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Stop spreading the fake news! There is no country call somalia! What you fail to understand is, The state of somaliland united with italia somalia to be came The Somali Republic! Not Zoomalia! Misinformation is a disease. Correct your self before dishing out a false information!
@@joboring8397 The United Nations is an international organization founded in 1945 after the Second World War by 51 countries committed to maintaining international peace and security, developing friendly relations among nations and promoting social progress, better living standards and human rights.
@@michaelandreipalon359 many of us fled to the west, while others went on to become presidents and prime ministers of Somalia-greatest tribe in Somalia no debate
@@michaelandreipalon359 The bad drawing of borders for former colonies and vassal states was common all over the world.. it was intentionally done. You see those who have done these things have a long timeline for their objective.
Really no mention of the Communist Soviet Union arming both Ethiopia and Somalia to the teeth and both of these African nations were Socialist, but at this time the Russians viewed Ethiopia as a bigger prize and tried to talk Somalia out of invading the Ogedon. But did the Somalis listen, Noooooo. The interesting thing is Somalia almost won, also not mentioned between 15 to 25 thousand Communist Cuban soldiers helped Ethiopia turn the tide.
Somalia was trained and armed by the entire arab league and the soviets for 13 years while Ethiopia was in civil war and most of ethiopias old army were excuted by the commies its slightly before thebqar did ethiopia become die hard commie and the soviets got interested before that ethiopians had no support what so ever
But ogaden is somali owned inhabited land which the british gave to Ethiopians 1950 just like they gave nfd to kenya which is also somali native inhabited
The UN doomed a lot of places into becoming warzones for at least some amount of time. Only thing different with Somalia is that it's (sadly) still a warzone. Anyway, thanks for another great episode of Untangling Africa! It's nice to see people spreading information about an often overlooked but very important area of the world!
@@trcaptainsidog a warzone is a place like eastern ukrain with active shells going on 24/7. In somalia you bascially don't have this accept for some random rouge bomb
Being an active duty US Marine at that time, I can tell you why things went to shit: Poor Intel. It's that simple. No HUMINT to speak of; in fact, things probably would have gone much, much better had the peacekeepers not listened to ANY of their "sources", who knew how to play the UN and other forces like a newly tuned guitar.
@@declanjones556 that incident certainly didn't help a situation that was already bad due to a lack of intelligence. And better intelligence would have, almost definitely, prevented that incident from occurring in the first place
@@jmanj3917 Did not help that Clinton did not allow the US forces to deploy in more heavier support or vehicles either for the Operations. It was a request that was denied I heard. Any truth in this?
The Ogaden war was a success as the Somali national army reclaimed all of the Somali territory in Ethiopia. However like you stated in the video the Soviet Union abandoned Somalia and sided with Ethiopia. They didn’t just provide equipment but intelligence, war tactics with the help of Soviet generals and even provide manpower by involving other communist nations like Cuba, South Yemen and Libya who all sent soldiers to help Ethiopia fight Somalia. One more important point to keep in mind is after the war the Ethiopian government started funding and training clan militias especially SNM and SSPF both in northern Somalia to divide and destroy Somalia from within. All of this could have been avoided if Somalis in Ethiopia and Kenya were allowed to chose their own path after independence. Both these communities were marginalised and oppressed for wanting to unite with Somalia. Also in Djibouti the french held a rigged referendum as the majority of Somalis wanted to unite with Somalia with the minority Afars voting against uniting with a larger ethnic group. Greater Somalia will happen its just matter of when as its supported by majority of all Somalis in different regions like me. My family is from northern Somalia (Somaliland state). Long live Somaliweyn 💙🇸🇴
How can you be a somalilander and be Somali weyn stop kissing ass after how many of our people they killed Somalia will never be fixed and were better off being our own country we’re not fighting with each other so might as well
Somália is in a very strategic position. Keeping the country fragmented and weakened with internal conflicts maybe serves someone interests regarding trade. When a country remains destibalized for this long, after all the international "support and help", I assume some foul play. Like destroying Africa's cotton economy by flooding them with charited textiles.
Somali's plus countless tribal groups have done a fine job fragmenting and destabilizing every region in Africa. They don't need outside help to wreck anything positive which they could build upon.
@@LuvBorderCollies europeans caused most of Africa to be destabilised don't blame the people in Somalias case it was split into 3 and lands were given to Ethiopia and Kenya which had no rights to those lands.
It serves many peoples interests. Not only for trade as well. Land/ Sea grab, European/Asian countries that dump toxic waste, and chemicals into our waters, Those that illegally fish ( quickly labeled piracy when fishermen fought back) and much more. It’s extremely annoying knowing that it’s labeled an internal struggle when outside forces play a big part.
@@kh7736 yes thats true but it still doesn't mean European powers destabilized Somalia on purpose in order for their trade benefits. I think the guy above is trying to say that for now the group causing destabilization right now are clans mostly that are not funded by some foreign power Who the heck does not know that Europeans caused general destabilization of Afircan countries in the beginning?
I think the colonial borders and the divisions that came because of them are the major cause of this conflict, this is a very common thing to see in Africa where European powers drew up the borders. I think the drought also had a major role in destabilizing the country and making the central government weak.
The bad drawing of borders for former colonies and vassal states ( and see down even to the system of titling of lands for private land ownership and apportionment was badly done ) ..this was common all over the world and it was intentionally done. Purposefully. You see those who have done these things have a long timeline for their objective.
I would say it doesn’t really apply to Somalia. The mass majority are the same ethnicity, we have the same religion and language. ( Although the French did stop Djibouti from joining us) It’s not like other African countries that have a multitude of ethnicities and religions. Foreign powers definitely did play a part though they were selling guns left and right to war lords.
@@sophia-yd3ds no, the problem in Somalia was the opposite. Instead of a big country that forced millions of different people into one big land, Somalia was cut up into small pieces and many Somalis were left out of Somalia. So the borders are still a problem, it’s just the opposite problem.
@@Handle0108 Yeah but he was implying more of what I had said before. A problem that other African countries face. Plus I don’t really think us being separated is an issue as of now when it comes to our current problems.
@@Handle0108 bruh. Somalia isn't split apart. Ask any somalilander if they identify with greater Somalia. Greater Somalia makes as much sense as pan arabism.
@Deadpoppin some parts are rebuilding quite fast. The central parts seem much more peaceful than the southern parts. Place has a lot of attractions if you search it up
The UN/US forces intervention was an absolute disaster and unnecessary. Yes, Somalis were starving and fighting in the 1990s but a Nation will eventually solve its own problems by itself with time independently. Unfortunately, when you throw in foreign intervention and interests in another country the war becomes much more complicated and peace becomes an unattainable dream. Had the intervention not come to Somalia things would probably have been very different today. If the UN really just wanted to feed starving Somalis there were more subtle and better ways to do it rather than armed boots on the ground.
What a load of bullshit, look at the history of any nation and you'll see that a lot of war had to happen before things settled down, it's the way things are. People don't just magically coexist, and we have some tens of thousands of years worth of warfare in our past to prove it, but somehow people like you still love to spew your pacifist garbage, even though it goes against all logic. If people like you had their way every nation would simply bleed out over time, and nothing would ever change because you're afraid to sacrifice to make things better for the next generation.
The reason why US Marines and UN soldiers were sent to Somalia was because the local warlords were seizing the food shipments meant for the starving civilian population, and instead used it to feed their armies. The outcome of the intervention is regrettable, I agree, but would you sit by and not do anything? At hindsight, it's easy too see that the UN should have left things alone, but at the time, people around the world wanted to help the starving civilians, especially the children.
@@wolfu597 true, hindsight is 20/20 But still, at the time there were only two main relevant warlords: Farah Aidid and Ali Mahdi who were fighting over the south of the country. Aidid had the most weapons because he was a former general and had a large portion of the former army behind him. In other words, peace could only be achieved through Aidid. However, the UN/US forces instead decided to hunt Aidid killing thousands of innocents in the process which angered his forces and turned the Somali population against the US/UN intervention, this lead to things like Black hawk down and the pull out of UN/US forces from Somalia leading to a big crisis which left the country much worse than before the intervention. Not to mention that with Aidid dead and not being able to take back control of the country, the remaining state institutions collapsed and the Somalian military dispersed into different factions and warlords. All order and respect for the government authority died there, and no group has been able to create a functioning government ever since. There was a time when it would take one broadcast from Radio Mogadishu to calm the whole country, and one police officer would bring order to a whole town but now people couldn’t care less until you roll in tanks to their front door. I believe that a great opportunity was lost when the US/UN decided to take matters into their own hands and naively involve themselves in the Somali civil war which was not theirs to fight.
unlikely. The country had too many factions fighting one another, even united coalitions and governments regularly had factions infighting or splitting off, the country is and was deeply divided along tribal lines, and the country has serious issues with jihadists and islamists sowing chaos. The civil war is less like the American Civil War with 2 factions fighting and more like the Yugoslav wars with factions breaking off and fighting one another, only in Somalia there arent neat lines to split ethnic groups off since people often have loyalty to tribal lines or religious sects which are all intermingled.
Somalia was almost importing nothing in the late 70s as it industrialised and used it's natural resources, it was backstabbed by the Soviets and Saudis who pushed them to go to war against Ethiopia then showed them their backs as they feared Somali oil coming to the market. The same happened with Iraq
They viewed themselves more Arab than African, but the Saudi's and soviets saw them just like normal black Africans and left them to fight among themselves. Same to Libya. Since Gadaffi, its never recovered.
@@auroraborealis4878 many do. The country has many arabic speakers, arabic is an official language in the country, they joined the Arab league and participate in the pan-arab games, different tribes/clans trace their ancestry back to Arab forefathers, the word "Somali" is an Arabic term, they have tons of arabic cultural influence, they consume a lot of arabic media and produce arabic media, many in the country have north african arab DNA, they're of course predominantly Muslim, were once an arab colony, and many both inside and outside of the Arab world include Somalia in the Arab world. "Arab" is a pretty broad term, there are self described Arabs from Mauritania to western Iran and down to Somalia. There's also multiple definitions of "Arab" with some using mainly religious, ethnic, genetic/genealogical, cultural, and/or linguistic metrics to define "Arab" with some Arabs having almost no DNA from the Arabian peninsula and others not speaking Arabic and others not being Muslim. It's kind of like trying to define who's "white" or "western", there's many definitions and many people cant agree.
If Somali has enough Oil and the Somali president doesnt dance to US music, democracy incomming in 3..2..1.. And there will be no people in the youtube comments saying "Slava Somali" like now. Yes, Im talking to you. You UA-cam comment writer that has so much heart for Ukraine but will not waste 1 second condeming US actions :-)
All the former colonies around the world wanted the Europeans out, some did it by violent methods. You got your wish .... NOW SOLVE YOUR OWN PROBLEMS WITHOUT WHINING TO THE U.N. Stand on your own 2 feet and build your country and quit blaming everyone else for your problems your people caused themselves.
