That 8.6 is amazing, would have never figured you could have that much punch at those sound levels. Also it helps that it is a beautiful looking rifle.
As a history buff, I've read so much about the De Lisle carbine, it was so great to actually see it handled and in action. Glad you admitted at the end that 80 year old comparison to modern suppressed designs isn't really fair or accurate. Thank you for that. Great video!
80 years ago I'm pretty sure the De Lisle would have ALL that gee-whiz factor. 80 years from now, the 8.6 will sound like a cannon shot. (...ish). Thanks Ray! Good stuff!
When I was experimenting for a rifle I could use for suburban deer hunting I started with a 44 mag with light loads with pretty good success but settled on a bolt action suppressed 300 blackout only because of reliable all copper bullets that expand reliably out to a 100yds. Barrel length and bore diameter are the biggest factors for sub sonic quiet rounds. I even used light loads in a 54 cal muzzle loader for deer to 75 yds. with it's size and pure soft lead being capable for deer with subsonic loads. The bigger bore guns sound more like a spud gun going off that most people wouldn't think it was even a rifle from 50 yds away.
Habe vor 40 Jahren eine leisere .22 gebaut. Hier ist tatsächlich mit Standardmunition nur noch das Klicken des Schlagbolzens zu hören. Das Geräusch der Kugel in der Luft gleicht dem einer starken Steinschleuder.
Love seeing all that pretty WNC greenery in the background. You've got a beautiful range and great informative videos. Very glad I came across your channel a few years back. Keep up the great work!
some "conversions" use the full length .303 rifle action and locate the .45 magazine farther forward. bolt apparently smoother and less feed issues that way.
Great video. With respect to energy the calculation is KE=1/2 *m*v squared. The only way to change the energy if subsonic velocity (v) is maintained is to change the bullet weight (m). So the heavier 280 gr 8.6 is going to have more energy than the 230 gr .45 if the velocity is the same. If this formula is in (v) meters per second (m) has units of kilograms and, the kinetic energy has units of kilograms-meters squared per second squared.
Wow..! The 8.6 is more quiet than some airguns i've had. I could probably get away with shooting that in my backyard and with that much knockdown power...😳 Impressive...!
Cheers for sharing there's a lot of handy info there and loved the info given the way it was done and demonstration of effective hitting power esp as it was better relatable than just numbers as it was both visual and audible nice work
Greetings, great hands on test ,the 8.6 /thunder beast combo is a winning match, not to down play the value of the compared platforms,they all shine for their design task , congrats on another superb video Mr X.💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
I shoot a lot of Aguila's 60 grain Sniper Subsonic 22 LR ammo. It requires 1:9 twist or better to stabilize the bullet, shoots flat out to 60 yards, holds 1 inch at that range, is very wind resistant, and with a good suppressor is almost silent.
I was gonna say. I just got a Ruger 10/22 and I couldn't believe how quiet it is. Both of the larger cartridges are quiet, but have a deeper bass. So more easily heard. The 22 is super quiet. Go to subsonic ammo and it would be even quieter. I'd bet those WWII special ops guys would LOVE to have that 8.6. Quieter, more accurate, longer range, more energy.
Great video. Nearest I had to a Grandpa was an ex SOE agent who served in WW2, he had a crazy war, first German he killed was with his bare hands , second was with his own Luger.
When you shot toward the iPhone you could hear the energy behind the de Lyle, sounded strong, but the blackout is much quieter with more energy, so that's my pick for the win, fantastic shooting!
Like the way you get right to the meet of the review...good action less yapping...most gun reviews are full of babble and fluff...you get the job done...!!..👍
A major advancement of suppressor technology is changing not just db levels (sound pressure levels) of the shot, but more specifically quieting specific frequencies that the ear is most attunned to. Also unsupressed gunshots have a distinctive sound signature that is recognizable as a gunshot even if heard at a distance. Modern suppressors engineer their baffles & flow chambers to change the sound characteristics so what you hear does not immediately make you recognize a gunshot. Finally, suppressor metalurgy that can both handle rifle pressures & provide silencing is a much more recent post-WW2 phenomenon. Metalurgy & super-alloys since the 1990s has gone through a massive revolution, coupled wirh 3D printing titanium alloys of the mid-2010s has made percieved sound reduction absolutely unreal compared to anything before it.
