Why Isn't Mouse & Keyboard Support A Bigger Deal On Consoles?
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Although I prefer aiming with a mouse over an analog stick, I hate using a keyboard for movement or any other actions. The ideal setup for me would be holding a wii nunchuck type of controller in my left hand while using a mouse with my right hand.
Tada, analog keyboard.. Razer huntsman v2 analog
Can everyone just chill. The person ask for keyboard and mouse support, not asking for consoles to completely move to it. It's just nice to have.
Like it or not, convenience and ease of use is going to trump any advantage other input methods provide. Arcade sticks, racing wheels, etc. Are niche for a reason. If the console comes with a controller that can play everything, most people won't look beyond that.
I love using mouse and keyboard on the Xbox series x when a game supports it but every time you ask on the internet if a game has mouse and keyboard support you get a bunch of nose breathers coming out and bashing you for even asking. They automatically assume you have a capable pc or suggest that you get a pc instead. I like an Xbox over pc for its ease of use and price but I also love using mouse and keyboard on certain games and somehow they can’t fathom that.
there are entire videos dedicated to bashing people for using a mouse in COD on consoles.
@@arsenii_yavorskyi surprisingly I do not use mouse and keyboard on cod because I’ve been so use to that series on controller. It’s wild that people make videos about that, people using mouse and keyboard on console are still put in m&k input prioritized lobbies just like people using M&K on pc so it’s a non issue
Really the Xbox is more a PC than the Ps5. When it comes to consoles the PS5 is just a console. The Xbox is a console PC hybrid.
@@roscoebuzzard3687I don’t have a PS5 but i’m pretty sure it has about the same level of K&M support as the Xbox
@@elcourier not really you can do more on the Xbox the the PS5 as far as PC stuff
They should make mouse and keyboard standard and allow people to choose how they want to play.
If PC people like me can get a £500 box to play most games I would jump at it, instead of buying a GPU for £500 I would have a full usable system.
Then in lobbies they can separate people if they want to be separated.
Not everyone buys consoles for shooting games. If I'm buying a console, I expect to play a breadth of genres of games that lean towards controllers. For example, the Spiderman games (of any era) would be a nightmare with KB&M.
Im using controller in shooters (and all other) even on PC🤣
Mnk only in Civ6🤗😁 it's just no so comfortable to use - main point.
@@mikedergalevI do same Ive tried use keyboard I can't do it
Don't forget rts
I use controllers most, but I want options, mouse and keyboard works well in all games, even if controller is more comfy.
Besides a lot of people are handicapped, and need all controller supports possible
I play on both console and PC but mkb is better for any game especially when you have a mouse with side buttons. It's good have both options. Also gives more options for games if console adopted MKB you can play CRPGs, Total War games, and games that don't support controller. They just don't want to add MKB to console because it will make people eventually transition to PC.
I often see people using a XIM to allow the use of M&K in unsupported PS4/5 games.
It's quite frequent in OverWatch in particular and it really presents a huge disadvantage for players on controller since it's a thumb's worth of movement vs an entire arm.
I myself have difficulty with the finer movements required to play shooters and find gyro aiming a really nice addition whenever it is present, and tend to use it as a 'suplemental' form of aiming.
Outside of first person shooters I also play quite a bit of Final Fantasy XIV, which supports Mouse and Keyboard but have been using the excellently designed gamepad control scheme which lets me use dozens of abilities in customizable slots; cycle through a party/enemy list or where they are in relation to the screen. The presence of a touchpad in Sony's consoles is absolutely game changing for that title specifically.
For transparency's sake, I also use a very small Bluetooth keyboard that grabs on to the bottom of the gamepad via the aux port, though I admittedly only use it for in-game chat, so I don't have to use the virtual keyboard.
I don't play on console but I've got my high-end PC permanently plugged into a TV. On a couch I've got a set of wireless keyboard and mouse and a glass mousepad. I keep them on a wide, hard couch cushion that I simply put on my knees when I play. It is way more convenient to play like this than if used my gamepad... which just mostly collects dusts, really.
Because I’m sitting on a couch away from the TV, that’s why.