The West doesn't want United Somalia, because they know Somalis are 100% Muslim and will not listen to the west , and they will do there own thing , Somalia has the longest coast line in Africa, untapped natural resources, second most strategic water in the world bab al mandem , insha'Allah Somalia will rise
bruhh you isaq too um in the north we chilling since 1991 , the reason Somalia will never stand their own legs again is us the isaaq if we re join Somalia and play big role again Somalia would become better and stronger Somalia need us as leaders take my word
@@5cents246 facts bro , that's why farmajo and other leaders in the south should let someone from the north be the president of Somalia and how Somalia becomes powerful
@@haberjeclo8036 if you look deeper into Somaliland and Somalia relationship that's how it looking right now, we should abandon Somaliland and take big piece of the cake in Somalia , and we are capable to become the future president as isaaq even Somaliland recognition we should have big role in somalia to have higher chance of recognition in the future , cadaan will never help as wallhi but since muus biix come back from usa he have the same point of view as mine he seen that isaaq should have big role in Somalia
@@5cents246 I agree with u 100% bro ,what most of us in the north don't understand is that no matter ur tribe if ur Haber jeclo darood hawiye or other isaaq,were ever u go u are seen as Somali northing else no somaliland or puntland or jubaland we are one , laakin we have politicians who are separating us , but I think us isaaq youth , should connect more with our Somalis in the south so our economy and people and all Somalis could live good life peaceful, which tribe u from if u don't mind asking u bro
Somalia is finally on the path of becoming a stable country and these constant documentaries about war and starvation are not helpful. Let us reconcile and heal on our own without exploiting our history and using it to perpetuate this negative perception of the country.
Especially sad since all of them shoulder the blame solely on Somalis rather than the ambition of foreign powers and their efforts to destabilize the country
As an Aussie who served on Op Solace, our contribution to the US led effort, this was fascinating to listen to. We were stationed in Baidoa, and were devastated when we left, and it all went to shit. So many of us have issues from what we saw there, it’s a fucked up place. Next year in Canberra, we will be leading the ANZAC day March for our 30th anniversary and having a reunion there as well.
Go tell how you’ve turn the native aboriginals in Australia on how you’ve turn their lives into sh!t by interfering and stealing their lands and wealth. Not to mention the murderous war crimes you recently committed in Afghanistan by your own fellow soldiers. Stop acting like you’re saving lives when you’re actually the ROOT cause of it. It’s like a twilight zone seeing some of you people on how out of touch with reality you truly are.
@@alifarah9 for me personally, without going into specific incidents, it was the complete and total disregard for your fellow human being by a lot of people there. Life was worth nothing except your own tribe, and within that, women were nothing. Basically possessions. Was a massive culture shock to me. How people can care so little for others. Starving children, woman used a pack mules, murder, rape. Just heart wrenching.
@@alifarah9 glad you and your family made it here mate. It’s a nightmare, so sad, because there were some good people there, but the feuding between clans was insane. They were all attacking each other, as if they didn’t, they would be the only ones not doing it and seem like an easy target, so they had to.
American forces at this time were fighting an Anti-Insurgency war. And they are difficult at best to win if your seen as an foreign occupier. Nice video.
@@blessingchanne1866 yeah madrasas form most of the schooling in the country and they tend to reinforce the tribal politics and create a lot of religious zealots. Even high ranking officials in the government(s) have been killed by suicide bombings, a recent case even involved a sleeper agent in the government blowing herself up to kill the mayor of Mogadishu, and those attacks often come from extremists from the madrasas.
One is often confused when looking at the internal struggles in Africian nations. Definitely in the post World War two era of independence from the colonial powers, old tribal and cultural divisions and mistrust worked their way to the surface and caused conflict which led to armed insurections and infighting. Not even communist or socialist ideologies could address or put a band aid on the divisions which had by then regressed to tribalism and its antagonism between the groups for control and power. Even strong dictatorships that arose fell in disarray. External forces like the US led intervention and the UN could only exert some control for a short while. It has been rule by the barrel of the gun for some time. A chaotic old western movie type scene of armed groups engaged in the occasional fire fights and no governmental enforced legal structures and law enforcement prevails. Unfortunately the people in Somalia will have to sort out the situation themselves, until common live and let live attitudes create a new low violence norm and discussions to sort out the mess can gain ground.
Africa as a hole seems to suffer from a very common problem. There have not traditionally been centralized governments. So like the sub-states of Europe in the 1800s, and every other society in history they are having a hard time working out borders that conform to the various peoples of the continent. European colonialism in Africa, like in the Middle East thru to India, used a policy of divide and conquer, splitting ethnic populations down the middle then matching two or more antagonistic factions into a single "country" that was constantly at odds with itself, making it easier for the colonial power to oversee. The long term result after the colonies collapsed is what we see now, countries that are unnatural trying to establish a central government with no historical experience in shared power, coupled with environmental changes and an overall world tendency towards right wing "my way only" attitudes and policies. (See Hungary, USA, France, Russia, etc)
To be fair there are so many tribes in the continent(each countrythats exist today could be sliced up into hundreds of Microstates), and thats makes it imposibble to draw borders in any way, if africa want peace then they should abolish their tribal society first or try to make some kind of goverment out of it, and dont blame the europeans for everything, even without them there would be wars because of tribalism
@@istvanszatmari8803 ... True, not everything was due to European colonialism. It just took advantage of already existing conflicts and used them to the European's advantage. ... Exactly how would African nations "abolish their tribal society"? Human societies in general are always "us versus not us" to control assets and opportunities. For example, in Ukraine it's Slavic Ukrainians vs Slavic Russians, in the US it's Republicans vs democracy, in France it's Center vs Right, Iraq sets Sunni vs Shiite, India/Pakistan sets Muslims vs Hindus, Sri Lanka just dissolved its government, etc
Personally I think one of the main trends is most colonies happen to be run down at the start of independence and supported by Soviets, this confidence makes them attack the enemy and tend to lose
^ also they almost always ended up having untapped resources and social hierarchy was via tribe/clan systems mostly, leading to civil wars Ah and I personally think that since colonies of countries rarely get treated as well as the homeland, the colonies end up more run down then the rest of teh world, society has also advanced So much changes in a small span of time or risk getting cut off results in a situation where a government of sorts is hastily formed with utter confusion (since it’s more or less their first time governing)
If he had held back on it and invested into making somalia more wealthy and educated before marching straight into Ethiopia this would give somalia the chance of become somewhat developed and this would have the added benefit of making more people unite on the basis of ethnic and national identity rather than clan based ones
Somalia was going to collapse regardless it couldn't compete with the USSR flooding ethiopia 6 billion dollars compared to Somalia's 50 million dollars it was only a matter of time before it got one sided
Somalia under Siad Barre was heading in the right direction, improving the lives of citizens and having built a strong army and a centralized government until Barre decided to invade Ethiopia. Every Somali tells you that was his greatest mistake and a turning point for Somalia and the main reason why Somalia is struggling to have a functioning central government until today. After his army was defeated by Ethiopia with the support of the eastern block, the Ethiopians trained and supported different warlords and helped Somaliland to separate from Somalia. Consecutive Ethiopian governments made sure Somalia was divided and weak so it will never be a threat again. If Barre didn’t start the war against Ethiopia the story of Somalia would have been very different and bright. Don’t ever start a war, for every war has its own life and you would never know how it will end.
Fr, the UN fucked up a lot but things only seemed to have gone completely tits up after the US started to take further lead. And you can't get much worse than destroying a country then literally funding warlords
These more of the history of the first civil war. I highly anticipated the role UN plays to still distabilize Somalia and how it weaponizes food and destroys agriculture. Somalia is basically a United nations ran country. And it's evident in the involvement of the. Agency in Somali politics let's wait for 2024 and Atmis withdrawal.
The Constitution of somalia tells "Somalia belongs to Somalis" till today the hope to restore for greater Somalia remains. Peace and Liberty will prevail in our beloved Greater Somalia. 🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴♥️
And all we get back is hatred and being blamed for all the world's problems, you know like corrupt tribal chiefs and blood thirsty Marxist nut jobs. My dad was in the Korean War and his position was ......stay out of foreign countries...let them kill each other....we don't need to be in the middle of their problems they bring upon themselves.
Sorry a bit of inaccuracy the US forces were saved by malaysian and Pakistani forces backed and supported with Pakistani Armour unit who saved the US forces from being slaughtered
British somaliland has been peaceful since it declared independence and is democratic. One theory suggests that the reason for this is because it was a protectorate, not a colony. Britain didnt interfere with the local culture and life in contrast to Italian Somaliland which was a full colony. Thus Somalis in the north retained their traditional ways of sorting disputes whereas in the south the Italians tried to impose the Italian way. So when the colonial powers left it didnt cause much of a mess in the north because they were already self governing for the most part. Another African country which had little social interference from its colonial master was the British "protectorate" in Botswana. Today Botswana is one of the few sub-saharan countries which is fully democratic, peaceful, has one of the highest literacy rates on the continent and a decent economy.
yeh i'm from the north and we been chilling since 1991 after we defended siyaad barre , in south the opposite has happened as alshabab and other group fighing over power and money from arab countries such as Qatar and uae
@@5cents246 you the northerns are the one who supports al shabab alot of evidence came out of hargiesa supporting al shabab. And guess no one will recognize ur regions since u are the real problem here
That's not the case the north had a clear successor clan that dominates the north in every aspect, but the southern clans couldn't dominate each other.
@Nur ibn Muzaffar No the original post is CORRECT. Has nothing to do with the fact that it is mostly inhabited by the Isaaq tribe. Somalia is mostly inhabited by other tribes and they constantly kill eachother. Even those from the same tribe in Hawiye kill eachother and those from the same tribe in Darod kill eachother. This doesnt happen in Somaliland because the people are CIVILISED and from a different culture with different values and norms to the people of Somalia. Simple as.
My father died at hands of barre army in Somaliland in 1988. I’m 42 now and 8 then and been in London since 1991. Live and learn is all I can say. Be a peaceful human being but demand your share and job.
You bring selfish comments, remember 1.5 millions innocent peoples killed by Mooryaan criminal as well as outsiders. You sub tribes isaaq. You always talking bulshit stupid things iam sure your tribes thugs committed more than sayad Barre did. As we know Today your tribe wanting to rule other people's not wanting you or share anything with you jailed thousands innocent peoples whom against your tribes, so please shut up don't bring your noisy nonsense comments here. Remember one more thing iam somali I never talked international communities inside our issues, I'm sure most somali people do Same except your people noisy people like you .Remember if you guys not happy to be Somalian go somewhere else move out, 🇸🇴 Somalia belongings to Somalian.
alleh ha uu naxariisto aabaha walalo and may he reunite you all in jannah! May Allah allow us to learn from our history and allow all of the lands that Somalis inhabit to be one that is peaceful and prosperous.
Somalia would have won if the Americans (who started backing Somalia when the USSR started fully backing Ethiopia) had given Somalia more support. Good video tho, Would love to see one on the Ogaden war.
