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She didn't, though, actually say smiths that were engaged in it for sale though so perhaps you misunderstood here. Not that I'm a fan of the ATF in any way, shape or form. I think the ATF should be abolished or, at least, the F taken out of their title.
If a person is prohibited from owning a firearm, maybe we should discuss that they shouldn’t be in the general public. Maybe…just maybe, they should be in prison.
@@constitutionalist4391 Let's not forget this original and terminally ret@rded take on the longevity of "high capacity" rifle magazines and why a ban on them would be so successful: “These are ammunition, they are bullets, so the people who have those now, they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.” --- Rep. Diana "DumDum" DeGette
The ATF recently decided that millions of law abiding Americans were felons overnight because they owned bump stocks, and she can't think of a reason anybody would want an unregistered firearm? LOL k.
@@gunztommiegunz you mean how they magically turned millions of pistols into SBRs overnight? Ah yes, Pepperidge Farm remembers that time the ATF just decided that millions of Americans were felons too.
If you weren’t elected to office by the citizens, you don’t have the right to write and reinterpret laws. Legally, it’s pretty straightforward, like “…shall not be infringed.”
@@daa3417 If you study Kagan's family history, she comes from criminal Russian Jew families who did the accounting for the early s*** b****** mafia dirt bags of the 1920s.
Not to mention having to clean the aluminum off the bits when they get loaded up. There's a lot more time, care and frustration involved with making, vs. buying from the gunshop.
@@montgomeryboyle4764 if that's a problem for you, you are running incorrect speeds and feeds or not using coolant on your operation, your tool could also be dull all those issues can be resolved, (I'm formerly a machinist)
stolen guns are ghost guns too. aint no 4473T to be filled out for trunk sales. how do ya track it between when it was stolen and when it was found? AFT lost a bunch of weapons they sold to the cartels that had gps trackers in them.
That's mostly what they all originate from the obliterated numbers used in crimes where a crime was already committed in the act of obtaining them, the reason they won't say that is because it happens in high crime areas with very specific types of people.
They lump 3D printed guns in with de-serialized crime guns for the same reason they constantly refer to the safe in your closet as "the streets." They can't support their narrative with facts, so they gotta pump it up with fearmongering and slander.
I cannot believe that they ( the gun rights lawyers) let her get away with openly lying to the court about these things without asking the court at what point did the constitution allow the government to infringe upon the rights of the people.
The ILLEGALLY CREATED ATF BUREAUCRACY (by a director in the IRS) has NO AUTHORITY to CONTROL INDIVIDUALS who MAKE GUNS at home for their own use!! It takes MORE than a hole to make a FULL AUTOMATIC RIFLE from a "80% lower or upper" home made receiver!!! This LAWYER has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how long is ACTUALLY perform the actions to make an 80% receiver into a LEGALLY PROCESSED, useable HOME MADE GUN PART!!!
Shes talking about glock lowers, 6 holes and plastic tabs that you can cut off with a box cutter. They literally take 15-30 mins to complete lol but it's still all bullshit
The same bs that card that got Matt Hoover in jail ,real man gunsmiths couldn’t make it a machine gun,or come close to working ,,,,why is he not been freed ??
I have done one, and I am mechanically inclined and it took me nearly 2ish hours to get everything to actually fit right and have the thing function properly.
She doesn't have a clue what she is talking about! I've built several of these myself and I have about 20 years experience as a machinist! If you don't get everything just right, like within less than 2 hairs thickness, you just ruined it! If you go the thickness of 3 hairs to deep when milling the trigger well, you just went clear through and ruined it! If you lack 2 hairs thickness of going deep enough, the trigger group will not function! Then you also have the width of the trigger well! If not wide enough the trigger/hammer assembly won't go in, a few hairs thickness too wide and the trigger assembly will move sideways enough as to not work reliably! I've seen numerous lower receivers ruined by people trying to mill it out with a dremel tool! I've also seen several ruined by people trying to mill them out by hand on a drill press!! Like I said in the beginning, she has no clue what she is talking about!! I've never milled one out in less than an hour!
Yep. This is literally the same thing they did with those lightning key cards. They couldn't get them to work AS-IS, but they charged the dude anyway... This is fucking disgusting.
