I am originally from MA. I never had pizza from CT. I am a retired exec chef that got my start making pizza at 16 yrs. old at a place called the Sorrento Room. Those pizzeria s ŕeally bring me back. I have been living in MT for 25 years. Whenever I get to CT again I will get some pizza. I really enjoy your videos!
@@willcookmakeupthey tried to open a Colony grill in Avon, which is kind of like the New Canaan of the Hartford metro area, it bombed and closed within a few months. Too bad, it is a classic.
I live just outside of New Haven, and let me tell you how lucky you were to get into Pepe's! There's usually a very long line of people waiting to get in. Pepe's and Modern are my favorites. Without the char on the crust it's just plain old pizza. That char makes it New Haven Apizza.
The more we learn about making pizza the more that we realize we are going to want to learn more. As always Thank You for another great video by Martin!
This a very special Type of pizza and it’s preparation is light and Martin you are so relaxed and so tender with the dough. The finish looks so delicate and delicious.
Had to move back to CT a few years back and I’m not mad about all the amazing Pizza here. Also I prefer Sally’s over Pepe’s, but really love Modern the most
I agree with you. That said, due to the competition I’m pretty sure there’s an unknown pizza joint elsewhere in CT that might actually surpass those famous places
Your approach to drawing the tomatoes solved my problem, and your spot on that it’s a no-cook sauce. While it looks great, it’s too crackery to be NH style.
OMG I went to CT in September and tried pizza from the little rendezvous and have been craving the pizza since , thanks so much for the videos will be making the dough tomorrow:) I also went to NH and made my stop at King Arthur to stock up on Supplies,i used to go all the time when I lived in NH but I now live in VA and hope tp move back top NH soon.
Brilliant timing, Cheryl! Please let us know what you think of our recipe. 😊 If you happen to live within driving distance of Fairfax, VA, we have a pop-up retail-only location there until the end of July 2025! www.kingarthurbaking.com/visit/fairfax-va Maybe we will see you again soon, after all! -🥐Lily
I was in Stamford a couple weeks ago and since I had always heard about New Haven pizza so I was glad to find a Pepe's branch in town. Pizza was very good, uniquely crisp as you described. I also immediately picked up on the trace of pecorino cheese like you did at the third pizzeria. That made it a lot more interesting than straight mozz.
Way off-topic, but love your boots! Also, ‘love’ 🙄 reading all the comments telling you how you’re doing it wrong - yet not sharing THEIR perfect videos.
Pizza is a diverse and ever changing concept! I understand why that people will always have their say for that very reason, but thank you for your solidarity! And for the compliment on the boots, I'll pass it along to Martin! 🥾 -🍰Grace
Thanks for the visit and recipe. Pepe's and Sally's have multiple locations outside of New Haven. The Pepe's in Manchester, CT makes a pizza that was just as shown and described in the video.
Respectfully, the Peppe’s chain locations are very good - but not at all like the original. It’s possible to mimic, but not replicate, a 100+ year old coal oven in constant use - that is what makes New Haven so special.
Martin has to come visit our extremely popular pizza place! It’s called Baba Louie’s and they have sourdough pizza crust and local cheese’s, vegetables and meat! The starter they use is over 50 years old and the dough can also be purchased. We aren’t that far from Vermont. The Berkshire’s in western Massachusetts (Great Barrington).
If you go to South Philly head over to City Pizza at Front and Snyder or their other location at 16th and Oregon ave. Both spots are not very far from each other. Or Cacia's Bakery at 1526 w Ritner st.
Thank you for the high quality close-up shots of these pies. I've always been fascinated by New Haven pizza but it's too far away from me to come try. Great video by Martin as usual!
Hypothetically, you could achieve similar results using a Weber kettle. Other than being stretched thin, what makes New Haven pizza so crispy is the use of charcoal. I worked with a hybrid oven that used gas heat on one side for consistency and a pile of anthracite coal and mesquite lump charcoal on the other. For a Weber you don’t need anthracite - we only needed it because charcoal and gas alone wasn’t gonna heat up the large oven to the 350 F we needed.
Just get Turkish Flatbread 🫓 add what you want heat it and. Simple. Done in 5 min at 375 or until bread becomes crisp. Use olive oil on both sides before you cook it with a choice of topping and sauce 😊
Not near New Haven anymore. Many a trip to get a New Haven pizza after being at the cape for the weekend. Been making pizza for 30+ years at home even in the midst of great pizza places. Will try this soon.
“It’s so thin, it’s like there are almost no calories” 🤣 great vid as usual - I’ll be at my fave New Haven style pizza place this week now I am craving it even more!
I planned a pizza road trip a few years ago through Philly, Jersey, NY, and CT. There was Sally’s and then there was everybody else. As close as I’ve come to perfection.
Welcome, An So! We're glad that Martin could inspire you. 😊 Please let us know if you try this recipe, or however we can assist your baking adventures! -🥐Lily
Martin if you want thin pizza you should try Rubino's Pizza in Bexley OH. They've been making an amazing thin pizza for 70 years and they have a national following
Everybody's been raving about the New Haven lately due to the One Bite Pizza you tube reviews by Dave Portnoy and each pie from these so-called go-to places; Sally's, Frank Pepe's and Modern all drooped and were observed as being chewy. These examples are on par with Chicago Style thin crust and the only difference is the style of cut with the New Haven being pie cut whereas in Chicago they traditionally cut pies into small single hand manageable squares. In the end, there is no one style for all just as some folks love rustic Italian bread with a hearty crust while others prefer a light and fluffy focaccia style bread for their sandwiches. King Arthur offers good choices for all baking needs and that's why it's popular. Thanks for sharing and giving home bakers and aspiring pizzaiolo's some insight. Cheers!