Ronald Reagan had a famous quote - "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. " The sentiment of that quote as it applies to the UN is applicable in this, and many other situations around the world all through the history of the UN. The UN is a toothless tiger. It was formed specifically to KEEP this kind of stuff from happening - not to exacerbate it. It was also formed to keep stuff like Russia rolling into Ukraine from happening as well, but that doesn't seem to be working out very well, either.
Again, it either needs a really huge reform campaign (most likely improbable, but not impossible), or it needs to be replaced with a real life Global Defense Initiative sort of agenda and system (might need a lot of PR and political support, but with some nudging, well...). The entire world will be like a military police state, though, so not everyone will like the idea.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Historically such ideas go even worse. The reform idea is the only one that doesn't lead to even worse outcomes. A reform I would suggest is a simple start UN peacekeepers before entering any theater go and send intel specialists in just to talk to people living in the nation. Dangerous? Yes but would help build much more solid pictures. Even if every one they talk to gives them a 90% wrong picture with enough they can piece together something coherent and mostly correct.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Considering most issues the UN creates can be directly traced back to no or unreliable intel I think my option is a better idea to start. Though that still won't help with the horrifically rampant corruption within the organization that is largely responsible for the rest of its myriad of problems.
The UN is kind of a mess and rarely agree on a course of action which seriously hampers efforts, and Africa moreso than most places in the world different countries disagree a lot and want to back different groups. Look up wars in Africa and check who's backing which side and you'll see the USSR and the PRC backing opposing sides, France and America backing opposing sides, and in at least one case the US and USSR backing the same side. When foreign countries do succeed in operations in Africa it's rarely as part of a UN effort and more of a solo mission. France succeeded in Operation Serval for example and i cant imagine the UN carrying out a similar operation even with more soldiers and equipment than France used.
It forgot to mention (very conveniently ) that when Ethiopia received Soviet support, Barre received vast amounts of US support during his genocide. Its why the USA put a missile into a meeting of Aidids tribal elders , TWO WEEKS before the Rangers tried to kidnap what was left of them. Then made a movie to try to justify it. In the movie , General Garrison refers to 300,000 dead as "genocide" at the same time that The US Secretary of State referred to the deaths of 1.5 million Iraqi civilians from US led Sanctions as "worth it". The issue for the US was that peace talks by the UN were working, even with womens groups involved in negotiations.
If the colonial powers never pulled out the war lords would have never gotten as much power as they did. as for the us, it’s obvious as every insurgency we face they always underestimate insurgencies
you can't really help a place that is not willing to cooperate, probably because of their primitive beliefs different tribes that would rather kill each other than talk despite their poor state self interest always comes first
The tribal mindset wanted "freedom" whatever that is. They found out when they got their wish. Basically they got the tribal Stone Age with modern tools like motor vehicles and guns, and strong man thugs to brutally suppress any opposition.
@@Jupiter.141 they have had empires lasting centuries but for some reason they struggled to unite after independence maybe it had to do with colonial countries founding the clans against each other and in 30yrs killing a third of the ethnic group population leading to entire sub clans being wiped out but please ignore that
reading about the factions is a bit insane. Factions join together, fracture into multiple coalitions, in fight, fight each other, and unite. It's even worse than Yugoslavia.
@@user-qy6tu9ip9v Ethiopia lost 10s of thousands of troops in Somalia in 2006 nad were forced to pull out, Ethiopia, allegedly one of the best militaries in Africa, couldn't take Mogadishu or an inch of Somali territory despite there being no standing army lmao. We got beat by Libya, Yemen, Soviets, and Cubans. When it was one vs one we were a couple of kilometers away from Finfinne. Mind you that Somalia and Ethiopia both collapsed in 1991 because Somalia was training nad supporting Eritrea and TPLF lmao. Meles and Afwerki were in Mogadishu in the same building.
Yes that's is right that this is caused by the dream of greater somalia but You can't win with out lose Still we will never give up to take back our Greater Somalia we have no animosity with our african brothers we want only our land The colonizers did not hand our land Ethiopia and kenya being hate us and love Kenya and Ethiopia they handed ourland to create hostility between africa today half of our land is inthe Ethiopia and kenya
Those colonial borders are basically the source of all the political turbulence in Somalia because it disrupted the delicate natural power balance amongst the clans thereby creating instability within the body politic in the country. They can't have a functional state with half its polity excluded and still be stable and the issue of reunification with the Ogaden, NFD and the Somali part of Djibouti was a burning issue for independence movements pre independence and all governments post independence if it fails the only solution for the current Somali state is it's dissolution into clan states which might affect even the former British Somaliland which might break down into 3 states.
Somalia's borders today included multiple single states. The Majeerteen Sultanate included most of Somalia and existed before colonization and the Omani empire directly controlled most of the major cities along the coast. Somalia would have issues no matter the map since their ethnic/tribal/clan groups are so spread out and intermingled it makes clean borders nearly impossible without carrying out some serious population redistribution. Even in cities like Mogadishu you've got multiple groups all together. A lot of the political divisions are due to ethnic/tribal/clan divisions.
The idea of Greater Somalia sound very similar to the idea of Akhanda Bharat (union of all of the south Asia) which many Indians envision, however the ethenic diversity, lack of political will and constant economic and political stability in the region makes it almost impossible to to achieve
Do all south Asians speak one language? One religion? One look? One culture? Lol nothing similar here..somali is one family..30+million with nothing but one lineage
not an apt comparison. Rajistanis have almost no relation to Tamil people, whether language, culture, religion, ethnicity, etc. somalis whether from ogaden, somaliland, mogadishu, or puntland all speak the same language, all muslim, all have the same culture etc.
The country is a classic over-divided african nation. And also, partnering with the Soviets was a big mistake. And finally, yes: this showed how useless the UN is.
That is the most false thing ever lmao the most qabilist somalis are in Somaliland and puntland and I from both those regions isaaqs love the clan system so do majeerteen
Must say, the cowing existence of a huge USMC force in the nation sure echoes the Galactic "Old" Republic's and the Galactic Empire's modus operandi of Star Wars when it came to countering the CIS and the nascent Rebellion.
The problem of Somalis is every president of somalia wants to become dictator don't wanna hold an elections that is what is causing the problem the system is failure every president wants to dictates the government's
It is utterly disgusting the policy of the US to fund the infighting inside Somalia backing now the very same warlords that fought in the 90s to counter the islamist that they also cause by their reckless foreign policies in the 2000s...
The yanks trying to rebuild the entire state of Somalia got to love them for that… no oil no nothing just hunger en bullets USA cool back then exeptional !
Long live the republic of Somaliland!! The minute said barre declared genocide against us is when “greater Somali” died. How tf u go to war against the pioneers of “Somali weyn” in the name of “Somali weyn”..??🤦♂️
he was wrong and doesn't represent the majority of Somalis. Somali weyn is still alive you separatists seem to have forgotten we are all one tribe one language one culture Somalis are some of the most ethnically homogeneous groups in the world. Im still a unionist and will instil that in my children as my parents did with me. we are stronger together weaker divided.
My home town of Lewiston Maine has been overrun by Somalis since 2001. 6000+ of them have overwhelmed the schools, the public support networks, and the hospitals. My mother was the victim of a daytime smash-and-grab home invasion back in 2014, perpetuated by a gang of Somali teenagers whom my mother walked in on. She was so terrified, she sold our family home, and moved out of the area.
From British Somalilan we have peace and better live 5G internet and better Electricity only the people using clans Using clan is worse becouse there little clans like our state
A negative thing about colonization coming to an end is that now none of the Great Powers care enough to stop wars like this happening in Africa as there is nothing in it for them.
The people wanted freedom from Europe and they got their wish. They returned to tribalism, and a slightly modernized version of the Stone Age. And they fell back into the witchcraft which controlls so much of Africa's populations.
In most cases they helped fan the flames of already existing social tension and then removed everything that could help and gave them near zero opportunity to improve upon independence other than serving them again through corrupt elites time and time again
They still have interests, it's just that those interests involve keeping conflict going. Why would you want to buy resources from a country that is developed and therefore have more expensive resources due to paying workers more and being in a bigger position to bargain when you could just buy them from a divided nation that uses slave labour?
The US operation to seize Aideed made no sense..had he been captured, another clan leader would have taken his place. And yes, the US actions (killing innocent people, flying the copters over the marketplace (scattering people's produce in the dust) could not have been a better way to NOT win friends. Add to it the arrogance-the idea that Delta Force could win against hose primative Somalis was fatal-once the copters were down the troops were trapped-and the Commanding General had NO Plan B-he had to beg the Pakistanis and Malayns to use their APCs. A disaster from start to finish-which is playing out (again) in Ukraine.
Yep ridiculous than later Condaleeza rice and Bush funded those very same warlords to fight against the Islamic govt because they'd decided it was part of the war on terror but all it did was create Al shabab which was the first islamic terrorist group...
I love the way the narrator labels the people who screwed up Africa as "Idealists". Let's at least try to be truthful. East Africa was divided up based on colonial mandates, but the people have been tribal/clan oriented and religion driven since forever. No one, especially an organization as weak as the UN, can convince, convert or control centuries of tribal/clan thinking. So let's stop blaming inept organizations, Cold War politics and corrupt foreign governments for all of Somalia's problems. Somalis need to set their affairs in order before outside agencies can help them...and Somalia isn't ready to shed its tribal thinking just yet...so good luck.
@@jakobinobles3263 I mention colonial mandates as a source but they aren't the main problem and denying it only brings the real causes of the decline of African nations more clearly into light. Tribalism is by far the single greatest detriment to African stability. Until citizens see themselves as a nation entity there is no possible way they can unite into a sustainable society or government...it's basic human behavior 101. As long as Africans identify more with their tribe than with a national identity there they are doomed to petty squabbles that lead to national disasters. I'm sorry if that reality hurts, but sometimes the truth does that.
@@brianfoley4328 sure there had been problems with the clans before but having the entire traditional system burned to the ground and having colonial countries fund clans against each other it was only a matter of time before it exploded sure the problems start from centuries before but they were much more limited in scale and there was entire States existing for centuries but now even clans are struggling to unite
Brian Foley the country in the Marvel universe that has the most advanced society and strongest metal called vibranium. It’s also the metal used to make captain America’s shield.
Fun fact the US didn't really leave, and you can't forget the commandos and the work they been putting in to stop al-shabaab, but the number 1 problem there is the clans
Ethiopia had those borders long before Britain administered the colony so Britain could never have really done anything about the borders and there's Kenyans mixed with Somolians on the other border. In conclusion the game was rigged from the start for Somalia.
@@averyj5446 I don't care if you believe me or not. I know the truth and that's all that matters. Meeting Somalis like you that would rather live in their own fantasy world where they are right no matter what is nothing new for me. I'm to going to waste my time on you. Stay ignorant if you want to. You worship the pedophile Muhammad so be quiet,
I love this channel. I hate to be so negative with my comment, but it's my opinion that when you have a severely overpopulated country with a lousy climate not conducive to plant growth. You will never have peace with so many fighting for so little. The religious division makes things way worse as well
There’s no religious divisions. And take into account that people have been living there for thousands of years in the same conditions but we didn’t have a major war like this in hundreds of years. There plenty of time periods of peace. The war made these problems worse but it isn’t the cause. Our internal issues plus foreign interference is the cause.