The De Lisle was meant to be used with subsonic ammo. A chronograph would tell your viewers if the bullet was at subsonic velocity. The U.K. video that I watched proved the De Lisle carbine to be "stupid quiet". Apart from that, good video. First time I heard a suppressed 8.6.....impressive, to say the least.
Let's keep in mind that it's not an original. The reproduction may look the part, but it doesn't mean to say it was built to the same specifications, especially the intrical suppressor. So in summary....... not a fair or accurate test. In my opinion.
Almost 30 years ago, a guy I knew modified a 22 cal rifle by essentially turning the barrel into a silencer. The only sound emitted from that gun was the sound of the semi-automatic firing mechanism ejecting spent rounds.
One prototype was made in 9mm but it was regarded as a failure, I can remember some being available in the 1980's in 9mm but I cannot remember who made them, the originals from WW2 were made by Ford (yes the car company) and Sterling (sub magine gun people) some of the Sterling versions used the folding stock from their SMG's to give a more compact version. Tested with a decibel meter they produce a value of about 85 Decibels which would be right around the sound level of a busy city street in 1944/45
The point with the Delisle is that it was not supposed to sound like a shot, out in the woods all of them are noticeable, though for me the 8.6 is the winner (just) but this is out in the woods, now go to a wartime setting, perhaps in a town or city, add the ambient noise in and it's unlikely you would hear any of them, given that the Delisle was invented in a short time using existing weapons and ammo it holds up remarkably well 80 years later. As an assassination weapon it's purpose is to allow the shooter to make their escape and I think for that purpose it stands the test of time very well, they sound more like someone chopping wood than a shot
@griffithguns1776 Dude, I've had plenty of custom work done, and do a decent amount of work myself, and there is simply no justification for this price. Say a sporterized enfield is 400 bucks and let's be generous and allow another 600 for materials. That leaves 4000. How is there possible 4k worth of work in one if these? Assembling a metal can, attaching sights, modifying the bolt head, installing a 45 barrel, and making a mag well to take 1911 mag, isn't exactly 4k worth of work. There is just no justification. I make good money and spend fsr more than I should on guns, especially enfields, but the juice just isn't worth the squeeze on this one.
@griffithguns1776 you make a point, I suppose there were enough people with stupid amounts of disposable income that they sold out. They only made like 150 originally, and I suppose if you can afford to collect original SOE stuff, you can probably afford 5k on a repro delisle. Still I just think it's outrageous, especially considering most repros I've seen aren't that great, many even use Phillips or torx head screws. I'm all about paying a craftsman for their work, but I just don't see a repro like this being worth that much.
@rickyspanish9002 It may actually be worth their wages. An average machinist makes $20-30 hourly. I'd expect a machinist that bought his own workshop, machinery, maintains a type 7 ffl, should earn atleast $50 an hour. A week of work could be 3k and up.
Ray great video. Your videos are always informative and I learn something new each video. I would like to spend a day shooting with you. After watching the video on the De Lisle .45 caliber carbine, in my perception, it is not the quietest rifle ever. The comparison using the 8.6 Blackout and the .22LR from the shooter perspective is much quieter than the De Lisle. I had read about the De Lisle, however I have never seen one fired. Thank you very much for sharing.
I am a 45acp guy and always have been, especially for suppressed PCCs. The 230 grain is inherently subsonic and therefore ideal for suppressed usage. With that said your 8.6, with that suppressor, is pretty nice. My go to rifle for the moment is 300 black suppressed...but your 8.6 was impressive. The only complaint I have with it, which is also part of why its so quiet, is the bolt action. Thats a deal breaker for me, but it means I now need to look into an 8.6 at some point in the not too distant future. :-)
I would rather hear the De Lisle with WW2 ammo instead of modern .45ACP loads, and of course modern tech will have superceded the De Lisle in terms of outright noise reduction, but back then in WW2 the De Lisle was the quietest option along with the Welrod in .32ACP when it came to sneaky beaky knocking people and guard dogs over, I would like to see a modernised version of the De Lisle using a modern silencer design inside it, something like a modern 3D printed titanium design mounted into the tube
I've stood next to a genuine WW2 De Lisle being shot on a 100yds outdoor range, with 1950's .45 ACP straight from the box. Standing next to it sounded like a trained boxer hitting a punch bag. If you heard one of these down range, either the shooter missed, or you were not the intended target. Don't forget the intention was to use this at very close range
Who doesn't want a quiet life? Firing sub sonic ammo helps. Systems that bleed energy off to bring down high velocity ammo to subsonic always struggle. The original De Lisle were all hand fettled/built, so fantastic for their time. Loads of ways to do quiet now. There are a few dedicated fully moderated modern efforts out there. I'm sure I've seen both AI and Rem 700s max moderated by the likes of LEI. Some actions just seem quieter than others. Some moderators seem to do a better job of it. Quiet always depends on environment, wind, other noise like traffic, and the whop of the hit, what hit? Heck, day or night difference in how noise travels, and moisture in the air. Some nights a crisp packet or your goretex can seem loud. I do like quiet rifles. Thanks.