Of course you're correct, but you don't need to be that accurate if you just want a functioning gun to go commit some crimes. I've seen the confiscated p80s out of Baltimore and they look like they were done by a caveman. I wouldn't trust him at all but they function fine for a few hundred rounds. The problem is that p80 made the Jigs and kits complete so anyone with a double-digit IQ could create a functioning gun even if it won't last very long. Your level of attention in detail is of someone who cares to make an item that will last and function well. And it probably wouldn't hurt you if the kit did not come with drill bits and the rest of the parts
If you know anyone who works in law, government, law enforcement, anything, tell them about this. Make sure people know that the general public knows and is unhappy with the lies and deceptions being done to try and remove rights from citizens and turn law abiding citizens into felons.
It takes more than 15 minutes just to install all the parts into a stripped (seriallized, 100%) lower. Hell, it usually takes more than 15 minutes just to find where the damn trigger detent spring went flying off to because you didn't trim the spring quite short enough before you tried to install it.
I think it depends. Polymer handgun kit would probably be relatively quick compared to building an AR from an 80%. Even still, I've never built a firearm so I'm certain I wouldn't be able to assemble a Glock build kit in 15 min.
As a machinist, I'll guarantee it takes longer than mill a polymer receiver than an aluminum one!! The aluminum will, for the most part, be removed by the rotation of the end mill, where the polymer wants to wrap itself around the end mill and you have to stop and physically pull it off then reset everything and start cutting again! Personally, I will not machine another polymer lower, if I have a choice I will take the aluminum one any day!!
Someone who struggles with IKEA furniture.. is going to be one of the people spending HOURS or even DAYS doing ONE 80%er. She ain't gettin it done in 15min lol
The question is how many 80% kits vs how many have been used in crimes, not found in criminal investigations, but actually used in commission of a crime?
My father was a gunsmith/machinist I made my first firearm at 14 years old and have never heard such BS as this horribly uneducated woman was spewing my father with 50+ years of experience and known all over for being one of the best gunsmiths in the country couldn’t machine an 80% in 15 minutes I’m from the Showme state please show me I will destroy every gun I own if this woman can prove to me she can machine it completely in 15 minutes and prove it works. I’m waiting
All of this is irrelevant because building your own firearm has been legal in America since it's founding. Firearms have only needed serial numbers for about 90 years. Nevermind the first 150 years this country existed when they didn't need them.
They'll continue to not be held accountable, until the people victimized by the criminal bureaucracies force the consequences of their lawbreaking upon them.
As a working individual, I spent months on Saturday afternoons with a dremel tool, drills, vices, and fixtures forming fitting, researching, and then waiting for parts to arrive in the mail to complete a pistol that was supposed to have everything in the kit. And, that was way back when it was possible to buy upper and lower kits. I succeeded but not quickly. Then, there's the process of range testing to failure, getting better quality replacement parts, and restoring the weapon to functionality. Why do it. Because, now years later, I have a fun, reliable range toy that I assembled myself. Much like the satisfaction of restoring an old car or motorcycle.
I've tried 2 of these kits. The first does not work and the second is a one shot wonder. It took me a couple hours for each one, as I didn't want to screw it up. I am very mechanically inclined and since a child have torn everything I owned (or my dad owned) apart to see how it worked. And of course put it back together and functional or my dad would have beat my ass. I think she is an ignorant fool and makes it simplistic to validate her claim. She should be given a kit and complete it in court. Seriously these people can't even remove a slide on a handgun...
Not even gonna lie, the stat of 100 or 1000% increase of the ghost guns being used in crimes is crazy. Not because it may be a lie or the truth but because it leaves out the figure of serialized firearms being used in crime. If it’s close to a 1:1 in crime decreased by normal guns to an increase by 80% then the issue is still that criminals are easily getting guns. Banning the 80% wont make the crime go down. It’ll just make it less fun for the people that genuinely have a passion of building guns. Imagine if instead of ways that people can buy and make guns, the ATF went after the people who are making or selling firearms to people who shouldn’t have them. Instead of limiting the ability of the common person to exercise their right they focused on their actual duty of locking up criminals who forgone their rights by being a bad actor in the world.
