What BABYMETAL & POPPY reveal about metal fans
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- Опубліковано 18 лют 2020
- Babymetal and Poppy are two of metal's most interesting artists: but what does their success say about metal fans?
* Why Babymetal's "kawaii metal" gimmick works so well with songs like "Karate" and "Gimmie Chocolate"
* How Poppy transitioned from her art videos to songs like "I'm Poppy" and her most recent album "I Disagree" on Sumerian Records
* The 4 types of gimmicky, image-driven metal bands like Kiss, Gwar, Steel Panther, Slipknot, Behemoth, Ghost and Marilyn Manson
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You totally have the hotts for poppy!
I'm surprised that no one brings up LadyBaby... the guy who created that (Ladybeard) is a fuckin wacko
Talk about band maid also Japan rock new era...
Kyle Thompson who the fuck doesn’t , “please get me bloody” .......I came 2x
You're woefully misinformed if you think Poppy is better musically than BABYMETAL. Tales of the Destines. ua-cam.com/video/a_7l_asckp0/v-deo.html BABYMETAL has 30 great songs Poppy has 4.
I can confirm that Babymetal's lead singer, Suzuka Nakamoto, does NOT lip sync. At one of their shows last year, I stood about six feet away from her (in the front row) and I could hear her voice coming from her, not the PA.
And that voice is amazing
She does not lip sync I can back that up I saw them live myself and it was a kick ass show
She's been taught to sing from age 7 or 8. The Queen has no need to lipsync :D
Her voice is so beautiful! I love her
Yeah she is honestly very good live
BABYMETAL never lip-sync. I recommend you to listen to their music very carefully.
I guess , your way of looking at their music is very shallow.
Cough.. blackbabymetal.. cough
You're***
@@galaxykidM5 hopefully not as badly out of breath, as 'the Fat-Axle year(s)' when Guns N' Buckets played that award show in early-mid 2000s for the 1st time (.., so glad Axle could solve his demons of the past, help rebuild burnt bridges etc, and reform as G n' R in not long recent times.)
@@galaxykidM5 Indeed!!...
I'd image some of their fans dream of helping them for a 5th of that time in another manner completely, ahem.
..unlike that 'Faxle Awards Event', were he was skipping lyrics when running around out of breath and sync after a minute, although i believe it was the 1st live performance of Better, where he was in tune, in breath, and not running around.
(I say this as a 41yo GnR fan since '91, and a recent convert to Band-Maid [and I don't care whst language is if the music has that drive, power, skill or '...' in it] - I've not gelled with Baby Metal yet though).
@@galaxykidM5 I hear you, I''ve not too old yet, but my musical taste since I was knee high to a grasshoper has always been skilled groups, artist(s) or songs (from 60s too now) in rock metal, heavy metal, hard rock, prog-rock etc.
I haven't yet found that level of vibe from a Babymetal song yet, sorry, to me they feel simple, perhaps they're too pop-ish. Don't misunderstand me, I know they've come a long way and faced some seriously dark times and do deserve to do well and continue to improve for their fans and themselves, great! I do not either critiscise their spirit, drive or stamina for performance.
They sound, so far I've heard, for me, is just not as emotively slick enough, a complex of many melodies, a mix of hardrock, metal, rock etc, switching seemlessly between 60 years of electric guitar music influence twisted together with proper lyrics, sorry, thats where Band-Maid slay them, for me.
If I want J-Pop, I'll listen to Perfume instead (although theiy're more like reborn E17 & Petshop Boys in a female Japanese form), - damn, I'm being almost as blinkered as Finn 'Jaded-Punk'.
I also like in additon to Band-Maid.. Drop's ('Kowashite' [Destroy] is excellent), Stereopony, The Brilliant Green, JINN (her 'Mugen no Hikari' [Dreamy Light] is a great song/pv, also she looks like a Japanese 'Sussie Perry'), Kabat, Uniklubi, FLOW, Daniel Jakubovic, Jimmy Hendrix, Shamisen Girls in Tokyo, Poets Of The Fall, The Rolling Stones, Wagakki Band, Madness, Enochian Theory, Dir en Grey, Gn'R, Yello, Aerosmith, SuG, Eluveitie, Robert Plant, Shinedown, Kotoko, Queen, John Fogerty, Stabbing Westward/The Dreaming, The Waterboys, Alice-9, Dire Straits, Muse, The Cybertronic Spree, Nothing's Carved In Stone, Sting & Police, Don Johnson Big Band, Die Antwoord, Veremiy, Hitomi Takahashi, Rammstein, Batmetal, Chur, Dethklok, The HU, etc.
...and still so very very more - currently I have rock, metal, heavy metal in 17 languages, although mostly in 4, even if I can only speak bits in 3 1/2 others apart from fluent only in English.
I've been a fan of anime since '82, I have a good grasp of cultural only Janapese jokes, and the mistakes between translations/contexts in subs and dubs (I don't care which if its acted/directed well).
Forgive my long wall of text, and for not being a Babymetal fan - at least I gave better reason than the channel hosts pathetic attempt - maybe his Vietnamiese family connections suffered at the hands of the Imperialist Army during Indochina's occupation; the IJA tended to be the crazier nationalistic zealously acting of the Imperial Japanese Forces/ArmedServices.
I think Baby Metal is a great reminder that music is supposed to be fun and entertaining above everything else. good for them
I wouldnt say that music should be fun above everything else. But good try
@@afish4447 why is that?
@@haydendoglione3863 Music that touches on negative feelings and sounds melancholic is just as important and just as good
@@afish4447 and is that music fun to listen to?
@@haydendoglione3863 No. But it doesn't always have to be fun.
Why babymetal became so popular ?
1. Their music is so unique and each song sound different.
2. Their live show is amazing.
3. Their name promoted by many haters.
Thank you anyway to babymetal haters for promote babymetal.
metalheads are really annoying sometimes because of that closed mindedness. really, I hate it when some angsty teens hate on people just for liking something that is not considered 'true metal'
No ones hating on you or the music, just stop calling it metal.
@@scurrilousss lol thats basically what I'm talking about
can't tell me deathcore isn't metal
@@skinnyd_tk6795 This is what I'm talking about. No one's hating on the bands or the fans they are simply saying it's a different genre, and the asshole fans have to argue it. "Metal is metal" regardless of what it actually is, right?
@@scurrilousss you don't seem to understand that metal has subgenres as well, we call it metal because it is, like it or not (a subgenre, but still metal)
@@tgabz I understand that metal has sub-genres, micro-genres, fusion-genres, etc. Dozens of dozens. That doesn't mean everyone that sounds "heavy" or "hard" falls into some subgenre of metal.
Gimmick, image, personality, it all is an important part of not just music, but alot of types of entertainment. I'm a huge pro wrestling fan and generally, the wrestlers who have a strong gimmick, image, personality, etc are alot more fun to watch than someone who is just really good at the wrestling part. It's really the same here with music imo.
Highly recommend reading Roland Barthes' Mythologies (1957). Discusses a lot to do with signs within popular culture (albeit from a 1950s French perspective) and the modern 'myths', or understandings, that we live by. There's a great essay about Wrestling actually.
It's hard to take anybody who likes punk rock seriously about anything. That is the most image driven, pretentious music genre ever. The entire thing is a gimmick. All they do is shit on everybody else to make themselves feel better. Which is exactly what he does. They think playing 4 chords is super creative.
Gwar.
its hard to argue even zeppelin and sabbath had a gimmick. though somewhat mild all that voodoo doom vibe and what not was hard to miss.
Most the stuff i listen to is just based on the music, I've found that its better when the band isn't worried about their image or a gimmick
I think the reason Poppy got so big is because she's hypnotizing. The monotone weirdness, the paleness and bright lighting. It's like if an unstable psychiatrist had an oddly soothing voice.
And I think when she changed her image people were so intrigued that they checked it out, and then stayed for the awesome music. That's what happened for me anyway.
Absolutey! I watched 1 of her videos from a documentary, serious cult vibes....didn't really get it.
Now I have pit tickets for Jan 15th XD
I disagree is absolutely brilliant, as is the Eat-ep, and Flux also has some great songs...I hope the style doesn't drift too much further, but I'm sure it will.
It's true she is the same vibe as Salad Fingers.