You can use parchment to make sure you don't mess up the transition to the oven. Just slide your pizza steel under the dough Once the dough has set in the oven for a few minutes and remove the parchment before it burns
Interestingly enough, the idea that tomato seeds are bitter isn't actually validated by science! But in case you happen to be sensitive to textures, you can rest assured that, leaving seeds whole or crushing them will not alter their taste significantly, given that they'll be cooked in regardless. Do whichever makes your heart happy! 🥰 -🍮Kat
Great video--excited to try. One question though---the mass of dough looks like it made enough for four pizzas. How much sauce did the can of tomatoes make (in oz)? It was said that the sauce is enough for two pizzas, but what about the other two? Do they need an additional sauce batch? Thanks!
Hi there! Our New Haven-Style Pizza recipe makes two pizzas that are approximately 13" in diameter, for this one 28-ounce can (794g) of whole peeled tomatoes is enough. Martin made extra pizzas in the studio, you're welcome to double the recipe as well if you need more pies! -👩🍳Morgan
It would be nice if you showed how it's done in a real pizza oven PLUS a home oven so different levels of pizza enthusiasts can get closer to the real thing
I grew up in CT in the 70s and 80s and was fortunate to be able to go to New Haven all during my days down there (we were regulars at Pepe’s). I love your content and this video was a great surprise! Thank you for doing this (I live in central NH and don’t get down as often anymore). Quick question … what scale are u using? Just curious … my wife has an in home bakery and we are looking at scales … always interested in what other people are using. Thanks again for the content!
We're glad you're enjoying the video, Papa! Martin's using this scale in the video: shop.kingarthurbaking.com/items/kd-7000-digital-scale, and we have others to browse, here: kingarthurbaking.com/search?query=scale#bc_product_index. Please let us know how else we may help! -🥐Lily
I made this using Pizza Stones in my conventional home oven and had great results. If you like this, you'll also like the Lucali recreation by Kitchen and Craft on youtube. Really good job to the Martin, but I would say, as far as Tomatoes, I highly recommend getting the Cento or even the Costco "San Marzano" tomatoes. It makes all the difference in the sauce. Also if you can use a stainless steel hand miller for the tomatoes it works to great effect, just don't ever want to overblend them. appreciate the post, really good dough!
We welcome you to browse through our channel for "pizza" 😊 We also offer an On-Demand baking class available - taught by Martin! - to purchase and have on-hand for whenever you'd like to watch! www.kingarthurbaking.com/baking-school/classes?loc=%22on_demand%22 Happy baking! -🥐Lily
Nice video! I'll be taking your pizza course at the beginning of December, so I can ask this there, but do you find that an autolyze step for the dough makes much difference in the strength? I usually do that, but I'm not sure if it makes much difference.
We're excited to meet you, Craig! We're happy to delve further when we see you. 😊 Autolyse makes the dough more extendable and easier to work with, for sure! If you appreciate the difference then it's definitely worth continuing. Until we see you in December, we have more information about autolyse, here: kingarthurbaking.com/blog/2017/09/29/autolyse-sourdough#to-autolyse. Happy baking! -🥐Lily
Modern is naturally leavened, I hate the American word, sourdough, but that's what it is. Also, hydration for New Haven pizza is closer to 70%. And no rolling pin! I'm a pizza consultant in MA, you should've contacted me because this is not it.
I drive by all of these places multiple times a day. Outside of the New Haven 3, there are another dozen pizza places in and around New Haven that are just as good, and sometimes better (specialty pizzas)
Hello ! What a great channel ! Can I suggest that you put your baking steel on the lower rack and put a stone or steel on the top rack. Let the oven heat up for an hour at 550 degrees F or 288 C . Next step is to launch your pizza on the top rack at High Broil for 2 minutes ! You'll be amazed at how awesome it quickly looks just like in a 900 degree oven. Then put the pizza on the lower rack at Bake 550 F - 288 C for 2 more minutes 3 max depending on your oven !...............Done !! The advantage is that you get the char and taste without beeing dry staying too long in the oven. I'm an Italian from Quebec , I'm very passionate about my pizza but I can't take the credit for this , this trick came from a guy named Andris here on YT and he changed my pizza game forever ! ........You let me know ! Oh ! Almost forgot , get a perforated peel and shake it before so all the floor gets out of there and doesn't taste weird, I used a non perforated one before and didn't like it unless it was a wooden one for some reason.
Instead of messing around with the hydration, just hold back the salt until later in the ferment. The gluten development will be greater than what you are achieving with the extra bread flour when you add the salt into the water with the yeast.
I grew up in New Haven in the 70's and not far from Pepe's. It's still the best pizza on earth! If you're in or around New Haven don't miss Pepe's! Libby's Italian Pastry is 1 block up from Pepe's. Don't miss dessert!
