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  • Did Julian Nagelsmann's starting lineup mistakes ultimately cost Germany vs. Spain? | ESPN FC
    Following Jurgen Klinsmann's comments, Shaka Hislop, Steve Nicol, Steve McManaman and Archie Rhind-Tutt join Dan Thomas on ESPN FC to react to the result of Spain 2-1 Germany (AET) in the UEFA Euro 2024 Quarterfinals.
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  • @offtopic521
    @offtopic521 9 днів тому +117

    They need to stop relitigating this. The two best teams of the tournament duked it out two matches too early and something had to give. End of story.

    • @markai2002
      @markai2002 9 днів тому +24

      Germany was superior for like half the match, including most of overtime
      What cost them was not scoring their clear chances

    • @sebastianwerth2075
      @sebastianwerth2075 9 днів тому +3

      @@markai2002 not given penatly cost us

    • @hsafootballworld1321
      @hsafootballworld1321 8 днів тому +8

      @@markai2002 Spain was the better team until the 60th minute. They were clearly getting the better of Germany.
      After Spain scored, things started to change and Spain went for the wrong tactical approach. They allowed Germany to grow back into the game.

    • @markai2002
      @markai2002 8 днів тому +3

      @@hsafootballworld1321 that's pretty much what I said, but if you check the stats, Germany had more attempts and more big chances
      In the end, Füllkrug and Havertz missed big chances and that's what cost them

    • @Nairam10
      @Nairam10 8 днів тому

      @@hsafootballworld1321 Nah, even before 60th minute Germany had better chances and took control. The young wingers were visibly tired. They played their hearts out in these 60 minutes though. I got nothing but respect for them. However, Spains substitutes (Olmo aside) didn`t have the quality to compete with the likes of Musiala and Wirtz. Sané leaving the pitch was the best thing for Germany to happen.

  • @lucidharmonic8442
    @lucidharmonic8442 9 днів тому +120

    Not starting Wirtz is absurd imo

    • @OrdinaryGatez
      @OrdinaryGatez 9 днів тому +8

      He worked as a super sub well imo

    • @justanothername5199
      @justanothername5199 9 днів тому +10

      And for the utterly useless sane of all people. That's what cost them.

    • @barakesmith-washington6946
      @barakesmith-washington6946 9 днів тому +2

      @@justanothername5199 Sane is tragic because he could be so so much better than he is

    • @justanothername5199
      @justanothername5199 9 днів тому

      @@barakesmith-washington6946 i have never seen anything useful from the guy. . Granted i never followed him at club level. But i honestly never sah a good or even decent Performance feom the guy. How he made the 23 Player squad is beyond me.

    • @Jomgg
      @Jomgg 9 днів тому +3

      @@justanothername5199sane before his injury at city was world class , that acl has really ruined him sadly !

  • @tsimoi273
    @tsimoi273 9 днів тому +98

    The refereeing problem could be solved by not allowing British refs to ref games outside PL.

    • @bernardanyetei4181
      @bernardanyetei4181 9 днів тому +1

      😂😂😂😂 they suck

    • @tyciol9543
      @tyciol9543 8 днів тому +1

      yes how dare those British refs follow uefa guidlines

    • @periquete6557
      @periquete6557 8 днів тому

      El árbitro ficho a favor de Alemania, Kross lesionó a Pedti y no me saco tarjeta

    • @patrickdietzold9915
      @patrickdietzold9915 7 днів тому +1

      ​@@periquete6557😂😂😂A cambio, España jugó a la lucha con los jugadores alemanes durante todo el partido y nunca vio una carta

  • @honnebombll
    @honnebombll 9 днів тому +95

    Maybe it did, but no matter how your buildup is against Spain its always only a 50:50 Chance that the Plan suceeds, at best. But Nagelsmann is the only reason we have reached the Quarterfinals in the first place. Before he came the performance was abysmal and the Games unwatchable . All we asked for was a good fight, not a Title and not to die of boredom when they play. And this he achieved and people are looking forward to again watching the National Team Play.

    • @Leo82870
      @Leo82870 9 днів тому +11

      Great point, I think the ESPN show goes for shock effect and hot takes unfortunately.

    • @maik6516
      @maik6516 9 днів тому +4

      Agree. Obviously we are disappointed about the handball, anyone would be if you are passionate about your team. But we are also aware that we did not play a perfect match. While Can and Sane‘s start was questionable, we don‘t mind it. We all make mistakes, but want we want to see is people owning them and doing their best to adapt. And that is what Nagelsmann did half time. He had 5 substitutions by min 80 and went full attack. Löw or Flick would have had their first substitution by then and stick to their initial plan not wanting to accept that their line up was wrong. Nagelsmann is one of a fee who does that and the way he spoke in the post-match interviews directly hit our hearts. He is an amazing coach and still young. Bright future ahead

    • @Ray03595
      @Ray03595 8 днів тому +1

      agree. theres more reason to be positive about Germany than there has in ages. I dont think there can be much to complain about in terms of Nagelsmann besides trying to sort out the 9 position, where there isn't a clear option for them.

    • @ComradeOgilvy1984
      @ComradeOgilvy1984 8 днів тому

      ​@@Ray03595 On the nose. Compare this German side with 2018, 2020/21, 2022. A lot of improvement in a short span, after years of pitiful football.

  • @abinthomas8412
    @abinthomas8412 9 днів тому +39

    Germany will comeback
    This team is have the fighting spirit in them ,all thanks to julian nagelsmann
    Germany were unfortunate that they met with the best team in this euro too early ,but still they outplayed Spain in 2nd half and extra time and they created more chances than spain ,but lack of good striker still hurts Germany
    Everything else was spot on..
    They came after 1st goal,and had the game in their hand
    High hopes for 26 WC with musiala,writz , Pavloc, stiller,kimmich (should be the captain)and lots of young talents

    • @tyronevaldez-kruger5313
      @tyronevaldez-kruger5313 9 днів тому +3

      At the end Germany is individually better than Spain as England is better than Spain as well. Everything has to come together in football especially in this crazy tournament in which the top nations play strange football

    • @FDODONIRE
      @FDODONIRE 9 днів тому

      ​@@tyronevaldez-kruger5313 sin ganar a España desde el 88.
      ¡A seguir soñando!