@@Warsaliyusufxamar They clearly state in the video that some factions are Muslim, while some chose to remain Christian. I'm a plumber my friend, I don't claim to know everything about Somalia. If I'm incorrect, please forgive me. It was simply a comment. I meant no harm or disrespect my friend
@@revmo37 I'm Somali and I took no disrespect from what you said at all mate. I don't remember that being stated in the video, but if it is, the video creator is totally wrong. Somalia is pretty much entirely Muslim. Even Christians literally make up LESS than 0.5% of the population, and I'm not exaggerating. The issue with division in Somalia is CLAN based. And all, I mean all, the clans are Muslims.
@@Warsaliyusufxamar I have no doubt that you are correct about your own homeland my friend. Also, thank you for correcting me so politely. You seem like a very decent man. Wishing you all the best from Pittsburgh !
Ever considered that Scandinavian agriculture adapted to the conditions? They grow crops which are capable of surviving the conditions? If you suddenly changed those conditions your crops are gonna die that has nothing to do with where you are Now imagine you are a farm owner in Somalia you worked your farm the last years and it was going quite well you had enough food to eat and sell to make a living But then the next year suddenly everything is dry, all your crops are dying and you have barely left enough for yourself Now you can't sell anything to the city Nor can any of the other farmers because the drought hit them too Now the city didn't produce any food, afterall city's don't do that Now the city doesn't have food with no way to get more because no one has food and the little bit left is expensive
@@awcy6902 and you will also have a mass inflow of broke nomads and farmers into the cities as they don't have anything left. This has caused Somalia to be one of the most urban countries in Africa and even beating way more developed countries like Pakistan.
Honestly this is the most disapointingly the UN acted that I know of... Like you gave up just becuase you'll bearly tried? Like come on how is anyone suposed to take you serously if you give up so quickly and just like the major powers handle things?
@@LuvBorderCollies they were until the UN or USA thump chesting comes in trying to just brute force their way through the country and expect 0 damage to anything. You can't just jump in have zero long term plan and just expect it to miraculously work it will not.
@@LuvBorderCollies Is it working? Which how many times in history has letting the locals short things out saved lives? The Americain Civil War? Japan? But then again they became extremly rasist becuse of it. All the World wars all like 3 of them were solved by the other major powers stepping in like the US or the anti-Napolean allance. Their is also Germany, France, China, Korea, Iraq, Syria and Russia where letting the locals dicide made everything so much more worse and caused more wars and death then not. Which the UN was made to stop WW3 and help ift's mebers like Somalia and every country is in it and can vote on most things... Or atleast talk about it. So yeah in closing Somalia a member of the UN being helped by their fellow members is not a bad thing it's how it's suposed to work.
@CJ Groves there isn't some perfect body out there for every culture and people. We might be led by living corpse and a cackling bafoon but the US is still the country doing the most good in the world.
Sure the people themselves have also fucked themselves over but that's like throwing a liter of petrol into the fire place and when it burns down just say the there already was a fire there so it wasn't my fault
@@michaelhowell2326 "the us is the country doing the most good in the world" I beg you to pick up one book about all the horrible shit the CIA has done. They've destabilised entire countries for the fear that they * might * become communist or because their leader refuses to lick the boots of the United States. Also this video literally outlines how badly they fucked up in Somalia, if the US didn't get involved then Somalia would likely be less destabilised
@@Ayr-me7vb bs. If the UN hadn't stepped, the same people would be complaining that the UN didn't do enough. It's impossible to please you people. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. There isn't a perfect solution for everything.
15:00: Yes. A massive flood outbreak would have done the same. It's just a matter of why and when. We always treat natives as inferior, you know. Blame our own native conflicts against the Amerindians so many years back... this has to stop, obviously, both for PR and pragmatically militaristic reasons. Either way, us Americans have unfortunately lost our touch as the world's best figurative police force since WW2... may that change for good in the coming years, even if it means more blood being shed and morals being temporarily skipped out on.
My dad was in the Korean War and his very firm position was....stay out of foreign countries...let them kill and massacre each other....no reason for the US to get in the middle.
In my opinion that africa will always be a tangled mess of wars due to the lack of beliefs in peace and low intelligent leaders alond with war lords being war lords with that greed being thrown in there too. Africa is a borderline lawless continent and its far beyond saving or even bother taking in refugees. Rhodesia was the only decent country in Africa and its loss marks when Africa doomed itself. Also notice how when we throw white people into a country there it improves drastically but as soon as they leave the place falls apart into chaos, Rhodesia prooved that as well.
Rhodesia literally died because of White people, what are you on? Rhodesia had its support cut from the beginning when the UK didn't recognize it, and South Africa pulled support when they realized supporting a racist society wasn't good for long term sustainability, especially when they were working on ending Apartheid.
European countries are already developed, it’s no surprise that throwing an educated European will improve an underdeveloped African country. It has nothing to do with whether they are white or not, it’s their knowledge, attitude and upbringing which makes the difference. If you threw a European from the Middle Ages or Stone Age in Africa they would improve nothing, so I don’t see your point really.
Also have a look at what the UN are doing in Congo DRC , it has the most UN troops in Africa and they have completely destabilised the east of Congo( Where all the rich resources are).
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The U.N. was pushed into existence by people with very bad intentions. And of course it's the same gang of people who are hidden behind it now.
Stop spreading the fake news!
There is no country call somalia!
What you fail to understand is, The state of somaliland united with italia somalia to be came The Somali Republic! Not Zoomalia!
Misinformation is a disease.
Correct your self before dishing out a false information!
You blame the UN for the incompetence of these people?
@@joboring8397 The United Nations is an international organization founded in 1945 after the Second World War by 51 countries committed to maintaining international peace and security, developing friendly relations among nations and promoting social progress, better living standards and human rights.
General barre basically
"You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain"
Wonder what happened to him and his ilk?
@@michaelandreipalon359 he died on a toilet in Nigeria
If you're being serious, guess IOI learned a thing or two from real life pertaining to their Hitman games.
@@michaelandreipalon359 many of us fled to the west, while others went on to become presidents and prime ministers of Somalia-greatest tribe in Somalia no debate
Great quote. Thank you ! It's now my third favorite after Stonewall Jackson's and George Patton's
Africa has such a crazy recent-war history, I’m so glad someone is finally doing quality documentaries on it. 🇿🇦
Nice shilling there.......
wakanda forever
lmao
The U.N. was pushed into existence by people with very bad intentions. And of course it's the same gang of people who are hidden behind it now.
The poor continent sure is a warzone since the beginning of life in this world...
@@michaelandreipalon359 The bad drawing of borders for former colonies and vassal states was common all over the world.. it was intentionally done. You see those who have done these things have a long timeline for their objective.
Really no mention of the Communist Soviet Union arming both Ethiopia and Somalia to the teeth and both of these African nations were Socialist, but at this time the Russians viewed Ethiopia as a bigger prize and tried to talk Somalia out of invading the Ogedon. But did the Somalis listen, Noooooo. The interesting thing is Somalia almost won, also not mentioned between 15 to 25 thousand Communist Cuban soldiers helped Ethiopia turn the tide.
Somalia was trained and armed by the entire arab league and the soviets for 13 years while Ethiopia was in civil war and most of ethiopias old army were excuted by the commies its slightly before thebqar did ethiopia become die hard commie and the soviets got interested before that ethiopians had no support what so ever
Because ogedon is filled with entnic somalis
It actually all happened because when Fidel Castro tried to mediate he couldn’t stand Barre so much he sided with Ethiopia .
But ogaden is somali owned inhabited land which the british gave to Ethiopians 1950 just like they gave nfd to kenya which is also somali native inhabited
You were not listening
The UN doomed a lot of places into becoming warzones for at least some amount of time. Only thing different with Somalia is that it's (sadly) still a warzone. Anyway, thanks for another great episode of Untangling Africa! It's nice to see people spreading information about an often overlooked but very important area of the world!
Thank you for watching!
@@TheFront No problem! I look forward to the next one :)
Its not a warzone.
@@TacticalRuse How is it not a warzone?
@@trcaptainsidog a warzone is a place like eastern ukrain with active shells going on 24/7. In somalia you bascially don't have this accept for some random rouge bomb
Being an active duty US Marine at that time, I can tell you why things went to shit: Poor Intel. It's that simple. No HUMINT to speak of; in fact, things probably would have gone much, much better had the peacekeepers not listened to ANY of their "sources", who knew how to play the UN and other forces like a newly tuned guitar.
So it’s not because you kill large numbers of non combatants thus turning the population against you and everyone else?
@@declanjones556 that incident certainly didn't help a situation that was already bad due to a lack of intelligence. And better intelligence would have, almost definitely, prevented that incident from occurring in the first place
@@jmanj3917 Did not help that Clinton did not allow the US forces to deploy in more heavier support or vehicles either for the Operations. It was a request that was denied I heard. Any truth in this?
@@OFWGKTADGAF7 Of all the commentaries on these conflicts.... this is the absolute most retarded.
Yeah
The Ogaden war was a success as the Somali national army reclaimed all of the Somali territory in Ethiopia. However like you stated in the video the Soviet Union abandoned Somalia and sided with Ethiopia. They didn’t just provide equipment but intelligence, war tactics with the help of Soviet generals and even provide manpower by involving other communist nations like Cuba, South Yemen and Libya who all sent soldiers to help Ethiopia fight Somalia. One more important point to keep in mind is after the war the Ethiopian government started funding and training clan militias especially SNM and SSPF both in northern Somalia to divide and destroy Somalia from within. All of this could have been avoided if Somalis in Ethiopia and Kenya were allowed to chose their own path after independence. Both these communities were marginalised and oppressed for wanting to unite with Somalia. Also in Djibouti the french held a rigged referendum as the majority of Somalis wanted to unite with Somalia with the minority Afars voting against uniting with a larger ethnic group. Greater Somalia will happen its just matter of when as its supported by majority of all Somalis in different regions like me. My family is from northern Somalia (Somaliland state). Long live Somaliweyn 💙🇸🇴
True
Somalia hanoolaato🇸🇴
Rageedi
How can you be a somalilander and be Somali weyn stop kissing ass after how many of our people they killed Somalia will never be fixed and were better off being our own country we’re not fighting with each other so might as well
Ahmed you are a hero pro.
Somália is in a very strategic position. Keeping the country fragmented and weakened with internal conflicts maybe serves someone interests regarding trade.
When a country remains destibalized for this long, after all the international "support and help", I assume some foul play.
Like destroying Africa's cotton economy by flooding them with charited textiles.
Somali's plus countless tribal groups have done a fine job fragmenting and destabilizing every region in Africa. They don't need outside help to wreck anything positive which they could build upon.
