Nice! As a begginer, it would be great to see an in-depth explanation of the basic shomenuchi movement and its principles. Like, which hand applies more force on the bokken and where/how, how to keep the right trajectory, where do the eyes look, etc...I think that an overview of the small details that lead to a correct execution of the movement would be very helpful for those who take a bokken in their hands for the first time. Anyway, thanks for sharing, keep it up with the good work!
+Robyo Thanks for your ideas and support! I'm always very glad to hear when people find the videos useful. I will take into account what you said about details. Right now I will be focusing on general basics and it might take a while until the time comes to look at details, but when it does, what you said will be remembered :)
Good day! I would like to leave a critical comment, but please do not take it to heart, rather to mind. In Japanese bujutsu the principle of full transmission is very important: Only someone with a full transmission certificate can teach other people things of the school. That is how it was traditionally. Morihei Ueshiba was a teacher of Daito ryu and he had a menkyo kaiden (full transmission certificate) for the school given to him by Sokaku Takeda . And the school barely has any sword work, as that was left to schools which dealt with that, e.g. Itto ryu styles or Kashima styles. I know Morihei Ueshiba has practiced some Kashima ryu swordsmanship (and they have a lot of actually practical sword taking techniques and work with the center, etc.), however, he did not have menkyo kaiden scroll for this. I know some of the Jo work he is promoting actually comes from the practice of bayonet stabbing and things he learned in the army. I know Morihiro Saito has practiced some kendo, however leaving it shortly after starting. (I may be wrong on the historical part) While practicing both aikido and kendo and also reading and watching a lot of video on kenjutsu ryuha, I find the aikido sword movement to be rather absurd. Or to rephrase it, swordsmanship is in the details and usually aikido people in my practice do all the details 'wrong' and teachers often do not even correct them. (wrong in a sense that there are many ways to do a simple cut, however, the aikido way seems to be the worst of all) I read your comment: "But you can also use a bokken as a wooden sword, with which you don't need to cut, but you rather strike, as if with a wooden staff, needing no extra extension" Do you realize that then you cannot claim aikido to be based on the sword movement, but rather the short staff which looks like a sword? Not cutting? Not extending? This is the basis of aikido hand movement and you've said it more than once in your videos. A tree without a root is sure to topple, a house without a base is sure to fall. (Again you may say that the sword you are showing is based on Iwama ryu, but what is Iwama ryu based on?) A lot of Japanese aikido sensei realized this and went on to study the sword and jo in more traditional schools, as to not teach their students ignorance. For example, please look at Nishio-sensei's aikido and his use of arms. While I'm just a random keyboard warrior with very limited knowledge on the internets, please consider my comment to be directed at your own (and your students') betterment and not offense.
Thanks. I appreciate your openness in your observation. I do recognize that this is not the ultimate sword style, yet it's also taught like this in many Dojo's. my goal with this video is simply to help people to understand what their teachers might be expecting of them. In the end, I am not planning to carry a sword around streets :) All in all, the movements that I've presented we connect directly to some techniques and philosophy in our Dojo and use it as a supporting practice for that movement, rather than "mastering of a weapon", thus I can fully take in your observation and not defend at all against it. You have a true opinion, it's impossible to be a master of all and so I would never claim to be a master of the sword or bokken, but I simply hope that to those who learn the movements in a similar way may simply have this as an aid in their journey, rather then an answer to all :) And I hope people will see it that way.
@@gene8172 I practice Kendo myself and i found this comment is very direct and helpful. I saw many people transfer from Aikido to Kendo with the idea that "i am familiar with sword", and it is much harder to guild them than a brand new beginner. Not only they are bad, they just keep their own wrong habit and do as they please. The only one way i know how to make them "move on" is allow them to wear bogu (armor) and fight with whatever they have, then give them a rough reality. Only after they saw me go 1v5 one by one, giving them hell without dropping a sweat, they know sword is not gentle and accept to give up their Aikido sword. But i don't really enjoy using this way because it look like i am bully them.