    • @PrinceMishkin99999
      @PrinceMishkin99999 9 днів тому +1

      @@tyronevaldez-kruger5313😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @crazechill1
      @crazechill1 8 днів тому

      48 Team WC will make it easier for Germany. Maybe next time they can clear the group stage.

    • @tyronevaldez-kruger5313
      @tyronevaldez-kruger5313 8 днів тому +1

      @@crazechill1meh... to clear the group stage is a goal for Japan but not for the 4 time WC and 3 time Euro winner named ? Say it funny

  • @lamestorming
    @lamestorming 9 днів тому +11

    Nagelsmann did an impressive job. Just keep in mind how Germany played just 4 months back. I hope there are no cognitive issues involved in some people. Havertz is the better option for this front 3 as you could see with Fuellkrug's technical abilities versus Havertz in that match. Also, he didn't score on some good occasions. The tactics were adjusted to Fuellkrug's strengths. Nagelsmann made good adjustments and Germany was the first problematic team Spain had to face. He's a great coach. Havertz, Wirtz, and Musialla are still young and once more cleverness and better scoring is involved, that offensive will cause major trouble for any team. Kroos is hard to replace but Pavlovic and Gross seem good alternatives.

  • @MultiBurger1
    @MultiBurger1 9 днів тому +43

    That was HARD, Germany getting beat like that. Im an 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 fan. I was passionately supporting them. I celebrated their equalizer almost like an 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 goal. Football is amazing but SO cruel , at times

    • @wingedhussar1453
      @wingedhussar1453 9 днів тому +3

      They got veat because spain were much beter. Amevel abobe

    • @sebastianwerth2075
      @sebastianwerth2075 9 днів тому +4

      @@wingedhussar1453 germany was better stop yapping

    • @crazechill1
      @crazechill1 8 днів тому +2

      @@sebastianwerth2075 Germany are better at finding excuses after losing. Spain is clearly the better team.

    • @sebastianwerth2075
      @sebastianwerth2075 8 днів тому +2

      @@crazechill1 whatever lets u sleep better

    • @on3445
      @on3445 8 днів тому +3

      Its nice to see a England fan who also supports Germany. Most england fans hate germany, so thanks!

  • @ishteerashid5458
    @ishteerashid5458 9 днів тому +7

    I was sad that they lost. But no blame to nagelsman. He is the first manager in years to make this team look promising. It was a 50 50 game and obviously an enjoyable one

  • @iainmore3961
    @iainmore3961 9 днів тому +38

    Nope. Germany had plenty of chances and didn't take them.

    • @getwetsoon
      @getwetsoon 9 днів тому

      Unfortunately that’s the truth - havertz sooooo useless , fuellkrug didn’t score neither

    • @dinglshingle
      @dinglshingle 8 днів тому +2

      havertz is so bad at finishing and yet he was played as the 9

  • @whatudoin1
    @whatudoin1 9 днів тому +8

    I actually like the idea of no penalty if the ball is not on target and it's unintentional. Makes it clearer and won't penalize defenders

  • @kamilebrahimoff3589
    @kamilebrahimoff3589 9 днів тому +7

    Nagleman has brought this 🇩🇪 team to the quarter finals as a new coach, so he will improve upon this next time.🇩🇪⚽️

  • @lagranarob-3881
    @lagranarob-3881 9 днів тому +83

    Fullrug needed to play as a starter as well

    • @user-il5mq6tb9m
      @user-il5mq6tb9m 9 днів тому +6

      He misses a lot

    • @GREGGFOWL
      @GREGGFOWL 9 днів тому

      ​@@user-il5mq6tb9m havertz was even worst

    • @lagranarob-3881
      @lagranarob-3881 9 днів тому +13

      @@user-il5mq6tb9m less than Havertz...

    • @user-he2ou2ex2f
      @user-he2ou2ex2f 9 днів тому +12

      If he starts you’ll be crying for him to be a sub. Fickle fans. Germany just bumped into the best team of the tournament.

    • @lagranarob-3881
      @lagranarob-3881 9 днів тому +2

      @@user-he2ou2ex2f there was an obvious handball and thus penalty...

  • @Masta_Roshi77
    @Masta_Roshi77 9 днів тому +5

    Kai Havertz is a complete goof and is not an attacking starter. Idk why ppl have so much faith in him. Florian Wirtz was creating chances all day long and is a complete stud.

  • @billybobthornton9668
    @billybobthornton9668 9 днів тому +15

    Havertz, Musiala, and Wirtz are an attacking trio for the future, this experience will help the team after falling out early in the last tournament. Nagelsman has the credentials to build a really strong team and further improve the system, I think the Germans look a scary prospect for future tournaments!

    • @Hyde_Hill
      @Hyde_Hill 9 днів тому +2

      Yeah with Havertz instead of Gundugan and then a proper striker. Hopefully Moukoko finally fulfills his potential or that Beier lad. How will be the midfield playmaker though instead of Kroos.

    • @Saimah92
      @Saimah92 9 днів тому +4

      Havertz ? Seriously ?

    • @rajibrana7480
      @rajibrana7480 9 днів тому

      maximillian mesldelt that u17guy or maybe paris bruner is the solution hevertz suitable for CAM

    • @crazechill1
      @crazechill1 8 днів тому

      Overrated trio will flop away from home.
      Everyone is great at home.