I do as well. Yet I have wireless keyboard and mouse set up on little "bed and breakfast tray" on the couch and play games that work better with keyboard and mouse like shooters, RTS, etc. with them instead of the gamepad. Thankfully, the Xbox Series X supports keyboard and mouse in many games. I just wish there were good wireless HOTAS, pedals and steering wheels for appropriate sims as well.
And I have a lift top coffee table..... it's such a silly reason for them not to make m&k better accessible lol
Get a couch master or Corsair lapboard. Expensive? Yes. More than an elite controller? Not by much
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How about movement with controller and aiming with mouse?
Hybrid input is gamechanging.
Gradual movement and perfect aim.
The main benefit of a keyboard is the raw density of control options available with the left hand. On your standard controller you can make 3 inputs (pressing down the stick and the two shoulder buttons) with your left hand without needing to move your thumb off the stick, and on ones with back buttons you get 5. Compared to a keyboard where you can easily press 14 buttons with your left hand while still having fingers on the movement keys and up to 20 or even more with some dexterity practice. The sacrifice in haptics and analog movement is more than worth it in many games where having access to those abilities matter. You mention doom eternal where high level play either requires use of the weapon wheel or only having an extremely small rotation of weapons on the controller because swapping through them all is impractical, but on a keyboard you can literally just bind every weapon to a key and have instant access to it without slowing down the action and still have more buttons to spare. It’s just the superior way to play the game and would make stuff like Nightmare mode much more accessible for players willing to use it. Same thing goes for Overwatch and many other high input games that require a ton of button mappings. I don’t think players should be locked out of a control option that completely transforms the way the game is played due to their platform of choice
Interesting perspective, but I find it easier to come back to the stick when my hand doesn't have to move at all with zero training to prevent thinking about it when using a gamepad. What's more, is some games let you bind your top four weapons to the d-pad which is generally all that most people will need or want.
@@anon_y_mousse you’re right and this approach is going to work for 90% of players. Controller is always going to be the most accessible condensed control style since its the one that ships in the box and is designed to be able to play basically anything, while the WASD style was created as a workaround by players in the late 90s and just became widely adopted. And most people aren’t going to need anything more than a few binds or a weapon wheel when playing through a game like Doom or hopping on for a few games of Overwatch or Fortnite before bed, so the controller works perfectly. But I think the option should still be there for players who want to push themselves in these games and would appreciate the extra options of a keyboard.
I’ve seen some footage of people who have beaten Doom Eternal’s harder modes with a controller and it’s certainly impressive and quite possible, but looking at the comments under these videos you’ll see many controller players who didn’t even give the challenge the light of day, while I feel at least anecdotally that keyboard and mouse players are much more willing to preserve through those harder modes. Again, most people will play through the standard or easy difficulty and not think twice and that’s fine, but I think the option might encourage some players on the edge
analog movement sometimes is not even an advantage, in FPS games you can precisely control your movement with the mouse (the movement of top notch CS players is pixel precise, it allows them to climb/jump to some extreme spots on the map etc) and the repeatability of your movement is 100%, so that when you press left you go left, not mostly left and a few degrees backwards, just left, always, and this helps with aiming prediction too. Analog movement only gives you an advantage when the character you're playing is not moving in relation to your mouse inputs, in every other scenario you can just leverage superior precision of the mouse to work around imprecise (but 100% repeatable) keyboard movement inputs.
+1 from me, I also believe that your preferred way to play the game should not be bound to any platform, especially in offline games, in which there's absolutely no reason to lock kb+m out on consoles.
@@tudedude5793 I'm not saying the option shouldn't be there, and I would say the same goes in the opposite direction as it's often the gamepad controls that suffer, especially in PC games, just that a gamepad is generally an easier control scheme to pick up given that your hands don't move around when you're gripping the controller while your hands won't be tied to one spot with a keyboard at a desk. Also, I don't even know of any players that genuinely use every weapon in an FPS equally. Most use one or two, and maybe have a third and fourth for those instances where it's needed for the sake of progression.
I would like mouse and keyboard so I could play RTS games on console (I may never get an actual gaming PC), and games like Baldur’s gate are just better with a mouse. Other than that, despite its advantages, I have zero desire to learn how to use a keyboard and mouse. I don’t play anything competitively, so there isn’t much motivation.