Poppy = Björk if she did xanax instead of acid
The reason I like Babymetal is because they're positive. I grew up on death and black metal music, but I got sick and tired of the negative message so I stopped listening to it. I really thought the negativity in the music I was listening to affected my mental health and daily life. It made me a more aggressive person. When I heard Babymetal I was so refreshed. I always liked metal music just hated the negative message. Babymetal has a positive message, high energy, and great metal music. They were rated #10 best metal band of all time on latest metal hammer magazine. I think they're going to become very popular across the world. Just my opinion.
Also, I was right next to stage at Babymetal concert and lead singer doesn't lipsync. I could hear her singing. If you watch an official live concert you can tell she doesn't lipsync. They also have studio monitor recordings of her voice separated from the live mix. Maybe you think that because in some videos I think they overlay the studio track over the recording which I think is unnecessary. They are great live. Better than studio in my opinion.
I think some men are just too afraid to like it because it may make them not feel so masculine. So funny to me. Being worried about your masculinity is the most unmasculine thing you could do. A guy must be so sensitive to be so obsessed with his masculinity.
If anything what I think Babymetal reveals is that people like metal. They just don't always like growling and angry or negative messages.
Hard agree about all the points here, but especially about men worrying about their masculinity lol.
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Hard facts dude I love babymetal they're like a breath of fresh air and being different has my support always
I actually caught Baby Metal a few years back. They actually do not lip sync. They did put on a hell of a show, but you can tell when they needed to sing, they would lose a little more breath trying to sing while dancing at the same time lol. But, honestly, definitely in my top ten favorite shows I've been to!
I SEE babymetal in 2014 and i was impress by the musician they were sick in a good way
And l had a low opinion til l saw them last October at Aftershock. They were very good and very entertaining. No doubt. They don't come close to replacing Band-Maid for me but l would pay to see them again. Babymetal is great entertainment.
@@sacluvsBM dont you mean Band Maid replacing them there great but BabyMetal are awesome and are the more successful band . Band Maid i just like listening to. when i make 500 mile round trips to see them for just over an hour performance and queuing 12 hours with a bloke that flew from New York and One from Denver and another from Denmark and 3 ladys from Spain who all come to see BabyMetal in London ' but we all have our favourites yours is Band Maid first .mine is BabyMetal
🤘😁🤘
The Punk Rock MBA guy messaged me to say that "I never said anything about her vocal abilities" so I directed him to his own comments at 11:20 in his own video where he says "I'm pretty sure they lip sync live". Amazing.
@@tonygriffin_ Yes you stated this in another thread. Hey it's his channel.
I’ve been to a BABYMETAL concert and they do not lip sync, if they did that I probably would have left before the first song was over. But do check them out good sirs and madams because they put on a heckuva show
Just got back from cardiff. Fantastic show.
They absolutely kill live. Su is mixed way higher than the other two, but there is absolutely no lip-syncing.
Ahairball yeah. Im a bit sad moa didnt sing on head banger.
Not one of the 3 stopped smiling all night. Its great that you can tell they are still getting massive enjoyment from playing live for the crowd.
Loved it.
Can confirm, they gave us chocolate when I saw them
The Punk Rock MBA guy messaged me to say that "I never said anything about her vocal abilities" so I directed him to his own comments at 11:20 in his own video where he says "I'm pretty sure they lip sync live". Amazing.
I'm a metal fan and a Babymetal fan. When I was told about them, I was skeptical. But I was sold and many metal fans were over time. Their band is solid, their stage show is fun and high energy and...Suzuka is a solid vocalist who only seems to learn and get better.
My husband HATED BabyMetal the first time I showed him a song a cpl years ago. Now he listens to them almost daily. Some metal fans just need a little time to come around to allowing something so unexpected into their genre. I love seeing metal and other rock genres being experimented with, like the new wave of emo/screamo mixed with rap/hip-hop.
i like some j rock and j pop and am a metalhead, babymetal makes sense to me. but i couldn't imagine listening to only one genre anyway. listening to all kinds of music improves your musicality anyway if you want to learn to play, produce, or engineer sound.
People: I Love Ghost!
Also People: I hate gimmicks!
Everything said about Babymetal is wrong. Yes, they had a standard Japanese pop group company creation, but also had legitimate metal musicians as there band who also create their music. If they were average, they would have fallen off forever ago and been written off as a novelty. That's not to mention its totally not like every rock band only writes and performs their own stuff with zero help from anyone else...
..cough cough *Band-Maid* also write & compose their own material too.
Half of the (newer) groups/artists he mentioned as being massive I've never ever heard or read of; he is just as blinkered (or more so as he's 'stuck at the coalface' of rock/metal etc,) as he claims others are (myself included), then again perhaps his ears are burnt out down to iron by reviewing so much.
To be fair I am not a Baby Metal fan (yet), but I do have rock, metal, heavy metal etc in 16 languages that I listen from as and when.
Baby metal is shit.
even the notion that they had a "standard" origin story is a common misconception. generally, japanese idol groups start with a concept, and then recruit members to fit that concept. babymetal was built around su-metal and would not exist without her. she's irreplaceable.
Meh...They're okay. They're still pretty much an industry plant. And just because real artists play the instruments, doesn't change that fact. Anyone can hire good instrumentalists. The fact is their music is just OK, and the lyricism is even more OK. They're great performers live, that's about it.
Yeah I'm not trusting his taste in music when he says FFDP and Slipknot are great bands (unless they really changed from the angry emo growling metal they were 10ish years ago) and Baby metal is okay, he lso seems t be almost willfully ignorant of the power metal scenes like Sabaton and Alestorm who's whole genera is based on gimmicks and theming.
Not sure about Poppy, but what I like about Babymetal, is their shows. It's SO BORING watching a band stand still and play exactly like the studio track. Babymetal is the most fun show I've been to in decades.
never heard of bm till this video, but i agree so much w this comment. Music today is so much ab live performances that its actually killing it in rap. Falling in reverse esp in the start would've been so much better had radke threw a guitar on bc all he does is stand around awkwardly and drew no energy for the crowd to enjoy. Atleast Layne stayley did his cool mic stand poses or shook his head to the music. Travis Scott is a great example.
I'm glad that ppl are accepting an Asian wave craze thing in music.
But as the Asian (the other kind), even I don't understand them. Their languages, I mean. Also, dear ppl of grrrrness, protect baby metal 🤗💪👊. They're too cute. They remind me of relatives- when they were younger.
ngl even rob zombie said that "BABYMETAL has more energy than 90% of the bands they've play with" wich we can obviously see
I feel that way too. I've seen a lot of my favourite bands live.. Cannibal Corpse, Lamb of God, Children of Bodom, Hypocrisy, Aborted... And they are exactly that. They stand still and play. It's boring. There's no show. I'd put Judas Priest in that category too, even though they do have some stage props.
On the other hand, Alice Cooper and Rammstein are some of the best shows I've ever seen. I've seen Alice twice, and I definitely wouldn't listen to a full studio album, but the stage show is phenomenal.
@@prezzyx6158 you might want to see babymetal doing rap-hiphop-metal live. they really killing it ua-cam.com/video/pnyugz5DhrA/v-deo.html
Baby Metal definably do NOT lip sync and their live shows are so good.
Default User open your eyes
Default User Wow great criticism, totally gave reasons instead of just throwing out insults
Default User Its ok not to like something, but just because YOU don’t like something, doesn’t mean shit about the quality. When have you entertained tens of thousands if people in a live show? What’s that? You haven’t? Then shut up.
@@guywithknife
Whilst I agree with you mostly, just because one has not entertained thousands doesn’t mean they can’t judge the band.
He has an opinion. It’s the less popular and shittier opinion but not any less valid.
HAHAHA
I can tell you just listened to karate and gimme chocolate, if you actually did research you’d realise that babymetal is more than japanese girls dancing. A LOT more.
For example?
The first album had extremely good musicians, the people writing their music were excellent, a pity one of them passed away taking the band's music down. I was put away by all the "idol" stuff, the music was what I liked. When I heard "karate" I thought to myself, this is it for me, I'm done.
I've been an anime fan since my childhood, being exposed to that surely made me accept them a bit more easily.
I know Babymetal isn't everyones cup of tea but i enjoy their music a lot.
