward it. That's pretty cool in a world where many others are trying to see how many cut corners they can get away with while still wringing you for every last penny they can.
@@mr.clevertrick8710 I mean, it's sitting there, he's been accumulating gold for the entire run because no boons, he's sooo close and it's taunting him... It's the kind of thing where you feel like you'd never be able to get it normally when it pops up there so it's like a victory over the game if you can buy it without intentionally farming for it. Wouldn't you want it too?
Me who hasn't gotten beyond Extreme Measures 2, seeing Hades' third phase: mom come pick me up, I'm scared I am constantly amazed and terrified by the skills of Hades streamers like him
me too, they’re crazy i beat 16 for the first time recently and was like “oh cool i must be at least in the midgame” then watched a video beginners guide and they said “this is for players new to the game, so we’ll focus on 0-20 heat duuuude
I've gotten to where I can easily do progressively harder Heats after beating each. I start out maxxing out Extreme Measures then the one that increases # of enemies on screen. After those, I've added Damage Control.
@@Nanaminanamin me too, i feel like i did so much already but i am still at gama warden level and a bunch of stuff left to buy for the house contractor lol
The question isn't if it screws with shackle, but rather if it would count against the dialogue. I was pretty certain chaos boons wouldn't work against the shackle, since they're just secondary boons. But I can absolutely see them destroying this dialogue for some reason, even though I think the game itself doesn't even count Chaos as an Olympian.
@@Haelian Arguing semantics with twitch chat or YT comments for challenge runs is the worst. Just not taking chaos would be the best choice then, I guess.
@@akitpe3091 I mean, he has every right to. Hades may be using legendary weapons and armor, but Zag is using that _and_ the help from Olympians and Chaos _and_ the help from Nyx (via Darkness) _and_ the keepsakes _and_ the companions _and_ the Titan's blood _and_ literally changing the layout of the place. He cheats a lot lol.
@@HunterTracks I would argue the mirror doesn't count as "help" honestly. Nyx gave it to him, but by his birth, Zag is tied to darkness, and made of it too I think? So really any strength he gets from the mirror is just him unlocking his own potential.
Practice makes perfect I guess, I've been milking the game the past 2 weeks now, still a long way I think from reaching the epilogue, anyways the trick is to find some good offerings to combine, there's a ton in this game depending on your playstyle I guess, though even after having 75 hours in the game I still get confused between hammer upgrades/boons/offerings lol, I would say that Dionysus's offerings are good with the poison build up or if u can work on getting the duo offering between Ares/Artemis that also deals a ton of damage. Work on upgrading the mirror of night talents to the max in case you haven't it will definitely aid you in beating the game with higher heat levels. Also if you're having issues with the bosses of each underworld then try and use the keepsake (forgot its name) that gives you a 5 hit invincibility for each underworld boss encounter if you max it out. Hope this helps.
Its all about practice and preference. Right know I have little to no trouble for Hades 2nd form (first form is a nightmare for me), but Elyseum trash mob are HORRIBLE
I found that the easiest, most reliable 1 heat run for me is to just use one stage of Calisthenics Program (only recently got my first clear, and the second was a 1 heat with that setup, been able to get to Styx/Hades pretty reliably that way tho). Not sure if it'd work for you(or if you're even still stuck in 1 heat), but hopefully you make/made the breakthrough!
@@nintendork9207 just play n you'll get better , took me about 80-90 runs to consistently win , most things take a 100 tries to get good at something n you master it arou 1k , allthough realisticly everyone is different and such precise estimation are obv false , but not entirely wrong either
Really? I below 5 heat could do this in second try. Game is easy, even Hades fight and the only thing that can stop me is summons... I can't Focus on Hades summons and bombs on the same time
@@tugsuumovies1999 The logic is that since it gives you more damage the more boons you have, you're still benefiting from boons for at least a few rooms before you sell them. Personally I'm neutral on the issue.
I just think that the point of this run is to get the dialogue, so as long as Chaos doesn't count towards that, I don't really care. I don't know if it counts though. If you truly want a no-boons run simply for the challenge, you could remove Chaos boons and Family Favorite, but it's an arbitrary restriction run. The rules are arbitrary by definition.
It's a lot of very specific trigger timing, maneuvering to back-stab as much as possible, and knowing which hammers help more than others... He's hitting the maximum damage boost from perfectly charging the Bow attack each time (it charges a little faster right after a dash, so he's also using dash-attacks each time), he's able to "Critical" (3x damage) 15% of the time due to putting 5 Titan's Blood into the Zagreus Aspect, and he's getting +100% damage from Shackle and dealing 2x damage from the Twin Shot hammer upgrade. He's just played so many times through the game that he knows how to get maximum potency out of a given build or set of boons/upgrades, and has the muscle memory and practice w/dashing behind enemies to make the most of each attack.