    • @billybobthornton9668
      @billybobthornton9668 8 днів тому

      @@Saimah92 Yep, he compliments the other players by creating space for them with his movement and he can connect the play with and between them. His finishing is a little hit and miss, but that's true of all but the very very top forwards and he still has plenty of time to develop that further.

  • @jakefelix505
    @jakefelix505 9 днів тому +5

    Germany couldnt do much. Spanish on their day are just good and superior in the world of football

    • @peter-mv5gk
      @peter-mv5gk 8 днів тому +2

      well i guess thats what the history shows doesnt it. 1 Worldcup and 3 european championships...is way superiour to germany having 4 worldcups and 3 euros...:/

    • @benno895
      @benno895 8 днів тому +1

      They were superior at the start of the game but that turned as the game progressed. Just look at the statistics, the germans could've easily ended the game with a victory too, especially if the'd got one of the pens.

  • @lollypoppy3260
    @lollypoppy3260 8 днів тому +3

    Imagine letting Klinsmann rumble about the mistakes Nagelsmann made as Headcoach.
    Klinsmann wouldnt have a positive influence on a sunday League team. How is he still being invited as an expert?

    • @ayobox__
      @ayobox__ 8 днів тому +1

      because hes won the world cup amongst many many accomplishments throughout his career as player/coach. He might know something about futbol, more than the average

    • @lollypoppy3260
      @lollypoppy3260 8 днів тому

      @@ayobox__ Winning something as a player does not make you a good Coach. Klinsmann is a prime example for that. Awful Coach with no intention of owning up to his mistakes and searching all the fault within the players he was Coaching. Check his last Jobs at Hertha BSC or Southkorea.

  • @KoshoShinogi
    @KoshoShinogi 9 днів тому +38

    What cost Germany was not being solid enough defensively. Only 1 clean sheet in 5 games. But I'll take that any day of the week when they play a style of football that's entertaining to watch.

    • @mooboo6603
      @mooboo6603 9 днів тому +4

      Godmode unlock: balance that attack with an ability to defend. This is Julian's task the next two years.

    • @Doasyouseefit4478
      @Doasyouseefit4478 9 днів тому +11

      2 clean sheets against Hungary and Denmark. And remember the goal Scotland scored was an own goal off Rudiger

    • @KoshoShinogi
      @KoshoShinogi 9 днів тому

      @@Doasyouseefit4478 I guess I misremembered Hungary as a 2-1. Still some weaknesses at the back. I wouldn't exactly call Rudiger's own goal a defense of Germany's defense. There are players like Rudiger with mistakes in them. It was him switching off that ultimately resulted in the goal that knocked Germany out of the tournament.

    • @henoc2578
      @henoc2578 9 днів тому +1

      @@KoshoShinogihe’s arguably the best defender in the world. He was conflicted on who to mark and maybe tiredness and lapsed in concentration

    • @jayadevanpk3154
      @jayadevanpk3154 9 днів тому

      Exactly 😢

  • @Rondo2ooo
    @Rondo2ooo 9 днів тому +2

    JN did well and is not to blame. They played better than Spain the second half and extra time. The last minute goal by Spain was bad luck. And well, Taylor being Taylor (penalty).

    • @ComradeOgilvy1984
      @ComradeOgilvy1984 8 днів тому +1

      It is not unreasonable what Nagelsmann said, yet German fans have nothing to complain about. I have seen a lot of referees in this tournament who would have given Kroos three yellow cards, two early in the game and one late. Taylor may not be a great referee but Germany certainly benefited from more than their fair share of dubious calls in this match.
      The German team look like a proper squad now, a huge improvement from 2018, 2020/21, 2022. Nagelsmann should be proud.

  • @fistosravenscroft6651
    @fistosravenscroft6651 9 днів тому +4

    lol what is this? One team had to lose and the other go through, Germany simply just lost a football game

    • @xyzv8640
      @xyzv8640 8 днів тому +2

      You dont seem to understand the whole event/ nature of sports...🧐

  • @football_ix_lovee
    @football_ix_lovee 9 днів тому +7

    Not starting Wirtz was a mistake. He's their most attacking forward, a constant threat towards goal. The second mistake was not starting Andric

    • @escape2nirvana
      @escape2nirvana 9 днів тому

      Don’t forget starting the Turk gundogan

    • @Karma2Babylon
      @Karma2Babylon 9 днів тому

      It should’ve been obvious to him that Spain would attempt to neutralise Kroos’ influence on the game and Andrich had already done enough in previous games to highlight that he’s the guy that clears a space for Kroos. And starting Sane?

  • @brexistentialism7628
    @brexistentialism7628 9 днів тому +4

    Nonsense. Unfortunately, Havertz is not a striker but usually he makes more of these clear chances. He was good in terms of how he played as part of the team but Nagelsmann could have brought Füllkrug from the beginning. It was right to sub off Gündogan so Havertz and Füllkrug played together.

  • @Christopher-ms5ke
    @Christopher-ms5ke 9 днів тому +153

    Havertz played way too much

    • @mooboo6603
      @mooboo6603 9 днів тому +14

      I dont know man. I mean he did everything right except score. I dont think Nailman could know that in advance

    • @elshaddaibent446
      @elshaddaibent446 9 днів тому +21

      ​@mooboo6603 havertz is an average player. He has nice touches but is very average. Even for arsenal, he is praised for his mediocrity. And stats aren't everything in football. Watch a game and how many chances he misses. And how he isn't clinical..he is average.

    • @aa6eheia156
      @aa6eheia156 9 днів тому +9

      ​@@elshaddaibent446 his touches, runs, positioning and hold up play are great that's why every manager plays him more hoping that he would nick one or two of those chances into the net even while knowing he's not a great finisher

    • @elshaddaibent446
      @elshaddaibent446 9 днів тому +9

      @@aa6eheia156 hoping is the main word..the guy is average. I watched embolo for the Swiss score and make good runs and hold up the ball..doesn't make him a great or elite player. He is a good/ average player..same as havertz.