With my Bridgeport mill equipped with a DRO (digital readout), the proper tooling and the proper jigs, I spent well over an hour on an 80% lower, and I screwed it up. I milled out the cavity before drilling the trigger holes, so the bit walked on the far-side of the cavity. Another thing they missed is that a hobbyist also derives pleasure from the finish work, such as anodizing, Cerecoating, engraving, laser etching, researching and testing various components, etc
Lies and damned lies - no statistics needed. As one who has spent HOURS working on an 80% kit (and a licensed gunsmith), I'm going to call bullsh*t every word out of her mouth. She is purposely, intentionally attempting to mislead and mischaracterize reality.
I would love it if a judge said, we are bringing in a table, some tools, and a gun kit, have it working for us before we come back from lunch!!We will be going to the range, so don't bull shit us.
It shouldn't be necessary. The lies are so frequent and self-evident that punishment is _already_ warranted. Who needs to hear another lie to know the agency is acting in bad faith?
That's how you can tell they've never tried to complete an 80% lower or reciever. They are not easy to finish if you don't have a good mill or amazing mini mill and the technical ability to use either of those to get within a tolerance of .0001 of an inch.
This is why they need to bring back shop classes in high school.Everybody had to attend a shop class.So you understood mechanics also , understanding how to use your fingers and hands
So, if I have all the parts for something, the instructions to build the thing, and the tools to do so, I have the thing even before it's assembled? Madness.
I built my first AR-10 myself. I ended up buying an M&P10. I have since finished it and am waiting on a BCG as it’s different than the M&P. It took forever to get the gas block aligned and I’m a heavy equipment mechanic!! It’s not as easy as they say.
I was a small arms repairman in the Army for 4 years. I've disassembled and reassembled more firearms than I even care to know. I've worked as a maintenance technician since I left the Army in 2010 and have plenty of experience with power tools. My first and only P80 took a few days (i wasn't really in any kind of rush) and never functioned properly. I wouldn't even attempt another one.
I have spend a couple hours looking for a detent pin and spring that got squirrely while building an AR let along having a fully assembled and functional gun in 15 min P.S. Where can one acquire one of these "Cap Guns that expel birdshot" that according to the ATF are not guns?
I absolutely did not buy an 80% kit in order to escape restrictions on a felon prohibition from guns. But the challenge is what interested me. And the government not having a say about what I put in my hand was a big, fat bonus. And yes, it took much longer than 15 minutes and quite a bit of refinement to make a reliable tool.
I watched a gunsmith, a trained professional, take two days to mill and drill an 80% lower. When I did it myself it took four days and a LOT of trial and error to get it working after. I actually feel lucky I got it working at all!
@@BlueMarten Now I got what you're putting down. I haven't watched any professional propaganda for over 8 years. And I too have a news article feed of sorts, but be aware that most of those are also agit prop campaigns and you must be able to read the bias on both sides of those as well.
And Bruen is not even brought up once during discussion. These kits have been available in some form or another for a century and the ATF approved 80% kits for a decade.
The first one I did took many days to assemble and weeks to get to cycle correctly. Subsequent ones were better but still took significant time. I laughed at some of the clear lies she was telling.
Gotta understand that the Supremes ask questions they already know the answer to. Remember they have a staff that thoroughly researches the plaintiff’s position on the position they will or are likely to take on the questions under consideration.
Been there, done that, I realized that it is definitely "gunsmithing" and I stopped recommending to friends and family "you can do it too!" because many people can't pull it off and then they feel like I wasted their time and money by suggesting that they could do it.
The main reason I would purchase 80% kit is the primary reason they don't want me to have it.. because they don't know about it and can't trace it. Therefore if they ever managed to get gun confiscation they wouldn't know about that one
A prohibited persons legally own build, buy or sale. Criminals going to criminal. Basically ATF lawyer is saying if all the parts are purchased individually it's ok. Just not in a complete kit.
If you would like to listen to the whole SCOTUS oral argument you can find my livestream here:
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Original video on the brief submission:
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She didn't, though, actually say smiths that were engaged in it for sale though so perhaps you misunderstood here. Not that I'm a fan of the ATF in any way, shape or form. I think the ATF should be abolished or, at least, the F taken out of their title.