Damn! that Ruger is Quiet! But, to be Honest it's like comparing a Typewriter to a Word processor, in it's day the De Lisle was state of the art Quiet and it got the Job done, (Incidentally the original requested 9mm Prototype was a failure) whereas the 8.6 Blackout has the luxury of Modern Materials as well as a greater understanding Ballistic gas expansion coefficients, that and unlike the Welrod who's operational range was no more than 20 yards, the De Lisle took advantage of it's extended range to further enhance it's quietness, having said that Though, I enjoyed the video immensely.
Great video about the acousticts. Point of the oldskool gun looks like it spreads the sound a round, pretty difficult to point out where the shot is coming after that.
A critical factor in silencer effectiveness is the size of the exit aperture. A smaller hole slows the flow of gas out of the can. For this reason a .22 is easy to suppress. Even crude cans made out of "solvent traps" work great. A .30 cal can is harder. A .45 cal can is most difficult.
NFA review channel had an Energetic Armament Vox using a Ruger American Ranch in 300 blackout and it is the most quiet rifle I have ever or will ever hear. Give it a look see
The original de Lisle's had rubber shoot thro wiper baffles which would lose damping effect after a mag or so of shots and needed to be replaced to maintain full suppression . I don't know if this repro has these I assume not as swapping them out is a PITA Original only had a 7" barrel most repros have longer
No they did not have rubber baffles. The drawings are available via the IWM Royal Armouries Leeds and also ARES. Please read them. The Sten suppressor was not rubber baffled. The DeLisle was not rubber baffled. The Welrod was. You are mixing them up.
@@zoiders You are both wrong they had both rubber wipes and metal baffles, however do not take my word for it, this is from the Royal Armouries : "The barrel was taken from the Thompson submachine gun and was drilled with holes to allow the suppressor around it to work more effectively. The large suppressor, with its metal baffles and rubber ‘wipes’, allowed propellant gases to expand and cool, greatly reducing the report." Back in the 1980's and early 90's I used to shoot with some ex WW2 servicemen, one of them had been running around behind the lines in 1944 with the SAS in France and I believe Germany, he had used the Delisle in anger and said it was very effective if you could get close i.e under 200 yards and had a bit of covering sound. It's not so much that you don't hear it but that it does not sound like a shot and that it's very hard to pinpoint which direction it came from
I think time has caught up with it. To me the 8.6 in the last test was the winner. Always enjoy your content.
Yeah, one could hunt effectively without disturbing the entire valley.
Agreed, the 8.6 sounds the quietest to my ears.
That 8.6 is amazing, would have never figured you could have that much punch at those sound levels. Also it helps that it is a beautiful looking rifle.
As a history buff, I've read so much about the De Lisle carbine, it was so great to actually see it handled and in action. Glad you admitted at the end that 80 year old comparison to modern suppressed designs isn't really fair or accurate. Thank you for that. Great video!
80 years ago I'm pretty sure the De Lisle would have ALL that gee-whiz factor. 80 years from now, the 8.6 will sound like a cannon shot. (...ish). Thanks Ray! Good stuff!
The iPhone audio makes it sounds like a Star wars laser gun
We will have ray guns and force fields by then!