It's mainly the Sisyphus keepsake and the twin shot Daedalus upgrade that you're seeing. There's a few other elements, but mainly it's those two things. Those two items are giving him 400% base-damage on his Attack.
I feel like the shackles are a really decent starting run keepsake cause you can go in as if you have boons and then, once you get some key abilities, switch it out after the furies
The feather duster is perfect for early game survivabilty. I would use that then swtich to skellys tooth when I hit styx for that extra death defiance.
This^ back when we were too broke to afford a lot of defiance, and when we lost to the mobs before we even got to the boss. Those things that let you survive longer let you practice your timing longer. They are pretty great for the learning curve. I mean hell if actually know what you're doing for easy picks, and end up taking tidal dash or some shit just spamming all the mobs into walls to clear, you really didn't learn how they move or how to dodge their attacks. So in the long run I feel like using feather duster and tooth (maybe even the combo breaker invul thing I'm forgetting the name of) are pretty damn important for the learning curve.
I used to use Dusa's Featherduster when starting out, before I got the DDs and healing upgrades from the mirror. It was _really_ good back then. Now not anymore.
I haven’t even thought about Dusa's keepsake, let alone equipped it, in like 100 runs. It’s a shame, she’s one of the best characters but has one of the worst keepsakes.
you say "that's the whole thing" but the fact that there is unique, fully voiced dialogue for this *incredibly* rare occurrence is really cool. Nevermind the difficulty, you'd have to have decent luck to *avoid* getting boons.
Aw man, I tried doing this, hoping for a voice line based on it, did it on my third try, but didn't get any dialogue. Gonna guess that it's because I used a non Zag aspect weapon or took a Bouldy thing, but I was hoping that since he was non-Olympian it wouldn't count. Might have to try again now lol
@@annoyingpos Just realized that same thing here, I got a really good run with the hoarder slash, trying to get all the epic boons, savings the roll for the last selling shop, got a 2 sacks on styx of health and money and realized that my keepsake is only 80% and the clip is on the test branch lol
I will be trying this later. Lately I’ve been exclusively trying to get Splitting Bolt and Second Wave together along with Sea Storm. I came across it by accident one time and literally cruised through. I usually take Poseidon Attack, Zeus Cast and either of their Calls. From there it’s Razor Shoals, Breaking Wave and Wave Pounding (for bosses) for Poseidon and Storm Lighting and Static discharge for Zeus. Most of those are only there for the Duo and Legendary, but most of Poseidons boons compliment his attack Boons *very* well. Static Discharge is pretty okay too ig.
Spoiler for anyone that don't know why Skelly cannot be summon during Charon fight, Skelly works under Charon where Skelly was ordered to assist Zagreus on his attempt to escape the underworld. There's also a hint in Skelly mouth where you can see a gold coin that you get throughout the escape attempt. I just knew this last week.
I think shattered shackle fits into a run well if you take it right at the start and you dont want to force your run completely. I beat 32 heat and did a bunch of the hard stuff in the game but now I just play a bit more casually and I always start with shackle in tartarus. However, if we are talking about useless keepsakes I think skull earrings and distant memory need a complete rework. They’re just useless.
Were those keepsakes different, two years ago when you posted this? Built correctly, skull earring is powerful with the bow. And distant memory is basically free bonus damage with the bow, rail, or with the hidden aspect of the spear. The most useless keepsake in the game is Thanatos's. If you're good enough to never get hit in every room and earn its buff, you don't need its buff!
Maybe I'm just a noob but crystal beam is like THE thing I get for the Heroes every time. Theseus can't shield in multiple directions, it's also great for hades tbh
As far as I know Chaos boons don't nullify the Shackle's bonus because it isn't an Olympian boon, am I wrong or did that get patched at some point? EDIT: So I just tried it and they don't actually nullify each other. With the Shattered Shackle, the Demeter Fist special did 54 damage. Got a Chaos special boon, unlocked it after 3 rooms, damage went up by +38% resulting in 71 damage, meaning that it didn't replace the 80% damage boost from the shackle or else it wouldn't have increased
So, idk if someone is wondering by now but Chaos apparently doesn't count cause they aren't a Olympian god. I did the "no-olympian-boon run" and got some Chaos boons. The dialogue was slightly different than Haelian's, but the same structure like "yo, no scent of Olympus in you boy", so I guess it works anyways :D
Funnily enough, I *just* finished watching GrandPooBear's Hades runs before checking out this video and I was suuuuuper frustrated at his chat's bad advice.
Does anything different happen if you do a Fresh First Run with no Boons? besides being a legendary achievement I feel it would be also funny lorewise. Although I'm not sure if it's possible since you can sell 3 Boons per Purge Pool.