@@Anon54387a gunsmith must be licensed.
@@Anon54387 www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/license-needed-engage-business-engraving-customizing-refinishing-or-repairing-firearms
“Instruments of combat”….
Yes! The entire purpose of the 2A is combat, not hunting! Combat weapons are precisely what it protects.
If a person is prohibited from owning a firearm, maybe we should discuss that they shouldn’t be in the general public. Maybe…just maybe, they should be in prison.
She stated she did it, so have her demonstrate it to the court how easy it is.
Where's the video of her shooting it??
Which we all know is bs.
Didn't some news station try this, failed, took it to someone else to finish the mods, and in the process created a felony transfer.
@@albusplaustrum06yes, i remember
@@albusplaustrum06 Yes, the "reporter" failed miserably, which is pretty normal for most first-timers.
I love how cap guns all of sudden became taurus judges.
I know...cap guns now shoot bird shot...who woulda thunkit?
@@jwright8838well it is the same ilk that had the whole “30 magazine clip in half a second” nonsense.
@@jwright8838 And who could have said that besides a moron? Voter ID ASAP!🗽
@@jamescameron2521 DeLeon is where the term "Ghost Gun" came from. Yet another CA moron politician. Voter ID ASAP!🗽
@@constitutionalist4391 Let's not forget this original and terminally ret@rded take on the longevity of "high capacity" rifle magazines and why a ban on them would be so successful:
“These are ammunition, they are bullets, so the people who have those now, they’re going to shoot them, so if you ban them in the future, the number of these high capacity magazines is going to decrease dramatically over time because the bullets will have been shot and there won’t be any more available.” --- Rep. Diana "DumDum" DeGette
The ATF recently decided that millions of law abiding Americans were felons overnight because they owned bump stocks, and she can't think of a reason anybody would want an unregistered firearm? LOL k.
It's illegal to have a registry anyway.
Forget the bump stock did you forget about the pistol brace that they attempted to make us felons for?
@@212caboose Apparently only if they call it a registry.
@@gunztommiegunz you mean how they magically turned millions of pistols into SBRs overnight? Ah yes, Pepperidge Farm remembers that time the ATF just decided that millions of Americans were felons too.
Everything she is saying is a lie. The only time a gun like this gets used in crime is after its been stolen from the owner that completed it.
"Yo T-Rone, pass me duh Dremmel so I can finish dis 80% G-Lock Polymer lower wif my mad skillz!"
If you weren’t elected to office by the citizens, you don’t have the right to write and reinterpret laws. Legally, it’s pretty straightforward, like “…shall not be infringed.”
Even if you were elected, you don't have the power to write laws that infringe on our rights. That's the whole point.
No serial number, no illegal registry. That would hinder confiscation plans. She had some nerve talking over the Justices.
Those justices are clowns, there’s only one or two of them that even deserves to be there. Kagan never even sat on a bench before her appointment.
There shouldn't be any kind of registry to begin with.
@@daa3417 If you study Kagan's family history, she comes from criminal Russian Jew families who did the accounting for the early s*** b****** mafia dirt bags of the 1920s.
The end mill work alone on an 80% lower receiver on an AR-15 takes way more than 15 minutes. That woman is full of 💩.
It was focused on just drilling and cutting the barrel blocking part on a polymer80 glock kit.
My jig has a router and it's just 3 sections to drill. Stupid easy.
This comment annoyed me.
Not to mention having to clean the aluminum off the bits when they get loaded up. There's a lot more time, care and frustration involved with making, vs. buying from the gunshop.
@@montgomeryboyle4764 if that's a problem for you, you are running incorrect speeds and feeds or not using coolant on your operation, your tool could also be dull all those issues can be resolved, (I'm formerly a machinist)
A CAP GUN DOES NOT EXPEL BIRDSHOT
Exactly! If it did there would be millions of cap guns being sold every year not the more expensive version. Those would also show up in crime scenes!
calling her General should be a practical joke😂🙉🙈🙊
@@enchentez I can't believe she said that. 😵💫😜
And no one corrected her!
Like old Miller vs US that upheld NFA , no one knew a thing about guns .