    • @yusufe9465
      @yusufe9465 9 днів тому +15

      @@elshaddaibent446and this is a classic case of overestimating an individuals flaws and underestimating his strengths. The one knock against Havertz is his finishing which is why the games he scores in makes him look elite and when he doesn’t that is what is hyper focused on. Fullkrug is more of a traditional striker, he doesn’t contribute to the other phases of the game but knows how to put the ball into the back of the net. Classic example is check the amount of chances generated during this tournament when Havertz is on/off the pitch, there’s a glaring difference. This is why managers keep on playing him. This is why Madrid tried to sign him the same season Arsenal did and why Chelsea was able to get £65 for him. Furthest thing from an average player. Definitely not an elite striker

  • @roberluancoluanco
    @roberluancoluanco 9 днів тому +3

    Spain won with Nico and Yamal out of the game.
    Spain has various B plans.

    • @benno895
      @benno895 8 днів тому +2

      And plan B is exactly what? Relying on the ref always making every debatable decission in favor of the spanish team? Like in EL or CL?

  • @vitanus
    @vitanus 9 днів тому +4

    It is well!!!! known that both Havertz, but especially Sane, are players who cannot score goals.
    They convert 10% of their 100% chances, this can work on club level (although it doesnt rly) but not during the knockout stages of the WC/EC.
    He tried it against Denmark and it failed miserably.
    To then let them start again against Spain is insane and the first half showed again. He realized his grave mistake and changed the team during half time (Havertz ofc still missed 2 big chances).
    Im not sure if "blaming" Nagelsmann is fair, but he definitly made a mistake.
    You CANNOT have 2/3 of your offense consist of players that are unable to score goals, while also conceding at least 1 goal every single game ...

    • @dinglshingle
      @dinglshingle 8 днів тому

      imo it was lucky they even got to extra time. wirtz was so clutch in that goal. during knockstage it became pretty clear that germany has difficulty actually converting chances created.

  • @xDBooN
    @xDBooN 9 днів тому +3

    Annoying how everyone is framing Nagelsmanns argument wrongly. His main point is that with hand calls in the box it should be evaluated where the ball is going before it's stopped by the hand, so there aren't as many stupid penalties where an arm grazes a ball going to the stands and the focus is on blatant cases where a shot on target is stopped. He only wants the technology for calculating the trajectory of the ball to help the ref make decisions, not for AI to make decisions by itself.

  • @dominikrothkegel6470
    @dominikrothkegel6470 9 днів тому +4

    12 months ago, before Nagelmann, the German team's performance was atrocious. Since the lost semifinal in 2016, maybe the won confed cup 2017, it was harrowing to watch the lackluster attitude of the national team. He managed to put it back on track, after 7-8 years of suffering.

    • @AbiyazAlamChowdhuryRajjo
      @AbiyazAlamChowdhuryRajjo 9 днів тому

      His beginning was not good. Lost against Turkey and Austria but changed when kroos came back. Aside his only win without kroos is against Berhalter USA and even drawer against Mexico.

  • @VISHRUTSHENOY
    @VISHRUTSHENOY 9 днів тому +28

    No, but he could have started Fullkrug and Wirtz instead of Havertz and Sane.

    • @tsimoi273
      @tsimoi273 9 днів тому +3

      Sane played very bad when he started and when he was subbed in. No more sane please. Get rid of him like he got rid of gnabry.

    • @VISHRUTSHENOY
      @VISHRUTSHENOY 9 днів тому +2

      @@tsimoi273 Yeah, maybe he could have brought him as a sub.

    • @kamilebrahimoff3589
      @kamilebrahimoff3589 9 днів тому

      He is a new coach to the German team, so he will figure out next time.🇩🇪⚽️

    • @VISHRUTSHENOY
      @VISHRUTSHENOY 9 днів тому +1

      @@kamilebrahimoff3589 Yes before 2026 World Cup he will improve this team 💯

  • @thewildformosanformosan
    @thewildformosanformosan 9 днів тому +9

    Fulkrug is like strikers like Morientes back in the days, always delivers but always get dropped for so-called destined ones like Fernando Torres simply because they were never meant to write the script

  • @clearyourthirdeye
    @clearyourthirdeye 8 днів тому +1

    5:10 how can you not call that a handball? This is crazy

  • @mitchwilden4538
    @mitchwilden4538 9 днів тому +2

    Havertz needs 10 chances to make a goal

  • @Raskolnikov713
    @Raskolnikov713 9 днів тому +2

    Two really good teams played and it was a very even match. Someone had to win. I would trust Nagelsmann's tactics and decisions over anyone on ESPN FC 10 of out 10 times. Anyone can be a brilliant armchair manager after the fact.

  • @justanothername5199
    @justanothername5199 9 днів тому +5

    What is Sane doing in that starting 11?! That's the question! Wirtz is a million times better. HE made the difference. All others can be dicussed yes, but leaving Wirtz out for the blind Sane is absolutely insane. Why is that guy even in the 23 player squad?

  • @yannick3806
    @yannick3806 8 днів тому +1

    what's wrong with that expert? Coach literally said that that was not the only reason they lost... to then say he pinned it all on the ref... jeez! It is about the score in that moment. and all the other missed chances are pure whataboutism. they have zero to do with that situation, and whether it was a handball or not. it was a pen, and if it had been given, there would have been (naturally) a very good to chance to gain the advantage, with only minutes to go. I'd like to think, as a footballer myself, that 97 out of 100 refs give that penalty. Germans are absolutely right to complain about this. also, no one in the German camp tried to deny the fact that they had numerous other chances.
    stop the sensationalism, ESPN!