I would love for shattered shackle to give 100% now. (I hope that is implemented.) it would be perfect for rama. I've gotten pretty good at timing the powershot with rama and getting 100% damage with shattered shackle on rama would be awesome. Also, I recently learned from SGG's discord that a chaos boon buffs doesn't negate shattered shackle so yeah...I welcome that. Supposedly, shattered shackle only applies to the core abilities (the ones always visible on the left hand side.) Also, I don't understand why skelly gets 900ish damage points in the courtyard per life but 250 per instance during a run. That's a major bummer.
Wait... You can fight Charon?! Also I've never gotten Lernie for the Hydra fight :( And I didn't even know you could summon Meg and Skelly, or that you could reroll doors.
I've just finished a no boons run myself :D Got triple shot and perfect shot And in the health area, almost the same as him, 425. But did the run at heat 4. I'm not as much of a madman as him hahaha.
unless you are playing with an weapon/aspect that attacks slow or one attack at a time, like arthur and the bow. Its basically a free heat if you're using malphon or zeus shield
My girlfriend started playing this game on pc and I started when it came out on console. She was hyping me up so much for an item she wanted me to get once I was able so she eagerly watched and made sure I didn’t mess anything up. Finally I walked over and handed this lady a nectar and I got the item. My girlfriend was ecstatic, and told me I should check it out right away. It was an item that gave me a 5% chance to find minimal health in some pots. Scaled to 15% at max rank, it was the Dusa feather duster. I was so….disappointed.
ok so i have this friend that i introduced to hades and he loves, but he falls for so many of this traps in the game and i keep having to push him out of them.
I take Harpie's Feather Duster because you think that the low % chance is bad until you realize the sheer quantity of vases you can find in each room. (was @ the comment in the video asking if anybody used the duster anymore)
In the very beginning of his run what was that Artemis boon thing sitting on the floor I’m a somewhat new player but I’ve never seen a boom hovering over a hellish symbol
MINIMAL SPOILERS after you defeat tbe boss once, the house contractor will let you unlock "infernal gates" very hard encounters that require certain amounts of "heat" (type of difficulty unlucked after beating final boss once or from start in hellmode) at 5 heat you can enter these rooms in tartarus, 10 asphodel 15 elisyum. These encounter grant enhanced rewards and are also an extra choice when hunting for specific stuff (boons or obols for example).
I'm trying to be patient, but it’s starting to get kind of frustrating how far behind the Switch version is. I don’t give a crap about cross saves, I just want it to be up to date with Steam/Epic.
@@qlock6154 Switch version didn’t get the October patch with the new themes & balance changes, & it still has the bugs with not unlocking the sundial & Good Riddance’s instrumental
Do new players even understand how the dash-strike is different for the bow? I didn't figure it out until after seeing the credits, but maybe I'm just stupid. The melee weapons are so much more obvious in their differences compared to the bow having faster charging and the faster firing on the rail. So if they don't understand that, they can't effectively capitalize on the hammer
@@simonharford4834 I'm sorry, but what? I'm just giving you my thoughts on what you said? I even said I might be stupid in the comment, and phrased it as a question because I might be wrong? Sorry if that came across as pretentious, I was just honestly curious about whether new players actually could make use of that hammer or not.
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Hades: insults you for taking boons
Also Hades: insults you for not taking boons
More specifically for selling boons, but yeah he would insult us no matter what.
@@JonesCrimson funny because the pnöy reason he sold them was because they were unavoidable to get lol
Damned if you do
Damned if you don't
Thanks dad
I think he's insulting you in case the player actually beats Hades without the boons.
Think of it.
A person who has the choice to be blessed by gods only turns them down.
Confident enough to take you down, viewing yourself as weak.
This man casually did a 20 heat EM4 boonless without using a single Death Defiance
This man casually unzipped his pants and dropped bowling balls on top of what I thought were my amazing golf balls. Now all I have are golf discs and shame.
I'd only be impressed/cared if he did 32.
@@korrenthereaper4357 ok miles
@@korrenthereaper4357 You can max out the tight deadline, approval process and underworld customs for 12 heat. What is the difference? It's still a boonless run
Yeah somehow I could tell this guy is literally the most godlike player of this game I have ever witnessed. I suck an unbelievable amount at this game and ended up losing to the stupid brimstone beam enemies (Not that I won't keep trying to get further). This Haelian could destroy them in a glance without taking damage he's probably both insanely experienced at this particular game AND talented because you need both to destroy this game THIS hard.
If you think about it, Sisyphus' keepsake basically exists to tell you there's a reason to try a zero boon run.