@@LuvBorderCollies europeans caused most of Africa to be destabilised don't blame the people in Somalias case it was split into 3 and lands were given to Ethiopia and Kenya which had no rights to those lands.
It serves many peoples interests. Not only for trade as well. Land/ Sea grab, European/Asian countries that dump toxic waste, and chemicals into our waters, Those that illegally fish ( quickly labeled piracy when fishermen fought back) and much more. It’s extremely annoying knowing that it’s labeled an internal struggle when outside forces play a big part.
As a Somali you hit the nail on the head while blindfolded. Also this is because Some of us Africans are enemies to ourselves.
@@kh7736 yes thats true but it still doesn't mean European powers destabilized Somalia on purpose in order for their trade benefits. I think the guy above is trying to say that for now the group causing destabilization right now are clans mostly that are not funded by some foreign power
Who the heck does not know that Europeans caused general destabilization of Afircan countries in the beginning?
I think the colonial borders and the divisions that came because of them are the major cause of this conflict, this is a very common thing to see in Africa where European powers drew up the borders. I think the drought also had a major role in destabilizing the country and making the central government weak.
The bad drawing of borders for former colonies and vassal states ( and see down even to the system of titling of lands for private land ownership and apportionment was badly done ) ..this was common all over the world and it was intentionally done. Purposefully. You see those who have done these things have a long timeline for their objective.
I would say it doesn’t really apply to Somalia. The mass majority are the same ethnicity, we have the same religion and language. ( Although the French did stop Djibouti from joining us) It’s not like other African countries that have a multitude of ethnicities and religions. Foreign powers definitely did play a part though they were selling guns left and right to war lords.
@@sophia-yd3ds no, the problem in Somalia was the opposite. Instead of a big country that forced millions of different people into one big land, Somalia was cut up into small pieces and many Somalis were left out of Somalia. So the borders are still a problem, it’s just the opposite problem.
@@Handle0108 Yeah but he was implying more of what I had said before. A problem that other African countries face. Plus I don’t really think us being separated is an issue as of now when it comes to our current problems.
@@Handle0108 bruh. Somalia isn't split apart. Ask any somalilander if they identify with greater Somalia. Greater Somalia makes as much sense as pan arabism.
I'm sure the comments section will be civil and level headed
Hehe
They mostly are so far.
Seem fine to me.
Nothing ever is these days. Everyone should know that.
Nobody likes the UN nor Somali warlords so to be honest not much to argue about here
Hope to visit Somalia 🇸🇴 and the rest of Africa, love from Canada 🇨🇦
@Deadpoppin some parts are rebuilding quite fast. The central parts seem much more peaceful than the southern parts. Place has a lot of attractions if you search it up
@Deadpoppin No the most gorgeous and biggest coastline in africa, tasty food and artefacts that are older than several millennia
@Deadpoppin another poor soul brainwashed by Western media . It's okay to remain in your ignorance but hey , why force it on others ?
@Deadpoppin only sides who are borders with Ethiopia and kenya are dangerous. Imagine how 6m live in moqdisho
@Deadpoppin
You were eating the sand 100 years while we live like kings 😂😂😂😂😂
This series is why I started watching your channel. I wish you could post more episodes.
Hopefully we are able to do some more episodes more often!
The UN/US forces intervention was an absolute disaster and unnecessary. Yes, Somalis were starving and fighting in the 1990s but a Nation will eventually solve its own problems by itself with time independently. Unfortunately, when you throw in foreign intervention and interests in another country the war becomes much more complicated and peace becomes an unattainable dream. Had the intervention not come to Somalia things would probably have been very different today.
If the UN really just wanted to feed starving Somalis there were more subtle and better ways to do it rather than armed boots on the ground.
but it sure helped Clinton's ratings.
What a load of bullshit, look at the history of any nation and you'll see that a lot of war had to happen before things settled down, it's the way things are. People don't just magically coexist, and we have some tens of thousands of years worth of warfare in our past to prove it, but somehow people like you still love to spew your pacifist garbage, even though it goes against all logic.
If people like you had their way every nation would simply bleed out over time, and nothing would ever change because you're afraid to sacrifice to make things better for the next generation.
The reason why US Marines and UN soldiers were sent to Somalia was because the local warlords were seizing the food shipments meant for the starving civilian population, and instead used it to feed their armies.
The outcome of the intervention is regrettable, I agree, but would you sit by and not do anything? At hindsight, it's easy too see that the UN should have left things alone, but at the time, people around the world wanted to help the starving civilians, especially the children.
@@wolfu597 true, hindsight is 20/20
But still, at the time there were only two main relevant warlords: Farah Aidid and Ali Mahdi who were fighting over the south of the country. Aidid had the most weapons because he was a former general and had a large portion of the former army behind him. In other words, peace could only be achieved through Aidid.
However, the UN/US forces instead decided to hunt Aidid killing thousands of innocents in the process which angered his forces and turned the Somali population against the US/UN intervention, this lead to things like Black hawk down and the pull out of UN/US forces from Somalia leading to a big crisis which left the country much worse than before the intervention.
Not to mention that with Aidid dead and not being able to take back control of the country, the remaining state institutions collapsed and the Somalian military dispersed into different factions and warlords. All order and respect for the government authority died there, and no group has been able to create a functioning government ever since. There was a time when it would take one broadcast from Radio Mogadishu to calm the whole country, and one police officer would bring order to a whole town but now people couldn’t care less until you roll in tanks to their front door.
I believe that a great opportunity was lost when the US/UN decided to take matters into their own hands and naively involve themselves in the Somali civil war which was not theirs to fight.
unlikely. The country had too many factions fighting one another, even united coalitions and governments regularly had factions infighting or splitting off, the country is and was deeply divided along tribal lines, and the country has serious issues with jihadists and islamists sowing chaos. The civil war is less like the American Civil War with 2 factions fighting and more like the Yugoslav wars with factions breaking off and fighting one another, only in Somalia there arent neat lines to split ethnic groups off since people often have loyalty to tribal lines or religious sects which are all intermingled.
Somalia was almost importing nothing in the late 70s as it industrialised and used it's natural resources, it was backstabbed by the Soviets and Saudis who pushed them to go to war against Ethiopia then showed them their backs as they feared Somali oil coming to the market. The same happened with Iraq
They viewed themselves more Arab than African, but the Saudi's and soviets saw them just like normal black Africans and left them to fight among themselves. Same to Libya. Since Gadaffi, its never recovered.
@@junegirl no offence but Libya actually is an Arab nation whilst Somalia/Ethiopia are not and do not consider themselves such
@@auroraborealis4878 many do. The country has many arabic speakers, arabic is an official language in the country, they joined the Arab league and participate in the pan-arab games, different tribes/clans trace their ancestry back to Arab forefathers, the word "Somali" is an Arabic term, they have tons of arabic cultural influence, they consume a lot of arabic media and produce arabic media, many in the country have north african arab DNA, they're of course predominantly Muslim, were once an arab colony, and many both inside and outside of the Arab world include Somalia in the Arab world.
"Arab" is a pretty broad term, there are self described Arabs from Mauritania to western Iran and down to Somalia. There's also multiple definitions of "Arab" with some using mainly religious, ethnic, genetic/genealogical, cultural, and/or linguistic metrics to define "Arab" with some Arabs having almost no DNA from the Arabian peninsula and others not speaking Arabic and others not being Muslim. It's kind of like trying to define who's "white" or "western", there's many definitions and many people cant agree.
If Somali has enough Oil and the Somali president doesnt dance to US music, democracy incomming in 3..2..1.. And there will be no people in the youtube comments saying "Slava Somali" like now. Yes, Im talking to you. You UA-cam comment writer that has so much heart for Ukraine but will not waste 1 second condeming US actions :-)
Cry harder😂
@@davidturner4076 the mothers of dead children are crying not me. But what do you know with your +-17 years.
All the former colonies around the world wanted the Europeans out, some did it by violent methods. You got your wish .... NOW SOLVE YOUR OWN PROBLEMS WITHOUT WHINING TO THE U.N. Stand on your own 2 feet and build your country and quit blaming everyone else for your problems your people caused themselves.
@@davidturner4076 he's right
@@Ayr-me7vb cry harder😂
great documentary. It's interesting that aidid's son was a marine and served in operation restore hope as an interpreter.
Who told you!!?
The West doesn't want United Somalia, because they know Somalis are 100% Muslim and will not listen to the west , and they will do there own thing , Somalia has the longest coast line in Africa, untapped natural resources, second most strategic water in the world bab al mandem , insha'Allah Somalia will rise
bruhh you isaq too um in the north we chilling since 1991 , the reason Somalia will never stand their own legs again is us the isaaq if we re join Somalia and play big role again Somalia would become better and stronger Somalia need us as leaders take my word
@@5cents246 facts bro , that's why farmajo and other leaders in the south should let someone from the north be the president of Somalia and how Somalia becomes powerful
@@haberjeclo8036 if you look deeper into Somaliland and Somalia relationship that's how it looking right now, we should abandon Somaliland and take big piece of the cake in Somalia , and we are capable to become the future president as isaaq even Somaliland recognition we should have big role in somalia to have higher chance of recognition in the future , cadaan will never help as wallhi but since muus biix come back from usa he have the same point of view as mine he seen that isaaq should have big role in Somalia
@@5cents246 I agree with u 100% bro ,what most of us in the north don't understand is that no matter ur tribe if ur Haber jeclo darood hawiye or other isaaq,were ever u go u are seen as Somali northing else no somaliland or puntland or jubaland we are one , laakin we have politicians who are separating us , but I think us isaaq youth , should connect more with our Somalis in the south so our economy and people and all Somalis could live good life peaceful, which tribe u from if u don't mind asking u bro
@@5cents246 He's not Isaaq. He's a darod larping as one of us loool.
No mention of AMISOM or the last 15 years this video is incomplete.
In his defense, its really hard to cram all of that in in 15 minutes. He would need an hour at least to do the story real justice.
Somalia is finally on the path of becoming a stable country and these constant documentaries about war and starvation are not helpful. Let us reconcile and heal on our own without exploiting our history and using it to perpetuate this negative perception of the country.
Especially sad since all of them shoulder the blame solely on Somalis rather than the ambition of foreign powers and their efforts to destabilize the country
If only General Barre's first policy had been getting rid of that moustache..
As an Aussie who served on Op Solace, our contribution to the US led effort, this was fascinating to listen to. We were stationed in Baidoa, and were devastated when we left, and it all went to shit. So many of us have issues from what we saw there, it’s a fucked up place. Next year in Canberra, we will be leading the ANZAC day March for our 30th anniversary and having a reunion there as well.
Go tell how you’ve turn the native aboriginals in Australia on how you’ve turn their lives into sh!t by interfering and stealing their lands and wealth. Not to mention the murderous war crimes you recently committed in Afghanistan by your own fellow soldiers. Stop acting like you’re saving lives when you’re actually the ROOT cause of it. It’s like a twilight zone seeing some of you people on how out of touch with reality you truly are.