Kitsune Metal weeb
@@profit_E nah...he just enjoy their music
Finally a normal comment.It's ok to like them.But all I see here is people attacking the guy because he doesn't particularly like Babymetal.Relax boys and girls Babymetal is not the band of the century!!
@@@shadowyashatoura
He is being criticized - rightly so - because (1) he made false assertions about BM, many of which can be so easily verified or validated just by going to tons of online fora about BM and, (2) he used these false or inaccurate claims (lip-synching, BM being nu-metal, etc) to justify his sorryass opinion.
If he had simply said, "I think they are nothing special." without invoking some false rationales for his view, nobody would give a shite. It's a free world. It's like nobody craps on me for not liking Michael Bolton simply because of his pseudo curly mullet.
And we won't be here wasting time..
But I guess that is HIS gimmick. Making ludicrous claims so everyone will waste time refuting his opinion.
Dude, Babymetal sings live when they perform.
And they're still ass.
*laugh react
The Punk Rock MBA guy messaged me to say that "I never said anything about her vocal abilities" so I directed him to his own comments at 11:20 in his own video where he says "I'm pretty sure they lip sync live". Amazing.
Not true. If you ever play an instrument you can easily hear what is live and what is a record and the only time that i saw them here in Chula Vista california they sound like pre recorded at least the guitar and bass
Some of it is definitely a backing track but for the most part they sing live.
Now I'm not gonna roast you, I'm just gonna clarify some stuff.
Babymetal did lip sync during live shows between the years 2011 and 2013 because they were a very new group at the time and had very little known presence. They also did not have any live instruments from 2011 to 2013.
From 2014 onwards tho, babymetal performed everything live, instruments played by the kamiband and lead vocals sung by Su-Metal. I will admit that the two backup singers/dancers did lip sync even beyond 2014 but that's purely down to the sheer amount of choreography. They did have moments tho where the backup vocals/dancers would sing live if the choreography was less intense. Babymetal became popular internationally after their first big performance of doing everything live(vocals and instruments) at sonisphere festival(UK) in 2014, a festival with metalheads waiting for ghost and Iron maiden to perform and babymetal managed to win those people through their music. You have been replying to people saying that babymetal fans are sensitive, but I would think that any fan base would tell someone off, if they heard information about their favorite band that was actually false( ie, you saying that they don't sing or play instruments live). I don't think it helps your case either when someone says that they don't lip sync and then you ask that person, "how do you know", mate, you could just type babymetal live on UA-cam and watch a fan cam of them performing and tell it easily like that. It seemed like in some comments, you were taking the piss or trolling some people.
Now away from the topic of people roasting you:
I don't think babymetal is a gimmick anymore due to the simple case of longevity. In music, the gimmick will attract attention but if the music behind the gimmick isn't good, it won't last long. I got into babymetal due to the fact that they were a genuine band that tried something new and had actual good music to them. Whilst they do have songs which are generic sounding, they do also have very metal songs that have a dark tone to them with deep lyrics and funny enough a happy sounding song about playing hide and seek with a demon. You probably don't like the band which is fine, everyone has their own likings. Cheers👍🏾
Nice, articulate post - I agree with every word! Ten years plus and still going strong!
I really enjoy Babymetal but their Kawaii metal is definitely a gimmick. However, like he said, a gimmick doesn't necessarily mean bad
Seconded!
First of all,babymetal is an idol group,not a band.
Also they actualy don't make those songs,their company buy them from different song producers or pay for a colaboration.
So in other words there is no substance in there,a gimick.
@@errorys4183 Diagree. I guess these guys, some of which are the biggest acts in music history are gimicks also since they didn't write their own songs: Elvis Presley, Elton John, Frank Sinatra, Diana Ross, Whitney Houston, Marvin Gaye, Rihanna and probably 70-80% of Hip Hop and most of Country artists. Do we call an actor who doesn't write the story a gimick? Now I am a musician and songwriter myself but I do understand that how good a song is that I write depends on who is going to perform it. For example, Hurt written by Trent Reznor was a ok song but when performed by Johnny Cash it became a great song. Would it be cooler if BABYMETAL wrote their own songs, yes. But you have to remember we are talking about teenage girls here.
im not baby metal fan but im appreciate their effort and hardwork to entertain their fans.
I don't think he's heard any of Babymetal's songs outside of their MVs/singles. The members that actually play instruments all came from reputable Japanese metal bands.
And their song writers are from noted Japanese and foreign bands. The act is "manufactured" but everyone involved is from legit backgrounds.
I’ll also add the fans of Poppy and Baby Metal are probably not metalheads or metal fans per se. I’ll guess they lean more rock or pop listeners. Also, Kiss were great pop writers. I am not a Kiss fan by any means, but they wrote great pop songs.
V. Paul Janbazian when I saw babymetal in Boston the crowd was pretty evenly split between metal fans and Japanese people/weebs
noideac interesting. I would have totally guessed it would be more j pop kids.
Akuma Tokkou interesting
the baby metal musicians are pretty damn good...listen to those drums and the guitar work is impressive...
You said you are "pretty sure" Babymetal lip syncs, but based on what? Not live footage, obviously. You said they sound "djenty", and yes they have songs that do--but one of the great, but possibly divisive, things about this band is that they really pay homage to many sub-genres: power metal, pagan metal, prog, and so much more. I've seen them live and the Kami band is so good to pull off all of these sub-genres in one show--very versatile musicians. But saying they're just a djenty band who lip syncs show you probably watched the music videos for 'Karate' and 'Gimme Chocolate' and that's it. They are definitely not a band for everybody; I have played them for many people with great taste in music and had them tell me BM is too weird for them. But if you're going to make a video this long "explaining" what Babymetal tells us about the metal community, spend more time actually listening them to them.
when Babymetal was first created, the lead Su-metal was 12. now she’s 22. listening to ANY of Babymetal’s live performances from the last 2 years shows that Su is a powerhouse of a vocalist and she has grown into her voice marvelously. she does not sound like the same j-pop vocalist she was a decade ago. their new album metal galaxy shows Su and Babymetal’s evolution away from j-pop and experimentation with other metal genres and other music genres in general. even listening to Babymetal perform their old songs live now, it’s clear they’ve changed. songs like doki doki morning, ijime dame zettai, and even karate sound totally different now, Su no longer sounds like a young j-pop vocalist. taking personal taste for the music out of it, I’m extremely disappointed in how short you sold Babymetal and Su. in a video where you were supposed to explain the success of the group, you failed to show the talent they truly possess in favor of writing them off as “standard j-pop vocals.”
Yeah and think of how degenerate you had to be to like them then, just because the girls have aged a bit doesn't make it any less creepy.
@@Underleaf76 Since is when listening to a child singing creepy? That's some childish logic at work...
I like babymetal :)
I've been a metal fan for 30 years and yes the "gimmick" of babymetal caught my attention, but it was the band and the range of their performances that held it. The girls can't be matched for pure energy on stage and their gimmick is basically that they are young girls in what is seen as a hairy metalers world. Their songs range from Karate, the example given, to the Road of resistance, from No rain, no rainbow to BMC, the difference of styles is just mind-boggling. I completely disagree with the summary here. I would class BM as entertainers, but not in sense of this video. Most bands aim to entertain, BM has just found a way that appeals to aging metal heads and to 6 year olds.
How many other bands produce a song like "night night burn!" - a jpop\metal\latin fusion? Their range has improved since their early says, but an album like Metal Galaxy is so varied from song to song it is mind boggling and amazing. Each song is so different than the next while incorporating different styles from around the world. Latin, pop, irish\celtic, japanese, thai, electronic influences throughout. It's remarkable.
I love babymetal saw them in San Diego (yui's 18th birthday),ive always thought of them as performance art,so!
Didn't they tour with Rob Zombie? IIRC Rob shut down one of their haters on twitter pretty hard.
@@adamklugiewicz5512 That's actually how I discovered Babymetal. I saw it shared on Facebook and looked into them. Thank you, Rob Zombie! lmao
I first heard of them a few years ago. I was taken with how cute, and high energy there showmanship is. I thought the band was pretty good and the lead singer had a good voice. After a bit I moved on. I guess they are way to theatrical for me, and I'm just stuck in the 80s and 90s.
However I dont' think this Poppy, or Baby Metal represent metal, or are the new way of metal. They are their own thing, using different styles. Then again, I don't know any of the bands mentioned here other than Guar, and ICP. Guar is an absurd joke band that does their thing and has fun. ICP, well I don't give a fuck.