@Locke Dunnegan My first escape of the game involved using the plume all the way through lmao. Then Hermes gave me that auto-dodge boon in Tartarus. You don't have to learn boss patterns if you flip a coin every time they hit you
Funny enough that’s how I beat 32 heat
Wait... What
@@ADSadachbia Sisyphus' keepsake, at its max strength, doubles your attack, special, and cast damage, but only when you have no boons.
@@DolusVulpes i know that. I just didn't took it as metaphor to Sisyphus Boulder and a hint of beating game with no boons
The dialogue I got was slightly different. Zag talked about how he's proven himself capable of doing what other people thought was impossible, over and over.
In mine as well and then Hades told me grab a "cold one" from the fridge and said he's proud of me.
@@malenkas3 Ha! What a dream. The good ending.
I just noticed he uses a cast with the Aphrodite boon on it in the Charon fight. Doesn't even do the run right lol.
Funny is that I saw a dialog like this on a youtube video. But I don't know what video anymore.
@@napppstar0 He sold the Boon before he arrived to Asphodel though, so he used the normal Cast, without Aphrodite's Boon.
I just realized how hard the third phase Hades theme slaps.
best last boss theme since Earthbound imo
Alsmost as great as F-Zero Music
The dude who made the soundtrack (also voiced Zags) did NOT have to go that hard
"third phase"? fuuuuuck.
Third phase? Wtf, I've been busting my ass to beat 2nd phase. I'm sad.
at 26:19 you missed a gold pot, and you were exactly that much away from buying the titan blood lol
Oof
Lmao this reminds me of the old "you missed a tinted rock! Ya dingus!" Classic :)
@@sammylucas6395 hutts, was a thing
Oh that one time I had exactly 999 gold and Charon had a diamond :')
@@sammylucas6395 ah hutts
Hades: You...tell no one at the house, do you hear me?
Zag, looking at video's 235k views: No sweat dad, my lips are sealed.
"*I* didn't tell anyone. The video I recorded, on the other hand..."
@@Talguy21
Hades: You did WHAT?!
I love little details like this. Like someone in Twitch chat said they thought about people doing this sort of run, but it's also way more than that. They encouraged it by creating and buffing an item that boosts it, and they put irl resources into creating Dialogue (and voice acting) to reward it. That's pretty cool in a world where many others are trying to see how many cut corners they can get away with while still wringing you for every last penny they can.
It's such a nice game
27:25 Hades: you smell that? Smells like BITCH in here!
(Little did he know, it was himself he was smelling)
More like: "Huh, it doesn't smell like bitch this time."
yes
I read that part in brackets with the games narrators voice xD
He missed one urn right before Sack that I think would have been the missing 15g for the Titan Blood, damn shame.
He doesn't need titan blood because he already maxed everything
@@mr.clevertrick8710 he talks about wanting to buy it (he's joking)
Dang it all
@@mr.clevertrick8710 I mean, it's sitting there, he's been accumulating gold for the entire run because no boons, he's sooo close and it's taunting him... It's the kind of thing where you feel like you'd never be able to get it normally when it pops up there so it's like a victory over the game if you can buy it without intentionally farming for it. Wouldn't you want it too?
Me who hasn't gotten beyond Extreme Measures 2, seeing Hades' third phase: mom come pick me up, I'm scared
I am constantly amazed and terrified by the skills of Hades streamers like him
me too, they’re crazy
i beat 16 for the first time recently and was like “oh cool i must be at least in the midgame”
then watched a video beginners guide and they said “this is for players new to the game, so we’ll focus on 0-20 heat
duuuude
@@haysdixon6227 right? I feel like I played the game for ages and my best was 9 heat
I've gotten to where I can easily do progressively harder Heats after beating each. I start out maxxing out Extreme Measures then the one that increases # of enemies on screen. After those, I've added Damage Control.
@@Nanaminanamin me too, i feel like i did so much already but i am still at gama warden level and a bunch of stuff left to buy for the house contractor lol
27:24
Oh, Gods bless you !
Tanks
this man needs more upvotes
Thanks, I wasn’t looking forward to watching the entire shitty video for three minutes
@@megamegawrites shitty video? Wow.
omg you can summon Skelly?! And he distracts enemies for you?! Awwww that's so sweet!!!!
Chaos wouldn’t count for Shackle, since all of their boons are pure passive
It’s active boons like the Olympians’ that would nullify the Shackle
But would Hades care?
The question isn't if it screws with shackle, but rather if it would count against the dialogue.
I was pretty certain chaos boons wouldn't work against the shackle, since they're just secondary boons. But I can absolutely see them destroying this dialogue for some reason, even though I think the game itself doesn't even count Chaos as an Olympian.
@@dowfreak7 I just did this challenge and took Chaos boons and still got the dialogue from Hades.
It was more about "does Chaos count if I want to title it as a boonless run?" According to my last video where I did this, Chaos was cheating.