Cuz we'll have laser weapons
When I was experimenting for a rifle I could use for suburban deer hunting I started with a 44 mag with light loads with pretty good success but settled on a bolt action suppressed 300 blackout only because of reliable all copper bullets that expand reliably out to a 100yds. Barrel length and bore diameter are the biggest factors for sub sonic quiet rounds. I even used light loads in a 54 cal muzzle loader for deer to 75 yds. with it's size and pure soft lead being capable for deer with subsonic loads. The bigger bore guns sound more like a spud gun going off that most people wouldn't think it was even a rifle from 50 yds away.
Great footage Ray. Thanks for your time and work you put into making videos for the audience. Have a good week sir.
Nicely structured comparison, only miss was leaving out 300BLK but I'm not complaining.
Great video! Wish ya had the .300 BLK out in there as well.
Habe vor 40 Jahren eine leisere .22 gebaut. Hier ist tatsächlich mit Standardmunition nur noch das Klicken des Schlagbolzens zu hören. Das Geräusch der Kugel in der Luft gleicht dem einer starken Steinschleuder.
Love seeing all that pretty WNC greenery in the background. You've got a beautiful range and great informative videos. Very glad I came across your channel a few years back. Keep up the great work!
Very cool video. Thank you! Beautiful range!
Super jealous of that range. Life goals for sure!
I really want to try out the 338 ARC too. Love my 6 ARC. Thanks for doing the tests and sharing some history.
Hornady hornadied Q and it's hilarious
some "conversions" use the full length .303 rifle action and locate the .45 magazine farther forward. bolt apparently smoother and less feed issues that way.
Great video. With respect to energy the calculation is KE=1/2 *m*v squared. The only way to change the energy if subsonic velocity (v) is maintained is to change the bullet weight (m). So the heavier 280 gr 8.6 is going to have more energy than the 230 gr .45 if the velocity is the same. If this formula is in (v) meters per second (m) has units of kilograms and, the kinetic energy has units of kilograms-meters squared per second squared.
Suppressor technology has evolved. The DeLisle was cutting edge - in its day. Great video...!
Your energy test will be on every UA-cam hub channel in a week. Great idea
When I first see this it reminded me of the Welrod as you said
a fascinating weapon
Thank you for the demonstration
Wow..! The 8.6 is more quiet than some airguns i've had. I could probably get away with shooting that in my backyard and with that much knockdown power...😳 Impressive...!
Cheers for sharing there's a lot of handy info there and loved the info given the way it was done and demonstration of effective hitting power esp as it was better relatable than just numbers as it was both visual and audible nice work
Greetings, great hands on test ,the 8.6 /thunder beast combo is a winning match, not to down play the value of the compared platforms,they all shine for their design task , congrats on another superb video Mr X.💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Serious Fallout vibes 😅but a great historical piece replica 👍I like how the mag release doesn’t drop it to avoid the noise of it hitting the ground.
Hey, thank you for doing that down range sound check. The 8.6 was hands down the winner.
I shoot a lot of Aguila's 60 grain Sniper Subsonic 22 LR ammo. It requires 1:9 twist or better to stabilize the bullet, shoots flat out to 60 yards, holds 1 inch at that range, is very wind resistant, and with a good suppressor is almost silent.
Thanks for the lesson!
Kind Thanks and keep on shootin on! Those guns are amazing indeed! DaveyJO in Pennsylvania
Great video! great to see this classic!
Great video. Carefully made and interesting.Thanks. From Ireland.
Great video I was really impressed with the 8.6 black out...
The quietest rifle ever made was... the one with a bayonet.
I was gonna say. I just got a Ruger 10/22 and I couldn't believe how quiet it is.
Both of the larger cartridges are quiet, but have a deeper bass. So more easily heard. The 22 is super quiet. Go to subsonic ammo and it would be even quieter.
I'd bet those WWII special ops guys would LOVE to have that 8.6. Quieter, more accurate, longer range, more energy.
Amazing content as always.
Definitely not as quiet as the others 👍
Interesting compassion.Kept me fascinated the entire video.
In summary, technology has apparently evolved in 70 years.
Great video. Nearest I had to a Grandpa was an ex SOE agent who served in WW2, he had a crazy war, first German he killed was with his bare hands , second was with his own Luger.
Thank You Sir! This was a great comparison. I learned of the historical firearm. 👍🇺🇲
In shocking news, rifle and cartridge technology today is more advanced than WW2.