  • @BeggSito
    @BeggSito 9 днів тому +1

    not giving a 100% penalty cost germany

  • @ulfanfinneriksen4643
    @ulfanfinneriksen4643 8 днів тому +1

    That's just a guess, but I 100% would have started Wirtz and Musiala together. They were the ones making problems for the defense.

  • @Hhammer
    @Hhammer 9 днів тому +14

    Please if that handball was in an England game this would be talked about for weeks

    • @sivaramlord9151
      @sivaramlord9151 9 днів тому +2

      It will be talked for years. Soon every player has to wear arm sleeves that shines red, if the ball hits the hand, because England was getting injustice.

    • @kamilebrahimoff3589
      @kamilebrahimoff3589 9 днів тому

      True

  • @markpeters128
    @markpeters128 8 днів тому +1

    So every defender should start with their arms up high, when the shot comes in you can try to punch away the ball in a downward movement? Its crazy to me how this isnt a penalty for these guys especially if you see the other spaniard correctly already having his hands behind his back. The handballer clearly just had a mental laps which should be punished by a penalty. Its one of the clearest handballs in the game! fight me! :)

  • @gabrielcoe-archer8818
    @gabrielcoe-archer8818 9 днів тому +7

    Why is EVERYONE talking about the penalty and NOBODY talks about the fact that Fullkrug hit it with his hand before Cucurella??
    It's a clear handball by Fullkrug and threfore there is no penalty.
    COME ON IS EASY TO UNDERSTAND

    • @benno895
      @benno895 8 днів тому +2

      He hit it with his shoulder, same lame excuse by a furia corrupta fan like the potential "offside"

    • @benno895
      @benno895 8 днів тому

      It wasn't a handball by Füllkrug, it's the same lame excuse like saying he was offside. If he hit the ball with his hand there would've been a free kick for Spain instead of the ball continuing to stay in german possetion

    • @luistorrent4905
      @luistorrent4905 8 днів тому

      @@benno895 HAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHA, sure that was the shoulder

  • @makenvaega
    @makenvaega 9 днів тому +2

    Regardless what the rules say, this handball feels more like a penalty than the Denmark one. Downward but clearly away from the body, and clearly goal-bound.
    Even if it wasn't the crucial goal, I'm sad we missed out on what would have been a rocket of a Musiala goal 😢

  • @Youafool500
    @Youafool500 9 днів тому +1

    Playing Sane was silly, why he reverted back to having him in the team needs to be questioned. Sane is all speed and no brain, can’t trust players like that

  • @user-kt2zx4iv4f
    @user-kt2zx4iv4f 9 днів тому +1

    Germany had chances even at the very last. They blew it.

  • @sbslm1
    @sbslm1 9 днів тому +1

    Havertz was very bad, he lost a lot of good chances in that game

  • @Jahanzeb778
    @Jahanzeb778 9 днів тому +1

    Agree with klinsmann,why would you take out your Captain and leader after 50 minutes,gundogan deserves more respect than that

  • @adamzimmer762
    @adamzimmer762 9 днів тому +2

    Summer of 24, when Germany got their team back

  • @wokeaf1337
    @wokeaf1337 9 днів тому +5

    We would like to replace all of those pundits with AI.

    • @tsimoi273
      @tsimoi273 9 днів тому

      Yes, yes, yes. Tired of low IQ, lazy, racist pundits.

  • @speedygonzales6966
    @speedygonzales6966 8 днів тому

    Yes, but as long as you are discussing the controversial penalty decision, you are not discussing the coach's mistakes

  • @TheGauravkumarrathore
    @TheGauravkumarrathore 9 днів тому +5

    Havertz was kept on missing multiple good chances in multiple matches, and it caused the elimination against Spain who is a solid defensive team, needed a solid physical no. 9 like Füllkurg upfront from the start. And the concerning goal scoring form of Sane & his fitness, Writz should've started ! Then CAN, who wasn't even selected in the initial squad, started in QF in place of Andrich ? The playing XI should've been settled same for the automatism plays. Still Nagelsmann ball was amazing throughout the tournament but these starting xi problems hampered Germany ~

  • @SNP-1999
    @SNP-1999 8 днів тому +2

    Germany and Spain were the only two of the "major" teams at these Euros who played anything like what people expect of such highly paid sportsmen. France, England, Netherlands, Italy, Belgium, all look(ed) as if they either couldn't be bothered being there in the first place and/or were totally exhausted even in the first match of the Tournament. France will most probably get to the finals without scoring one single goal from regular play, and win after 120 minutes with no goal scored sgain, in a penalty shoot out. It is enough to cry out loud, it really is. And I won't even get into the discussion about England's abysmal performance up to now because I am English and still have an ounce of pride left....(if England actually wins this Euros, nobody will even want to let this kind of football come home !).

    • @xyzv8640
      @xyzv8640 8 днів тому +1

      Amenl Germany meeting spain was the two best teams facing each other
      ...in the quarter finals 😥

    • @dfl2829
      @dfl2829 7 днів тому +1

      Being from Germany, I am loving these comments ❤️🇩🇪.

  • @readingbook2797
    @readingbook2797 9 днів тому +8

    Sane played very bad as well as havertz...if they played better then germany might have won ..

  • @ac14cmpunk25
    @ac14cmpunk25 9 днів тому +1

    Havertz is the Problem

  • @musashimiyamoto586
    @musashimiyamoto586 8 днів тому

    What are you talking about? Take your chances? If Cucurella hadn't stopped the ball it probably would have gone in and put Germany in the lead. And then Spain would have to go all in. And it was one of the clearer penalties in the last tournaments, too.

  • @bkice78
    @bkice78 9 днів тому +2

    Why was Sane starting??