May I ask what you saw that was disturbing over there? Thanks
@@alifarah9 for me personally, without going into specific incidents, it was the complete and total disregard for your fellow human being by a lot of people there. Life was worth nothing except your own tribe, and within that, women were nothing. Basically possessions. Was a massive culture shock to me. How people can care so little for others. Starving children, woman used a pack mules, murder, rape. Just heart wrenching.
@@alifarah9 glad you and your family made it here mate. It’s a nightmare, so sad, because there were some good people there, but the feuding between clans was insane. They were all attacking each other, as if they didn’t, they would be the only ones not doing it and seem like an easy target, so they had to.
@@nqgamer what about the reservation camps in Australia for aboriginal people?
American forces at this time were fighting an Anti-Insurgency war. And they are difficult at best to win if your seen as an foreign occupier. Nice video.
It often means you fighting agianst soldiers without uniform or flag so civilians can be mistaken for soldiers
They children come from madrasaa which make people too angry
@@blessingchanne1866 yeah madrasas form most of the schooling in the country and they tend to reinforce the tribal politics and create a lot of religious zealots. Even high ranking officials in the government(s) have been killed by suicide bombings, a recent case even involved a sleeper agent in the government blowing herself up to kill the mayor of Mogadishu, and those attacks often come from extremists from the madrasas.
I think this actually is the first time that the promo speech actually worked on me, good on ya. Great content as usual.
Thank you
I am a Somali and this video is as accurate as it can get.
One is often confused when looking at the internal struggles in Africian nations. Definitely in the post World War two era of independence from the colonial powers, old tribal and cultural divisions and mistrust worked their way to the surface and caused conflict which led to armed insurections and infighting. Not even communist or socialist ideologies could address or put a band aid on the divisions which had by then regressed to tribalism and its antagonism between the groups for control and power. Even strong dictatorships that arose fell in disarray. External forces like the US led intervention and the UN could only exert some control for a short while. It has been rule by the barrel of the gun for some time. A chaotic old western movie type scene of armed groups engaged in the occasional fire fights and no governmental enforced legal structures and law enforcement prevails. Unfortunately the people in Somalia will have to sort out the situation themselves, until common live and let live attitudes create a new low violence norm and discussions to sort out the mess can gain ground.
Great little history on Somalia. Would be nice to see more similar videos in Africa.
*Has the UN ever been useful?*
Korea
Only for those who conceived it, created it, and control it.
@CJ Groves I'm pretty sure that most South Koreans prefer not being unified under Kim Jong Un.
@CJ Groves Your ignorance is spectacular. Do you even have access to a computer with a search engine?
@CJ Groves The UN forces performed the incheon landings which turned the tide of the war until the Chinese decided to get involved.
Africa as a hole seems to suffer from a very common problem. There have not traditionally been centralized governments. So like the sub-states of Europe in the 1800s, and every other society in history they are having a hard time working out borders that conform to the various peoples of the continent. European colonialism in Africa, like in the Middle East thru to India, used a policy of divide and conquer, splitting ethnic populations down the middle then matching two or more antagonistic factions into a single "country" that was constantly at odds with itself, making it easier for the colonial power to oversee. The long term result after the colonies collapsed is what we see now, countries that are unnatural trying to establish a central government with no historical experience in shared power, coupled with environmental changes and an overall world tendency towards right wing "my way only" attitudes and policies. (See Hungary, USA, France, Russia, etc)
To be fair there are so many tribes in the continent(each countrythats exist today could be sliced up into hundreds of Microstates), and thats makes it imposibble to draw borders in any way, if africa want peace then they should abolish their tribal society first or try to make some kind of goverment out of it, and dont blame the europeans for everything, even without them there would be wars because of tribalism
@@istvanszatmari8803 ... True, not everything was due to European colonialism. It just took advantage of already existing conflicts and used them to the European's advantage. ... Exactly how would African nations "abolish their tribal society"? Human societies in general are always "us versus not us" to control assets and opportunities. For example, in Ukraine it's Slavic Ukrainians vs Slavic Russians, in the US it's Republicans vs democracy, in France it's Center vs Right, Iraq sets Sunni vs Shiite, India/Pakistan sets Muslims vs Hindus, Sri Lanka just dissolved its government, etc
Personally I think one of the main trends is most colonies happen to be run down at the start of independence and supported by Soviets, this confidence makes them attack the enemy and tend to lose
^ also they almost always ended up having untapped resources and social hierarchy was via tribe/clan systems mostly, leading to civil wars
Ah and I personally think that since colonies of countries rarely get treated as well as the homeland, the colonies end up more run down then the rest of teh world, society has also advanced
So much changes in a small span of time or risk getting cut off results in a situation where a government of sorts is hastily formed with utter confusion (since it’s more or less their first time governing)
By that Logic India should have been also fragmented into 20-25 states. But it didn't.
So if Gen. Barre had abandoned the Greater Somalia dream, would Somalia have had a better future?
Somalias whole thing and foundation was greater Somalia since it’s independence unlikely
Can't tell, to be honest.
If he had held back on it and invested into making somalia more wealthy and educated before marching straight into Ethiopia this would give somalia the chance of become somewhat developed and this would have the added benefit of making more people unite on the basis of ethnic and national identity rather than clan based ones
The real question is if soviet hadn't switched sides how would the region look like today?
He shouldve developed the country further to then use soft power to hold a vote for them to democratically join somalia by themselves
communism: when you absolutely positively have to have your country disintegrate overnight
Somalia was going to collapse regardless it couldn't compete with the USSR flooding ethiopia 6 billion dollars compared to Somalia's 50 million dollars it was only a matter of time before it got one sided
Did you miss out the part where the country was improving up until the invasion
Never forget the battle of checkpoint pasta❤️🇮🇹
I am from somalia and that is lie . It was only muqdisho not whole somalia and usa left after it was defeated badly by my brothers
Cope
@@user-qy6tu9ip9v cope what lmao
Somalia under Siad Barre was heading in the right direction, improving the lives of citizens and having built a strong army and a centralized government until Barre decided to invade Ethiopia. Every Somali tells you that was his greatest mistake and a turning point for Somalia and the main reason why Somalia is struggling to have a functioning central government until today. After his army was defeated by Ethiopia with the support of the eastern block, the Ethiopians trained and supported different warlords and helped Somaliland to separate from Somalia. Consecutive Ethiopian governments made sure Somalia was divided and weak so it will never be a threat again. If Barre didn’t start the war against Ethiopia the story of Somalia would have been very different and bright. Don’t ever start a war, for every war has its own life and you would never know how it will end.
Problem of Somalia 🇸🇴 is because of colonial border
Correction: title should be how america destroyed Somalia
Fr, the UN fucked up a lot but things only seemed to have gone completely tits up after the US started to take further lead. And you can't get much worse than destroying a country then literally funding warlords
These more of the history of the first civil war. I highly anticipated the role UN plays to still distabilize Somalia and how it weaponizes food and destroys agriculture. Somalia is basically a United nations ran country. And it's evident in the involvement of the. Agency in Somali politics let's wait for 2024 and Atmis withdrawal.
The Constitution of somalia tells "Somalia belongs to Somalis" till today the hope to restore for greater Somalia remains.
Peace and Liberty will prevail in our beloved Greater Somalia. 🇸🇴🇸🇴🇸🇴♥️
Good old US jumping into something that had nothing to do with it
Somailains be like: Only we can kill us not you!
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😂😂😂yes Wallachian this is so trueee we can finish each other and be enemies but when an outsider comes we become united like never before
Somali people at thier best again
Tribes over everything
I'm really pissed that my government sends so much money overseas when we have so much need in our own country
And all we get back is hatred and being blamed for all the world's problems, you know like corrupt tribal chiefs and blood thirsty Marxist nut jobs. My dad was in the Korean War and his position was ......stay out of foreign countries...let them kill each other....we don't need to be in the middle of their problems they bring upon themselves.
Foreign aid aka money laundering
Don’t worry. They gain more than they use by looting covered as humanitarian aid.
@@chimpout
*Foreign Aid eh , so basically forcing a poor nation into more debt secretly*
I pissed when your country gave portion of my land to my neighbor's when I try to get it back they support everything they can to my enemy
I’m loving this series
“CIA backed warlords” yea this is going to be a reoccurring theme. 😂
Sorry a bit of inaccuracy the US forces were saved by malaysian and Pakistani forces backed and supported with Pakistani Armour unit who saved the US forces from being slaughtered
Source?
Don't say ISPR or ISI or some other Pakistani propaganda channel. Quote some reliable external source
@@deadnlovingit www.theguardian.com/film/2009/jul/01/black-hawk-down-reel-history
ua-cam.com/video/nH2rnvGWDuU/v-deo.html&ab_channel=TheOperationsRoom
history.army.mil/html/documents/somalia/SomaliaAAR.pdf (read page 18 and 19)
@@deadnlovingit apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA366316.pdf read page 24
The same armour that made the yanks run back to base.
British somaliland has been peaceful since it declared independence and is democratic. One theory suggests that the reason for this is because it was a protectorate, not a colony. Britain didnt interfere with the local culture and life in contrast to Italian Somaliland which was a full colony. Thus Somalis in the north retained their traditional ways of sorting disputes whereas in the south the Italians tried to impose the Italian way. So when the colonial powers left it didnt cause much of a mess in the north because they were already self governing for the most part. Another African country which had little social interference from its colonial master was the British "protectorate" in Botswana. Today Botswana is one of the few sub-saharan countries which is fully democratic, peaceful, has one of the highest literacy rates on the continent and a decent economy.
yeh i'm from the north and we been chilling since 1991 after we defended siyaad barre , in south the opposite has happened as alshabab and other group fighing over power and money from arab countries such as Qatar and uae
@@5cents246 you the northerns are the one who supports al shabab alot of evidence came out of hargiesa supporting al shabab. And guess no one will recognize ur regions since u are the real problem here
That's not the case the north had a clear successor clan that dominates the north in every aspect, but the southern clans couldn't dominate each other.
@@studyingermany9925 not true, there are 4 clans in the north: Issaq, Samaroon, Issa, darod. They all live in relative peace together
@Nur ibn Muzaffar No the original post is CORRECT. Has nothing to do with the fact that it is mostly inhabited by the Isaaq tribe.
Somalia is mostly inhabited by other tribes and they constantly kill eachother. Even those from the same tribe in Hawiye kill eachother and those from the same tribe in Darod kill eachother. This doesnt happen in Somaliland because the people are CIVILISED and from a different culture with different values and norms to the people of Somalia. Simple as.
I love how you used black hawk down footage
Looking into their Islamic past would be their best course of action.
Indeed
My father died at hands of barre army in Somaliland in 1988. I’m 42 now and 8 then and been in London since 1991. Live and learn is all I can say. Be a peaceful human being but demand your share and job.
