A Gaming 2-in-1? Asus ROG Flow Z13 Review
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- Опубліковано 25 чер 2024
- In this video we review the Asus ROG Flow Z13, a powerful 2in1 device that may not stand tow to toe with gaming laptops but destroys other tablets and 2in1's such as the Surface Pro range.
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0:00:00 - Intro
0:01:51 - Specs and Config Options
0:03:02 - Externals / Chassis
0:03:55 - Kickstand
0:04:08 - Ports
0:04:49 - Type cover
0:05:15 - Touchpad
0:05:23 - Screen
0:05:50 - Cameras
0:06:12 - Upgradability
0:06:32 - Performance
0:09:03 - Battery Life / Performance
0:10:14 - Conclusion
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Thanks for the demo. This is the best introduction video I've ever seen on UA-cam.
Gonna buy this soon. Thanks for the review
Had this on my Amazon wish list and it went on sale for £1099 for about 2 hours, went to buy one when I got home and it went back to £1300ish... gutted was an understatement!
I saw it at 1099 just after I bought it for 1399 so I know your pain :)
@@MashITTech I have seen this too but it was for the 500gb ssd module, so i hope it makes you feel a little better :)
@@MashITTech Hi, David. It's Herry. Have you received my email and the dock?
I bought mine during the end of November sales for $1500 and then they dropped it last week and it felt like a slap in the face. I never saw it drop to $1100 but would have immediately scooped it up.
@@alphacowman2350 we talking GBP (british pounds but 20% vat included),
1500 dollar is a good price for the z13 i9 1tb, its only 1220 GBP.
The new design of your laptop reviews is great man !
Thank you mate, we are working hard to try and improve!
this is such a cool looking device
I am excited for this video
you tickled my left ear on the webcam test haha
I had the flow for a month. It was my first “gaming laptop” and I loved it. I loved it so much that I wanted something better. Ended up with the 3080ti duo 16 but the flow is great for what it is. It was great to game with on the couch with no keyboard attached on the lap and a controller. You get no heat on your legs like other gaming laptops. With the right setting you can play any triple a title. I was playing warzone at 60fps and Elden ring at max setting at 30fps.
Why didnt you just get the XG moble RTX 3080 adaptor for your flow
@@wesleyvandeurzen7199 I thought about it but I play most of my games on the couch and having that thing hooked up with the short cord would have been a pain. For the price of both of those together I got a laptop with a mini led 165hz screen and a 3080ti.
How are you liking your Duo 16 ? would you say the flow would be good for video editing.
@@silverpro8356 Its hard to say if it would be good for photo editing as I have never used it for that. I LOVE the duo 16. I love it so much I’m putting it up for sale and getting the 4090 version.
What’s crazy is that the 2023 flow has that 4050 which is crazy efficient btw. I think it’s almost double the performance of the 3050ti of previous versions. Makes it much more valuable
I hope Asus will make another version of this performance 2-in-1 machine but for content creators or business environment.
Hey there, I have a question about the battery life of the Flow Z13. When you did your usual battery life testing, although you mentioned that you put it onto power saving settings, what about the silent/quite mode on ASUS armory crate? Would that make a noticeable different in addition to the power saving settings or does putting it on power saving settings automatically change it to silent/quiet mode? On a side note, this video was very informatic. Thank you :)
Love all of your breakdowns and reviews! Still really looking forward to your review of the all AMD Alienware m17 r5! Dave2d was saying it was on par with the 3080 TI! I just ordered myself the Ryzen 9 6900 HX and the 6850M XT 4K model over Black Friday with a discount coupon. Should be here December 13th!
The 6850xt in the m17 is 175w so a real beast and even more powerful than the legroom 7 version I just reviewed. Unfortunately there was a problem with my unit and I had to return it so couldn’t complete the video 😢 will try and get another when I get time
@@MashITTech Nice!! Thats awesome! no worries! I appreciate all you do!!
What did you have to pay for it???? 3400 US in Denmark. 2k US is max for me for a laptop.
@@mrt6349With a 260$ coupon I paid around 2,500$ total in the US.
Well said sir. I will definitely buy it. I love surface pros but they lack graphics card. This has it all.