The more interesting question to me is why are we still using a keyboard on PC for gaming? The mouse is great, but I really wish we had some better alternatives, and software support for alternatives for awkward keyboards. I want something like a Nintendo Nunchuck with an analogue joystick in my left hand, but with like at least 10 buttons. Keyboards can be so awkward to use, and aren't that ergonomic for gaming. There is razer and old Belkin gamepads available, like the n52te I have, but these only use 8 way D-pads.
Because you need those buttons? And stick wouldn't improve your ergonomics. Would add more confusion most likely. Obviously would reduce precision.
Even ""console"" games nowadays lack those buttons. Many games introduce weird and unprecise button combinations. Ratchet and clank has 3 stupid wheels for weapon choosing. And in this game you frequently swap weapons, meaning a lot of your gameplay is just sitting in this wheel menu. Amazing.
Mouse is must for fps games
Simple - up until very recently when everyone decided gaming was only for streamers ,gamers played with a control on a tv in the living room. Hence no need to a keyboard , mouse camera etc.
what do you mean by "everyone decided gaming was only for streamers"?
What's this video games have been around long before anyone, started streaming video games across the internet. And the vast majority of video games players don't do video games streaming at all. Video games streaming is definitely niche.
Maybe because console usually come with a controller. So just makes more sense to use that, as users will already have a controller at hand.
I live in Rome I changed console I changed connection now I have 2.5 but xcloud doesn't work the same there are between 6 and 10 seconds delay can someone send a reminder browser Xbox doesn't work anymore grazie
I grew up on Controllers. I haven't been able to train myself to use Keyboard and Mouse.
It is a big problem for multiplayer to use controller by some players and others using mouse and keyboard.
I'm one of those weirdos who game with consoles at a desk 🙋🏽♂️
I have a lift top coffee table, brings the m&k to the perfect position, just make it so people can use the damn things
I still have my Dreamcast Keyboard.
gyro needs more adoption
and when that happens, it would make sense for kbm support to be more adopted
I love playing on my Series S with a mouse and keyboard, especially FPS games. For that reason, I struggled with Halo 5.
I would use it more if there was more games that supported it. Doom never getting it was why I bought a xim adapter in the first place
They always put new features but on the Xbox browser the cloud no game has worked for eight months because no one does anything how can someone use these features if the browser doesn't work
When you know that the main advantage of keyboard is to have many keys, and see awful key binding in many games those days that telling you to play with a controller (event a game like starfield didn't had any key binding interface at launch), I don't think we could expect mouse and keyboard to come to console any time soon
Im thankful for Call of Duty has bcs Gaming PCs which have same graphics quality like PS5 and Xbox Series X kost at least Double. Im happy with 4K60 FPS. But I wish more Bethesda games like Starfield would have it also Battlefield games. Can’t be so hard to port it.
K and M is op on Xbox. I have been using it for years with fps games on Xbox.
It would be a unique selling point for GTA VI to get pc players to double dip.
Splitfish was the Bain of my existence with socom on ps3.
Sitting on a couch with a controller is more comfortable. Even on PC I use my controller a lot of times. I want to lean back and enjoy the game, especially if it is a long game. I played Cyberpunk on my PC with a controller, same with Destiny 2. The only game I can't play with controller is FF14.
Try BF with controller vs MnK 😂
some games need it, baulders gate 3 and civilisation 6
Hell let loose is controller only but some folks are cheating on consoles by hacking to use M&K via cronos etc.
That game for mega nerds not sure why it even came to console
I prefer controller it is more comfortable but using a mouse is far superior
I like laying in bed and being able to use separate joycon and playing 7 meters away from TV.
Make stuff more difficult to use is not an accessibility issue.
Before I got my PC, I used to play shooters exclusively on mouse and keyboard on console. If the game didn't support native M&K in shooters, most of the time I just didn't play them. I know its super niche, but there are plenty of us out there that would love more attention directed toward keyboard and mouse input on console. More flexability and options is never a bad thing
did you play Alien Resurrection with a mouse?