You bring selfish comments, remember 1.5 millions innocent peoples killed by Mooryaan criminal as well as outsiders. You sub tribes isaaq. You always talking bulshit stupid things iam sure your tribes thugs committed more than sayad Barre did. As we know Today your tribe wanting to rule other people's not wanting you or share anything with you jailed thousands innocent peoples whom against your tribes, so please shut up don't bring your noisy nonsense comments here. Remember one more thing iam somali I never talked international communities inside our issues, I'm sure most somali people do Same except your people noisy people like you .Remember if you guys not happy to be Somalian go somewhere else move out, 🇸🇴 Somalia belongings to Somalian.
alleh ha uu naxariisto aabaha walalo and may he reunite you all in jannah! May Allah allow us to learn from our history and allow all of the lands that Somalis inhabit to be one that is peaceful and prosperous.
Typical Blue Helmet tomfoolery
Somalia would have won if the Americans (who started backing Somalia when the USSR started fully backing Ethiopia) had given Somalia more support. Good video tho, Would love to see one on the Ogaden war.
Should have would have could have. Whatever
Ronald Reagan had a famous quote - "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help. "
The sentiment of that quote as it applies to the UN is applicable in this, and many other situations around the world all through the history of the UN.
The UN is a toothless tiger. It was formed specifically to KEEP this kind of stuff from happening - not to exacerbate it. It was also formed to keep stuff like Russia rolling into Ukraine from happening as well, but that doesn't seem to be working out very well, either.
Again, it either needs a really huge reform campaign (most likely improbable, but not impossible), or it needs to be replaced with a real life Global Defense Initiative sort of agenda and system (might need a lot of PR and political support, but with some nudging, well...).
The entire world will be like a military police state, though, so not everyone will like the idea.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Historically such ideas go even worse. The reform idea is the only one that doesn't lead to even worse outcomes. A reform I would suggest is a simple start UN peacekeepers before entering any theater go and send intel specialists in just to talk to people living in the nation. Dangerous? Yes but would help build much more solid pictures. Even if every one they talk to gives them a 90% wrong picture with enough they can piece together something coherent and mostly correct.
Too slow. Might make things a bit more exhausting even.
@@michaelandreipalon359 Considering most issues the UN creates can be directly traced back to no or unreliable intel I think my option is a better idea to start. Though that still won't help with the horrifically rampant corruption within the organization that is largely responsible for the rest of its myriad of problems.
When in extreme doubt, just purge 'em and replace them with altruistic yet emotionally numb experts.
Have the UN ever had a successful mission in Africa, I heard the Portuguese paratroopers and commandos have had success
The UN is kind of a mess and rarely agree on a course of action which seriously hampers efforts, and Africa moreso than most places in the world different countries disagree a lot and want to back different groups. Look up wars in Africa and check who's backing which side and you'll see the USSR and the PRC backing opposing sides, France and America backing opposing sides, and in at least one case the US and USSR backing the same side.
When foreign countries do succeed in operations in Africa it's rarely as part of a UN effort and more of a solo mission. France succeeded in Operation Serval for example and i cant imagine the UN carrying out a similar operation even with more soldiers and equipment than France used.
There is a proverb that says a "traveler who travels to unknown lands, then death clings or grips on his soul".
It forgot to mention (very conveniently ) that when Ethiopia received Soviet support, Barre received vast amounts of US support during his genocide.
Its why the USA put a missile into a meeting of Aidids tribal elders , TWO WEEKS before the Rangers tried to kidnap what was left of them.
Then made a movie to try to justify it.
In the movie , General Garrison refers to 300,000 dead as "genocide" at the same time that The US Secretary of State referred to the deaths of 1.5 million Iraqi civilians from US led Sanctions as "worth it".
The issue for the US was that peace talks by the UN were working, even with womens groups involved in negotiations.
fisrt gemoicde happend in 1982 in galkacyo puntland after the failed coup of ssdf in 1978 it said that 5-10k civilians where killed
If the colonial powers never pulled out the war lords would have never gotten as much power as they did. as for the us, it’s obvious as every insurgency we face they always underestimate insurgencies
you can't really help a place that is not willing to cooperate, probably because of their primitive beliefs different tribes that would rather kill each other than talk despite their poor state self interest always comes first
The tribal mindset wanted "freedom" whatever that is. They found out when they got their wish. Basically they got the tribal Stone Age with modern tools like motor vehicles and guns, and strong man thugs to brutally suppress any opposition.
@@Jupiter.141 they have had empires lasting centuries but for some reason they struggled to unite after independence maybe it had to do with colonial countries founding the clans against each other and in 30yrs killing a third of the ethnic group population leading to entire sub clans being wiped out but please ignore that
@@abdiabdi3225 facts. Also Ethiopia and Kenya teamed up to purposely destabilise Somalia because they have somali lands.
Isn’t the war mostly over now in the south, in the north such as Somali land and Puntland is peaceful.
damn. with this much faction at play, u can make a full total war game out of this
reading about the factions is a bit insane. Factions join together, fracture into multiple coalitions, in fight, fight each other, and unite. It's even worse than Yugoslavia.
Barre ruined the one chance Somalia had at becoming a normal country by trying to invade Ethiopia.
They then got wrecked and Ethiopia invaded in 2006.
@@user-qy6tu9ip9v Ethiopia lost 10s of thousands of troops in Somalia in 2006 nad were forced to pull out, Ethiopia, allegedly one of the best militaries in Africa, couldn't take Mogadishu or an inch of Somali territory despite there being no standing army lmao. We got beat by Libya, Yemen, Soviets, and Cubans. When it was one vs one we were a couple of kilometers away from Finfinne. Mind you that Somalia and Ethiopia both collapsed in 1991 because Somalia was training nad supporting Eritrea and TPLF lmao. Meles and Afwerki were in Mogadishu in the same building.
Yes that's is right that this is caused by the dream of greater somalia but You can't win with out lose Still we will never give up to take back our Greater Somalia we have no animosity with our african brothers we want only our land The colonizers did not hand our land Ethiopia and kenya being hate us and love Kenya and Ethiopia they handed ourland to create hostility between africa today half of our land is inthe Ethiopia and kenya
We got a black hawk down!
We got a black hawk down!
Yep. You got black hawk down and empty stomach akbar.
Those colonial borders are basically the source of all the political turbulence in Somalia because it disrupted the delicate natural power balance amongst the clans thereby creating instability within the body politic in the country. They can't have a functional state with half its polity excluded and still be stable and the issue of reunification with the Ogaden, NFD and the Somali part of Djibouti was a burning issue for independence movements pre independence and all governments post independence if it fails the only solution for the current Somali state is it's dissolution into clan states which might affect even the former British Somaliland which might break down into 3 states.
Somalia's borders today included multiple single states. The Majeerteen Sultanate included most of Somalia and existed before colonization and the Omani empire directly controlled most of the major cities along the coast. Somalia would have issues no matter the map since their ethnic/tribal/clan groups are so spread out and intermingled it makes clean borders nearly impossible without carrying out some serious population redistribution. Even in cities like Mogadishu you've got multiple groups all together. A lot of the political divisions are due to ethnic/tribal/clan divisions.
The idea of Greater Somalia sound very similar to the idea of Akhanda Bharat (union of all of the south Asia) which many Indians envision, however the ethenic diversity, lack of political will and constant economic and political stability in the region makes it almost impossible to to achieve
Do all south Asians speak one language? One religion? One look? One culture? Lol nothing similar here..somali is one family..30+million with nothing but one lineage
not an apt comparison. Rajistanis have almost no relation to Tamil people, whether language, culture, religion, ethnicity, etc.
somalis whether from ogaden, somaliland, mogadishu, or puntland all speak the same language, all muslim, all have the same culture etc.
We gonna achieve our goal no matter even if Africa didn't like or the World, they wouldn't stop us to united with our brothers.
Finally the scientist in me can watch something interesting 👀 thanks curiosity
The country is a classic over-divided african nation. And also, partnering with the Soviets was a big mistake. And finally, yes: this showed how useless the UN is.
Please keep up this series, great work!
I think the main reason the USSR supported Ethiopia is that Ethiopia is Eastern Orthodox Christian like Russia, unlike Somalia, which is Sunni Islam .
Ethiopia was anti Christian under Derg rule like most Communist states.
russia was athiest during ussr.
@africannationalist
I know but Ethiopia was ruled by Mengistu Communist derg regime that ousted Emperor Haile Sellasie
Imagine drawing a line between two friends and you forced them to fight their enemies.
Bro I’m Somali and I can say most Somali who live in British somaliland hate clan systems
That is the most false thing ever lmao the most qabilist somalis are in Somaliland and puntland and I from both those regions isaaqs love the clan system so do majeerteen
Must say, the cowing existence of a huge USMC force in the nation sure echoes the Galactic "Old" Republic's and the Galactic Empire's modus operandi of Star Wars when it came to countering the CIS and the nascent Rebellion.
The problem of Somalis is every president of somalia wants to become dictator don't wanna hold an elections that is what is causing the problem the system is failure every president wants to dictates the government's
It is utterly disgusting the policy of the US to fund the infighting inside Somalia backing now the very same warlords that fought in the 90s to counter the islamist that they also cause by their reckless foreign policies in the 2000s...
Yep. And what’s hilarious is they ended up empowering the same Islamists they were trying to stop.
The yanks trying to rebuild the entire state of Somalia got to love them for that… no oil no nothing just hunger en bullets USA cool back then exeptional !
Long live the republic of Somaliland!! The minute said barre declared genocide against us is when “greater Somali” died. How tf u go to war against the pioneers of “Somali weyn” in the name of “Somali weyn”..??🤦♂️
he was wrong and doesn't represent the majority of Somalis. Somali weyn is still alive you separatists seem to have forgotten we are all one tribe one language one culture Somalis are some of the most ethnically homogeneous groups in the world. Im still a unionist and will instil that in my children as my parents did with me. we are stronger together weaker divided.
Marqaanow naga aamus. Qabiil ku waalay
Long life the Republic of Somaliland forever we're 💪💪 let the perpetrators bark here on the social medei 🤣🤣
@@fridayversion4581 Sarkhaanow aamus qabyaaladu ka buuxdaa
@@libaaxasomaliland1066 only Isaaq got this kid attitude not others.
So why are you recycling negative racist views of my country. That have no basis in reality.
Have you even been to Somalia???
Wish they would stop coming to Minnesota.
My home town of Lewiston Maine has been overrun by Somalis since 2001.
6000+ of them have overwhelmed the schools, the public support networks, and the hospitals.
My mother was the victim of a daytime smash-and-grab home invasion back in 2014, perpetuated by a gang of Somali teenagers whom my mother walked in on. She was so terrified, she sold our family home, and moved out of the area.
@@cavemanbum 🧢
@@cavemanbum lol
@@cavemanbum You love to see it. 😃
I wish all Americans troops left Somalia. I wish they stop bombing the country.
From British Somalilan we have peace and better live 5G internet and better Electricity only the people using clans
Using clan is worse becouse there little clans like our state
A negative thing about colonization coming to an end is that now none of the Great Powers care enough to stop wars like this happening in Africa as there is nothing in it for them.