@@Haelian Arguing semantics with twitch chat or YT comments for challenge runs is the worst.
Just not taking chaos would be the best choice then, I guess.
More then capable with his own power, if you don’t count the trinkets, hammers and Charon items.
Hades shit talks so much Zag for using boons while he himself owns a legendary spear and a fucking invisibility cloak
@@akitpe3091 I mean, he has every right to. Hades may be using legendary weapons and armor, but Zag is using that _and_ the help from Olympians and Chaos _and_ the help from Nyx (via Darkness) _and_ the keepsakes _and_ the companions _and_ the Titan's blood _and_ literally changing the layout of the place. He cheats a lot lol.
@@HunterTracks The place changes its *own* layout to make it harder for people (including Zag) to escape.
@@somdudewillson True, but Zag requisitions changes to make going through it easier so it sorta balances out.
@@HunterTracks I would argue the mirror doesn't count as "help" honestly. Nyx gave it to him, but by his birth, Zag is tied to darkness, and made of it too I think? So really any strength he gets from the mirror is just him unlocking his own potential.
Bruh I can't even make it to Hades reliably with 1 heat let alone with no boons yet this dude comes in and kills it
Practice makes perfect I guess, I've been milking the game the past 2 weeks now, still a long way I think from reaching the epilogue, anyways the trick is to find some good offerings to combine, there's a ton in this game depending on your playstyle I guess, though even after having 75 hours in the game I still get confused between hammer upgrades/boons/offerings lol, I would say that Dionysus's offerings are good with the poison build up or if u can work on getting the duo offering between Ares/Artemis that also deals a ton of damage. Work on upgrading the mirror of night talents to the max in case you haven't it will definitely aid you in beating the game with higher heat levels. Also if you're having issues with the bosses of each underworld then try and use the keepsake (forgot its name) that gives you a 5 hit invincibility for each underworld boss encounter if you max it out. Hope this helps.
Its all about practice and preference.
Right know I have little to no trouble for Hades 2nd form (first form is a nightmare for me), but Elyseum trash mob are HORRIBLE
I found that the easiest, most reliable 1 heat run for me is to just use one stage of Calisthenics Program (only recently got my first clear, and the second was a 1 heat with that setup, been able to get to Styx/Hades pretty reliably that way tho). Not sure if it'd work for you(or if you're even still stuck in 1 heat), but hopefully you make/made the breakthrough!
@@nintendork9207 just play n you'll get better , took me about 80-90 runs to consistently win , most things take a 100 tries to get good at something n you master it arou 1k , allthough realisticly everyone is different and such precise estimation are obv false , but not entirely wrong either
Really? I below 5 heat could do this in second try. Game is easy, even Hades fight and the only thing that can stop me is summons... I can't Focus on Hades summons and bombs on the same time
Twitch chat - rips on youtube chat for suggesting chaos boons is cheating. Proceeds to demand removal of family favourites immediately after. OK.
I dont get why family favorite would be cheating tho
@@tugsuumovies1999 The logic is that since it gives you more damage the more boons you have, you're still benefiting from boons for at least a few rooms before you sell them.
Personally I'm neutral on the issue.
I just think that the point of this run is to get the dialogue, so as long as Chaos doesn't count towards that, I don't really care. I don't know if it counts though.
If you truly want a no-boons run simply for the challenge, you could remove Chaos boons and Family Favorite, but it's an arbitrary restriction run. The rules are arbitrary by definition.
@@BFedie518 He only had 1 boon max so it gave %5 bonus damage to him. That is acceptable.
I just beat extreme measures hades today (on my first try too) which means I can finally start watching your videos until the end!
congratulations!
How is he doing so much damage, i cant seem to ever do as much as haelian in his videos
It's a lot of very specific trigger timing, maneuvering to back-stab as much as possible, and knowing which hammers help more than others...
He's hitting the maximum damage boost from perfectly charging the Bow attack each time (it charges a little faster right after a dash, so he's also using dash-attacks each time), he's able to "Critical" (3x damage) 15% of the time due to putting 5 Titan's Blood into the Zagreus Aspect, and he's getting +100% damage from Shackle and dealing 2x damage from the Twin Shot hammer upgrade.
He's just played so many times through the game that he knows how to get maximum potency out of a given build or set of boons/upgrades, and has the muscle memory and practice w/dashing behind enemies to make the most of each attack.
It's mainly the Sisyphus keepsake and the twin shot Daedalus upgrade that you're seeing. There's a few other elements, but mainly it's those two things. Those two items are giving him 400% base-damage on his Attack.
I feel like the shackles are a really decent starting run keepsake cause you can go in as if you have boons and then, once you get some key abilities, switch it out after the furies
It doesn't even make sense to use shackle for Tartarus, seeing as Tartarus is super easy
@@keystonelyte whej you've played a lot, yes. When you are just starting and even Tartarus is a legitimate struggle, no.