Good grief alot of nonsense answers
How many of the crime guns had removed serial numbers from stolen guns that are also included in the branding of ghost gun.
stolen guns are ghost guns too.
aint no 4473T to be filled out for trunk sales. how do ya track it between when it was stolen and when it was found? AFT lost a bunch of weapons they sold to the cartels that had gps trackers in them.
That's mostly what they all originate from the obliterated numbers used in crimes where a crime was already committed in the act of obtaining them, the reason they won't say that is because it happens in high crime areas with very specific types of people.
The vast majority of thwm
They lump 3D printed guns in with de-serialized crime guns for the same reason they constantly refer to the safe in your closet as "the streets." They can't support their narrative with facts, so they gotta pump it up with fearmongering and slander.
Things that can be readily converted to make breakfast. 😂
11:52 WHAT IF THE OMELETTE KIT HAS EVERYTHING BUT THE FUCKING EGGS
It's still an omelette because a bump stock is a machine gun. Pretty sure an airplane is a submarine, too. Get the rationale yet?
She has no fresh eggs. Repeal the 19th.
A good judge will never ask a question to a lawyer they already don't know the answer to.
I cannot believe that they ( the gun rights lawyers) let her get away with openly lying to the court about these things without asking the court at what point did the constitution allow the government to infringe upon the rights of the people.
Have the gun rights lawyers had any experience with trying to complete an 80% frame? Who's tired of the BS word salad?
The ILLEGALLY CREATED ATF BUREAUCRACY (by a director in the IRS) has NO AUTHORITY to CONTROL INDIVIDUALS who MAKE GUNS at home for their own use!! It takes MORE than a hole to make a FULL AUTOMATIC RIFLE from a "80% lower or upper" home made receiver!!! This LAWYER has ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA how long is ACTUALLY perform the actions to make an 80% receiver into a LEGALLY PROCESSED, useable HOME MADE GUN PART!!!
Shes talking about glock lowers, 6 holes and plastic tabs that you can cut off with a box cutter. They literally take 15-30 mins to complete lol but it's still all bullshit
A cap gun that expels birdshot?! Where were these when _I_ was growing up?!
Probably was snake shot
The red coats never left.
"this doesn't affect gunsmiths"
*Proceeds to state that it affects gunsmiths almost exclusively*
I can't believe these are real people.
Real:
1: Actually being or existing.
2: True; genuine; not artificial or counterfeit.
Are they real people? Yes and no.
It takes hours to properly build a firearm. 15 min is a LIE.
Polymer 80 glock lowers are easy af to do that's what she's referring too, not an ar lower
It takes me longer than 15 minutes to get the package open 😊
a polymer 80 handgun kit takes hours… she’s a liar
She's just straight-up lying
Why hasn't she already been jailed; for perjury and contempt of court?
The same bs that card that got Matt Hoover in jail ,real man gunsmiths couldn’t make it a machine gun,or come close to working ,,,,why is he not been freed ??
Conspiracy charges 😢
I have done one, and I am mechanically inclined and it took me nearly 2ish hours to get everything to actually fit right and have the thing function properly.
A friend built two and it took him about the same.
She doesn't have a clue what she is talking about! I've built several of these myself and I have about 20 years experience as a machinist! If you don't get everything just right, like within less than 2 hairs thickness, you just ruined it! If you go the thickness of 3 hairs to deep when milling the trigger well, you just went clear through and ruined it! If you lack 2 hairs thickness of going deep enough, the trigger group will not function! Then you also have the width of the trigger well! If not wide enough the trigger/hammer assembly won't go in, a few hairs thickness too wide and the trigger assembly will move sideways enough as to not work reliably!
I've seen numerous lower receivers ruined by people trying to mill it out with a dremel tool! I've also seen several ruined by people trying to mill them out by hand on a drill press!!
Like I said in the beginning, she has no clue what she is talking about!!
I've never milled one out in less than an hour!
Yep. This is literally the same thing they did with those lightning key cards. They couldn't get them to work AS-IS, but they charged the dude anyway... This is fucking disgusting.