BABYMETAL not lip-synced at the live ! Live is better than CD !
Personally, I HIGHLY disagree about Babymetal, they're very musically diverse, the musicians are great, and Suzuka is extremely talented. I agree that there is probably a heavy reliance on the kawaii gimmick, but they're putting out real music and doing it extremely well. Not to mention they've been at it for a decade now and only getting bigger, drawing huge crowds, and climbing the charts everywhere with every release. And also apparently you said she lip syncs, I didn't catch that, but she absolutely does not. Perhaps very early on, but look at any live performance after like 2012 or so, you can tell her voice has matured, and there's one performance of karate I remember where you can hear her voice quiver slightly as she's jumping. I'm sorry but that's absolute bullshit. Still a fan of the channel overall, just think you got that one objectively wrong. I feel like you only listened to the 2 songs shown in the video, and we can agree to disagree about the music itself, but some things said here are factual errors outright.
It's the same gimmick they use in Japan to sell records to all the manchildren and Otaku's there, just straight perv logic. Think of how degenerate you had to be to like them then, just because the girls have aged a bit doesn't make it any less creepy.
@@Underleaf76 Dude maybe you should find something better to do with your time than trolling this comment section.
@@Underleaf76 From my experience the ones that say this are the real pedos! Do you have something to tell us?
@@Underleaf76 you're logic is nasty and questionable.
@@Underleaf76 so the people who enjoy their music are pedos, but the people who say that they're being sexualized (which I don't even see, they barely show any skin and don't do anything sexual ever) aren't?
Dude, Babymetal has been around for nearly a decade. I wouldn't call that a "quick' rise to popularity. You need to do more research.
May he didn't do a REAL research, just watch one or two mv of bm and read some topics of them on Wikipedia :/
I think he was referring to the fact that they seemingly came onto the scene out of no where. And to be fair I think that’s a correct statement. I had no clue who they were until just a few years ago. They’re not my style but I can respect the grind for sure. Glad to see metal music getting attention on their level.
yeah and it’s a duo now:(
BM did came out of nowhere and got HUGE thanks to React videos and things like that. But the first album is really good. I didn't like the 2nd one
@@jankjaws9815 This is it exactly!
The thing I like about babymetal is that they represent all the stuff metal fans say they dislike, yet I can't help myself but enjoy the songs.
Their magic is that it shouldn't work but it does.
Babymetal don't lipsync live.
They don't write there own songs either.
They clearly did though. Maybe not now but definitely in the past.
@@shaneosullivan4676 that may change though. I know Su has said her lack of experience in the metal scene made her apprehensive about writing "metal lyrics" but they've been doing this awhile so who knows. I also heard that she had significant input in Babymetal's part of Kingslayer.
@@marcwarner5853 when they were younger (I mean, they started in their tween years) all 3 lip synced (is that the past tense of lip sync?). Then Su sang live and Moa and Yui lip synced live. Now, Su, Moa, and whoever is the rotating third all sing live.
Babymetal doesn't lip sync................. Just an fyi. Listen to their live shows. It's pretty easy to tell they're singing. They're just that good you thought they were huh. The band has some of the top performers in Japan also. You have your opinion about their music and that's fine. I disagree. They're one of the few metal bands I even listen to anymore if only because a lot of the metalheads I've met are snobby jerks.
also one thing that must be said in addition to your comment, the people playing the instruments (known as the Kami-band) are absolute beasts in their respective areas, no matter if one likes or dislikes the kawaii part, the kami-band have undeniable talent ^^
This comment section is actually more well researched and informative than the video. There's almost every week something i didn't know about Babymetal in here. Are you really sure Babymetal fans are "toxic" or are you just butt hurt for being so bluntly exposed in great detail on how lazy your research was about the band and stubbornly refuse to make a new video with the accurate/updated facts about the band. All the basic (and non basic too) information/links you need for such task are already here.
Babymetal don't lip sync (although they might have in the beginning), Suzuka is a really good singer. *angry Babymetal fan noises*
MarinZ, Drinker Of Beer fuck yeah BABYMETAL is number 2 in my top ten list in front SLAYER but behind METALLICA
I don't even like baby metal but I could tell he was Givin em undeserved crap, and I'm rly not interested in gimmicks but moreso creativity in any form, which can include creative gimmicks. I don't find the BM gimmick terribly creative and it's not rly my kind of music though I recognize the skill, but it's just not for me
All this to say, he's really full of shit here. Most metal fans I've met either like BM for the music with the gimmick just being an attention grabber or agreed with my take on it, both of which disprove his main point. And poppy doesn't even support his point at all as he said her music is just damn good
Torun Smok he is absolutely full of shit. He admitted he doesn’t like them and his descriptions sound like he has heard gimme chocolate, Karate - and nothing else. Rob Zombie said it best about Babymetal “They roll harder than you. These three girls had more energy than 90% of the bands we play with.”
Babymetal - BxMxC. Babymetal - Road of Resistance. Babymetal - Tales of the Destinies.
I’m a huge extreme metal fan. Black metal and death metal primarily. And to me metal is about the music and the show is about the shared experience. When you’re at a show and there is the push and pull of the energy of the crowd and the energy of the band, it’s something metal has more than any other genre.
I also really like BabyMetal and Poppy. Why? Because they are creative as hell. I’m glad to see you giving poppy some props. She’s hugely creative and doing some very cool things.
I do think you’ve sold BabyMetal short though. They have such a die hard fan base not just because of the gimmick, but because they’ve been out there grinding it out for coming up on 10 years now. They’ve opened for major acts like Metallica and Judas Priest and have kept pushing and learning and getting better.
They certainly have a gimmick, but it’s not just the gimmick that have gotten them to where they are. It’s because they are just so damn good. Especially lead vocal Suzuka Nakamoto. Vocally what she is able to do is phenomenal, the control, power, diction, clarity, all of it. She’s a once in a generation talent. Without her, even with the best gimmick, they would have gone nowhere. And yes they absolutely sing everything live. There is a great clip of Su messing up and Moa laughing into a hot mic. Their music videos are often live footage with the album audio overlaid.
I’ve been to two BabyMetal shows and they are like a blowtorch to the face. Just an insane amount of energy. And they are MUCH heavier live than on the album. It’s a straight up in your face metal show. Give em a real chance. They are metal af, just a different spin on it.
You said everything I wanna say. Some of the things he said in this clip made me question how much research he had done on Babymetal.
Agreed. Not familiar with poppy myself, but I enjoy extreme metal in addition to babymetal. I mean, Babymetal is just catchy, good fun, plus it has guitars. But I can't see the image when I'm listening in my car, so the music has to be there. I have stuff on bandcamp that like 13 other people have, and other stuff that have thousands of fans...just has to be good to my ears.
Thank you, I won't have to explain hehe. Just to point out again, Babymetal do sing live and better than studio quality. I cringe when people share false information from Babymetal, they are grinding for near 10 years and they deserve to get the respect they deserved..also I heavily don't agree that their Music is just OK, all are DIVINE!
Well said brother well said the talen and energy babymetal have live is amazing
I think the MBA is misunderstanding or misrepresenting the situation that makes these "gimmicky" bands extremely popular. They pull in non metal fans, or general music fans as well as diehard metal fans. Kind of like a "moderate" or populist in politics.
Of all the songs you pick Karate. Your opinion on Babymetal seems like a movie reviewer who never saw the movie and just based their review on the trailer. Or you hated Babymetal going in. They haven't really done the cute thing since Yui left.
'i have listened to the entire Babymetal discography, seen them live in fifty states, and have all of their body pillows, but you, a mear pion, dare have an opinion on them! This is a transgression my sensi Naruto would never allow!'
He never said he hated them, he literally called them a good band, what has you so upset?
@@cherrypopscile3385 no clue it's been 11 months. But I skimmed through the video and he didn't review karate so I might have accidentally responded to the wrong video. *Scratches his head* your guess is as good as mine.
might as well be demanding an in-depth intellectual review of diarrhea. This abomination is a nuclear-cringe bomb.
I just hate the fact this guy calls himself the Punk Rock MBA but yet does no research on a lot of the bands he talks about. It kills me because he literally talks out of his ass most of the time.