When you shot toward the iPhone you could hear the energy behind the de Lyle, sounded strong, but the blackout is much quieter with more energy, so that's my pick for the win, fantastic shooting!
Like the way you get right to the meet of the review...good action less yapping...most gun reviews are full of babble and fluff...you get the job done...!!..👍
A major advancement of suppressor technology is changing not just db levels (sound pressure levels) of the shot, but more specifically quieting specific frequencies that the ear is most attunned to.
Also unsupressed gunshots have a distinctive sound signature that is recognizable as a gunshot even if heard at a distance.
Modern suppressors engineer their baffles & flow chambers to change the sound characteristics so what you hear does not immediately make you recognize a gunshot.
Finally, suppressor metalurgy that can both handle rifle pressures & provide silencing is a much more recent post-WW2 phenomenon.
Metalurgy & super-alloys since the 1990s has gone through a massive revolution, coupled wirh 3D printing titanium alloys of the mid-2010s has made percieved sound reduction absolutely unreal compared to anything before it.
Another great test!
Thank you for the top level content and presentation.
X ring!!
Always great reviews!
Always like the cool stuff I might not be able to afford it but it’s always very cool so thanks for sharing hope you and your family are doing well
338 arc will be affordable
The De Lisle was meant to be used with subsonic ammo. A chronograph would tell your viewers if the bullet was at subsonic velocity. The U.K. video that I watched proved the De Lisle carbine to be "stupid quiet". Apart from that, good video. First time I heard a suppressed 8.6.....impressive, to say the least.
.45ACP is subsonic.
Speed of sound is ~330 m/s. Standard .45 ACP 230 grain FMJ from a 5 inch barrel is ~250 m/s.
The DeLisle was not intended for subsonic anything. Same as the silenced Sten. They were both designed to run on standard ball ammunition.
Same for HK Mp5 SD.
Thanks for sharing, Ray!
❤❤❤❤❤ the deepest respect ❤❤❤love from Australia.Clay ❤❤❤Awesomely cool rifle
On my bucket list of rifles to own.
Let's keep in mind that it's not an original. The reproduction may look the part, but it doesn't mean to say it was built to the same specifications, especially the intrical suppressor. So in summary....... not a fair or accurate test. In my opinion.
Very cool video. The 8.6 sounded the quietest to my ear, 22 being 2nd.
Almost 30 years ago, a guy I knew modified a 22 cal rifle by essentially turning the barrel into a silencer. The only sound emitted from that gun was the sound of the semi-automatic firing mechanism ejecting spent rounds.
That’s exactly what the .22lr is. It has a barrel that is a suppressor. 👍🏼
Thanks for sharing 😊
Forget all the features on this gun. This thing has the rule of cool to it. Looks like Boba Fetts blaster rifle. I love it!!
Great video! Fun!
Great video Ray!
Nice work. Thanks!
Very nice comparison.
Quite enjoyed, will subscribe and watch more.
This was an excellent demonstration! Thank you.
Great job on this subject thx
From a distance they sounded like what you hear when you use a slingshot. I'm amazed how silent it all was.
Great video my man yeah looks like technology has cought the delile to me that 8.6 is some kind of wicked and got a whole lot more energy
I wish someone was still making replicas of these.
I used to borrow a silenced 12 gauge - like holding a drainpipe and made pretty much the same sound as lightly slapping the open end of a drainpipe
Great video. I have shot a genuine De Lisle which was in 9mm. They are very quiet.
U haven't
They only made them in .45. Not saying you didn’t shoot one, but you may have been confused on the caliber.
@@saltydawg8988 Definitely have shot one but like you said I may have been confused on the caliber.🙂
One prototype was made in 9mm but it was regarded as a failure, I can remember some being available in the 1980's in 9mm but I cannot remember who made them, the originals from WW2 were made by Ford (yes the car company) and Sterling (sub magine gun people) some of the Sterling versions used the folding stock from their SMG's to give a more compact version. Tested with a decibel meter they produce a value of about 85 Decibels which would be right around the sound level of a busy city street in 1944/45
The point with the Delisle is that it was not supposed to sound like a shot, out in the woods all of them are noticeable, though for me the 8.6 is the winner (just) but this is out in the woods, now go to a wartime setting, perhaps in a town or city, add the ambient noise in and it's unlikely you would hear any of them, given that the Delisle was invented in a short time using existing weapons and ammo it holds up remarkably well 80 years later. As an assassination weapon it's purpose is to allow the shooter to make their escape and I think for that purpose it stands the test of time very well, they sound more like someone chopping wood than a shot
Very interesting. Thank you.