@@arsenii_yavorskyi you mean on the PS1? You know what I meant my dude, come on now
We should be asking the real question: why don't more games support the Wiimote or Nunchuck controls? Or better yet...DK Bongos.
It’s really only fun for competitive shooters and RTS. And long term it’s extremely uncomfortable. Just my personal opinion.
I don't get why it's not allowed, especially for cross-platform games that offer support for both inputs on PC. Just let people pick. For a lot of PC players, me included, the lack of KBM support is the primary thing that stops me from wanting to play most games on console.
I like a lot of elements of consoles, but I'd usually rather just not play an FPS or strategy game than have to play it on a controller. You guys might be the opposite, but please don't insult me or tell me I'm dumb or entitled for it. Just let me enjoy it.
Honestly, aim assist has come a long way. I have played both PC and Consoles ever since I was a kid, and believe me, controllers are getting better all the time, especially when talking about pro controllers. You will get used to it over a couple of sessions, and it won't seem so weird anymore.
@@mikejenkins4924 I've tried, and even though it's playable, I still don't enjoy it, let alone prefer it. I'll use it sometimes, for cloud or mobile gaming when I'm away from home, but I really wish people would stop telling me how to enjoy my games. Just accept that I like KBM and that I would like it if more console games had KBM support, and leave it at that.
@@scirrhia_kruden
OK, man. I respect that. I believe you assumed I was, like others, telling you how to enjoy your games. This is not so. You had shown interest in console gaming, and as I do both, was just informing you that if you haven't tried for a few years, that the newer controllers feel fantastic to play with.
@@mikejenkins4924 I have a PS5 and I also use a Dualsense on PC for some games, especially for driving in Cyberpunk 2077 because I love the way they implemented the adaptive triggers. I put it down when I need to fight or go on foot, though.
Good.
I think support is going to be more common on Xbox titles, because more of those games are going to be cross-platform with PC anyway. I'm not seeing it happening for PlayStation though.
wouldn't it be rad if Sony moved to conquer the PC platform though? if they release their games on Linux, then they won't even have to deal with Microsoft's bullshit, and Valve has already laid down the groundwork for them.
The overwhelming majority of people that buy consoles do so because they want the one-control-device-in-their-hands type of playing method. There are even a lot of people that enjoy playing FPS games using a gamepad more than using a keyboard and mouse. I personally use a gamepad to play games at my desktop computer, even FPS games.
Two sticks to control movement with triggers for alt and primary or 'nades is a perfectly adequate alternative control method. Of course, I also haven't bought a console or console game in at least 20 years because of their business practices, so I'm probably on the fringe for calling it an adequate control method.
Mouse = Fantastic
Keyboard with 1 hand isn't comfy and causes hand pain.
Theres a reason I use controllers with 90% of pc games, because it doesnt hurt my wirsts.
Typical PC use outside of gaming is never strenuous enough to cause my fingers and wrists to seize up like PC gaming with a keyboard.
The games that are better used with keyboards are Cities Skylines, Civ, Factorio- games that rely on a point and click interface are usually the only reasons I will consider my keyboard for gaming.
Strangly enough Elder Scrolls for whatever reason is also for me at least; a better fit for keyboard and mouse.
I just think they control scheme of a keyboard feels clunky when paired with most games, they way playing Factorio or particular PC games with a controller just feels whack. 🤷♀️
In fact i wish it was even easier to use controllers on PC
Is already pretty easy to use an Xbox controller in any game that may be susceptible to controller usage, like racing, fighting or even shooter games
@@marcos1669 I know but I'm talking about in Windows and game launchers
I wish controllers never existed.
@GVCC1 That's flippin dumb, driving with a keyboard sucks
@@GVCC1 Okay...
I cant aim shite with controller, i just keep a pad or book to keep me mouse n play on couch. Still its more comfy than playing any shooters with a cucking controller
Does anyone know if Ps5 war mongrels supports keyboard and mouse??😊
I play on PC and use a controller 90 percent of the time. I just don't use it in competitive shooters or genres like 4x, RTS, simulators and diablo clones.
If they had KBM on console I might have considered. It's fhe 2nd reason I shy away from consoles. There are just games that I need the mouse because of camera control.