Poppy appears to be the American version of baby metal
lol no xd
Different genres. Have you heard Poppy's album?
Watch the BabyMetal "Gimme Chocolate" performance on The Colbert Show. We can talk after that.
that Song gives people the wrong impression some people only like their more serious songs gimme chocolate isn’t for everyone
Or karate live in download!
Man had tickets for download 2020 😭😭
Somehow, I've never heard of Poppy, and couldn't give a shit less about Babymetal, and you managed to have me watch a 10+ minute video on them.
Most people listen to Babymetal because they have a fetish for Asian girls. The backing band is amazing though. They can play.
Demolition Dude ehh, I think a lot of people like Baby Metal because they’d like j-pop if it had more grit and while metal can be technically proficient most metal musicians can’t write one single pop hook to save their lives. It’s a nice peanut butter and jelly situation,
Babymetal counters the traditional hyper masculine image metal has. I think the reason you call Babymetal fans fetishist (or ten years ago it would have been "ghay") is because you are at some lvl insecure and mysgonistic
@@BigBadBeard-jo4xn that's some real birds of prey logic there.
@@SuperSecretAgentNein Nice peanut butter and jelly situation? Please, just stop...
I'm happy to admit I love a good image-driven band (Ghost and Ice Nine Kills especially). Their shows and music videos are always exciting and fun to watch. Music is entertainment, I don't see any reason not to entertain to the fullest extent. It's even better when there is a strong story element to their image.
Clearly you don’t watch Babymetal live performances... try watch Akatsuki, Rondo of Nightmare, Sis Anger, Road of Resistance etc... watch all of them.... and do your review, again... be prepared... the foxhole is really deep...
I've been tumbling headfirst down the foxhole for a couple months now... there's now going back now 🤘🦊
Bmetal concert is an experience. Not a concert!
Metal's been about gimmicks since Black Sabbath named themselves after a horror movie and wrote lyrics to that theme.
Right? The entire genre of "heavy metal" from the get go was a gimmick to see how much heavier they could make rock, and "metal is heavier than rock." Lol...even in the proto metal days, that's exactly how metal sounds came to be - first The Who thought they could make something truly heavy, and then Paul McCartney was like "well that's not that heavy, check THIS out" *plays open e chugs for all of Helter Skelter*
Misfits and Type-O Negative come to mind, too.
Five years ago, Lady Gaga praised Baby Metal.
"They are so killer.And lead singer can really sing it's very unexpected and the music is authentic I'm a fan"
Yea but they also opened for her Artpop Ball tour so.
@@TECfan1 So she would know lol.
@Archgoat Fan h
babymetal: They don't lip sync, Japan just has a really really high standard for vocal quality and consistency when it comes to idols, but you can hear them fuck up in several live performances, I don't know think they write their own music aside from a few lines here and there, but I honestly never understood that sentiment, unless it's like a really personal and emotional song having it be written by someone else doesn't matter to me. I know for a fact Su loves metal and pays homage to her favorite bands all the time. also all 3 girls can at the very least play guitar, you can find videos of them playing instruments at certain shows.
I enjoyed the video but it feels like your research on babymetal was watching karate and gimme chocolate and then making a video
Just because it has electric guitars doesn't make it metal. It's still disposable pop music.
BABYMETAL latest MVs, like Da Da Dance & Shanti Shanti etc, are studio sound overlay with Live footage, so that can mislead viewers believing the singer lip-sync.
Exactly, I've seen them live and it's very clear that Su does not lip sync at all. Seemed like a pretty bold assumption from Finn here.
I also mentioned to him that he got this one wrong. Seems like the BABYMETAL opinions are very under-researched unfortunately. He obviously doesn’t have a 3-year-old daughter who refuses to listen to anything else.
This is all speculation on my part, but I think Babymetal appeals to girls because they present themselves as feminine but not sexualized. Which is why I cringed a bit at that "harem anime" line. While there are gross neckbeards that fetishize the girls in the band, I see these girls as embracing de-sexualized femininity. Admittedly, it's been a while since I've listened to them, or primarily metal, so I'm not sure how much validity there is to my following statements. My username makes it obvious that I listen to primarily goth music, but I still like a bit of metal.
Based on my observations, there seems to be a bit of a false dichotomy for female-fronted metal bands. They either have to be one of two things, save for an occasional outlier. The first option is to be "one of the guys," which is fine if that's how you naturally are, but that can lead to a toxic "not like the other girls" mentality. One that shuns everything feminine in fear of not being taken seriously, and puts down other girls for enjoying girly things. Again, it's perfectly fine to not enjoy traditionally feminine things, as long as you don't put down other girls in order to elevate yourself as superior.
The second option is to go for sex appeal. I don't think I need to explain that one. You have to be attractive in order for some male metalheads/music producers to even consider you, but the women will often be dismissed anyway by those same people. Going for the metal-queen sex goddess approach can be empowering if the woman in question wants that, but it can be limiting if your only options in order to succeed in metal are to go for sex appeal, or to reject femininity entirely. This is why I think Babymetal appeals to girls with their frilly, modest costumes and love of the cutesy, girly motifs without the oversexualization. The only other examples I can think of that reject that dichotomy are maybe some women in symphonic metal, which often embraces a classic, elegant femininity. Again, this is speculation based on my observations.
I agree with you. I think your observations are very accurate.
Very well said, thank you!
Their outfits they wear on stage aren't just outfits. They incorporate Japanese culture into them as well as other inspirations from history such as Joan of Arc. I think that's fascinating that even their outfits have a story.
I listen to BabyMetal every single day as they're my favorite band next to Fleshgod Apocalypse (which Veronica is a highly underrated singer in the metal scene). Your observations are completely spot on!
Very well said. Totally agree. Women in metal historically seem to be overall be very sexualized or take on many masculine traits. And that’s totally ok if that’s how they choose to present themselves. BabyMetal is all about the power of being feminine without being sexualized and I find that very refreshing.
They aren’t alone though, many of the women in metal are shedding the old tropes and stereotypes and just doing their own thing. And I think it’s great to see metal being a genre of more than just pissed off white guys (meant in a tongue in cheek way) and see it being more representative of a broader audience. Bands like Jinjer and Aephanemer are showing that a female lead doesn’t make it a gimmick.
I am 58 years old and love BabyMetal. I agree with you them being feminine without being sexualized. They can reach all ages.
This is one of the most misinformation spreading and "let's just hate on something that's different because I'm to lazy to do research" videos I've seen in a long time. Taste is taste and subjective and I totally respect that. But you saying they lip sync or everything is just a gimmick is just bullshit. Suzuka, the lead singer of BABYMETAL, never lip synced. Even when she had a playback track in the first few shows with their "mother group" she sang over it. And she was 12/13 at the time and performed in front of 200 people because nobody knew them. There are even videos of her when she was 9 or 10 years old and could sing better then than most other vocalists who sell millions of CDs for years now.
You should do a little research before posting a 15 minute video on a channel with over 200k subs. You could also do some research on their backing band and you'd see that these are some badass musicians who played with Marty Friedman and other big ones. There are even live performances of the Kami Band members together, solo or in other bands on UA-cam, but it seems like you can create videos but not watch them, based on what you're saying. I don't think that guys like Rob Halford (who performed with them and called them the future of metal), Herman Li & Sam Totman (who co-wrote one of their tracks), Corey Taylor (who wanted a cameo of them for his first solo song and even said he's a fan in interviews), Metallica (who openly praised them at the beginning of their careers) and the Red Hot Chili Peppers (who did several shows with them and even played with them on stage), just to name a few, would support them like they do if anything you said is true.
Another thing, everyone who says they are an "idol group" should do some research on what an Idol is first. They are as far removed from the Idol business you can get as a female act in Japan who has roots in J-Pop.
Careful, it appears that just correcting wrong statements with actual facts is being toxic, a simp, butthurt snowflake or whatever lmao
ok she doesn't lip-sync, cool
They're definitely OTM from Aggretsuko, *that's* how idol they are
I don't know if I agree about the gimmick being the reason entirely, even though I'm sure it helps. I heard Babymetal music before I saw anything else about them and I loved it straight away - probably because it feels like a mesh of nu-metal and anime, both of which I enjoy. I saw Poppy here during the Good Things festival. It was so strange. Some songs I thought were great, but others were just way beyond weird and I didn't really get it. I couldn't really decide whether I liked her stuff or not, because the weird didn't sit well. But I'm probably not her target audience.