@@Mediocresinger there are things that make the run easier out of the gate than shackle
i would be willing to say that Hades offers an enormous amount of ways to get healed
I have been wondering whether it's possible to do boonless run and whether there will be special dialogue with Hades. Thank you for doing this.
The feather duster is perfect for early game survivabilty. I would use that then swtich to skellys tooth when I hit styx for that extra death defiance.
This^ back when we were too broke to afford a lot of defiance, and when we lost to the mobs before we even got to the boss. Those things that let you survive longer let you practice your timing longer. They are pretty great for the learning curve. I mean hell if actually know what you're doing for easy picks, and end up taking tidal dash or some shit just spamming all the mobs into walls to clear, you really didn't learn how they move or how to dodge their attacks. So in the long run I feel like using feather duster and tooth (maybe even the combo breaker invul thing I'm forgetting the name of) are pretty damn important for the learning curve.
Daddy dan, at it again finding the secrets of hades for me so I don't have to suffer
The feather duster was my first 3 star keepsake when I was a big noob. Now it's *ironically* gathering dust in the back of my keepsakes cabinet.
Jacket and backwards cap indoors? This guy is down with the kids !
Thanks for the new tricks, I learned something so I can start training in order to take on Phase 3 Hades when I need to rack up Heat.
I used to use Dusa's Featherduster when starting out, before I got the DDs and healing upgrades from the mirror. It was _really_ good back then. Now not anymore.
I haven’t even thought about Dusa's keepsake, let alone equipped it, in like 100 runs. It’s a shame, she’s one of the best characters but has one of the worst keepsakes.
@@B_Skizzle Yeah, agreed. At some point, it just becomes pointless.
Lucky tooth as well. Uou just growvout of it
@@dinoaurus1 The tooth carried my first few Hades wins.
@@BFedie518 i mean yeah its amazing if you need an emergency death defiance but otherwise not so much
you say "that's the whole thing" but the fact that there is unique, fully voiced dialogue for this *incredibly* rare occurrence is really cool.
Nevermind the difficulty, you'd have to have decent luck to *avoid* getting boons.
Hades "The bow is still the weapon of cowards, boy. This doesn't count."
Aw man, I tried doing this, hoping for a voice line based on it, did it on my third try, but didn't get any dialogue. Gonna guess that it's because I used a non Zag aspect weapon or took a Bouldy thing, but I was hoping that since he was non-Olympian it wouldn't count. Might have to try again now lol
It was added in the test branch/will be added next patch.
@@WorkignTF2 I realized after I made the comment that the line might not have been added until then too lol :) Thanks :D
@@annoyingpos Just realized that same thing here, I got a really good run with the hoarder slash, trying to get all the epic boons, savings the roll for the last selling shop, got a 2 sacks on styx of health and money and realized that my keepsake is only 80% and the clip is on the test branch lol
Had chaos boon and didn't get it, the comments were right
@@rns6889 i think you weren't playing on the test branch at the time, so the dialogue didn't exist yet
TFW dad tells you to tell no one and you post on UA-cam anyway :p
Well, he said no one AT THE HOUSE.
since you can hit skelly enemies should have friendly fire too without getting deflected
Man, you make this game look so much easier than it is.
I will be trying this later. Lately I’ve been exclusively trying to get Splitting Bolt and Second Wave together along with Sea Storm. I came across it by accident one time and literally cruised through. I usually take Poseidon Attack, Zeus Cast and either of their Calls. From there it’s Razor Shoals, Breaking Wave and Wave Pounding (for bosses) for Poseidon and Storm Lighting and Static discharge for Zeus. Most of those are only there for the Duo and Legendary, but most of Poseidons boons compliment his attack Boons *very* well. Static Discharge is pretty okay too ig.
when you get hit so hard you turn into a goat 29:35
Spoiler for anyone that don't know why Skelly cannot be summon during Charon fight,
Skelly works under Charon where Skelly was ordered to assist Zagreus on his attempt to escape the underworld. There's also a hint in Skelly mouth where you can see a gold coin that you get throughout the escape attempt. I just knew this last week.
Cool info. I remember thanatos being flustered when zagreus asked him about skelly so i thought it was from him.
The crystal beams really clutched a win for me the other day. With the right boons, they melted Hades second form.
I think shattered shackle fits into a run well if you take it right at the start and you dont want to force your run completely. I beat 32 heat and did a bunch of the hard stuff in the game but now I just play a bit more casually and I always start with shackle in tartarus. However, if we are talking about useless keepsakes I think skull earrings and distant memory need a complete rework. They’re just useless.
dude how did you beat it with 32 heat, i keep dying in asphodel even with the lucky tooth and owl pendant lol
Were those keepsakes different, two years ago when you posted this?