Disturbing question to ask…
Console owners struggle with seven buttons, a keyboard would be like a University Degree to them,
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 very true.
It's a shame, Doom doesn't support it on Xbox
Maybe if I could use a controller in my left hand (for the analog stick) and a mouse in my right, I’d go for this. But not a keyboard.
You have analog keyboards…
I'll reluctantly play games on PC if they only support Mouse and Keyboard. Never really happy about it though. I can't imagine console gamers would ever tolerate such a thing.
People who exclusively play on console are against mkb because of console bias. As a newbie PC masta race gamer I can say mkb just adds more options. I do enjoy the feedback from my dual sense. But PC has both options while console has just one.
Lol
@@Snoy_Flywhat lol, on PC you can choose if you want play with controller or KnM.
@@DeluxPrimus no shiiiet
Doesnt need to be popular to be an option
Very true.
I can't use mouse and keyboard I've tried mouse I get but trying hit right keys switching stuff gets so confusing yes mouse faster for aiming but say got get health pack then reload just way to tough
You gotta learn like everything else in life. For someone that has never used a controller it would be equally as confusing remembering where all the buttons are.
Play for more tan 10 houts with KB&M and then tell me again
Goofy ah goobers, it’s support, not mandatory. We should all support its implementation in as many games as possible. Then, if you want to use a controller, use a controller. If you wanna use a mouse and keyboard, use a mouse and keyboard.
Yeah, this comments section is weird. Tons of people talking about how they don't like KBM and wouldn't want to use it, even dissing KBM or insulting people for wanting to use it, when adding support for it wouldn't affect them at all. All it would do is let people who DO like KBM use KBM.
Like, just don't use it if you don't want to, don't yuck on other people's yum, y'know?
@@scirrhia_kruden fr!
Who wants a typewriter as a console controller? 😂
😂😂😂😂
Too much work. I game on PC with a controller. It's just that much easier and convenient than keyboard and mouse. I wish the right stick would be more precise than the current models (like a trackball or a camera sensor or something) but it'll take some getting used to, so I think things work as they are
Because believe it or not, some people buy games for fun and to relax.
I've no interest in cramping/contorting my fingers on a keyboard or find a mouse particularly enjoyable.
I'd rather feel force feedback and relax with a controller so that i can actually ENJOY the game.
Having tried both and most of my life on console mouse and keyboard is still comfy. Never had issues cramping on wsad. Also if you get a mouse with side buttons you get so many more options.
I feel like Dreamcast and PS2 were the only ones that easily had mouse and kb support
I prefer a controller because it's 100% designed for gaming, and it does it very well too. If I want a device that played games and I want to use a keyboard and mouse, I get a personal computer. That said, the mouse is a type of controller device, but for PC. The keyboard, well, it's just a board to type letters on. And, it does that very well too.
Very well in fps games? 😂
I personally dont play fps games at all, just the fact that the arms always look like theyre coming out of your ears or the fact weapons are always held in front of your body at full vision which just looks ridiculous.
I just imagine someone holding their shoulders up to their ears with their arms stretched out front as far as they go while holding a gun 😂
Mouse support would be really good for strategy games or crpgs though
that's how people hold guns in real life though
@@arsenii_yavorskyi Not really, there is a reason most first person games look absolutely bonkers once you see your character in third person
I am a consoles and pc gamer and i play both on my tv on the living room and on my couch and i always use a controller because for me is extremely uncomfortable to have a keyboard and mouse no thanks
Its you, others maybe want true precision with mouse in fps without cheating with aim assist. For movent already existing analog keyboards.
if sony bothered to implement PROPER gyro (which the dualshock 4/5 are completely capable of btw) like in splatoon, no one would want kb&m on console
False
Why would you need a keyboard? Just for WASD? c'mon son
Because mouse is waaaaaay more precise than a stick for games like shooters
Play an rts on controller
WADS for movement, 10 numbers for inventory/weapons. E for action, F for flashlight. That's 16 buttons right there. Controllers struggle with that many buttons. Play Crysis 1 on PC compared to the console port. Play Deus Ex on PC vs PS2. Console games have to be dumbed down to handle fewer buttons.