It's CES 23 now, and Asus have just announced a new version of the Z13 is coming with more recent mobile cards. No real details yet. There might be a bigger battery. I think the most important things will be a) they're keeping the line going which suggests it sold enough which is awesome for 2-in-1 detachable competition and b) the existing ones might get a deep discount so if there's little functional difference that could help.
They might also start appearing on ebay if early adopters upgrade.
Any chance you tried the Inotek typecover on the Asus ROG Flow Z13???
does the surace slipm pen 2 (ssp2) work on this device? if it does. please tell us how it feels compared to drawing on the surface pro 8, just open photoshop and do any scribbles and let us know. this drawing experience is what keeps people to keep on buying the surafce pro.
Planning on buying a Surface Pro 9. Saw this Video. bought it after the video.
Hope you enjoy it, imho this destroys the surface for performance for just a little extra thickness
This is a pleasant surprise. I actually have the i7-12700H version of the Flow Z13 and for some triple A games and regular day to day work I have no complaints. The only thing I hate about this machine is the XG Mobile which is a constant headache for me to get working properly.
Glad I didn’t bother with the x1 mobile then. I couldn’t justify nearly 1k more to get a mobile 3080
Hi would you say the zflow 13 i7 is good for video editing as i am thinking of getting this model .
Ooohhh I wonder if they will do a z16?
Regarding the InaTeck cover:
- Is there one wirh space for the pen just like the Microsoft type cover?
Finally something with some power. I do like Surface Pro but now... well. Hard choice.
not alot of people is talking about this, this is a awesome computer.
Yeah, I think it was because on launch they priced it way too high! at 1399 or less it is a really good deal
I hope asus makes a version with both ryzen cpu and gpu. It will improve battery performance because b.p. is very critical in this form factor.
I would love to see the AMD Ryzen and GTX 1650. Or even the i5 version without a dedicated GPU. The GTX 1650 is $1150 and you can pick up the XG mobile $800-$1000 depending if you go for rtx 3080 or RX 6850. Kind of my dream setup. Leave the CG mobile and a monitor at home bring the flow to work but still be able to game on those rare down times
If any parts break down, is it able to be repaired like usual laptop does??? I only worry it can't be repaired like usual laptop does
I used this a lot, and mounted two joycons to the side of it. It was fine, but the bluetooth on it is pretty bad. You actually can't even use joycons because adding a 2nd BT device give the 1st one heavy latency.
Oh I am not a big Bluetooth user so didn't test that! I will see if I can recreate it
How bad was the ghosting? I know some people mentioned the display's response time is 30ms. I really like this device and I need the portability while also being able to play esports games. But as a secondary device, is it worth paying 1000$ CAD more to get the 2023 version? The only major upgrades will be the display, slightly better processor and rtx 4050 laptop. I feel like the processor and gpu upgrade will not make a big difference for games like valorant, lol, apex, ow2. I'm just worried about the display...
The screen response was average at best. I am not sure what other laptops you have tested but I would say the ghosting is on par with the Blade 14 1080p display. The newer version display will be much faster
You should do some tv reviews. A lot of them have lots of gaming features now and are basically becoming "smart monitors".
I really need to look into this, haven’t bought a tv in years and well out of the loop 😂
Does it work with the new Surface Pen 2?
Any advantage or disadvantage to by inatek type cover microsoft sp9 signature keyboard?
The advantages is it’s half the price and being Bluetooth you can use it away from the device and it doesn’t use the battery of your surface pro, plus the keyboard lighting is nice. The disadvantage is you need to charge it
Is it compatible with the slim pen 2?
I’m waiting for rtx 40 mobile gpu with this tablet form factor
Are there any inateck type covers compatible with the ROG Z13?
Not that I know of atm 😢
So would you recommend it for an architect that uses CAD, Revit and sketchup for 3d modeling?
for sure! battery isn't the best but the power is incredible for the form factor and it doesn't even get loud
What’s the maximum m.2 size and sd size that could be added? Could I keep large iTunes library on either storage option?
2tb 30mm SSDs are just becoming available so you can pop one of those in. But if it is just a large iTunes library you could buy a large micro SD card and run the library off that
Battery life is horrible but cooling is great plus u can turn it into mobile gaming device by attaching joy cons to sides with small modification 😀
does this flow have bypass charging? tia
Is the 4K version a better option or at the end not much difference?