Built correctly, skull earring is powerful with the bow. And distant memory is basically free bonus damage with the bow, rail, or with the hidden aspect of the spear.
The most useless keepsake in the game is Thanatos's. If you're good enough to never get hit in every room and earn its buff, you don't need its buff!
The vase in the room at 26:20 also would've given him the exact amount needed for the titans blood.
Here's the talk of Crystal beam, sat here with my sub 45 hours in the game feeling like "oh I really like the beam for bosses, am I a scrub" lol
30:57 That sounded like Tisiphone, are you secretly Tis' VA haelian ??
Maybe I'm just a noob but crystal beam is like THE thing I get for the Heroes every time. Theseus can't shield in multiple directions, it's also great for hades tbh
imo its only useful in bosses that don't move much, like the hydra and the fury sisters, unless you get cristal clarity from artemis.
Wanna see this but with hoarding slash
seriously i tried this with a hoarding slash nemesis set up, and got destroyed ;-; then again, i was trying no mirror and no boons, so it was aweful.
I beat the game with Crystal Beam multiple times. I just let they do the fighting for me.
As far as I know Chaos boons don't nullify the Shackle's bonus because it isn't an Olympian boon, am I wrong or did that get patched at some point?
EDIT: So I just tried it and they don't actually nullify each other. With the Shattered Shackle, the Demeter Fist special did 54 damage. Got a Chaos special boon, unlocked it after 3 rooms, damage went up by +38% resulting in 71 damage, meaning that it didn't replace the 80% damage boost from the shackle or else it wouldn't have increased
He ended up not using any boons solely for the extra dialogue from daddy.
It's not whether or not it affects shackle, of course it doesn't. It's about not knowing whether or not it affects the dialogue from hades
Interesting ty for testing that
OH HI MARK!
P.S: I tried this run with Arthur's Aspect, it was pretty decent, if not for the FO buffed enemies lol
I love the funky ass remix you get to charons theme when you fight him.
While it may be just a line, that line wasn’t even in the game when I did mine lol
It's crazy they got 2 different unique dialogues just for this specific and rare self-challenge
So, idk if someone is wondering by now but Chaos apparently doesn't count cause they aren't a Olympian god. I did the "no-olympian-boon run" and got some Chaos boons. The dialogue was slightly different than Haelian's, but the same structure like "yo, no scent of Olympus in you boy", so I guess it works anyways :D
I tied this at like 0 heat and when I got to Hades the speedrun reflexes kicked in and I missed the hidden line :(
Usually when I destroy the small chariots I feel like I'm killing cats.
26:20 laughing at the guy in chat who said the DOW is at record highs... Welp, one year later... Here we are...
Funnily enough, I *just* finished watching GrandPooBear's Hades runs before checking out this video and I was suuuuuper frustrated at his chat's bad advice.
There is a third phase in the Hades fight?!
I didn't even know
When using the shackle, i find that its really fun to use the Arthur aspect. The damage on the third swing is MEATY
Tried doing this and was so upset that I got a three sac in styx forcing me to take a boon
I read it as "Getting to Hades with ZERO bones".
Does anything different happen if you do a Fresh First Run with no Boons? besides being a legendary achievement I feel it would be also funny lorewise. Although I'm not sure if it's possible since you can sell 3 Boons per Purge Pool.
I would love for shattered shackle to give 100% now. (I hope that is implemented.) it would be perfect for rama. I've gotten pretty good at timing the powershot with rama and getting 100% damage with shattered shackle on rama would be awesome. Also, I recently learned from SGG's discord that a chaos boon buffs doesn't negate shattered shackle so yeah...I welcome that. Supposedly, shattered shackle only applies to the core abilities (the ones always visible on the left hand side.) Also, I don't understand why skelly gets 900ish damage points in the courtyard per life but 250 per instance during a run. That's a major bummer.
I use the feather duster from tarterus to elysium. Then i change to the lucky tooth for temple of the styx and beyond.
if anybody is wondering: chaos doesnt count and it's way easier with some good chaos boons
Nor sure if you tried it yet, but lucifer with the artemis atack crit chance is very fun
Wait... You can fight Charon?!
Also I've never gotten Lernie for the Hydra fight :(
And I didn't even know you could summon Meg and Skelly, or that you could reroll doors.
30:59 haelian cosplays as tisiphone
I just want you to imagine the look of horror on my face when I saw the 3rd phase of the Hades fight (I've only had the game about 2 weeks now)
I've just finished a no boons run myself :D
Got triple shot and perfect shot
And in the health area, almost the same as him, 425.
But did the run at heat 4. I'm not as much of a madman as him hahaha.