I am a native Nutmegger, born and raised on Pepe's. I didn't realize that other pizza was not like ours until we went on a road trip to the South as a kid. Which is why I now refuse to eat pizza outside of New Haven County.
there's great pizza everywhere. you are seriously missing out if you're not even going to consider NYC or NJ (for starters). oh, well. more for the rest of us
I highly recommend using canned tomatoes that dont have calcium chloride in them, taste them side by side with a can that doesn't like Cento DOP and you will never use those again.
A thing you'll notice in new haven pizzerias is that the dough is on the peel for very little time, about a minute at the most, quick assembly and then into the heat before the semolina has a chance to even think about integrating into the dough. Homespun tip for reducing time on the peel: scatter the pecorino onto the sauce first and then use deli-sliced mozzarella, not shredded, it goes on in a fraction of the time and the sauce still bubbles-through.
Can confirm this. Where I worked we used a deli slicer to prep our mozzarella. We also used corn meal on our wood peels to keep the dough from sticking. Our customers mistook it for granulated garlic all the time, though 😜
Interesting review. You made a comment regarding "Modern" that the dough tasted more "fermented". I saw the doc on NH Pizzerias, and the owner of bar said something to the effect that they use the "mother", which I know has something to do with how they create the dough there. I love all three. Sally's, to me, is the best, Pepe's, a very close second, and Modern is also excellent, but doesn't quite get to the level of the other two. I describe Modern as a more "approachable" Pizza for novices that have never been to Wooster St. before.
MARTIN, of the 3 pizzas you tried, which one qas your favorite? You ahould also do a Trenton/Philly area pizza. DELORENZOS is my favorite pizza but Angelos is very good too.
This video is criminally under rated and criminally under-viewed for good technique. It's really good. The only two things, no rolling pin ever and you need a browning agent because you don't have the heat. Even 4 days cold ferment, longer time in the oven like you did, will not make up for no browning agent. If you add a browning agent, hand stretch, knock the cooking time down, this would be very good.
@@KingArthurBakingCompany this is one of the best dough videos I've seen that comes close to explaining commercial process. Just new haven is finger tips only to stretch out, light touch even with speed, not much pressure. Even though it's not "traditional" home oven definitely needs some help, but I know it's an added complication adding extra sugars to your ratio. New Haven being 8-10 mins @ 650f is why they get away without additives and much shorter fermentation. For all pizza if no expense of quality, it's always good going for long fermentation and lowest possible GI IMO.
Hi Jo! When getting proofing containers for this recipe, look out for ones that measure 5" wide (at the base) and about 3.5" high. Anything with those dimensions (that's also airtight) will work! These specific containers likely came from our local grocery store, Hannaford's, so if there's one near you I'd suggest checking there! -🍰Grace
My broiler is underneath my oven and the pizza won’t fit in there. Any tips to getting that crisp on top if I can’t use the broiler section of the cooking process
If you happen to have a baking torch, that would be an option to crisp post-bake. Otherwise, you could move the pizza to a higher rack in the oven so that the bottom doesn't receive as much heat but the pizza still bakes. Hoping this helps, -🥐Lily
Hmm.... I need to figure out a simple way to wrap my mind around the "hydration" of dough... So like, if I made pizza dough, and I had 500 grams of flour, if I used 250 grams of water, would that be 50% hydration? (ignoring any sugar, yeast, oil, I might add?)
Basically! 😊 You have the general concept down. For more about dough hydration, we have a guide, here: www.kingarthurbaking.com/blog/2023/01/11/bread-hydration. Happy baking! -🥐Lily
This looks perfect! I was planning on making pizza this week and now I have a new style to try! Just found your channel too, lots of videos I want to watch and food to make! Thanks!
This is a great video, and I will try the recepie - BUT - I have a few nitpicks. (1) New Haven pizza is built on a foundation of “Tomato Pie” as the gold standard, no mozzarella is used. A moz pie exists in all the shops (as shown in your Peppe’s experience), but it is considered a second class citizen in New Haven. Some claim asking for a Moz pie is a sin 😂 (2) Martin’s results remind me more of the cracker style found in Chicago / North Eastern tavern style pizza. I hope Martin decides to come back to us with a true tomato pie style for home, I will be super jazzed if he can reduce the “cracker” component (admittedly that may be impossible in a standard home oven, but I am crossing my fingers!)
Regional accents are always so fascinating! Especially when it comes to town names. Here in Vermont we can always tell whether someone is local by how they pronounce the name of the town Charlotte. (It's shar-LOT) -🍮Kat
To sum it up- For thick, chewy pan pizzas: Bread flour. For pizza with a crispy, bubbly exterior and a puffy, airy interior: '00' pizza flour. You can read more on the topic here: www.kingarthurbaking.com/blog/2024/03/13/which-flour-is-best-for-your-pizza -🍰Grace
I tried something on a whim and it turned out great, so I thought I'd pass it on. If you use 1/4 00 flour, you get the best of both worlds. It will make the dough less 'workable' overall, but not by a noticeable margin and it stretches just fine. This is honestly the best dough recipe I've ever found (I use 3/4 bread flour and 1/4 00 flour) ua-cam.com/video/caqAXi4mOy8/v-deo.htmlsi=NtoqzWI8IXprhJki . I use 1/2 the salt called for and replace the other half with msg. Less overall sodium and it tastes great! I do the same with the sauce as well. Best pizza I've ever had and it came from my own oven.