Precision aim, not cheating with aim assist😂
1 word…..Couch!
Where the hell am i going to put a mouse and keyboard in my living room while im trying to game on the couch? Or in my room while im laying in bed gaming? Like come on bro
What's a couch?
@@redclaw72666 another word for sofa
Because Keyboard and Mouse dominate in several games ! I always hate when there is not input matchmaking in games. It is unfair for controller players 😢
😂
Because playing a controller is more comfortable, better controls for the majority of single-player games, and MnK is considered cheating in console multiplayer games. In CoD's competitive community for example, keyboarders are banned from all competitive matches due to the MASSIVE aim advantage it gives (yes, CoD has too much aim assist on controller, but they keep having to increase it due to MnK being allowed).
Who wants to crawl over a keyboard when trying to enjoy a game?
It's pretty obvious really. Most people game on consoles because they want to sit on their couch in front of their t.v with a controller, whether solo or couch co-op with friends. If we wanted to use a mouse and keyboard, we'd be PC gamers.
the only thing stopping you from putting your console on your desk or your PC next to your TV is your lack of imagination :)
People keep saying certain games no it because console is for bed or couch gamers lol mad uncomfortable playing a game like Alan wake 2 on desk vs your bed that so relaxing
In reference to the thumbnail question it’s because mouse and keyboard’s were designed for data entry. Not playing video games. Yes yes yes I understand the accuracy in FPS games with a mouse but let’s be honest, using a controller that fits comfortably in the hand feels 100% better than stretching your hand over a keyboard.
But good performance in fps games against MnK without the cheating( aim assist) is impossible. Someone is lazy person other is maybe strict and want perform. Solution is to let choose …
Keyboards and mouses created for work, not for fun 😊
Horrible mentality
Because it fucking sucks & so does PC in every way apart from graphical fidelity & modding.
We all know console players can’t aim
It should be I HATE playing FPS on controllers
'I' doesn't = general public
@@mikeuk666 Most people prefer mkb for fps because you have more control. For people who tried both most will prefer mkb.
It depends on the shooter. Games like bf and overwatch feel terrible on controller while games like cod and halo feel 10x more natural than on KB+M.
@@mikeuk666doesn't mean people shouldn't be allowed to, especially for cross-platform games that offer support for both on PC.
@@mikeuk666I agree. Let the casuals stick to their toy controllers.
Keyboard and mouse are meant for emails, controllers for games.
Horrible and false argument
@@DeluxPrimus You don’t use a keyboard and mouse to type and send emails on PC? Impressive.
@@Snoy_Fly you are mental dude
Aiming and clicking with a mouse will always be superior in terms of competitive performance (accuracy), but the immersion of pulling the trigger and the haptic feedback of a controller far outweighs that for single player games. Even on PC I find myself grabbing a controller most of the time.
Haptic is gimmick, control is basic thing.
pc gamers are so delusional they actually think console gamers should use a mouse and keyboard.
The xbox is more on the pc side the the PlayStation. Really when it comes to console categories its just PlayStation. You could and should put the Xbox on the pc category. Because Xbox is more a console PC hybrid.
As someone who moved from xbox to pc....K&m isnt for everyone
Mouse and keyboard is so unwieldy. Just awful. Tried it 20 years ago. I'd rather gouge out my eyes and cut off all my fingers.
Yeah I don't know how people use keyboard to many buttons I always hit wrong thing at wrong time
@@richardgray7159it pretty easy I mean it just like typing there even schools that teach you it usually most buttons are the layout for typing
I'm primarily a pc gamer with a machanical gaming keyboard and I agree, keyboards suck. There is no analogue sensitivity to how much you can go in a direction with wasd, and analogue has been present in console controllers since the n64. This is why most pc games or ports of pc games have a run/walk button on the keyboard. Mouse is ideal for aiming but there needs to be some evolution in keyboards to add an analogue stock for movement was to introduce more than on off 0/1 digital wasd control movement and 8 degrees of directions, instead of 360 degrees
@@AthleticHobo-br4qh there actually keyboards like that now there called wooting
@@robertcastanpn288 yeah but those are expensive as hell, and also most games don’t even support it so it’s really finicky to get it to work.