Boken does represent the sword, therefore, the thought of the movement should be to cut. A cut must be a circular motion. To accentuate the circle, bring the boken (the end of it, hand part) towards below the belly button and almost against it. Almost because of the stop action created by twisting the boken like if you wanted to drain water out of a wet rag (right hand twist left, left hand twist right)
Hello, iwama style is based on O-senseis teachings in Iwama in the postwar period. Morihiro (and now his son Hitohiro) was teaching aiki ken and aikijo after learning for over 23 years from O-sensei. Sorry my friends - this vid does not show proper Aiki ken - Nishio was practising laido - he never learned weapons from the founder - like almost all Aikikai `Bigheads´ (Tamura, Kobayashi, Yamada and co.)in Tokyo. Aikiken now taught by Hitohira Saito is very much like Kenjutsu - not Kendo (mostly Bamboo- sport-fencing, sorry) Unfortunately everyone seems to be an expert in Aikido Weapons nowadays. (we now also practice real sword katas and tameshigiri in Iwama ryu (like O sensei did in iwama, yes!) He did also a lot of experimental weapons Training in Iwama - with Saito sensei! Based on this morning classes the weapons curriculum was designed by Morihiro after O-senseis death. I´ve never heard anyone saying that Ueshiba Sensei was not skillfull with ken and jo ?! After over sixty years of practising (like crazy!) martial arts from childhood on!? Asking for menkyo kaiden certificates ? - okay - you may don´t know enough of Aikido history i think. But i don´t claim that for myself either :) See for yourself what we´re doing in iwama shin shin aiki shurenkai (Hitohiro´s school in iwama) You may find some youtube vids around here.......
I know what you mean. You see, you can use a bokken as a sword, and that is when you need to make a circle as if you are cutting with a knife per say. But you can also use a bokken as a wooden sword, with which you don't need to cut, but you rather strike, as if with a wooden staff, needing no extra extension. In Iwama Ryu tradition a bokken is used as a wooden sword, but you can change based on your intention.
Elang Zulfikar It depends on the Dojo and instructor, whether he teaches Bokken as a replacement for a live blade, or whether he teaches to use it as a wooden sword in itself. I think it's probably more common to use it as a sword (i.e.big circle movement), but you should simply check with the instructor
Very helpful video thanks for sharing! One question please if I may, do you think for both weapons Jo and Bokken (I am not mentioning tachi tori, Jo tori and Jo vs Bokken/Bokken vs Jo) by completing all Subiris for both weapons, all the KumiJo and KumiKen and all the katas, can we say that we "completed" the weapons system?
+Jack El Khoury I will share how I phrase it to my students: 'These are the traditional basics'. I feel that there are always more possibilities and more ways to do something, so to say that we completed the weapon system, I wouldn't go that far. Yet to say that we completed the basics of it, I think that is more possible
Tip, don’t put the sword behind your back, because if you do so the sword has to almost make full circle, but if you put above your head slightly behind, the sword doesn’t have to make such a long “journey”. Other wise thanks.
There is only three circles to the sword. Pick up the book of five rings and read through it. The pattern is a yin yang with the center as two circles instead of half and half. The all seeing mind like the moon is this pattern is devised from the pattern of the moon if you connect all the dark parts and light parts on a full moon it makes the pattern, there you go I just gave you the moon. Now aikido is this practice with the sword and without it. Bagua is the deer horn knives also known as double fish knives or moon knives and hand work, and wing chun is the Bart cham dao double swords and hand work. These are classical arts with advanced work.
You really shouldnt be teaching this, you cab barely perform it yourself. If you're genuinely interested watch the original saito videos or someone with actual iwama skillset like Hirohito (saito's son) or Dunken francis sensei, as much of this is very average, and I'm being kind...
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Nice! As a begginer, it would be great to see an in-depth explanation of the basic shomenuchi movement and its principles. Like, which hand applies more force on the bokken and where/how, how to keep the right trajectory, where do the eyes look, etc...I think that an overview of the small details that lead to a correct execution of the movement would be very helpful for those who take a bokken in their hands for the first time. Anyway, thanks for sharing, keep it up with the good work!
+Robyo Thanks for your ideas and support! I'm always very glad to hear when people find the videos useful.
I will take into account what you said about details. Right now I will be focusing on general basics and it might take a while until the time comes to look at details, but when it does, what you said will be remembered :)
Tip holding the boken. start to grip with the thumb and little finger (tightest), and finish with the index finger (loosest).
Thank you for the detailed explanation.
Thanks for sharing again.
+Catalin Denuve My pleasure. I'll be very happy if people will find it useful
This is awesome review for me been out the game for a few years. Thank you for your work
thanks for the video! It was very enlightening, you explain very well!