I collect enfields and would love to add one of these to my collection, but the $4000-5000 is insane. Completely unreasonable for what it is.
That sounds about right for custom work
@griffithguns1776 Dude, I've had plenty of custom work done, and do a decent amount of work myself, and there is simply no justification for this price. Say a sporterized enfield is 400 bucks and let's be generous and allow another 600 for materials. That leaves 4000. How is there possible 4k worth of work in one if these? Assembling a metal can, attaching sights, modifying the bolt head, installing a 45 barrel, and making a mag well to take 1911 mag, isn't exactly 4k worth of work. There is just no justification. I make good money and spend fsr more than I should on guns, especially enfields, but the juice just isn't worth the squeeze on this one.
@rickyspanish9002 That's a pretty huge conversion process. Either way it appears people bought it and they're sold out. They chose the right price.
@griffithguns1776 you make a point, I suppose there were enough people with stupid amounts of disposable income that they sold out. They only made like 150 originally, and I suppose if you can afford to collect original SOE stuff, you can probably afford 5k on a repro delisle.
Still I just think it's outrageous, especially considering most repros I've seen aren't that great, many even use Phillips or torx head screws. I'm all about paying a craftsman for their work, but I just don't see a repro like this being worth that much.
@rickyspanish9002 It may actually be worth their wages. An average machinist makes $20-30 hourly. I'd expect a machinist that bought his own workshop, machinery, maintains a type 7 ffl, should earn atleast $50 an hour. A week of work could be 3k and up.
Ray great video. Your videos are always informative and I learn something new each video. I would like to spend a day shooting with you. After watching the video on the De Lisle .45 caliber carbine, in my perception, it is not the quietest rifle ever. The comparison using the 8.6 Blackout and the .22LR from the shooter perspective is much quieter than the De Lisle. I had read about the De Lisle, however I have never seen one fired. Thank you very much for sharing.
Snapping your fingers would've been a great way to let us gauge what the iPhone was picking up and how it would compare to the shots.
I am a 45acp guy and always have been, especially for suppressed PCCs. The 230 grain is inherently subsonic and therefore ideal for suppressed usage. With that said your 8.6, with that suppressor, is pretty nice. My go to rifle for the moment is 300 black suppressed...but your 8.6 was impressive. The only complaint I have with it, which is also part of why its so quiet, is the bolt action. Thats a deal breaker for me, but it means I now need to look into an 8.6 at some point in the not too distant future. :-)
In Nam the MAC/SOG used a modified M1 carbine in 9mm, it was very quiet and almost a legend since most do not know about it.
I would rather hear the De Lisle with WW2 ammo instead of modern .45ACP loads, and of course modern tech will have superceded the De Lisle in terms of outright noise reduction, but back then in WW2 the De Lisle was the quietest option along with the Welrod in .32ACP when it came to sneaky beaky knocking people and guard dogs over, I would like to see a modernised version of the De Lisle using a modern silencer design inside it, something like a modern 3D printed titanium design mounted into the tube
Designed with a pencil, paper and brain cells. If we doing fair comparisons better do a P51 vs F22 now 😂
I've stood next to a genuine WW2 De Lisle being shot on a 100yds outdoor range, with 1950's .45 ACP straight from the box. Standing next to it sounded like a trained boxer hitting a punch bag. If you heard one of these down range, either the shooter missed, or you were not the intended target. Don't forget the intention was to use this at very close range
Thanks for sharing! Good video
Even for its age, the De Lisle is still very impressive.
Good video marra👏👏 shame it was too loud compared to what's out now but sometimes the old ways are the best 👀 take care 👍
Thank you for being yourself. Fantastic information. Yup.
This is the best video I've watched in a while.
I’ve always been intrigued about the Swiss G150 chambered in 41 rem mag.