Because TVs are better than monitors and KB+mouse would be unconfortable on a couch. Most PC gamers also use their PC to work
But not for everyone, so tive option tochoose..
Because to be able to use a mouse and keyboard you need to have a minimum use of the gray matter of your brain and on consoles they don't know how to use their brains because they need Assisted aim
Mouse is easy mode, so actually takes less brain power and concentration, if you want to get into being a dick about it. Aim assist is perfectly viable and valid to even the playing field in that regard. Mouse feels great in FPS, yes. Nobody disputes that, but keyboard is clunky and technically inferior to a controller in both ergonomic design and mechanically. When you factor in other features like rumble, haptics, analogue buttons, etc, keyboard is archaic and mouse is just good for aiming efficiently, but is just as archaic and useless in just about everything else but niche genres. But have fun with your pretty rainbow lights you undoubtebly have on your mechanical typewriter whilst you battle carpal tunnel in COD.
@@mikejenkins4924the LT RT combo of playing with aim assist is piss easy. Controller is worse in literally every genre with the exception of racing/car games. Also, nobody really cares about haptics outside of your yellow paint console movie-games. Most people, by a massive margin, play almost exclusively multiplayer games. Games where KBM is the most competitive, skilful, and overall best option. Literally the only real thing controller has over KBM is portability, and that’s the only reason they are used.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂super true, they need cheats
@@pliat I would beg to differ. Souls games are miles better with a controller, as are fighting games, and sports games such as Fifa, all with a massive multiplayer community, and in the case of fighting games and Fifa, a pro one at that.
Twin stick shooters, games with fixed camera design, etc. Only viable on controller. Fixed camera games don't work with keyb unless tank controls, for example.
The world is a big place, and there are more than 1 or 2 people playing the games that you are placing in some sort of niche category. Your immediate bubble may be playing COD or Valorant, Overwatch, LOL, Fortnight, whatever, and although they have a massive playerbase, it doesn't make them the only or most important playerbase as far as the gaming landscape goes, even on PC, where the controller is gaining traction as the preferred peripheral in the aforementioned game genres and games.
The keyboard requires plenty of skill, but because it is a peripheral that was never designed with gaming in mind, so it isn't as intuitive nor ergonomic for gaming. All it has going for it is the mouse combo and more buttons. But the actual design and lack of analogue technology (not sticks) make it the inferior peripheral in every way. Make the best out of a bad situation, kind of thing.
You say nobody cares about haptics outside of "console movie games" (which are also selling like hotcakes on PC, go figure) but for FPS games they add a whole extra dimension to feel and functionality. Depending on how much you press the trigger, you get different fire types and feedback. You may not care about it, but as a technology you cannot simply ignore and discard it's potential, either.
@@mikejenkins4924 i don’t play those games so i wouldn’t know if a controller is better. However the KBM is still the best type of input. You can play almost every single genre of game with it, and it is the best input in most of them, and in many cases, the only usable input method, like RTS. KBM is still the overall best, most precise, and most versatile. Designed for gaming or not, it is superior.
Because keyboards are HORRIBLE interfaces.
This!
Ha?
No
Good for Word and Excel...
exactly - i play mostly on pc and i refuse to play with keyboard and mouse - i love haptics and playing keyboard and mouse just isn't comfortable and causes strain
I game with a controller on my PC because I grew up gaming on consoles. I only use MKB for birds eye view RPG games which is rare and that's it. A controller is vastly superior to MKB even for shooters I find. I dont wanna end up looking like the Hunchback of Notter Dame and having finger joint problems which is what MKB does to you lol. With a controller you not only have way more control and comfort but also can sit further back relaxed keeping a healthy posture and as an added bonus sitting further back from your monitor is not only better for your eye health but also makes the image appear much sharper.
Also panning the camera with a mouse is super jittery and not smooth at all unlike using an analog stick which pans the camera way smoother. There's more input lag with a mouse.
We need to get away from this urban myth that PC gamers "only" use MKB or that MKB is "better" which is not the case
Lot of bs on this comment
@@hectorgomez401 I mean aside from the mouse has more latency thing, What is BS in this comment ?