At Good Things Poppy she was playing some of her old pop songs, but on her new album I Disagree literally every song has strong metal and rock Influence so maybe the songs you liked were the new ones from that album? Anyway if you do ever give her another try I hope you like what you hear :)
it's really sad to see people still thinking that Babymetal is "lip syncing" and "not being independent" just because they're Japanese and Girls. people still think they "don't write and play their own music" it's 2020 dudes babymetal started at 2010 they've proven a lot and they've grown so much. People need to do research first before judging them bro specially you
10 years, and its funny how people still talk about BM like they are a new "Sensation". Any band would kill for a 3 year career let alone 10 eh?
Gacharic Spin, BandMaid, Aldious and a bunch of others are also Japanese and Girls and nobody doubts them. Babymetal is an idol project. They learn the songs they've been handed by hired producers and dance routines they've been trained by hired choeographers. That's it.
@@bennymountain1, not a real band BS. And it is fair to say "was" an idol project. But can you really tell by listening what was done by a "real" band vs a "produced" one? Even the Beatles had a producer and would they have made it big if in 1962 he hadn't insisted they replace their drummer?
If it makes you happy that this or that band is a "real" band, great. But really, that is just more to the point that fans are about image and gimmick.
Metal fans like gimmicks that showcase counter culture. Makes them feel more edgy and different. Its like saying we like conformity that is against regular conformity
Why do you think slipknot got so big
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In my opinion, the whole "metal purist" image is also a gimmick. But I like it all, for the most part.
Metal is not punk and it should not be. If you want to be a pretentious asshole that is what punk is for. I could give two shits if the music is 'manufactured' or not. So what if BABYMETAL doesn't write their own music? That's probably why all their songs are so fucking good. Why doesn't everybody do that if it's so goddamn easy?
@@Jordan-Ramses thing is, none of their songs is good. They're all just Frankenstein's monsters forced into existence through sewing the most average, mind numbingly uninteresting metal and cringy jpop together. Nothing is fun or good about Babymetal.
I ain't a fan of BABYMETAL, but i've been a fan of a lot of japanese artists, and majority of them sing LIVE, like it's not a thing there to constantly lipsync like it is in the west, no matter how megh your vocals are...I have friends who've seen numerous bands and soloists on tours, none of ever mentioned lipsynching, unless it's a TV live or a certain performance that requires a lot of physical energy, but even then, it's live vocals, so i find that statement a bit off.. I know an artist who's a huge pop star in Japan, and is def in one ear, and she's still doing LIVE vocals every concert, with only a few exceptions here and there and her concerts go on for like 3-4hours. They take that stuff seriously there.
Never heard of either both bands until your video and babymetal rocks harder than most bands. They have such an operatic, diverse sound and their music makes you appreciate every members talent and contribution to their music. I've been a slayer and Slipknot fan and I think babymetal deserves more recognition and open arms welcome to the metal / rock scene.
Ironically, "metal purism" is itself an image. And one that a number of metal bands probably rely on every bit as much as the more blatantly image-focused bands like Babymetal and Ghost do. Iced Earth, for example.
I disagree. IMO Iced Earth are just dudes in jeans who like fantasy and heavy metal
@@Kataxu yeah, they're just a dudes with "jeans and fantasy gimmick"
@@ghifari77 Since when do jeans draw attention? Maybe they do in Black Metal, because it contrasts the usual outfits, which is pretty funny in itself. But in Heavy Metal that's pretty normal. I also wouldn't call a specific lyrical theme a gimmick as long as they don't revolve their general style and show around it. Take for example Running Wild and Alestorm. The latter are surely using the pirate theme as a gimmick, but the former only sing about it sometimes without relying on it as a gimmick. That's how I see it at least.
@@Skalarwelle Eskahndor actually, i just half joking half trolling because it's remind me of the "schoolgirl singing about chocolate gimmick" that many people say about babymetal, which is clearly wrong. I also didn't know about iced earth at all.
But, if you want a serious answer, yes jeans draw attention, it gives a "cool dude" image which many people likes. There wouldn't be many jeans product in this world if jeans didn't draw attention. I'm sure there's some bands that wear jeans and etc just to make a "cool dudes" image.
Btw, I don't care about gimmick, and don't want do argue what counts as gimmick. If it is good, then it's good
@@ghifari77 Oh, I see. It's sometimes difficult to recognize this.
In fact, I don't get this whole gimmick thing at all. If I like the music, I listen to it. If not, then I don't. I don't see, what image has to do with that. I would never listen to music, I don't like, just because I think the image is pretty cool.
Saying something is a gimmick, is basically saying nothing at all. You don't like the music and they have an image attached to their music, so to you it's only the image. To others it isn't, because they like the music. It's all about the music one way or another. Some have an image, some don't. It doesn't affect the music at all.
So I guess, we're on the same side with this.
already waiting for the "i was wrong about babymetal" video.
From this guy? Keep dreaming. I agree with your sentiment though, Babymetal are blatantly misperceived and judged much too easily based on their looks and the whole Kawaii Metal label. Just the fact that the guy states they lip sync and that they aren't band, clearly not knowing jack about the Kami Band and who are in that band, and the level of musicianship involved, speaks volumes. He's never going 'get' Babymetal.
@@lewissavaidis But he is wrong... He said they lip sync live (which they don't at all) and has based his entire view on their music off of one or two of their most popular songs, rather than their entire discog which is actually fantastic. He's completely unaware of the Kami band and the fact that they're all legitimate musicians with genuine talent.
@@lewissavaidis No. Claudio and Dutzga are right. Mckenty is wrong. Period.
Except babymetal is weeb trash tho
The Punk Rock MBA guy messaged me to say that "I never said anything about her vocal abilities" so I directed him to his own comments at 11:20 in his own video where he says "I'm pretty sure they lip sync live". Amazing.
Its weird. Poppy's gimmick was being a robot. She dropped that gimmick and she got more popular. Me is confoosian.
She hasn't really dropped it, but it isn't as big of a part of her image anymore.
TheBigWeebInMe: "matching outfits like in a harem anime"?
Is this guy serious about anything he says?
I.fucking.hate.the.
charts.
Had to wait almost 8 minutes until I got a graph. You had me worried it wasn't coming
About Babymetal: everything who comes from Japan have a big chance of sounding like a anime opening just cause we don't usually hear japanese outside anime, and maybe, maybe that's just something of their culture, is pretty strange when you listen to a japanese artist who sounds too much "western" (or american, don't know how u guys from USA call this side of the world).
They like theyr epic powerfull major scales XD
Crossfaith can make your ears melt, despite one of their song made it to an anime Souten no Ken, they even had a MV w/ Austin Carlile in there, and have 1 song w/ Enter Shikari once... .
Check out suspended 4th
It ALL sounds like the shit from the intro of some Japanese fighting game lmao you can't deny that.
Yeah....Check out the band's Evil, Lip Cream, and Gism. Fit this to a T.
The intro music to a mediocre Tales game! LMAO, that so perfectly sums it up.
if you havent listened to I Disagree by poppy you're failing.
15 minutes without proper research ? and claims that BABYMETAL focus only on gimmick and that they lipsync ? so that's the best you can do on doing research facts .... ok.
im surprised that this video is still up...
I've stumbled across this channel during quarantine & majority of the time I'm saying wtf & no one thought that because he has been wrong about so much stuff in videos lol
Idk why, but i've see so far one of punks community always act like that, just talking shit before knowing the Truth first
Why are you surprised? Finn is a goddamn tool that thinks everything he says is absolute facts lol
They sometimes lip sync to be fair tho, especially the backup dancers (Yui (cry in a corner) and Moa)
babymetal was insanely impressive live, just sayin'
A lot of metal is indeed gimmicky as can be, no discussion there.
But claiming pop punk isnt gimmicky or formulaic? C'mon..
Poppy is from Whitman Massachusetts, or originally was. She’s apparently a girl I grew up withs much younger sister. The family is very musically talented. For a small south of Boston town we have had a few famous rock stars, the home of the chocolate chip cookie, and filled with many talented musicians. You have the band cut throat, and 12 cent for punk and hardcore, the rocket gods, the woods. Steve smith of journey, sha na na horn player, a couple olympians, and a couple nfl players.