I personally think the 1200p is the better option. The screen still looks sharp as it in only 13" you get 120hz (the 4k is only 60hz) and games will play at its native resolution. The 4k will be slightly sharper obviously and has better gamut but it will also eat more battery.
Total Newb here, need a decent device to mainly run CAD software, such as Shaper3D, my intention being to teach myself how to use it to design bicycle frames. I come from a traditional Technical Drawing background, so needs to be as intuitive as possible using a pen, Shaper3D seems to bridge that gap the best. Am looking at a surface device would this be my best option? (Not great with Apple products)
I also come from a technical drawing background but due to a change in career to IT management and then UA-cam I am not unto date with CAD software. Most CAD and 3d heavy apps heavily benefit from an Nvidia card so this 2in1 should handle it well. Drawing on it is good too just like the surface pro, just rip the keyboard off and put the kick stand right back and drawing is comfortable
@@MashITTech thank you, does the surface come with a similar or suitable card?
unfortunately not which is my biggest gripe with surface, they only get intel integrated gfx which are pretty poor! I can do light photoshop and very light blender with it but video editing or any heavy 3d work is a slide show :(
@@MashITTech ok awesome! Thank you so much for the info.
i also ordered mine from uk but i didn't received a bag/case or a pen/stylus with mine, just the z13 and a charger, did you?
No! The UK model does not come with a stylus for some strange reason! There is even a slot in the box for it :( I just used a surface pro 7 pen as it works with any MPP
@@MashITTech thank you :) yes i have seen this slot too, did you tested any case/bag you would recommend?
For video editing. Are we talking normal video editing or 4k plus?
Moderate 4K will be fine, I wouldn’t try anything above that though
does it matter if this is plugged in? Like do you get the same amount of frames in gaming when plugged in or ungplugged?.
You lost about 10% unplugged if you disable nvidia battery boost. By default it caps frames at 30fps to save battery as per nvidia design
at the same price of the Surface, i think it is a no brainer to get the z13
My thoughts exactly
Even on their website they're offering it for £1,300 atm with the HD rather than 4K screen, and a 1TB SSD and 16Gb. John Lewis have it for the same price. I can't imagine many people would upgrade that SSD to be honest. I looked and I couldn't even find a 2Tb. Still, it does mean you could potentially repair it more easily although they mention you have to clone the existing one. In the event of a failure, that could be a problem (but you could take a clone before you need it I suppose). Of course, the fact you can replace it means they could send you a replacement and it's job done.
yeah, at the moment 2tb are hard to get hold of but will be more common soon. I would be surprised if you couldn't just do a fresh windows 11 install but there may be some drivers they don't have listed for some reason 😕
@@MashITTech Yes, I was mostly guessing because there are guides for doing it with a Surface that talk about cloning the drive before you insert the new one. Perhaps that's not strictly necessary but maybe you can't download drivers? I'll worry about it if I ever have to do it :)
I love lower power 2 in 1. They only need a good wifi card for the cloud and tv screen projection.
I mostly use them for low indie games and visual novels on the go.
can we change ram or ssd? i read somewhere they said soldiered
Ram is soldered so you are stuck with 16gb :( the SSD is upgradable and easy to get to (I show it just before performance section) but unfortunately it is a 30mm m.2 slot so not many upgrade options at the moment
Is this a bargain now that John Lewis are selling it for £1199? I can't find another i9 machine for close to that price.
I totally love this! I hate playing on notebook keyboards. You can't angle it, it's hot and usually, it sucks as well. 😆
With this, I can connect my own keyboard and don't have to worry about pressing the notebook keyboard with it. 😆
I just wish it would have more power. For the money, 40W 3050 Ti doesn't sound like much. At least 3060 would be nice. Preferably 3070. 😆
Yeah, 40w doesn't seem a lot when you compare it to a gaming laptop but if you compare it to any tablet, 2in1 or 13" ultrabook you realise how impressive it is. Only the 14" G14 and blade really improve on this but then you have massive fan noise to match
@@MashITTech Agreed. I've got an XPS 13 9310 with Xe at the moment and even that thing can play some lighter games as well. So I'm thinking this could be quite a machine for it's size. Just plonk this thing on the table, connect a keyboard and mouse and you are good to go gaming! I love the minimalistic nature of this. However, some reviews say the screen is rather slow. That's been holding me back a little bit, since I spoiled myself with the 240Hz Alienware last year, HAHA. How did you enjoy playing on it?