Thanks
Good day! I would like to leave a critical comment, but please do not take it to heart, rather to mind.
In Japanese bujutsu the principle of full transmission is very important: Only someone with a full transmission certificate can teach other people things of the school. That is how it was traditionally.
Morihei Ueshiba was a teacher of Daito ryu and he had a menkyo kaiden (full transmission certificate) for the school given to him by Sokaku Takeda . And the school barely has any sword work, as that was left to schools which dealt with that, e.g. Itto ryu styles or Kashima styles.
I know Morihei Ueshiba has practiced some Kashima ryu swordsmanship (and they have a lot of actually practical sword taking techniques and work with the center, etc.), however, he did not have menkyo kaiden scroll for this. I know some of the Jo work he is promoting actually comes from the practice of bayonet stabbing and things he learned in the army.
I know Morihiro Saito has practiced some kendo, however leaving it shortly after starting. (I may be wrong on the historical part)
While practicing both aikido and kendo and also reading and watching a lot of video on kenjutsu ryuha, I find the aikido sword movement to be rather absurd. Or to rephrase it, swordsmanship is in the details and usually aikido people in my practice do all the details 'wrong' and teachers often do not even correct them. (wrong in a sense that there are many ways to do a simple cut, however, the aikido way seems to be the worst of all)
I read your comment:
"But you can also use a bokken as a wooden sword, with which you don't
need to cut, but you rather strike, as if with a wooden staff, needing
no extra extension"
Do you realize that then you cannot claim aikido to be based on the sword movement, but rather the short staff which looks like a sword? Not cutting? Not extending? This is the basis of aikido hand movement and you've said it more than once in your videos.
A tree without a root is sure to topple, a house without a base is sure to fall.
(Again you may say that the sword you are showing is based on Iwama ryu, but what is Iwama ryu based on?)
A lot of Japanese aikido sensei realized this and went on to study the sword and jo in more traditional schools, as to not teach their students ignorance. For example, please look at Nishio-sensei's aikido and his use of arms.
While I'm just a random keyboard warrior with very limited knowledge on the internets, please consider my comment to be directed at your own (and your students') betterment and not offense.
Thanks. I appreciate your openness in your observation. I do recognize that this is not the ultimate sword style, yet it's also taught like this in many Dojo's. my goal with this video is simply to help people to understand what their teachers might be expecting of them. In the end, I am not planning to carry a sword around streets :) All in all, the movements that I've presented we connect directly to some techniques and philosophy in our Dojo and use it as a supporting practice for that movement, rather than "mastering of a weapon", thus I can fully take in your observation and not defend at all against it. You have a true opinion, it's impossible to be a master of all and so I would never claim to be a master of the sword or bokken, but I simply hope that to those who learn the movements in a similar way may simply have this as an aid in their journey, rather then an answer to all :) And I hope people will see it that way.
KoRNeRd ....or you are free to shove off and move on if you don’t like what you see....
@@gene8172
I practice Kendo myself and i found this comment is very direct and helpful.
I saw many people transfer from Aikido to Kendo with the idea that "i am familiar with sword", and it is much harder to guild them than a brand new beginner. Not only they are bad, they just keep their own wrong habit and do as they please.
The only one way i know how to make them "move on" is allow them to wear bogu (armor) and fight with whatever they have, then give them a rough reality. Only after they saw me go 1v5 one by one, giving them hell without dropping a sweat, they know sword is not gentle and accept to give up their Aikido sword. But i don't really enjoy using this way because it look like i am bully them.
Thank you so much for all vidéos 👍👌
+Safae Saad My pleasure! I'm very glad to know they help!
Cutting and extending is vital...otherwise it is not sword technique.
Boken does represent the sword, therefore, the thought of the movement should be to cut. A cut must be a circular motion. To accentuate the circle, bring the boken (the end of it, hand part) towards below the belly button and almost against it. Almost because of the stop action created by twisting the boken like if you wanted to drain water out of a wet rag (right hand twist left, left hand twist right)
Hello, iwama style is based on O-senseis teachings in Iwama in the postwar period. Morihiro (and now his son Hitohiro) was teaching aiki ken and aikijo after learning for over 23 years from O-sensei.
Sorry my friends - this vid does not show proper Aiki ken - Nishio was practising laido - he never learned weapons from the founder - like almost all Aikikai `Bigheads´ (Tamura, Kobayashi, Yamada and co.)in Tokyo.