Babymetal are not a metal "band". They are entertainers like you said. They are musical performers that use metal and idol music in their performances. A metal musical complete with cryptic lore, the best session musicians, and professional choreography. They are their own genre. It's not heavy metal, it's Babymetal. It's its own thing.
Hard tangent but in Japanese "baby metal" and "heavy metal" are pronounced almost the exact same way. Their name is a joke.
@@blickblocks yeah koba-metal explains it, it's written with almost the same characters. Babymetal (ベビーメタル) and heavymetal (ヘビーメタル)
it's melodic death metal with more j-pop style vocals but overall it's very similar to bands like Blood Stain Child, they're not doing anything too wild lol
Fair statement. I love Band-Maid and l like Babymetal. More than enough to pay to see them again. Babymetal is a Vegas style floor show of top quality. Band-Maid is a hard rock band. They wander out on stage, plug into the Marshalls and proceed to melt your face off.
I feel like this dude hasn't listened to any Babymetal song
But why should he...
@@thetreblerebel because its good?
Daryl de Paz I’m saying
@@thetreblerebel Because he is doing a video on them...
I feel like he listens more to the singing rather than the insane technical prowess of Kamiband in the background.
It doesn’t matter how talented a person is it also relies on how confident they are and how good they are in concert
So that's the infamous Baby Metal episode....
I used to be a 'purist' or something and thought gimmicks were stupid, but maybe a year or two ago I realized that all the current metal/rock I had gotten into were Babymetal, Ghost, Behemoth, and Nekrogoblikon. Furthermore, all my metal friends would be banging on about, idk, (I'm struggling to think of examples) Oceano or Glass Cloud, with which I just couldn't be bothered. So I was, like, "huh. turns out gimmicks are awesome. Angst-y teenage me was being a dummy."
I 100% can relate with this comment. I love Nekrogoblikon and Baby Metal, personally
Gimmicks are good. The common misconception is that gimmick means fake, but it doesn't. For example, Babymetal is gimmicky, but all of the members of the band really are being theirselves, just through the expression of a gimmicky "character."
@paula Agreed. I feel like authenticity is a bonus, but if the music is good, it's bringing joy to me, and it's bringing joy to the artists, then authenticity doesn't matter much. I see it as more of a cherry on top. Side note: I'm glad that no one has given the gatekeeping douchebag in this thread attention; to anyone that reads this, please don't respond to him.
Nekrogoblikon needs a gimmick. *rim shot*
BABYMETAL is awesome. Anybody who thinks they aren't great musically hasn't listened to enough of their songs. They can be as technical as anybody when they want to be. They aren't way more popular than Poppy for no reason.
Are they the greatest musicians of all time? No. But they're so much fun and they're plenty good. Their songs are all extremely well written and they perform them fantastically live.
I think he knew a lot about poppy and way too little about babymetal. It looks like he just watched 2 MVs and nothing more lmao
@Jason Vankemseke the thing about babymetal is that their too most famous videos are that formula of "kids doing metal" while all their discography is basically a whole experiment of "what can we do with metal". From that point of view, Babymetal is super interesting and is something that people who only stay on the first layer of the band will always miss
I saw this video and researched babymetal. I liked it. I'll add Babymetal to my rotation.
You're in for a treat mate ;-)
your boyfriend will surely be impressed.
He probably just watched Gimme chocolate and wrote this
He hears one babymetal song and bases a theory??? Do more research!
inie! which covers multiple genres in one song...and he doesn't know that the KAMIBAND (God Band) is made up of musicians who are teachers in the Japanese music scene and are some of the most highly regarded musicians in that scene...he needs to watch some of BOH's Jazz videos...
Lazy. Doesn't know about Suzuka's amazing vocal ability, doesn't know The Kamiband, who are among the greatest musicians in world.
Agreed. The range of that band is amazing and the main singers voice is very on point for that style of music.
Pime TheMan yes, check out babymetal Moscow preview. 2 songs and that crowd is amazing!
It was Babymetal's music that sold me, not their image which only got my attention. You will find that a large percentage of the people who listen to them will say the same thing. I make a living performing music, not being a critic or UA-cam personality. You are prejudice because of your age group that did not grow up with actual singers in heavy/Rock music. They are the most diverse Metal act out there and in the top 10 historically. Name a current band that even tries to cover all the styles that they do effortlessly. It seems like your opinion is questionable at best.
Yeah when he described their sound as "nu-metal gent" I simply smh. Talk about an over-simplification. PRMBA is usually better than that. That's amateurish.
@@Papadoc1981 he's said that he doesn't like or understand the appeal of melodic death metal at all and it's obvious, but at least he doesn't claim to be an expert in it
@@abyssalspecter93 And that's not a problem at all. But I figure since he's gonna comment on BM musically he would have listened to at least one album in full. I'm not saying he didn't but from this clip it seems like he looked at a couple of BM's mvs and that was it.
@@Papadoc1981 I got that impression too, oh well. It's funny because I feel the exact opposite about the two artists, POPPY sounds like a Marilyn Manson ripoff to me and I don't like her sound much, but at least he's very consistent and I was 90% sure what he'd say before I even watched the video.
@@abyssalspecter93 As someone who's been a casual metal fan for at least a decade now I was happy to find this yt channel because I felt it could help educate me more on the genre and find new bands to follow. Then when he finally gets to a band I know a little about he completely drops the ball by putting out false information. So now I have to question if he's done that before in the past with bands he spoke about but didn't really care for musically. Also he liked a comment of someone mocking BM fans. Can't subscribe to this channel. Dude isn't as impartial as he pretends to be.
Everyone is talking about Babymetal, but can we also be angry about him putting Dethklok in the bottom left of his chart? Definitely not "OK" music. He also put Mudvayne below Slipknot, which should be a crime.
Babymetal videos, even the live ones taken from official blu-rays, can appear to be lip-sync'd. That's because they would layer the studio version of the song over the live vocals for the blu-ray. But Su sings live, and it's great. Also, saying Babymetal doesn't play their own instruments? Babymetal consists of the Kami band and the 3 girls. It's not just the girls. And the Kami band certainly plays their instruments live and on the albums. And don't get the Kami band confused with the Baby Bones mime band in some of their live shows. They were used early on when BM was first getting started. Watch the Legend 1997 show. Mime band for first part, then the real Kami band for the 5-song encore.
Kami band isn't a part of Babymetal, and that's the fuck up. They actually should be
I've always felt frustrated trying to start metal bands with people who would become absolutely volatile when you suggest anything that remotely leads to being entertaining or trying to reach for a broader appeal. I never understood why you couldn't have well written music but also have an image or musical qualities that are distinctly non-metal but re-imagined in a metal format.
They probably think of the "purity" of music being about what you hear, but I also think that musicians should also be entertaining. Tech N9ne is one of the most technical rappers out there, but sometimes have stage appearances resembling a red/white/black version of Ghost. He's also a maggot and has a mask made by the same designer who did Slipknot's masks. Hopsin, one of the best modern day lyricists today, used to wear white contacts and in the early days of Funk Volume (R.I.P.; rare to have labels with 100% of rappers being dope), SwizZz had black contacts and Jarren Benton wore shades with one lens missing. It was just fun(ny) to see these.
brucenatelee “One of the best modern lyricists” is a bit of a stretch
"BM lip sinks" damm what research did u do.
Absolutely zero
Su has an incredible singing voice. Thats actually what made me respect them.
surely he only saw the official video of gimme chocolate on the baby metal channel, where the live one was placed along with the studio audio
Syncs* what's that about research?
Pyktis This. All his clips were of Chocolate, ignoring that the girls are much older, the lineup has changed, and that the new music is incredibly different. I had to check the time stamp but nope he just didn’t do research beyond one music video.
I think part of the problem with pop compared to metal is that the music is bland to ok and the images aren't even that distinct. Nicki Minaj and Lady Gaga are the only pop artists that really have distinct images imo. For example, Drake could be easily confused with DJ Kahled in terms of image and music. It baffles me that pop artists with bland images and bland music could be as successful as they are and confusion leads to spite if left unchecked.