Who doesn't want a quiet life? Firing sub sonic ammo helps. Systems that bleed energy off to bring down high velocity ammo to subsonic always struggle. The original De Lisle were all hand fettled/built, so fantastic for their time. Loads of ways to do quiet now. There are a few dedicated fully moderated modern efforts out there. I'm sure I've seen both AI and Rem 700s max moderated by the likes of LEI. Some actions just seem quieter than others. Some moderators seem to do a better job of it. Quiet always depends on environment, wind, other noise like traffic, and the whop of the hit, what hit? Heck, day or night difference in how noise travels, and moisture in the air. Some nights a crisp packet or your goretex can seem loud.
I do like quiet rifles.
Thanks.
your auto gimbal camera bot does a pretty good job
Damn! that Ruger is Quiet! But, to be Honest it's like comparing a Typewriter to a Word processor, in it's day the De Lisle was state of the art Quiet and it got the Job done, (Incidentally the original requested 9mm Prototype was a failure) whereas the 8.6 Blackout has the luxury of Modern Materials as well as a greater understanding Ballistic gas expansion coefficients, that and unlike the Welrod who's operational range was no more than 20 yards, the De Lisle took advantage of it's extended range to further enhance it's quietness, having said that Though, I enjoyed the video immensely.
Great video about the acousticts. Point of the oldskool gun looks like it spreads the sound a round, pretty difficult to point out where the shot is coming after that.
wow...nice video. greetz from germnany !
Legends never die. You would be surprised how many British people still think cordite is loaded into shell casings today.
Seems louder than the delisle I was lucky enough to use in the 80's
Tech has come a long way, the modern rifles are a whole lot quieter now ofc.
Good video. Very interesting.
broke one main rule when shooting... NO SAFTEY GLASSES
11:07, not the quietest but, in my opinion, the best sound!!
That auto tracking gimbal you have is super cool
Dude considering when that thing was invented it's insane let's be real here.
now were talkin
love it
Thank you
A critical factor in silencer effectiveness is the size of the exit aperture. A smaller hole slows the flow of gas out of the can. For this reason a .22 is easy to suppress. Even crude cans made out of "solvent traps" work great.
A .30 cal can is harder.
A .45 cal can is most difficult.
The EBR subsonic 5.56 your up-close friend here.
NFA review channel had an Energetic Armament Vox using a Ruger American Ranch in 300 blackout and it is the most quiet rifle I have ever or will ever hear. Give it a look see
8.6 won and I think the 22 was a close second but that 5000$ one is proof that you can go a whole lot cheaper and be a whole lot quieter
I’m not all that sure his 8.6 is a cheaper set up. I’d actually guess he’s got a lot more than 5k on that gun.
The original de Lisle's had rubber shoot thro wiper baffles which would lose damping effect after a mag or so of shots and needed to be replaced to maintain full suppression .
I don't know if this repro has these I assume not as swapping them out is a PITA
Original only had a 7" barrel most repros have longer
No they did not have rubber baffles. The drawings are available via the IWM Royal Armouries Leeds and also ARES. Please read them. The Sten suppressor was not rubber baffled. The DeLisle was not rubber baffled. The Welrod was. You are mixing them up.
@@zoiders You are both wrong they had both rubber wipes and metal baffles, however do not take my word for it, this is from the Royal Armouries :
"The barrel was taken from the Thompson submachine gun and was drilled with holes to allow the suppressor around it to work more effectively. The large suppressor, with its metal baffles and rubber ‘wipes’, allowed propellant gases to expand and cool, greatly reducing the report."
Back in the 1980's and early 90's I used to shoot with some ex WW2 servicemen, one of them had been running around behind the lines in 1944 with the SAS in France and I believe Germany, he had used the Delisle in anger and said it was very effective if you could get close i.e under 200 yards and had a bit of covering sound. It's not so much that you don't hear it but that it does not sound like a shot and that it's very hard to pinpoint which direction it came from
An old soldier told me once that in his experience in Malaya silenced weapons were mainly used to shoot dogs.
X sas love those welrods!
The SRT Arms integral Ruger 77/44 is a modern take on the DeLisle and is possibly the quietest centerfire rifle out there.
You could make that DeLisle a helluva lot quieter with some modern engineering and a better baffle stack.
The original had engineering to make the bolt quieter and I doubt anyone is doing anything to make bolts quieter in modern firearms.