Of course you're correct, but you don't need to be that accurate if you just want a functioning gun to go commit some crimes. I've seen the confiscated p80s out of Baltimore and they look like they were done by a caveman. I wouldn't trust him at all but they function fine for a few hundred rounds. The problem is that p80 made the Jigs and kits complete so anyone with a double-digit IQ could create a functioning gun even if it won't last very long. Your level of attention in detail is of someone who cares to make an item that will last and function well. And it probably wouldn't hurt you if the kit did not come with drill bits and the rest of the parts
I think ATF has a chance at succeeding at arguing they're within the law, but the law itself is unconstitutional.
law is way simpler than that. If gun laws are found to be unconstitutional, the AFT is moot...
If you know anyone who works in law, government, law enforcement, anything, tell them about this. Make sure people know that the general public knows and is unhappy with the lies and deceptions being done to try and remove rights from citizens and turn law abiding citizens into felons.
This is so frustrating listening to two uninformed bureaucrats debate this topic.
It takes more than 15 minutes just to install all the parts into a stripped (seriallized, 100%) lower. Hell, it usually takes more than 15 minutes just to find where the damn trigger detent spring went flying off to because you didn't trim the spring quite short enough before you tried to install it.
I think it depends. Polymer handgun kit would probably be relatively quick compared to building an AR from an 80%. Even still, I've never built a firearm so I'm certain I wouldn't be able to assemble a Glock build kit in 15 min.
Shes talking about a glock lower not an ar, ar's take a good amount of time glock lowers are easy af, 6 holes and the plastic tabs
As a machinist, I'll guarantee it takes longer than mill a polymer receiver than an aluminum one!! The aluminum will, for the most part, be removed by the rotation of the end mill, where the polymer wants to wrap itself around the end mill and you have to stop and physically pull it off then reset everything and start cutting again!
Personally, I will not machine another polymer lower, if I have a choice I will take the aluminum one any day!!
TRUTH!!! 😆
Someone who struggles with IKEA furniture.. is going to be one of the people spending HOURS or even DAYS doing ONE 80%er. She ain't gettin it done in 15min lol
HelloFresh v. Garland is up next. I'm glad it's not Alcohol, Tobacco and Food!
The question is how many 80% kits vs how many have been used in crimes, not found in criminal investigations, but actually used in commission of a crime?
My father was a gunsmith/machinist I made my first firearm at 14 years old and have never heard such BS as this horribly uneducated woman was spewing my father with 50+ years of experience and known all over for being one of the best gunsmiths in the country couldn’t machine an 80% in 15 minutes I’m from the Showme state please show me I will destroy every gun I own if this woman can prove to me she can machine it completely in 15 minutes and prove it works. I’m waiting
All of this is irrelevant because building your own firearm has been legal in America since it's founding. Firearms have only needed serial numbers for about 90 years. Nevermind the first 150 years this country existed when they didn't need them.
Does anyone think for a second that atf would tell the truth. Nouthing will happen to them for lieing.
Funny how nothing happens for lying to scotus, we lie to a judge you're fubar
Even if charges were filed, Biden would pardon them because they're doing it at his behest.
Pretty much. They're never held accountable especially for the lives they've taken over constitutionally protected actions.
They'll continue to not be held accountable, until the people victimized by the criminal bureaucracies force the consequences of their lawbreaking upon them.
Give that woman a ball of yarn and get a sweater in 5 min.
😂
If I did have some 80% lowers it would be because I like to build stuff myself, and the government already effectively has an illegal gun registry.
lying will not matter if the justices are not aware of it. ATF lied twice and DOJ had to apologize twice in their submission.
As a working individual, I spent months on Saturday afternoons with a dremel tool, drills, vices, and fixtures forming fitting, researching, and then waiting for parts to arrive in the mail to complete a pistol that was supposed to have everything in the kit. And, that was way back when it was possible to buy upper and lower kits. I succeeded but not quickly. Then, there's the process of range testing to failure, getting better quality replacement parts, and restoring the weapon to functionality. Why do it. Because, now years later, I have a fun, reliable range toy that I assembled myself. Much like the satisfaction of restoring an old car or motorcycle.