    • @getwetsoon
      @getwetsoon 9 днів тому

      No one knows . I was shocked before the game even started when I saw the line up and knew with sane Instead of wirtz they willl loose

  • @darrenmcclellan9869
    @darrenmcclellan9869 8 днів тому

    Fullkrug coming on way to late way to many games. He’s the new Miroslav Klose. Fullkrug can making something out half chances and so forth. Sane starting was absolutely bewildering. Was happy to see Emre Can start but ultimately disappointed by that decision as the game went on.

  • @makenvaega
    @makenvaega 9 днів тому +1

    Sane was a mistake, but Havertz I understand.
    I love Fullkrug, but he's not very useful outside the opponent's penalty box. Lots of link up and hold up plays lost in what would have been promising attacks. Havertz excels in those, but sucks at finishing. But one would think that should be fine considering he has Musiala, Gundogan, Wirtz behind him.
    Likewise, Fullkrug coming on and Havertz shifting to Gundogan's space was a good call.

  • @sobaaasobaaa8564
    @sobaaasobaaa8564 9 днів тому +2

    That would be a very poor analysis

  • @ab-uo6rd
    @ab-uo6rd 8 днів тому

    As a layer it boggles my mind how the handball from denmark resulted in a pen and that from spain did not. They really need to bring some serious consistency into that matter.

  • @fightingforce8498
    @fightingforce8498 9 днів тому +1

    kroos should have been sent off!

  • @sunchung4957
    @sunchung4957 9 днів тому +1

    Starting Sane to match Williams pace was the problem he is wasteful

  • @monochromaticspider
    @monochromaticspider 8 днів тому

    Nagel shouldn't whine about not getting a penalty because a player shot a ball onto the hand of an opposing player from pretty close range. It is not becoming and Germany already got one such ridiculous penalty. Asking for a second makes it sound like he's expecting to be bailed out. It's not simply where the ball is going, it's whether the opposing player has any chance whatsoever of not getting hit on the arm. And it just isn't reasonable to expect defenders to run around with their hands behind their back.

  • @NomadJoe0323
    @NomadJoe0323 9 днів тому +1

    When I think of AI I think of Stevie Nicol 😂

  • @Wladislav
    @Wladislav 8 днів тому

    Nagelsmann messed up with his starting lineup, but de la fuente messed up with his subs, so it all evens out.

  • @compballrsa
    @compballrsa 9 днів тому +1

    Do you guys hate Spain or something? If you are not talking about England it's Germany, how about talking about the best in-tournament team?

    • @MatthiasLetsch
      @MatthiasLetsch 9 днів тому +2

      Spain kicked Germany out, so naturally I'm not really in favour of them, but at least I have to admit that they are the best team in the tournament now and they are playing attractive football. So I wouldn't be mad if they win the trophy because they definitely deserve it.
      In fact I am even more frustrated about the fact that England is still in with their abysmal Anti-football playing style. France isn't convincing either. You shouldn't have the chance to win the Euros by delivering a performance that puts you to sleep. So Netherlands against Spain would be a satisfying finale and may the better team win then...

    • @crusader77_retro
      @crusader77_retro 8 днів тому

      Spaniards don't watch this show... it's even normal, the audience is from northern Europe.

  • @hbpu2156
    @hbpu2156 9 днів тому +9

    I don’t know if there’s an offside in the buildup to that Handball but I think that was a daylight robbery and Tony C not getting at least a yellow.

    • @latinonic1
      @latinonic1 9 днів тому +3

      How can you talk about Daylight robbery if you are not sure about the offside position of Fullkrug?.

    • @hbpu2156
      @hbpu2156 9 днів тому +7

      @@latinonic1 Look, The official never mentioned about someone’s being offside, it’s based rather on intentional or unintentional handball so if their decision was sorely based on a player’s intention then I think It’s a daylight robbery, because The ball clearly hit the Spanish player’s hand I think was in unnatural position. There’re many cases that this kind of handball was being given a penalty.

    • @latinonic1
      @latinonic1 9 днів тому +2

      @@hbpu2156 There is a lot of talk even TV anchors claiming they saw an offside of Fullkrug. Furthermore, it was a RED CARD for Tony Kross for that game and tournament ending foul.

    • @hbpu2156
      @hbpu2156 9 днів тому +4

      @@latinonic1 well, the Official, the Refs and VARs made the decision not because of that. They just thought that it was unworthy to be given a penalty because it was / seemed unintentional. 🥴
      And Just FYI, FullKrug wasn’t offside, the Spanish No. 4 was ahead of him when the ball was bend over, Watch it again if you don’t believe me.

    • @NWbeats
      @NWbeats 9 днів тому

      ​@@latinonic1 There was no decision about an offside by the refs or var. Which is also why the game continued with a throw in for Germany instead of a free kick from the Spanish keeper. The referee also gestured that he saw that his arm was close to his body which wasn't true. It's ridiculous that the ref didn't check the footage.

  • @pablocastromartinez4763
    @pablocastromartinez4763 7 днів тому

    I dont think Nagelsman make mistakes in the lineup, or changing Gundogan. It was a very close game, Spain lost a Lot of danger taking out Nico and Lamine....and of course we should talk about the clear penalti from Cucurella.... THAT'S the big mistake in the game....i think Germany just did not have any luck in this game... that's all....they played an excellent game

  • @SP-xx7ul
    @SP-xx7ul 9 днів тому

    Anyone who ever played football know that it was a penalty, if the rule is saying something else, then we need to question the existing rules.
    The ball was shot towards goal and it could be a goal if there was no handball. That is the key point.
    I get it, if the hand is close to body, but it was not the case, the hand was wider and seperated from the body.
    But Like Nagelsmann said, that was not the only reason that Germany lost!

  • @GZMJr
    @GZMJr 9 днів тому +3

    So why wasn’t it a penalty?