@@MashITTech Speaking of Blade 14, I'm thinking whether I to get the Blade or the Z13. I like the idea of the detachable keyboard and I already got a desktop PC, so I wouldn't mind the lower performence that much. I love the portability, but still.. the Blade 14 seems quite a bit more powerful for a similar price (used). What would you pick?
Screen wise. yes it is slower than a modern fast 144hz+ screen, I can see a little ghosting when fast paced gaming such as apex But it is a million times better than the Surface Pro 8/9 120hz or the MacBook Pro 120hz (but very slow mini led) screens and I really enjoyed gaming on it. In answer to your other question, I have and love the blade 14 with 5900 & 3070 but there is a lot to consider. Pros of the Blade is GPU performance and reasonable CPU performance. Battery life, form factor and ports. The disadvantage is Dim screen (Mine is just over 300 nits and I work in a bright environment and with it has another 100nits). runs hot and loud, the left palm rest can get bothersome and WASD keys are hot. Severe throttling if used on USBC and the included PSU is bulky and unwieldy. There is never one perfect laptop so I guess you have to try and work out what you really want from each. And I also like the fact that the keyboard never gets hot on the ROG and I can rip it off and use my 65% mech keyboard whilst gaming!
@@MashITTech That's what I'm talking about! You just rip the keyboard off and use your custom keyboard instead. Without all the heat is a bonus.
do you think this is better then the surface laptop studio?
Yes in my case as I want a 2in1, I am not keen on the sls form factor
I have this Z13 with Core i9 and 4k display, along with XG mobile. However, looking at the numbers on Cinebench under Turbo mode at 07:54, my Z13 can outperform the Threadripper 1950X at around 17k-ish. This Z13 also outperforms my HP DL380 G9 dual Xeon 2680 server.
2 things I think Asus intentionally placed limits on this tablet:
1. 16GB RAM top (which I may say it's enough but not big enough)
2. It's using 2230 SSD form factor which is having max cap at 1TB (fairly not good, but they compensate it with microsd card that I managed to populate it with a fast 512GB microsd)
Overall, ASUS had done a great job with Z13. Try to fold the keyboard til it covers the backside of the Z13. It will tell you that airflow is being blocked. And the small window on the back gives gap between keyboard and backside just in case we need to do so in short periode of time, letting some air to flow inside the Z13.
Btw, another good thing about this Z13 is it has Thunderbolt 4 port which I can easily connect the Z13 to an external RTX A5000 to do work.
Still, the 16GB of memory feels like driving a Lamborghini on small countryside road when running DaVinci Resolve, Blender, and Rhino. It's still a good companion to my HP Zbook 17, though.
How much to buy the z13 from you?
Sorry, it’s already allocated to someone
seems like it would make more sense to have an i7
Yes it would have done but I am still impressed with the thermals for the size of the device
Putting all these features on a tablet is great, I'm glad you spoke about trade-offs but I wish you talk about build quality. Surface pro look premium and like a machine that will last 10 years, I'm scared this might just look inferior and breakdown sooner. I seek enlightenment here.
the power button is also a fingerprint sensor
Yes
i wonder how many of these they sell, the market is someone who wants mobile PC gaming, a tablet PC, and productivity.. and they can only have one device
It is a very niche product as a gaming laptop games better and a surface pro is more portable but if you are someone who wants a more powerful surface pro then this is it! I love my surface pro but wish it had a discrete gpu as intel gfx are woeful 😂
Well for engineering students it's awesome
Just bought one
Hope you enjoy it :)
Is it worth it bro, or should I go for flow x13
@@Akashinity For me it was all dependent on the black Friday or cyber Monday deal and Z13 with the 3080 I thought it was the best deal for me. I have many laptops so it all depends on your needs? For the amount I paid I feel it is well worth it.
Love the laptop but i hate the Egpu solution.
Egpu over thunderbolt 3/4 or any proprietary port is still a money waste imo. The cheapest Egpu over thunderbolt full setup i can think up would be over 300$, and for that much money you can have a nice gpu for your desktop already.