The people wanted freedom from Europe and they got their wish. They returned to tribalism, and a slightly modernized version of the Stone Age. And they fell back into the witchcraft which controlls so much of Africa's populations.
In most cases they helped fan the flames of already existing social tension and then removed everything that could help and gave them near zero opportunity to improve upon independence other than serving them again through corrupt elites time and time again
They still have interests, it's just that those interests involve keeping conflict going. Why would you want to buy resources from a country that is developed and therefore have more expensive resources due to paying workers more and being in a bigger position to bargain when you could just buy them from a divided nation that uses slave labour?
The US operation to seize Aideed made no sense..had he been captured, another clan leader would have taken his place. And yes, the US actions (killing innocent people, flying the copters over the marketplace (scattering people's produce in the dust) could not have been a better way to NOT win friends. Add to it the arrogance-the idea that Delta Force could win against hose primative Somalis was fatal-once the copters were down the troops were trapped-and the Commanding General had NO Plan B-he had to beg the Pakistanis and Malayns to use their APCs. A disaster from start to finish-which is playing out (again) in Ukraine.
Yep ridiculous than later Condaleeza rice and Bush funded those very same warlords to fight against the Islamic govt because they'd decided it was part of the war on terror but all it did was create Al shabab which was the first islamic terrorist group...
I love the way the narrator labels the people who screwed up Africa as "Idealists". Let's at least try to be truthful. East Africa was divided up based on colonial mandates, but the people have been tribal/clan oriented and religion driven since forever. No one, especially an organization as weak as the UN, can convince, convert or control centuries of tribal/clan thinking. So let's stop blaming inept organizations, Cold War politics and corrupt foreign governments for all of Somalia's problems. Somalis need to set their affairs in order before outside agencies can help them...and Somalia isn't ready to shed its tribal thinking just yet...so good luck.
wakanda forever
lmao
@@dr.floridaman4805 Okay...I have no idea what "Wakanda" is nor do I care...but I bet it's something pretty funny.
@@jakobinobles3263 I mention colonial mandates as a source but they aren't the main problem and denying it only brings the real causes of the decline of African nations more clearly into light. Tribalism is by far the single greatest detriment to African stability. Until citizens see themselves as a nation entity there is no possible way they can unite into a sustainable society or government...it's basic human behavior 101. As long as Africans identify more with their tribe than with a national identity there they are doomed to petty squabbles that lead to national disasters. I'm sorry if that reality hurts, but sometimes the truth does that.
@@brianfoley4328 sure there had been problems with the clans before but having the entire traditional system burned to the ground and having colonial countries fund clans against each other it was only a matter of time before it exploded sure the problems start from centuries before but they were much more limited in scale and there was entire States existing for centuries but now even clans are struggling to unite
Brian Foley the country in the Marvel universe that has the most advanced society and strongest metal called vibranium. It’s also the metal used to make captain America’s shield.
You forgot the part were somalis Cooked and ate the US soldiers. For real I am not joking they did it.
@DOOMER hahah very funny did you watch that video ?
Stop the cap
At the end of the day, little has change in Africa since time began
No Somali did this to themselves.
Fun fact the US didn't really leave, and you can't forget the commandos and the work they been putting in to stop al-shabaab, but the number 1 problem there is the clans
Talking about Somalia and using wrong pictures or videos is what is what is wrong this video
Didn’t even mention Somaliland and the strides we are making economically,infrastructure and in becoming a country recognized by the UN
3:46 Correction: Literacy went from 5% to 75%.
The UN is very useful
Don’t worry greater Somalia will come back
Ethiopia had those borders long before Britain administered the colony so Britain could never have really done anything about the borders and there's Kenyans mixed with Somolians on the other border. In conclusion the game was rigged from the start for Somalia.
Plz stop your lies, everything is documented. We are all aware of the British contribution of divide and conquer Somalia.
@@averyj5446 He is not lying, lol. Menilik conquered the Somali region. Didn't give it to us. Google it if you want to.
@@joninator7858 why would I believe anything your kind say, when lies are your Gods
@@averyj5446 I don't care if you believe me or not. I know the truth and that's all that matters. Meeting Somalis like you that would rather live in their own fantasy world where they are right no matter what is nothing new for me. I'm to going to waste my time on you. Stay ignorant if you want to. You worship the pedophile Muhammad so be quiet,
@@joninator7858 lies lies lies
The more I know of Earth's history, the less I want to know.
I love this channel. I hate to be so negative with my comment, but it's my opinion that when you have a severely overpopulated country with a lousy climate not conducive to plant growth. You will never have peace with so many fighting for so little. The religious division makes things way worse as well
There’s no religious divisions. And take into account that people have been living there for thousands of years in the same conditions but we didn’t have a major war like this in hundreds of years. There plenty of time periods of peace. The war made these problems worse but it isn’t the cause. Our internal issues plus foreign interference is the cause.
...religious divisions? In Somalia? What?
@@Warsaliyusufxamar They clearly state in the video that some factions are Muslim, while some chose to remain Christian. I'm a plumber my friend, I don't claim to know everything about Somalia. If I'm incorrect, please forgive me. It was simply a comment. I meant no harm or disrespect my friend
@@revmo37 I'm Somali and I took no disrespect from what you said at all mate. I don't remember that being stated in the video, but if it is, the video creator is totally wrong. Somalia is pretty much entirely Muslim. Even Christians literally make up LESS than 0.5% of the population, and I'm not exaggerating. The issue with division in Somalia is CLAN based. And all, I mean all, the clans are Muslims.
@@Warsaliyusufxamar I have no doubt that you are correct about your own homeland my friend. Also, thank you for correcting me so politely. You seem like a very decent man. Wishing you all the best from Pittsburgh !
The battle of Mogadishu in 1993 affected international intervention during the 1994 genocide in Rwanda.
Drought is not an excuse. Countries like Finland, Denmark and Sweden are allways cold. They hafe a much harder time making, or getting food. IQ.
Ever considered that Scandinavian agriculture adapted to the conditions?
They grow crops which are capable of surviving the conditions?
If you suddenly changed those conditions your crops are gonna die that has nothing to do with where you are
Now imagine you are a farm owner in Somalia you worked your farm the last years and it was going quite well you had enough food to eat and sell to make a living
But then the next year suddenly everything is dry, all your crops are dying and you have barely left enough for yourself
Now you can't sell anything to the city
Nor can any of the other farmers because the drought hit them too
Now the city didn't produce any food, afterall city's don't do that
Now the city doesn't have food with no way to get more because no one has food and the little bit left is expensive
@@awcy6902 and you will also have a mass inflow of broke nomads and farmers into the cities as they don't have anything left. This has caused Somalia to be one of the most urban countries in Africa and even beating way more developed countries like Pakistan.
At least you still have water lol
Honestly this is the most disapointingly the UN acted that I know of... Like you gave up just becuase you'll bearly tried? Like come on how is anyone suposed to take you serously if you give up so quickly and just like the major powers handle things?
Why can't the locals solve their own problems???
@@LuvBorderCollies they were until the UN or USA thump chesting comes in trying to just brute force their way through the country and expect 0 damage to anything. You can't just jump in have zero long term plan and just expect it to miraculously work it will not.
@@LuvBorderCollies Is it working? Which how many times in history has letting the locals short things out saved lives? The Americain Civil War? Japan? But then again they became extremly rasist becuse of it.
All the World wars all like 3 of them were solved by the other major powers stepping in like the US or the anti-Napolean allance.
Their is also Germany, France, China, Korea, Iraq, Syria and Russia where letting the locals dicide made everything so much more worse and caused more wars and death then not.
Which the UN was made to stop WW3 and help ift's mebers like Somalia and every country is in it and can vote on most things... Or atleast talk about it.
So yeah in closing Somalia a member of the UN being helped by their fellow members is not a bad thing it's how it's suposed to work.
Why is it that everything that bad in Africa came about bc of Colonialism or UN? At what point is a people responsible for their own actions?
wakanda forever!
they was kings and queens of mud and dirt
@CJ Groves there isn't some perfect body out there for every culture and people. We might be led by living corpse and a cackling bafoon but the US is still the country doing the most good in the world.
Sure the people themselves have also fucked themselves over but that's like throwing a liter of petrol into the fire place and when it burns down just say the there already was a fire there so it wasn't my fault
@@michaelhowell2326 "the us is the country doing the most good in the world" I beg you to pick up one book about all the horrible shit the CIA has done. They've destabilised entire countries for the fear that they * might * become communist or because their leader refuses to lick the boots of the United States. Also this video literally outlines how badly they fucked up in Somalia, if the US didn't get involved then Somalia would likely be less destabilised
@@Ayr-me7vb bs. If the UN hadn't stepped, the same people would be complaining that the UN didn't do enough. It's impossible to please you people. Damned if you do, damned if you don't. There isn't a perfect solution for everything.
15:00: Yes.
A massive flood outbreak would have done the same. It's just a matter of why and when.
We always treat natives as inferior, you know. Blame our own native conflicts against the Amerindians so many years back... this has to stop, obviously, both for PR and pragmatically militaristic reasons. Either way, us Americans have unfortunately lost our touch as the world's best figurative police force since WW2... may that change for good in the coming years, even if it means more blood being shed and morals being temporarily skipped out on.
My dad was in the Korean War and his very firm position was....stay out of foreign countries...let them kill and massacre each other....no reason for the US to get in the middle.
In my opinion that africa will always be a tangled mess of wars due to the lack of beliefs in peace and low intelligent leaders alond with war lords being war lords with that greed being thrown in there too. Africa is a borderline lawless continent and its far beyond saving or even bother taking in refugees. Rhodesia was the only decent country in Africa and its loss marks when Africa doomed itself. Also notice how when we throw white people into a country there it improves drastically but as soon as they leave the place falls apart into chaos, Rhodesia prooved that as well.
Rhodesia literally died because of White people, what are you on?
Rhodesia had its support cut from the beginning when the UK didn't recognize it, and South Africa pulled support when they realized supporting a racist society wasn't good for long term sustainability, especially when they were working on ending Apartheid.
Shut up
Are you serious? Europeans are the ones that turned Africa into a mess with their home drawn borders.
European countries are already developed, it’s no surprise that throwing an educated European will improve an underdeveloped African country. It has nothing to do with whether they are white or not, it’s their knowledge, attitude and upbringing which makes the difference. If you threw a European from the Middle Ages or Stone Age in Africa they would improve nothing, so I don’t see your point really.
Your are saying nothing and yer everyone should go back where they evolved from
The Ogaden war wasnt a defeat but a win for the Somalis and a retreat after Soviet sided with Ethiopia and Usa drew from supporting the barre regime.
Biggest mistake.somali lost its own country when they try to be gangsta.know your limit
Also have a look at what the UN are doing in Congo DRC , it has the most UN troops in Africa and they have completely destabilised the east of Congo( Where all the rich resources are).