I've had a ton of cap guns growing up and now my kids have them. I've never seen one that "expells birdshot"
I've tried 2 of these kits. The first does not work and the second is a one shot wonder. It took me a couple hours for each one, as I didn't want to screw it up. I am very mechanically inclined and since a child have torn everything I owned (or my dad owned) apart to see how it worked. And of course put it back together and functional or my dad would have beat my ass. I think she is an ignorant fool and makes it simplistic to validate her claim. She should be given a kit and complete it in court. Seriously these people can't even remove a slide on a handgun...
It doesn’t matter if it makes a gun when you’re done. GUNS ARE LEGAL!
She is misrepresenting.
Not even gonna lie, the stat of 100 or 1000% increase of the ghost guns being used in crimes is crazy. Not because it may be a lie or the truth but because it leaves out the figure of serialized firearms being used in crime.
If it’s close to a 1:1 in crime decreased by normal guns to an increase by 80% then the issue is still that criminals are easily getting guns. Banning the 80% wont make the crime go down. It’ll just make it less fun for the people that genuinely have a passion of building guns.
Imagine if instead of ways that people can buy and make guns, the ATF went after the people who are making or selling firearms to people who shouldn’t have them. Instead of limiting the ability of the common person to exercise their right they focused on their actual duty of locking up criminals who forgone their rights by being a bad actor in the world.
Aluminum AR lower, three days. PF9C, one day but about two weeks to get it working right. So 15 minutes... pft
Pete was weak and unprepared. The deafening silence at the end of his short argument said it all.
Who is trimming their dog’s nails with a dremel and HOW THE FUCK is it relevant?
You ever own a great Dane
We are allowed to make our own fire arms. This should not even be a court case.
That is straight up perjury !!!!
6:38 ATF going after dog owners again....... rofl this lady
ROFL 😂😂😂
It's like they all forget that prior to the GCA of 1968, serial numbers weren't required. Doesn't Bruen's "historical text and tradition" apply here?
With my Bridgeport mill equipped with a DRO (digital readout), the proper tooling and the proper jigs, I spent well over an hour on an 80% lower, and I screwed it up. I milled out the cavity before drilling the trigger holes, so the bit walked on the far-side of the cavity.
Another thing they missed is that a hobbyist also derives pleasure from the finish work, such as anodizing, Cerecoating, engraving, laser etching, researching and testing various components, etc
Why isn't she being charged for perjury for this?
The irony! The attorney, who never used a tool in their life, is also being a tool.
Who knew, she just invented a new use for cap guns, I was ripped off as a child! I never knew my cap gun could expell a projectile!!!!😢
Lies and damned lies - no statistics needed. As one who has spent HOURS working on an 80% kit (and a licensed gunsmith), I'm going to call bullsh*t every word out of her mouth. She is purposely, intentionally attempting to mislead and mischaracterize reality.
That woman’s vocal fry is nauseating.
I would like to see the AFT* manufacture one of these during the hearing.
The ATF and the courts threw a guy in jail for selling machine guns when the ATF could not get the etching to actually work. It's all corrupt.
For real. According to them it takes less than an hour lol okay
Yeah and "using" a nail file as she said.
Great information to get out.
I would love it if a judge said, we are bringing in a table, some tools, and a gun kit, have it working for us before we come back from lunch!!We will be going to the range, so don't bull shit us.
It shouldn't be necessary. The lies are so frequent and self-evident that punishment is _already_ warranted. Who needs to hear another lie to know the agency is acting in bad faith?
That's how you can tell they've never tried to complete an 80% lower or reciever. They are not easy to finish if you don't have a good mill or amazing mini mill and the technical ability to use either of those to get within a tolerance of .0001 of an inch.
Obviously, she does not know It's legal for a citizen to make / manufacture their own firearm
This is why they need to bring back shop classes in high school.Everybody had to attend a shop class.So you understood mechanics also , understanding how to use your fingers and hands
The parts, well they're just like a clump of cells...
Awesome breakdown! Watched the live stream your face was like mine! Keep up the awesome work!!
Thank you
The AK parts kit sounds cool.
I want to see the court give her an 80% with all the tools and have her do it right there in the courtroom.
Seriously?
She struggles with Ikea furniture, but can complete a 80% kit in under an hour?
Colouy me skeptical!
So, if I have all the parts for something, the instructions to build the thing, and the tools to do so, I have the thing even before it's assembled? Madness.
How long before owning machine tools is a firearms offense?