Totally agree which is why I didn’t bother ordering the egpu version
As a tablet user, one of my expectations is good battery life, 8-10hrs a prerequisite, so as a tablet, the Z13 is a fail. The price has fallen, probably due to meagre sales, but I suspect many people have reached the same conclusion.
The SP8 I have is no battery champ, but I expect 33% or longer battery life on the Surface. But, this is for gamers, though 1.5 hours on battery gaming seems like it would not be very useful.
A niche product that will do well to survive.
Yes battery life and weight are probably its weaknesses and it definitely is a niche product. I personally prefer performance over battery as I am usually never far from an outlet so this product is great for me but I can understand completely your conclusion. And yes even the SP8 and 9 battery are not great when you compare it to apple silicon, it is one area I wish windows machines could improve as a whole (as even though I am not bothered about battery life for me I know how much other users require it)
Wait... so the surface pen works on it?? Wow!!!
Yes, any MPP pen will work
@@MashITTech thank you, i had no idea! Cool!!
The digitizer on the Z13 is kind of crap if you are an artist. I wish it was better 😢
Badly want this device, I’m leaving in Asia. Here you can buy base model for 1600$.
i'll take six of them so I can have one on the go and the rest for my bathrooms. Ohh and I guess I'll need one for my Mister Meowsers as it seems he has grown tired of chasing fish on his iPad pro. "Alexa, please add 7 fully loaded Asus ROG Flow Z13's to my current order alongside the Ferraris and filleted unicorn-steaks"
Wow and I though I was rich 🤣
Oh, I thought this was a new generation. I wish there was a new version with AMD.
me too, I guess they are waiting for next years CPUs. Sorry if you thought it was new, it has just taken us a long time to cover this one as we have had so many machines we wanted to cover this year!
@@MashITTech No problem. It's still nice to see another perspective.
problem with amd is there is no thunderbolt but hopefully the new one will have a usb4 that can be back compatible to tb.
the x13 have the new amd's but they used heat pipe so it's a bit louder. i guess this one is one of a kind. i hope so, i just ordered one :)
Can I have It
With Free delivery
No sorry, we are only a small channel and need to sell the laptops to fund our next purchases
The more I've been learning about this device, the more I've felt that the GPD Win Max 2 is better for its stated purpose. Smaller form factor, more pocketable, lighter. It may not be as powerful, but you're more likely to enjoy gaming on it, and especially travel with it
But I would like to see an OEM (It doesn't have to be GPD or ASUS) make a new device with the Win Max 2's form factor and the Flow Z13's specs. Would pay the premium for a design that gets the most out of something that's actually playable as a handheld
What's Microsoft Surface doing here?
what do you mean? I am a surface pro user and I discuss how this is similar to a surface in the form factor whilst being a lot more powerful.
Too bad it only has 4GB of VRAM.
I'm was Surface (SP3, SP4, SP7) user (Their screen freaking malfunctions) and currently using a ROG Zephyrus S with a 1060 6GB. I was thinking of getting this until I saw it only has 4GB VRAM, but I still can't convince myself to get the G14 with the 6700/6800S since most of my work relies on CUDA. It is a shame that ASUS didn't include a 3050Ti with 6G VRAM, or better still, a 3060 6G with an Ryzen CPU.
Why not get a 3060 g14? Although I would wait for CES 2023 before making a purshase now.
4:14 USB 2 port?? Well I'll let that sink in for awhile.
It’s a bit of an odd choice but I just use it for a mouse dongle
An innovative product let down by a poor webcam & inbuilt microphone array.
Lenovo ThinkPad vs ASUS Republic of Gamers
this kind of power on 13 inches 2 in 1 is not sensible. if it was 15 inch it would be better.
The thermals were well in check and asus have tuned the power well for the chassis, I was really impressed with it
3050ti hhahahaahaha. Hello, super Performance
So many people are getting 1-3 hours of use with this device. Cool concept but hard pass for such terrible battery life. Asus should have put a i7-1280p processor instead of the other useless desktop processor!
yes battery life is its Achilles heel. I personally prefer performance to battery so this suits me but I think they certainly should have had a P option like you mention for those that prioritise battery life
i9 12900k 3050 gpu, nah not worth it
It totally depends what you are looking for! Gaming laptop would be much better value but as this is the same price as a surface pro 9 if I wanted a 2in1 I would choose this