@@steveqi9309 It’s possible to maintain proper posture with KBM and most people who play games at a high level do so you just have to get used to it
Also panning the camera with a mouse can be smooth so long as you have a decently sized mousepad and a stable hand.
Because it’s an unfair advantage on FPS games. Keep that crap on PC.
It's an unfair advantage because it's a superior control method. Controllers are nowhere near as accurate as keyboard and mouse.
@@KriegersBeasts 🤮🤮🤮
Is not that the mouse is too good is that the controller is crap fpr shooters
Very, very crap.
Why this type of a question is even highlighted?
Two different things,2 different usages.🎮
Because is fricking uncomfortable, i dont even use it to play on PC... M+K make me maintain a position i dont like, gamepad allows any position i want
That is you, not everyone
I don't believe any video game should be played with with M/KB.
Thank you!
Try controller without aim assist in fps games against MnK in mp😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@DeluxPrimus Do that all the time…
@@Snoy_Fly what? Mento😂
@@DeluxPrimus That’s how I play FPS. With controller and no aim assist.
Mouse and keyboard should be default for every single game on console choices is always god.
Believe it or not, mouse and keyboards were never meant for gaming in the first place and I don't particularly enjoy using them even on PC, doesn't mean I can't though
The difference is snobby PC gamers can't use controllers and it's hilarious listening to them cry about it.
Play F.E.A.R on the Xbox 360 at 30fps on the hardest setting and finish it, I bet Mr PC master race can't do it.
I was killing PC gamers in Shadowrun with my lowly peasant controller on the 360 too when it was cross play back in the day
It's also funny how it's an option on PC to have a controller, but ask on the Steam forums if a game has controller support and you get the usual PC master race BS replies
Slapping tacky RGB lights on office peripherals doesn't make them cool either lol
That is you, not everyone. Without aim assist(the real cheat[not far from aimbot]) you will be dead in every fps game against MnK players, dont even try😂. Solution just give option for every and sepate lobby by input device.. so easy
Controller >>>>>>>>>> Keyboard and mouse
Real gamers agree
KBM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>controller
@@pliat @KriegersBeasts 🤣🤣🤣
Because keyboard and mouse is form of Cheating in Games.
That you havr an inferior form of control (for some type of games) doesnt mean is cheating
@@marcos1669 , inferior? Using mouse is definitely an skill issue, which means Mouse and keyboard users has lower skill than controller user.
Keyboard and mouse is an easy mode. Controller is the hard mode.
@@QuantumChrist that is like saying that Verstappen beats you at racing because he is running an F1 and you are on an stock Honda Civic ...
@@QuantumChristcontrollers are so poor at aiming that heavy aim assist is needed in games to make sure they are playable. Even in singleplayer.
@@pliat , poor? It's skill issue that's why console player specialy in fps game are the better player compared to keyboard user,
keyboard and mouse is for babies. Controller is for Men.
Mouse and Keyboard are such a boring way to play video games. Thats why i play pc games mostly on the steam deck now.
Gaybox series x is too weak to handle mouse and keyboard. MEGA L FOR THE FANQUEERS
Cool story kid 😂
Xbox has mouse and keyboard support.
@@sizablekoala6879 For type writing and email 🗿
Why? WASD will never feel as good as a left analogue stick. Mouse is easy mode, but sucks for third person camera and about everything else, except for RTS's. And why the hell would I want a clunky controller on the sofa? I never have a problem in cross-play, so the difference can't be as big as they want to make out. Aim-assist is practically a mouse at this point with a good player, so evens the easy mode playing field.
your fellow console players think that using a mouse is equivalent to cheating.
So ypu want the challenge to come from fighting the analogue stick? That's why you need auto aim. Controllers are terrible at aiming. I'd rather play a game myself. Not have a controller do all the aiming for me.
@@arsenii_yavorskyi I play both, and I wouldn't call it cheating, but it is definitely more precise to the point of being easy mode. But if you are good enough with a right stick, there isn't much difference, if any.
@@KriegersBeasts I don't fight it with auto-aim on, as it feels identical to easy mouse mode, but more natural.
@@mikejenkins4924 What you call "easy mode" is just the skill ceiling being raised. The mouse is better.