"Shall not be infringed"
When does the ATF ever tell the truth
This is excellent! Bring the smoke.
I built my first AR-10 myself. I ended up buying an M&P10. I have since finished it and am waiting on a BCG as it’s different than the M&P. It took forever to get the gas block aligned and I’m a heavy equipment mechanic!! It’s not as easy as they say.
Great job. Thank you. 🇺🇸👌
I was a small arms repairman in the Army for 4 years. I've disassembled and reassembled more firearms than I even care to know. I've worked as a maintenance technician since I left the Army in 2010 and have plenty of experience with power tools. My first and only P80 took a few days (i wasn't really in any kind of rush) and never functioned properly. I wouldn't even attempt another one.
I have spend a couple hours looking for a detent pin and spring that got squirrely while building an AR let along having a fully assembled and functional gun in 15 min
P.S. Where can one acquire one of these "Cap Guns that expel birdshot" that according to the ATF are not guns?
I have a feeling that the ATF is about to see that they’re not as Powerful as they think they are.
I absolutely did not buy an 80% kit in order to escape restrictions on a felon prohibition from guns. But the challenge is what interested me. And the government not having a say about what I put in my hand was a big, fat bonus. And yes, it took much longer than 15 minutes and quite a bit of refinement to make a reliable tool.
I watched a gunsmith, a trained professional, take two days to mill and drill an 80% lower. When I did it myself it took four days and a LOT of trial and error to get it working after. I actually feel lucky I got it working at all!
Shrodinger's Receiver.... It is and it isn't simultaneously.... 🤯
My sense is that there will be a couple of mini-rulings that address several issues with the rule. Each side will get something.
So! So they lied again! What's gonna happen? The same "nothing," that happened all the other times they lied...
Since when does a cap gun expell bird shot ?
Can an unborn baby be easily converted into a human being? I am just curious if they understand their hypocrisy?
This law is completely null and void due to not being legislated by elected officials with consent of the people. Plain and simple.
- The article headlines I've seen from corporate media seem to think the SupCourt might be leaning in favor of the ATF. 😒
You still watch that crap?
- My news feed on my Pixel gives me articles. 🤷🏻♂️ I don't open very many, but it gives me general idea of what the media is covering.
@@BlueMarten Now I got what you're putting down. I haven't watched any professional propaganda for over 8 years. And I too have a news article feed of sorts, but be aware that most of those are also agit prop campaigns and you must be able to read the bias on both sides of those as well.
In my personal life experience... when judges ask direct questions, they already know the answer...
I messed my first two 80% kits! Learned my lesson and purchased a better jig for the follow up build or builds!
And Bruen is not even brought up once during discussion. These kits have been available in some form or another for a century and the ATF approved 80% kits for a decade.
The first one I did took many days to assemble and weeks to get to cycle correctly.
Subsequent ones were better but still took significant time.
I laughed at some of the clear lies she was telling.
Gotta understand that the Supremes ask questions they already know the answer to. Remember they have a staff that thoroughly researches the plaintiff’s position on the position they will or are likely to take on the questions under consideration.
Been there, done that, I realized that it is definitely "gunsmithing" and I stopped recommending to friends and family "you can do it too!" because many people can't pull it off and then they feel like I wasted their time and money by suggesting that they could do it.
You are not required to have a FFL as a gunsmith unless you are selling modern firearms.
You might want to check on that a little more. Now if you are only working on or with black powder maybe. Or without any payment.
The brake job is a beautiful analogy!
They lie always.
The main reason I would purchase 80% kit is the primary reason they don't want me to have it.. because they don't know about it and can't trace it. Therefore if they ever managed to get gun confiscation they wouldn't know about that one
Made many black powder firearms back in the day. Now trying my hand here for the satisfaction of being able to
That lady speaking for the Government is the Solicitor General of the United States.
What they are freaking about is that it's starting to look like all unconstitutional bureaucracy are starting to unravel
A prohibited persons legally own build, buy or sale. Criminals going to criminal. Basically ATF lawyer is saying if all the parts are purchased individually it's ok. Just not in a complete kit.
It never goes together in 15 minutes, or 30 minutes, sometimes it takes days of fitting and checking to make them work.😊