Aikiken now taught by Hitohira Saito is very much like Kenjutsu - not Kendo (mostly Bamboo- sport-fencing, sorry)
Unfortunately everyone seems to be an expert in Aikido Weapons nowadays.
(we now also practice real sword katas and tameshigiri in Iwama ryu (like O sensei did in iwama, yes!)
He did also a lot of experimental weapons Training in Iwama - with Saito sensei!
Based on this morning classes the weapons curriculum was designed by Morihiro after O-senseis death.
I´ve never heard anyone saying that Ueshiba Sensei was not skillfull with ken and jo ?!
After over sixty years of practising (like crazy!) martial arts from childhood on!?
Asking for menkyo kaiden certificates ? - okay - you may don´t know enough of Aikido history i think.
But i don´t claim that for myself either :)
See for yourself what we´re doing in iwama shin shin aiki shurenkai (Hitohiro´s school in iwama)
You may find some youtube vids around here.......
it's terrible. he should never be teaching.
thanks for the video... i have a bokken but i dunno how to use it properly so again thanks
shouldnt you be making a big circle when you strike? i mean like extending your arm a little bit when you strike?
I know what you mean. You see, you can use a bokken as a sword, and that is when you need to make a circle as if you are cutting with a knife per say. But you can also use a bokken as a wooden sword, with which you don't need to cut, but you rather strike, as if with a wooden staff, needing no extra extension. In Iwama Ryu tradition a bokken is used as a wooden sword, but you can change based on your intention.
+AikidoSiauliai so in regular aikido practice when using your ken, should you make that big circle when you do shomenuchi?
Elang Zulfikar It depends on the Dojo and instructor, whether he teaches Bokken as a replacement for a live blade, or whether he teaches to use it as a wooden sword in itself. I think it's probably more common to use it as a sword (i.e.big circle movement), but you should simply check with the instructor
+AikidoSiauliai cool, thanks man
Elang Zulfikar My pleasure!
Very helpful video thanks for sharing! One question please if I may, do you think for both weapons Jo and Bokken (I am not mentioning tachi tori, Jo tori and Jo vs Bokken/Bokken vs Jo) by completing all Subiris for both weapons, all the KumiJo and KumiKen and all the katas, can we say that we "completed" the weapons system?
+Jack El Khoury I will share how I phrase it to my students: 'These are the traditional basics'. I feel that there are always more possibilities and more ways to do something, so to say that we completed the weapon system, I wouldn't go that far. Yet to say that we completed the basics of it, I think that is more possible
+AikidoSiauliai okay sensei, I understand, thank you so much for your reply and for your share as well!
Jack El Khoury I'm glad it helps!
+AikidoSiauliai thank you so much!
Very nice!!! thanks for sharing! =D
+Willy Krawczyk Thanks for your support Willy!
Tip, don’t put the sword behind your back, because if you do so the sword has to almost make full circle, but if you put above your head slightly behind, the sword doesn’t have to make such a long “journey”.
Other wise thanks.
He cant do this, so why is he teaching it??
There is only three circles to the sword. Pick up the book of five rings and read through it. The pattern is a yin yang with the center as two circles instead of half and half. The all seeing mind like the moon is this pattern is devised from the pattern of the moon if you connect all the dark parts and light parts on a full moon it makes the pattern, there you go I just gave you the moon. Now aikido is this practice with the sword and without it. Bagua is the deer horn knives also known as double fish knives or moon knives and hand work, and wing chun is the Bart cham dao double swords and hand work. These are classical arts with advanced work.
Very insightful. Thank you for this information . . . and thank you for the moon!
thank you
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Why did I get asmr from this
Morgan was Here!!
+Christian Orellana Lol :D "Here's not here ;)
AikidoSiauliai fail translated
+Christian Orellana ? If you watch the show, Morgan wrote on the walls all the time:"Here's not here" when he was crazy
AikidoSiauliai jajajajjaaja thanks ...
thank. I Pactic.
чудо юдо с мечём)))
Awase and kumitachi ?
You really shouldnt be teaching this, you cab barely perform it yourself. If you're genuinely interested watch the original saito videos or someone with actual iwama skillset like Hirohito (saito's son) or Dunken francis sensei, as much of this is very average, and I'm being kind...
boring....
TIP practice an actual martial art and not BULLSHIDO