Just found babymetal during quarantine and now I'm kind of obsessed, making my way through their catalog. I grew up listening to tool, deftones, lamb of god and the like. Gimmick or not, what I think babymetal does brilliantly is best described as "contrast" or "juxtaposition." A lot of gimmicks metal bands use just match or reinforce the heavy nature of the music, ie scary masks and a super aggressive stage presence. Babymetal uses contrast between the cuteness of the girls singing and dancing with the heavy and dark tones and themes of the oftentimes very technical metal music. Not to mention their energy and theatrics at live events, where each member gives 1,000 percent. Su is a phenomenal vocalist, pop or otherwise, Yui and Moa complement her perfectly, and once they permanently incorporated the insanely talented kamiband (rip mikio 😢) their music, style, and overall talent was just solidified in my humble opinion. Babymetal singlehandedly reinvigorated the metal genre for me, but once again, just my humble opinion. 🤘
Just a minor correction, my last shows in MA were Knocked Loose and Babymetal and I can tell you that they don’t lip sync live.
In MA? What part? I lived up there pretty much my whole life but left a few years ago to escape the brutal winters lol.
I'm pretty sure some of the videos I watched were lip synched. I could be wrong though and either way, I don't really care. It doesn't bother me if they do.
@@ThePunkRockMBA The main vocalist doesn't lip sync, but the two back up dancers do.
@@ThePunkRockMBA at first they didn't do live vocals or even a live band but when they knew they would never gain traction that way in the metal community and put lots of work in to do the vocals live and got a band that can play live. but at the time they did the lip sync and fake band they were also like 12 years old so.
@@ThePunkRockMBA Wow! This the first video I've watched from you that I GENUINELY DISLIKED! I don't know what a Poppy is but BabyMetal are extremely talented! Saying they lip sync is just false!!!!!
This is my first time watching a video of this channel and You sir have an important point there, but this is not an insult at all, although I respect your opinion I must say that I strongly disagree with it, I'm unaware if you have heard more than just the mainstream BABYMETAL's works, but in my opinion the sound that this band has is the best and most refreshing example of what metal music can be when it is worked to evolve and break boundaries while remaining excellent quality music, attached to this I must say that both the vocalists and the instruments preformers of the band are very skilled and they contribute with an enormous effort to make BABYMETAL what it is today.
Indeed, I would also say, what you have largely written also equally applies to the other Japanese hard-rock/metal band of a BM name, Band-Maid.
Babymetal also played at Glastonbury festival in the UK
I went to a babymetal concert a few years ago in Philly and they def did not fake the singing. Sumetal is fantsastic. They might not play their own instruments but the backing band is phenomenal. Do a little more research, homeslice
While I'm still lingering here. In their early career while they did all their small shows in japan they heavily relied on their gimmick. It was still new concept so they DID have a false backing "band" who dressed in a skeleton attire. During this timeline they were for show and so they did not play live music. It's more a Japanese culture thing. Around 2013 the Kami band was formed and their shows became even better.
Babymetal has been around for quite a while... When they started out, most metalheads hated on them for a couple of years. They were kind of an anomaly among Jpop fans until more established metal bands started giving them recognition. They earned their fanbase.
I wasn't aware Poppy did music at all, but I'll be checking it out.
They've been growing their western base since at least 2013. Their performance at Sonisphere showed Babymetal is a great live band.
@@autohmae I do believe two years ago at the Download Festival in the UK, they had the second largest crowd (only Guns N' Roses had more).
@@SuddenReal I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
Babymetal also had Anthony Barone (Shadow of intent, Aegaeon, Beneath the massacre) filling drums in US tour for my understanding that is pretty cool.
Babymetal rules. Say whatever u want to say abt them...I don't care.
Love Babymetal always
About Poppy: her talking videos from a few years ago were pushed by her ex-producer Titanic Sinclair, he tried exactly the same with another female artist (you can look it up, it's messy). After Mars Agro sued them both, Poppy dropped his ass, signed to Sumerian and started putting out heavy music. I think that her videos and her music don't really fit into one narrative
I saw Babymetal at aftershock last year and they killed it. They had more energy on that stage than most of the bands there.
I saw Babymetal for a bit but ducking Ghostemane killed it for me in a good way.
They totally have that Japanese arcade game feel. Just lots of movement and flashing lights
You just saw 2 babymetal songs and got a conclusion. I recommend you to buy or download the Babymetal - Live at Tokyo dome, and watch everything. After that, you'll probably realize that babymetal is one of the best metal groups ever created. 10 years on the road, currently on European tour, rocking every city they pass.
Babymetal Live Tokyo Dome was 🔥
Hell yeah, they lit Brussels on fire last sunday! That was their first time here in Belgium. So glad I was there for it :D
Well just because he only used footage from 1 or 2 songs when discussing the artists in this video, it doesn't mean those two songs are the only ones he has ever listened to.
I do agree with you on Babymetal, but I'll accept his opinion as it is and not assume he doesn't know anything more.
Just got back from London show travelled there ( 500 mile round trip ) twice in last 8 months to see them and there at Download this year so off on my travels again for just 5 to 6 songs it being a festival. 🤘😁🤘
@@sarcasm-83 The fact that he accuses them of lipsyncing because of a few MVs using live footage overlayed with studio music shows he hasn't looked up much about them.
Me reading the comments all The ONE coming together I love u guys ♡
He's lucky that only 10 percent of Babymetal fans have seen this and some won't bother
I really like Poppy, I even enjoy her non-metal music.
I think your logic is sound and makes sense but i think your impression of Babymetal is more than incomplete and therefore the conclusions drift in a wrong direction. I mean, i guess it's completely normal to think after listening to some songs, you kind of know what group this is, but it couldn't be more wrong in BMs case. With the opinions andexplanations you gave you can already tell that you haven't heard most of their songs (especially the heavy ones) and definitely haven't watch any recent stuff. But given that in Poppys case you especially mention her more recent sound change, i don't understand why you haven't taken BM changes into account. They are not the small, cute little girls try metal group from their very early days. With the last album and the tour around it they showed how much they have matured. I really appreciate the effort people make to get to know BM but you really stoped right after the start...
I know right! Can't believe I just wasted 13 min of my time just for him to say he likes Poppy more than BABYMETAL. He says jpop but does he not know they just put out an album out with Indian, rap, latin and even Irish influences. Also they aren't little girls anymore.
I already know why he doesn't like them tho it is because they are "too happy" whereas Poppy is still dark. BM doesn't do "the world sucks" kind of music!
My thoughts exactly, I also took exception to him saying BabyM does not make good music
I expect nothing less nothing more from a punk rocker
David Shryock Metal fans are pathetically pretentious. The type to huff their own farts
@Shin Bakurenoh They use some backing tapes like many bands, but they do not rely on backing tape. Especially for the lead vocals.
好き嫌いは理解できるが公でBMを非難するのは、一度ライブに行ってからにして欲しいでね。
クチパクと決めつけている時点で評論として論外。
まぁ、比較対象になるだけでもBMの存在と活躍が凄いという事ですね。
This entire video is also just an update on the influence of glam on the music industry as a whole, from the early shock rockers, to the theatrics of modern pop music.
BABYMETAL doesn't lip sync
As far as I know with the song writing Yui and Moa wrote Song 4. Other than that, I don't know about the rest.
Babymetal and Poppy are such interesting phenomenons. I definitely agree that metal likes image more than it likes to admit.
Why is babymetal gaining so much attention?
Because they are awesome, as many other metal bands.
The end.
But would they be as popular if they were all 30 yr old men? Doubtful. Like KISS, music was good but when they took off the makeup and toned the stage show way way down the band tanked
@@amberlinmchugh8115 thats a non valid question because the unique thing about Babymetal is the mix between hard metal instruments with high pitch voices. That is what they bring new to the table along with their fun and original melodies.They wouldn´t be as popular with a 30 yr old men because it wouldn´t be Babymetal anymore.
The valid question is if the group would be as popular if they threw out their cute visual concept and the answer is yes, they already did that for a while in 2018 and they still rocked many festivals and people where still pleased with them.
Goddess Su 🤘🦊
Man i thought the same 3 days ago, just listen BM from 2013 until Now, fuck amazing job from the producer, the band, the girls dancing and Susuka dancing and singing rap, metal, pop and more.
Watch their concerts a fucking pleasure from Kamiband, girls and Crowd, all of them become in one.