Thanks for the clarification! At 4:57 of this video, Martin explains the difference: it's all about the protein content of the flour (gluten-formation potential). Bread Flour is higher in protein content than "00" Flour, so it's able to stretch more without tearing. Please let us know if this helps. 🍕 -🥐Lily
We're honored you stopped by!
Thank you for having us and for making such phenomenal pizza! 🍕💕 -🍰Grace
"This is a no flop situation."
This is a no flop channel, every episode is a banger! Keep up the great work!
Thanks for sharing your slice of praise! 🙌🍕 -🥐Lily
I am originally from MA. I never had pizza from CT. I am a retired exec chef that got my start making pizza at 16 yrs. old at a place called the Sorrento Room. Those pizzeria s ŕeally bring me back. I have been living in MT for 25 years. Whenever I get to CT again I will get some pizza. I really enjoy your videos!
Thanks for watching, Brian! 🍕💕 -🍰Grace
You need to take a Road trip one day…you won’t be disappointed
Great story, Brian. Check Pepe's and Sally's websites - they have other locations in or closer to MA. Of course nothing beats the original spots.
Yes please do! I'm biased but we do have the best pizza in CT. Colony Grill especially is phenomenal
@@willcookmakeupthey tried to open a Colony grill in Avon, which is kind of like the New Canaan of the Hartford metro area, it bombed and closed within a few months.
Too bad, it is a classic.
Here's a tip. Build the pizza on a wood peel, much less likely to stick than metal. Then use metal peel for removing the pizza.
Yes, with semolina flour on the peel. Slides off like it’s on ball bearings.
I live just outside of New Haven, and let me tell you how lucky you were to get into Pepe's! There's usually a very long line of people waiting to get in. Pepe's and Modern are my favorites. Without the char on the crust it's just plain old pizza. That char makes it New Haven Apizza.
The more we learn about making pizza the more that we realize we are going to want to learn more. As always Thank You for another great video by Martin!
We're proud to keep the passion for pizza alive and hungry! 🍕 -🥐Lily
This a very special Type of pizza and it’s preparation is light and Martin you are so relaxed and so tender with the dough. The finish looks so delicate and delicious.
Had to move back to CT a few years back and I’m not mad about all the amazing Pizza here. Also I prefer Sally’s over Pepe’s, but really love Modern the most
🍕🍕🍕 -🥐Lily
this is correct.
I agree with you. That said, due to the competition I’m pretty sure there’s an unknown pizza joint elsewhere in CT that might actually surpass those famous places
Your approach to drawing the tomatoes solved my problem, and your spot on that it’s a no-cook sauce. While it looks great, it’s too crackery to be NH style.
You are correct. His crust was way too crunchy to be NH style. Pepe’s and Sally’s have a lot of chew all through the dough and it is not wafer thin.
OMG I went to CT in September and tried pizza from the little rendezvous and have been craving the pizza since , thanks so much for the videos will be making the dough tomorrow:) I also went to NH and made my stop at King Arthur to stock up on Supplies,i used to go all the time when I lived in NH but I now live in VA and hope tp move back top NH soon.
Brilliant timing, Cheryl! Please let us know what you think of our recipe. 😊 If you happen to live within driving distance of Fairfax, VA, we have a pop-up retail-only location there until the end of July 2025! www.kingarthurbaking.com/visit/fairfax-va Maybe we will see you again soon, after all! -🥐Lily
I was in Stamford a couple weeks ago and since I had always heard about New Haven pizza so I was glad to find a Pepe's branch in town. Pizza was very good, uniquely crisp as you described. I also immediately picked up on the trace of pecorino cheese like you did at the third pizzeria. That made it a lot more interesting than straight mozz.
It’s a couple low key spots in Stamford that people sleep on
Way off-topic, but love your boots! Also, ‘love’ 🙄 reading all the comments telling you how you’re doing it wrong - yet not sharing THEIR perfect videos.
Pizza is a diverse and ever changing concept! I understand why that people will always have their say for that very reason, but thank you for your solidarity! And for the compliment on the boots, I'll pass it along to Martin! 🥾 -🍰Grace
Your videos are always very helpful and inspiring, keep up the good work!
We're so glad you enjoy them - thanks for watching! -👩🍳Morgan
Thanks for the visit and recipe. Pepe's and Sally's have multiple locations outside of New Haven. The Pepe's in Manchester, CT makes a pizza that was just as shown and described in the video.
How long has Pepe's been in Manchester?!
Respectfully, the Peppe’s chain locations are very good - but not at all like the original. It’s possible to mimic, but not replicate, a 100+ year old coal oven in constant use - that is what makes New Haven so special.
@@SusieCambriaalmost 20 years now. It's over by the mall and Target
Martin has to come visit our extremely popular pizza place! It’s called Baba Louie’s and they have sourdough pizza crust and local cheese’s, vegetables and meat! The starter they use is over 50 years old and the dough can also be purchased. We aren’t that far from Vermont. The Berkshire’s in western Massachusetts (Great Barrington).