    • @fotomats8651
      @fotomats8651 9 днів тому

      Because of a spanish Team

    • @stavroshadjiyiannis6283
      @stavroshadjiyiannis6283 9 днів тому +1

      Fullkrug was offside in the proceeding play.

    • @GZMJr
      @GZMJr 9 днів тому

      @@fotomats8651 What are you on about? The Spanish LB touched the ball with his hand away from the body.

    • @GZMJr
      @GZMJr 9 днів тому +1

      @@stavroshadjiyiannis6283 Send me a highlight? They didn’t show VAR during the game 😳

    • @PrinceMishkin99999
      @PrinceMishkin99999 9 днів тому +1

      It was OFFSIDE before, kid. How tiring it is to repeat this, OMG 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @maxvain
    @maxvain 9 днів тому +1

    Cricket and Tennis use Hawk Eye technology

  • @Paul-zs7rd
    @Paul-zs7rd 9 днів тому

    Germany scuffed their chances when they had them

  • @TechCrazy
    @TechCrazy 9 днів тому +5

    What nonsense. No one is talking about Toni Kroos hard tackle of Pedri?

    • @FrederickJohnSebastian
      @FrederickJohnSebastian 9 днів тому +3

      Sorry, did Kroos stop a direct shot on goal with his hand? Didn't think so.

    • @fightingforce8498
      @fightingforce8498 9 днів тому +2

      @@FrederickJohnSebastian clown

    • @benno895
      @benno895 8 днів тому +3

      Why is nobody taking about the not given yellow for Nachos diva dive or the second yellow for Unai Simon for repeated time play or the straight red for Carvajal for throwwing a punch in Mursialas face?

  • @mazharamit9060
    @mazharamit9060 9 днів тому +5

    Sane was the actual problem
    German problem

  • @stevieknust
    @stevieknust 8 днів тому

    To answer the question of the title: The ref did

  • @milkatuc220
    @milkatuc220 9 днів тому +1

    I was confused as soon as I saw the line-up. I thought musiala/wirtz magic is the only thing, that can make us win this game and I was right. Wirtz scored the equalizer and musiala got us the penalty. (which wasnt given, but that doesnt matter to the point) Instead he chooses Sané and Can, instead of Wirtz and Andrich (Leverkusen) for the first half, who were both invisible.

  • @Shclfrd
    @Shclfrd 9 днів тому

    “Just signed a new contract”😂😂😂

  • @farizfadillah8343
    @farizfadillah8343 9 днів тому +1

    The risk of having too many good players. Why didn't you call A, why didn't you start with B, why you replaced C and bla bla bla

  • @IscoAlcornMadridStarforever
    @IscoAlcornMadridStarforever 9 днів тому +12

    I think the starting XI from Naglesman was perfect but i think Spain where just lucky

    • @Triple_X_X
      @Triple_X_X 9 днів тому +1

      That's 30% football kid 😂

    • @stnbch3025
      @stnbch3025 9 днів тому +5

      Lucky how? Germany got lucky with how bad Spain their substitutions were.

    • @furrycheetah
      @furrycheetah 9 днів тому

      Miracle

  • @jcabels
    @jcabels 7 днів тому

    The italian head referee for the Euros Rosetti is to blame. I want to see a clear penalty for Engand not being given, and then listen to you pundits! For people who speak German and want to listen to commentaries of someone who actually has competence, look up MARCEL REIF. He knows what he is talking about, he understands the game like no other. These ESPN boys are a joke.

  • @tsimoi273
    @tsimoi273 9 днів тому +1

    5:36 100% agree with Archie. Any AI can read better than Dan actually elementary school students can read better than Dan.

  • @Greenguardian27
    @Greenguardian27 8 днів тому

    Archie absolutely cooking Dan here 5:20 🤣🤣🤣

  • @fabstar910
    @fabstar910 8 днів тому

    Germany was better, but didn't take their chances and the referee didn't help. That was a pen.

  • @electricdreamer
    @electricdreamer 9 днів тому

    The problem is not gundogan. It's havertz.

  • @javierlav
    @javierlav 8 днів тому

    There was a clear offside in the previous play that should have stopped the play; and then of course Kroos should not have been on the field anymore

  • @MrLunary
    @MrLunary 9 днів тому

    Havertz and Fulkrug missed 4 chances. In big tournaments one needs to take them as the margins are very little. Germany will do learn from this and do better in the world cup.

  • @selvammascarenhas3020
    @selvammascarenhas3020 8 днів тому

    While the team in a sense deserved to go further I can’t be unhappy with the results given a year ago they probably would not have made it out of the group.
    Nagelsmann made some key choices in his selection of the squad. There was more defensive discipline which has been missing for a few years. Certainly the Havertz- Fullkrug debate will remain, but havertz movement off the ball is also key.
    Nagelsmann adjusted during the match at half time.

  • @Swtcher-in3yc
    @Swtcher-in3yc 8 днів тому

    Still better than any England game…

  • @StephenSmith-zp7pf
    @StephenSmith-zp7pf 9 днів тому +1

    Some players can't get out of the club football mode or speed Everything is faster at country level, especially the defending Your not walking the ball into the 6 yard box for a goal or turning and shooting, see Lukaku for that lesson still not learned. Players need to realise they dont have that extra half second or less the set up or dribble before their closed down

  • @brianlam1121
    @brianlam1121 8 днів тому

    Germany are an extremely strong team, the players are fit and fast, but the team weren"t that well coordinated and well cohesive as they were back in 2014. They are bit more improved over the past Euros and the World Cup 2022. Spain aren't as strong as Germany but they are more well coordinated and well cohesive. That's how Spain functioned alot more better than Germany. Like what happened when Real Madrid played against Bayern Munich in the UCL semi finals. In international football it's often more about the coodination and cohesion over form and superioty.

  • @connycharleslindstrom6084
    @connycharleslindstrom6084 9 днів тому +3

    It’s Klopp time!