My argument for what counts is that if you can sell it in the Pool of Purging, it counts
One hell of a clench at the end there. Nice run
I used Dusa's keepsakes and it carried me through my first victory. It's very reliable healing.
I think that the punishment where they ignore the initial damage isnt bad
unless you are playing with an weapon/aspect that attacks slow or one attack at a time, like arthur and the bow. Its basically a free heat if you're using malphon or zeus shield
Nice run, though I miss that creepy ass circus outro you had. =)
I got different dialogue when I did this - it might be because I had only Chaos boons?
My girlfriend started playing this game on pc and I started when it came out on console. She was hyping me up so much for an item she wanted me to get once I was able so she eagerly watched and made sure I didn’t mess anything up. Finally I walked over and handed this lady a nectar and I got the item. My girlfriend was ecstatic, and told me I should check it out right away. It was an item that gave me a 5% chance to find minimal health in some pots. Scaled to 15% at max rank, it was the Dusa feather duster. I was so….disappointed.
ok so i have this friend that i introduced to hades and he loves, but he falls for so many of this traps in the game and i keep having to push him out of them.
You couldn't get titan's blood because you missed one urn in styx, would have been exactly 1200 :D
I did a weak laugh at the exact same time as you after you said 'penetrate'
Wow he made it all the way to Hades with no deaths and no boons wtf. Also it would be cool if you could fight chaos
Dude your skill is AMAZING?!! My best is 7 heat with the shield so far!
I take Harpie's Feather Duster because you think that the low % chance is bad until you realize the sheer quantity of vases you can find in each room.
(was @ the comment in the video asking if anybody used the duster anymore)
Of course, but doubling your damage for this challenge is probably going to push you further.
@@JulieLamia plus the goal of this run was to have shackle in your inventory for the hades fight anyway, right?
Was thinking of doing this run. Glad to see someone did
This guy, better without boons than I am with boons most of the time.
In the very beginning of his run what was that Artemis boon thing sitting on the floor I’m a somewhat new player but I’ve never seen a boom hovering over a hellish symbol
MINIMAL SPOILERS after you defeat tbe boss once, the house contractor will let you unlock "infernal gates" very hard encounters that require certain amounts of "heat" (type of difficulty unlucked after beating final boss once or from start in hellmode) at 5 heat you can enter these rooms in tartarus, 10 asphodel 15 elisyum.
These encounter grant enhanced rewards and are also an extra choice when hunting for specific stuff (boons or obols for example).
Super Giant games is my hero for 2020
Sub-20 minutes, 20 heat, what the fuck? I can't even get under 29 minutes at 6 heat.
Whats with the bone hydra arena? Is it an early access thing
This is the arena if you have Extreme Measures rank 2 applied for Pact of Punishment.
@@JTGwozdz oh, haven't used extreme measures on the pact yet
I enjoy these videos a lot, and i would love to join the stream, what time do you stream at?
If you don't have a schedule about what time?
12 pm est, sun, mon, wed and fri!
Makes me wonder what might be said if you got on the first playthrough.
I used dusas keepsake until I was able to reach hades. It was all that could afford me the run
Crystal beam works well with heroes too.
Not like you need this but what if you did the same run with the only boon being Strong Drink
i had a really strong run yesterday with lucifer rail, at the end i was doing over 600 dmg with doom damage alone
didn't know Paul Bettany started streaming. Pretty cool to know
What is the best combination of weapon/aspect and keepsake for a zero boon run nowdays?
I’ve never encountered kernite I’ve always fought the lernaean bone hydra
I'm trying to be patient, but it’s starting to get kind of frustrating how far behind the Switch version is. I don’t give a crap about cross saves, I just want it to be up to date with Steam/Epic.
Are they not up to date? I own both on the switch and steam but i quit playing the steam version.
@@qlock6154 Switch version didn’t get the October patch with the new themes & balance changes, & it still has the bugs with not unlocking the sundial & Good Riddance’s instrumental
I tried this myself a while back and he didn't say anything different. I guess it just depends.
It's something new in the test branch
31:15 He's begining to believe...
explosive shot is actually kind of good if you're still new to the game since it makes the bows dash strike pretty good
Do new players even understand how the dash-strike is different for the bow? I didn't figure it out until after seeing the credits, but maybe I'm just stupid.
The melee weapons are so much more obvious in their differences compared to the bow having faster charging and the faster firing on the rail.
So if they don't understand that, they can't effectively capitalize on the hammer
@@dig8634 We get it, you're pretentious and think you're better than everyone else. Can you calm it down tho?
@@simonharford4834 I'm sorry, but what? I'm just giving you my thoughts on what you said?
I even said I might be stupid in the comment, and phrased it as a question because I might be wrong?
Sorry if that came across as pretentious, I was just honestly curious about whether new players actually could make use of that hammer or not.