If you go to South Philly head over to City Pizza at Front and Snyder or their other location at 16th and Oregon ave. Both spots are not very far from each other. Or Cacia's Bakery at 1526 w Ritner st.
Thanks for sharing your fav pizza spots! 🍕🍕🍕 -👩🍳Morgan
In CT and we will drive 35 minutes to New Haven if we are craving pizza. Nothing like it! Modern and Sally's are the faves!
Thank you for the high quality close-up shots of these pies. I've always been fascinated by New Haven pizza but it's too far away from me to come try. Great video by Martin as usual!
Martin and Tucker sure make a fabulous team! -🥐Lily
Hypothetically, you could achieve similar results using a Weber kettle. Other than being stretched thin, what makes New Haven pizza so crispy is the use of charcoal. I worked with a hybrid oven that used gas heat on one side for consistency and a pile of anthracite coal and mesquite lump charcoal on the other. For a Weber you don’t need anthracite - we only needed it because charcoal and gas alone wasn’t gonna heat up the large oven to the 350 F we needed.
As much as I enjoy New Haven pizza, I might actually like some other pizza spots outside of New Haven more. Like Zuppardis pizza in West Haven
Just get Turkish Flatbread 🫓 add what you want heat it and. Simple. Done in 5 min at 375 or until bread becomes crisp. Use olive oil on both sides before you cook it with a choice of topping and sauce
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That sounds delish, Ali! Thanks for sharing! -🥐Lily
Not near New Haven anymore. Many a trip to get a New Haven pizza after being at the cape for the weekend. Been making pizza for 30+ years at home even in the midst of great pizza places. Will try this soon.
“It’s so thin, it’s like there are almost no calories” 🤣 great vid as usual - I’ll be at my fave New Haven style pizza place this week now I am craving it even more!
Sally's is by far the best of the 3. Gotta eat it at restaurant. No box.
Thanks for the tip, Robbie. 😊 What makes it best when fresh? -🥐Lily
I’ve had Sally’s on several occasions (.to go and dine in). It’s decent but way overhyped bc of portnoy.
I like both sallys and frank pepe but I prefer sallys I feel the sauce has something else there but maybe I'm wrong . Can't go wrong with either one
I thought modern was the best
I planned a pizza road trip a few years ago through Philly, Jersey, NY, and CT. There was Sally’s and then there was everybody else. As close as I’ve come to perfection.
This is my introduction to the channel. You have a lovely cadence and the makings of a fine teacher.
Welcome, An So! We're glad that Martin could inspire you. 😊 Please let us know if you try this recipe, or however we can assist your baking adventures! -🥐Lily
Martin if you want thin pizza you should try Rubino's Pizza in Bexley OH. They've been making an amazing thin pizza for 70 years and they have a national following
The Upper Valley is in desperate need of a good pizzeria. Neapolitan, New Haven, New York, Roman, it doesn't matter. Just something quality 🍕
This is just a great, amazing video! I learned SO much!!! Thank you! And I am full on a King Arthur fan already!
Again, thank you. Amazing!
We're so glad you enjoyed this video, Van! Thanks for making us a part of your baking adventures. 🧡 -👩🍳Morgan
My favorite pizza, thank you for sharing the recipe 🍕😋
It's our pleasure, Filo! Please share a slice of how your bake goes! -🥐Lily
I love thin crust pizzas it took me a while to get it down with the ingredients available to me. Yours looks beautiful.
Thanks! -🍮Kat
Everybody's been raving about the New Haven lately due to the One Bite Pizza you tube reviews by Dave Portnoy and each pie from these so-called go-to places; Sally's, Frank Pepe's and Modern all drooped and were observed as being chewy. These examples are on par with Chicago Style thin crust and the only difference is the style of cut with the New Haven being pie cut whereas in Chicago they traditionally cut pies into small single hand manageable squares.
In the end, there is no one style for all just as some folks love rustic Italian bread with a hearty crust while others prefer a light and fluffy focaccia style bread for their sandwiches. King Arthur offers good choices for all baking needs and that's why it's popular. Thanks for sharing and giving home bakers and aspiring pizzaiolo's some insight. Cheers!
There's a pizza out there for everyone! 🍕💕 -🍰Grace
I like pizza and make your own pizza, It's better than go to buy at shopping and thank you for sharing this bread recipe❤❤❤
It's our pleasure! Please let us know how your bake goes. 🙌🍕 -🥐Lily
You can use parchment to make sure you don't mess up the transition to the oven. Just slide your pizza steel under the dough Once the dough has set in the oven for a few minutes and remove the parchment before it burns
Thanks for the tip! We're glad that you found your groove with this recipe 🙌 -🥐Lily
Heres a tip for YOU! Use a mill or hand crush the tomatoes. If you use anything electric, it will crush the tomato seeds, making the sauce bitter.
Interestingly enough, the idea that tomato seeds are bitter isn't actually validated by science! But in case you happen to be sensitive to textures, you can rest assured that, leaving seeds whole or crushing them will not alter their taste significantly, given that they'll be cooked in regardless. Do whichever makes your heart happy! 🥰 -🍮Kat
"You've gotta go in there!" doesn't go in there. lel. Looks good!
Haha it was probably too crowded to film inside the shop! All the more reason to give it a visit and see/taste the pizza for yourself! -🍰Grace
This style of video is great!