  • @JustKamiTM
    @JustKamiTM 8 днів тому

    its not a pen i agree but wheres the consistency? they gave a pen for handball in the denmark germany game which was even worse than that.
    if you can give a pen for that then you have to give a pen for this aswell. simple as that

  • @defecationzen
    @defecationzen 9 днів тому

    i think the only question i have will be why can started ahead of andrich. they have been shielding kroos with andrich throughout the group games and he has been fantastic. i can see why he started with sane instead of wirtz to try to get him isolated to make things happen but spain shut that off quite well by starving him of service. i don't think fullkrug starting works. havertz's runs are getting the most out of kroos and rudiger's passing at the back and you could also see fullkrug losing steam in the running even in the minutes that he played. in the end spain did play better and had a better team. seeing germany resort to mueller pretty much seals it. and he took gundogan off because spain was also effective at cutting off passes to him when they played from the back. in the group stages he was the outlet to kroos and the backline's line breaking passes and the conduit to release the ball to the forwards. once he couldn't do that he was not going to be effective in the game.

  • @vickyindian5216
    @vickyindian5216 6 днів тому

    I am disappointed since world cup 2018 first round elimination, the same 2022 and now in euros…

  • @selestroyt
    @selestroyt 9 днів тому +2

    In my opinion de la fuente made a mistake by subbing off Yamal too. They could have still made a difference

    • @PrinceMishkin99999
      @PrinceMishkin99999 9 днів тому +1

      I think you don't know much about football. The game was getting very dirty and aggressive because of the impotence of the Germans and De La Fuente did well to take Yamal off the pitch, because the germans could break his leg. As they already took Pedri off the pitch at the beginning .

    • @selestroyt
      @selestroyt 8 днів тому

      @@PrinceMishkin99999 tbh that's true

    • @peter-mv5gk
      @peter-mv5gk 8 днів тому

      ​@@PrinceMishkin99999 lol i guess you think you know too much about football...they did tackles the first 10 min and then spain played the same way as germany. And you should never again take yamal if this is too dangerous to have him play without breaking a leg 😂

    • @benno895
      @benno895 8 днів тому +1

      @@PrinceMishkin99999 Lol what game did you watch? Sure, Kroos should've gotten a yellow (and not a red like your disgraceful coach thinks) for the Pedri foul but he still touched the ball. Who should've gotten a straight red though is Carvajal for throwing a punch in Mursialas face and Unai Simons a second yellow for his unworthy time play (why did he do it again since spain was sooooooo supperior?)

    • @PrinceMishkin99999
      @PrinceMishkin99999 8 днів тому

      @@benno895 Your fanaticism prevents you from accepting the reality that Germany played very, very dirty. Spain played normal. Accept defeat like a man, kid.

  • @kecajo5023
    @kecajo5023 8 днів тому

    5:45 Archie cooked Dan 😂. I love to see it.

  • @sokrteukchannaren6151
    @sokrteukchannaren6151 9 днів тому

    It was on the wrong side of the draw?
    Why not lost to Switzerland instead? Germany would be playing England instead of Spain.
    Are you too sure that Germany would win against England?
    Spain is the strongest team in the tournament? If they win the Euro 2024, we’ll then Spain is.
    Please Spain beat France, so no excuse that England haven’t played the most attacking side if they potentially beat Netherlands and go to the Final.

  • @marfel7613
    @marfel7613 9 днів тому

    The starting line-up was a complete joke.
    Nagelsmann wanted to do something special again and failed repeatedly.
    The elimination is completely on Nagelsmann's head.

  • @yoshiwoollyworld
    @yoshiwoollyworld 9 днів тому +1

    Wouldn’t it be smarter for germany to lose to switzerland so they could get england’s bracket?

    • @MatthiasLetsch
      @MatthiasLetsch 9 днів тому +3

      Maybe, but Germany's plan wasn't to play "smart" but to win all games... Playing for defeat just to get a better spot is not a good mindset for a football team...

  • @Lilpokeball
    @Lilpokeball 8 днів тому

    Gundogan kroos with wirtz and fullkrag would of made more sense. Sane has fell off where he thought he was gona be Robben but os way too inconsistent

  • @stevensmith7538
    @stevensmith7538 9 днів тому

    No, I love havertz and he’s delivered and had opportunities in the Spain game and missed them unfortunately. Bright future for him but I do feel that it was alot to ask for havertz to be a #9 nor a normal position for him but still played well! Spain are just that great right now!

  • @IljaAlbrecht
    @IljaAlbrecht 9 днів тому

    One might say so but if you go down that route, then anything not happening (i.e. the not given goal for England in WC 2010) would ultimately lead to a different game. A game that could then go in any (!) direction. Alternate reality: Think about this: Either way. No one knows - it is simply ridiculous saying if this or that would have not happened then this or that would have happened. You simply cannot tell and any lamenting is nothing but wishful thinking.
    Germany had chances and could have scored, a clear penalty could have been given (or at least CHECKED by this joke of a ref and UEFA), the German defender could have gotten the idea that in minute 119 you have to defend a header.
    In the end, if you don't score but concede you lose, no matter what.
    Hope Spain wins it because Germany and Spain are the only teams in this knockouts playing football.

  • @caldeprince1317
    @caldeprince1317 9 днів тому +1

    How can u sub gundogan😔
    Gundogan is a top gun👌

  • @MarcE-se9eu
    @MarcE-se9eu 8 днів тому

    Those handballs, when the ball is shot towards goal are given in the Premier League week in week out.

    • @ComradeOgilvy1984
      @ComradeOgilvy1984 8 днів тому

      In 2023 they were, for the most part. In 2024 they were usually not. The EPL officials pretty much changed the rules mid session, though Webb and his apologists at Sky Sports will gaslight you if you point out the obvious.