Great video--excited to try. One question though---the mass of dough looks like it made enough for four pizzas. How much sauce did the can of tomatoes make (in oz)? It was said that the sauce is enough for two pizzas, but what about the other two? Do they need an additional sauce batch? Thanks!
Hi there! Our New Haven-Style Pizza recipe makes two pizzas that are approximately 13" in diameter, for this one 28-ounce can (794g) of whole peeled tomatoes is enough. Martin made extra pizzas in the studio, you're welcome to double the recipe as well if you need more pies! -👩🍳Morgan
It would be nice if you showed how it's done in a real pizza oven PLUS a home oven so different levels of pizza enthusiasts can get closer to the real thing
I'll happily pass that request along! -🍮Kat
I grew up in CT in the 70s and 80s and was fortunate to be able to go to New Haven all during my days down there (we were regulars at Pepe’s). I love your content and this video was a great surprise! Thank you for doing this (I live in central NH and don’t get down as often anymore). Quick question … what scale are u using? Just curious … my wife has an in home bakery and we are looking at scales … always interested in what other people are using. Thanks again for the content!
We're glad you're enjoying the video, Papa! Martin's using this scale in the video: shop.kingarthurbaking.com/items/kd-7000-digital-scale, and we have others to browse, here: kingarthurbaking.com/search?query=scale#bc_product_index. Please let us know how else we may help! -🥐Lily
I made this using Pizza Stones in my conventional home oven and had great results. If you like this, you'll also like the Lucali recreation by Kitchen and Craft on youtube. Really good job to the Martin, but I would say, as far as Tomatoes, I highly recommend getting the Cento or even the Costco "San Marzano" tomatoes. It makes all the difference in the sauce. Also if you can use a stainless steel hand miller for the tomatoes it works to great effect, just don't ever want to overblend them.
appreciate the post, really good dough!
Thanks for sharing, Jesse! -🍰Grace
Did you make the Lucali version if so which one did you like better? Just curious
My comments were regarding pizza Bianca, but I am anxious to learn your other kinds of pizzas.
We welcome you to browse through our channel for "pizza" 😊 We also offer an On-Demand baking class available - taught by Martin! - to purchase and have on-hand for whenever you'd like to watch! www.kingarthurbaking.com/baking-school/classes?loc=%22on_demand%22 Happy baking! -🥐Lily
Nice video! I'll be taking your pizza course at the beginning of December, so I can ask this there, but do you find that an autolyze step for the dough makes much difference in the strength? I usually do that, but I'm not sure if it makes much difference.
We're excited to meet you, Craig! We're happy to delve further when we see you. 😊 Autolyse makes the dough more extendable and easier to work with, for sure! If you appreciate the difference then it's definitely worth continuing. Until we see you in December, we have more information about autolyse, here: kingarthurbaking.com/blog/2017/09/29/autolyse-sourdough#to-autolyse. Happy baking! -🥐Lily
Thank you for this!
It's our pleasure, Danski! Happy baking 🍕 -🥐Lily
Modern is naturally leavened, I hate the American word, sourdough, but that's what it is. Also, hydration for New Haven pizza is closer to 70%. And no rolling pin! I'm a pizza consultant in MA, you should've contacted me because this is not it.
Thanks for sharing, Rich! -🥐Lily
King Arthur: The only choice, in most places.
What if you had a oven like theirs? Do you have a recipe for that? Still going to try this pie
Most of the recipe will still be the same! It's just the baking time that will differ. -🍮Kat
Pepe’s makes the best clam casino, you should of had it.
I drive by all of these places multiple times a day. Outside of the New Haven 3, there are another dozen pizza places in and around New Haven that are just as good, and sometimes better (specialty pizzas)
Nice! -🍮Kat
Parking in front? That's as rare as pink unicorns. Seriously. It almost never happens.
I'm so excited to try this!
We'd be delighted to know what you think of it! -🥐Lily
Hello ! What a great channel !
Can I suggest that you put your baking steel on the lower rack and put a stone or steel on the top rack. Let the oven heat up for an hour at 550 degrees F or 288 C .
Next step is to launch your pizza on the top rack at High Broil for 2 minutes ! You'll be amazed at how awesome it quickly looks just like in a 900 degree oven. Then put the pizza on the lower rack at Bake 550 F - 288 C for 2 more minutes 3 max depending on your oven !...............Done !! The advantage is that you get the char and taste without beeing dry staying too long in the oven.
I'm an Italian from Quebec , I'm very passionate about my pizza but I can't take the credit for this , this trick came from a guy named Andris here on YT and he changed my pizza game forever ! ........You let me know ! Oh ! Almost forgot , get a perforated peel and shake it before so all the floor gets out of there and doesn't taste weird, I used a non perforated one before and didn't like it unless it was a wooden one for some reason.
We're glad you enjoyed this new video, Lou, and thanks for sharing your favorite pizza tips! -👩🍳Morgan
Very happy to be here and lurn with a great teacher !
Great KAB video as always. Only one problem with the method demonstrated here. Martin didn't make 4 extra for me.
He didn't make any for me either now that you mention it 🤔 -🍰Grace
Instead of messing around with the hydration, just hold back the salt until later in the ferment. The gluten development will be greater than what you are achieving with the extra bread flour when you add the salt into the water with the yeast.
Thank you for your suggestion, Eli! I'll pass it along for future reference! -🍰Grace
Looks great!
😋🍕💕 -🍰Grace
Thank you. Can’t wait to try this.❤
We'd be delighted to hear how it goes, Blase! Happy baking 😊 -🥐Lily
Amazing job!
I grew up in New Haven in the 70's and not far from Pepe's.
It's still the best pizza on earth!
If you're in or around New Haven don't miss Pepe's! Libby's Italian Pastry is 1 block up from Pepe's. Don't miss dessert!
Thanks for the suggestion, Dorene! -🍰Grace
First Brad Leone goes to Pepe's, and now this! I guess pizza is in my future.
The stars are aligned! 🍕 -🥐Lily
Can’t wait to try this!
Please share what you think of it, Ayesha! -🥐Lily
There is a new Pepe's location here in Delray Beach, FL. The only thing I've tried so far is the clam pizza.
Thin crust pizza is superior. ✌
I am a native Nutmegger, born and raised on Pepe's. I didn't realize that other pizza was not like ours until we went on a road trip to the South as a kid. Which is why I now refuse to eat pizza outside of New Haven County.
You have quite the pizza origin story, Alex! -🥐Lily
there's great pizza everywhere. you are seriously missing out if you're not even going to consider NYC or NJ (for starters). oh, well. more for the rest of us
Nicely done! I am a huge fan of Apizza and enjoy it whenever I can. Thanks very much for this. Apizzamazing!
🙌🙌🙌 -🍰Grace
I highly recommend using canned tomatoes that dont have calcium chloride in them, taste them side by side with a can that doesn't like Cento DOP and you will never use those again.
Thanks a lot-ah for the tip of tomat-ah! -🥐Lily
A thing you'll notice in new haven pizzerias is that the dough is on the peel for very little time, about a minute at the most, quick assembly and then into the heat before the semolina has a chance to even think about integrating into the dough.
Homespun tip for reducing time on the peel: scatter the pecorino onto the sauce first and then use deli-sliced mozzarella, not shredded, it goes on in a fraction of the time and the sauce still bubbles-through.
Brilliant tip! Thanks for sharing 🍕🍕 -🥐Lily
Can confirm this. Where I worked we used a deli slicer to prep our mozzarella.
We also used corn meal on our wood peels to keep the dough from sticking. Our customers mistook it for granulated garlic all the time, though 😜
That is the secret the balance between cheese crust and sauce. I’m an NYC pro My favorite is Anna Maria’s in Williamsburg 💜
Brilliant, Swami! 😊 -🥐Lily
Interesting review. You made a comment regarding "Modern" that the dough tasted more "fermented". I saw the doc on NH Pizzerias, and the owner of bar said something to the effect that they use the "mother", which I know has something to do with how they create the dough there. I love all three. Sally's, to me, is the best, Pepe's, a very close second, and Modern is also excellent, but doesn't quite get to the level of the other two. I describe Modern as a more "approachable" Pizza for novices that have never been to Wooster St. before.
Thanks for sharing your review, Jay! -🥐Lily
Nice video. Looking forward to more content like this
It's loafly to meet you, Vector! -🥐Lily
If I could recreate Modern's pizza I will be a happy person!
Please let us know if you give our recipe a try! -🥐Lily
There's is nothing like northeast pizza!! 🍕🍕🍕🍕
great video Martin!
So you made a tonda romana
Essentially what New Haven is
Cool. I am from Vermont and make pizza at home
Special Patent King Arthur and All purpose 50/50
Poolish
Semolina for stretching and the bottom of the pizza 🍕
Nice! It's hard to top homemade pizza! 🍕😋 -🍰Grace
MARTIN, of the 3 pizzas you tried, which one qas your favorite? You ahould also do a Trenton/Philly area pizza. DELORENZOS is my favorite pizza but Angelos is very good too.
This video is criminally under rated and criminally under-viewed for good technique.
It's really good.
The only two things, no rolling pin ever and you need a browning agent because you don't have the heat.
Even 4 days cold ferment, longer time in the oven like you did, will not make up for no browning agent.
If you add a browning agent, hand stretch, knock the cooking time down, this would be very good.
Thanks for sharing and thanks for the compliment, Billy! -🍰Grace
@@KingArthurBakingCompany this is one of the best dough videos I've seen that comes close to explaining commercial process.
Just new haven is finger tips only to stretch out, light touch even with speed, not much pressure.
Even though it's not "traditional" home oven definitely needs some help, but I know it's an added complication adding extra sugars to your ratio.
New Haven being 8-10 mins @ 650f is why they get away without additives and much shorter fermentation.
For all pizza if no expense of quality, it's always good going for long fermentation and lowest possible GI IMO.
Martin is the best host.
Love all these but Domenick and Pias in Waterbury CT is best I've had imo
Ah, straining the tomatoes is key. I make my own sauce from whole tomatoes, and sometimes it's too watery. Great note to keep in mind.
We're glad this could help. 😊 Please let us know how your next bake goes! -🥐Lily
I took my granddaughter to Modern yesterday! As we would say when I was a kid in the Bronx - "Thank God we're Italian!!"
💛💛💛 -🍮Kat
Did you film this in the winter?
This was filmed this fall! -👩🍳Morgan
Where do you get the proofing containers?
Hi Jo! When getting proofing containers for this recipe, look out for ones that measure 5" wide (at the base) and about 3.5" high. Anything with those dimensions (that's also airtight) will work! These specific containers likely came from our local grocery store, Hannaford's, so if there's one near you I'd suggest checking there! -🍰Grace
My broiler is underneath my oven and the pizza won’t fit in there. Any tips to getting that crisp on top if I can’t use the broiler section of the cooking process
If you happen to have a baking torch, that would be an option to crisp post-bake. Otherwise, you could move the pizza to a higher rack in the oven so that the bottom doesn't receive as much heat but the pizza still bakes. Hoping this helps, -🥐Lily
Martin is a great teacher, I just his book out from my library, now going to buy the book!
Wonderful, Brenda! Please keep us posted with your bakes from Martin's book. 🙌 -🥐Lily
Next time you need a road trip, come to the Twin Cities and get a 'Sota-style pizza. And then replicate it.
Thanks for the tip! -🍮Kat
Modern is the best Pizza in New Haven , The Best Pizza in CT , is Jerry's in Middletown
That's less NH and more tonda romana. Still looks good tho!
Please share if you give it a try, A N! -🥐Lily
The techniques look solid, but that dough probably needed a bit more time to ferment, other than that this looks solid for a home oven!
Sally's - my favorite
Hmm.... I need to figure out a simple way to wrap my mind around the "hydration" of dough...
So like, if I made pizza dough, and I had 500 grams of flour, if I used 250 grams of water, would that be 50% hydration? (ignoring any sugar, yeast, oil, I might add?)
Basically! 😊 You have the general concept down. For more about dough hydration, we have a guide, here: www.kingarthurbaking.com/blog/2023/01/11/bread-hydration. Happy baking! -🥐Lily
Awesome video
This looks perfect! I was planning on making pizza this week and now I have a new style to try! Just found your channel too, lots of videos I want to watch and food to make! Thanks!
Happy baking! 😊 -🍮Kat
I went to Pepe's pizza when I lived in New Haven 30 years ago. I didn't understand the hype. Then I tried their whole belly clam pizza.... OMG
🙌🙌🙌 -🍰Grace
Can't buy the best mozzarella retail. Grande cheese only sells to restaurants, the cheese is #1 priority imo
This is a great video, and I will try the recepie - BUT - I have a few nitpicks. (1) New Haven pizza is built on a foundation of “Tomato Pie” as the gold standard, no mozzarella is used. A moz pie exists in all the shops (as shown in your Peppe’s experience), but it is considered a second class citizen in New Haven. Some claim asking for a Moz pie is a sin 😂 (2) Martin’s results remind me more of the cracker style found in Chicago / North Eastern tavern style pizza.
I hope Martin decides to come back to us with a true tomato pie style for home, I will be super jazzed if he can reduce the “cracker” component (admittedly that may be impossible in a standard home oven, but I am crossing my fingers!)
Wish you had also gone to Zuppardi's.
What flour do they all use?
do they deliver in Brazil?
Unfortunately, no ☹️ -🍰Grace
@@KingArthurBakingCompany 😓
So, did it taste similarly to the New Haven pizzas?
Sure did! 😋 -🍰Grace
one bite everybody knows the rules
I find it funny to hear him say "NEW haven", where locals would say "new HAVEN" Maybe that's his Vermont accent? (My choice is Modern FTW)
Regional accents are always so fascinating! Especially when it comes to town names. Here in Vermont we can always tell whether someone is local by how they pronounce the name of the town Charlotte. (It's shar-LOT) -🍮Kat
How does bread flour compare to 00? I have both but I usually use 00 for pizza.
To sum it up- For thick, chewy pan pizzas: Bread flour. For pizza with a crispy, bubbly exterior and a puffy, airy interior: '00' pizza flour. You can read more on the topic here: www.kingarthurbaking.com/blog/2024/03/13/which-flour-is-best-for-your-pizza -🍰Grace
I tried something on a whim and it turned out great, so I thought I'd pass it on. If you use 1/4 00 flour, you get the best of both worlds. It will make the dough less 'workable' overall, but not by a noticeable margin and it stretches just fine. This is honestly the best dough recipe I've ever found (I use 3/4 bread flour and 1/4 00 flour) ua-cam.com/video/caqAXi4mOy8/v-deo.htmlsi=NtoqzWI8IXprhJki . I use 1/2 the salt called for and replace the other half with msg. Less overall sodium and it tastes great! I do the same with the sauce as well. Best pizza I've ever had and it came from my own oven.
@@KingArthurBakingCompany thanks but this pizza is neither of those which is why I was asking specifically about this one.
Thanks for the clarification! At 4:57 of this video, Martin explains the difference: it's all about the protein content of the flour (gluten-formation potential). Bread Flour is higher in protein content than "00" Flour, so it's able to stretch more without tearing. Please let us know if this helps. 🍕 -🥐Lily
We're thrilled for you that you found your New Haven style groove! 🙌 -🥐Lily
I lived there 1989-1995!!!! Greetings from Chile. Great pizza!!!!
Perhaps you're due for a visit and a trip down memory lane! -🍰Grace