Huge props to Bioware for actually delaying this confrontation. This confrontation only happens near the end of the game and many people either won't have save backups that far back or won't be willing to replay most of the game. It makes you actually live with your decision.
The only thing I thought they missed out on was having an option where Shepard explains to Wrex that the war has finally broken them. That the years of fighting and making the hard choices made them betray a friend in the name of the greater good. And Wrex seems shocked and saddened by this and his gun lowers as he commiserates with Shepard that even the best leaders can be broken due to loss. And for a while it looks like you're winning him over and everything will work out. It's the power of friendship. Then Shepard asks that Wrex only take vengeance on him/her and not forsake the rest of the galaxy because his friend became a broken person. And Wrex tearfully vows that he'll help Hackett fight off the Reapers. Then he shoots you in the face. It was never a way to diffuse the situation. It was a nonstandard game-over the whole time.
It's also scary how randomly this event happens, I remember getting to the citadel after having completely forgotten about betraying Wrex, and then the door opens and I'm like "Uh oh".
I have never done this but so... it just happens randomly after visiting the citadel a few times right? Or like doing a couple missions and coming back?
"...might have to space this one." Damn, a good friend, a Clan Leader, an absolute boss, and instead of getting a proper burial, they're just going to dump him in space? Insult to injury much.
+Johannes Fritsche _OR_ you can get the support of both races by leaving Wrex alive and delivering the cure. Salarians will be angry at first but after Cerberus raids The Citadel, they'll suddenly be very eager to help. I'm not sure if this depends on whether or not you killed the old council in ME1, though.
@@Xeotroid I know this is 3 years old. but now you dont even need the salarians if you played previous games and have dlcs. you can get max assets with out any main missions
Krogan overpopulation incoming. Morality wise curing the genophage is the right choice, but Is it the best for the galaxy in the long run? I don't think so.
Not necessarily true. It really depends on who is the leader. If Wrex is leading the Krogan, then yes, in the long run it still would pay off. If Wreav was leading the Krogans, no. That would not end well in the long run.
I remember Wrex being so happy after the cure. He called Shepard sister and they were going to sing songs about this. I didn't betray him because this scene is so sad after that rejoicing.
This scene hurts even worse if you picked Kaidan to live in ME1. "What's the matter, Ashley not around to do your dirty work? Oh that's right. You killed her too!"
***** while i do agree with you if we were talking about wrex but if we were talking about wreav then it would be destroyng more than just one species because wreav clearly states his intentions of being a jackass and getting revenge
+Eduardo Núñez Olguín With Wreave they'd be dead anyway. He would immidiatly go to war against a galxy that has been preapered for it and this time it would end the Krogan .
Bailey telling the morgue they'll probably have to just space Wrex is heartbreaking, he deserved better. Glad that I'll probably never see this scene in one of my playthroughs.
Wrex... Big and strong Krogan with a big heart, open mind and a beautiful idealism for the Urdnot and all the other KRogan clans. After a fucked up betrayal by a fucked up renegade asshole Shepard, went down in history as a crazy maniac who went berzerk in the Citadel for no reason(according with the Aliance News). Worst of all... Grave to grieve? Nooo... He was spaced.
What really hurts is when you tell Bailey Wrex just went nuts, and Bailey says it’s because of the genophage. That dismissal of Wrex’s people with an off-hand line about such a terrible thing, the thing which you were supposed to fix, which does end up killing them (shown in the end credits if the genophage isn’t cured, I think).
"Virmire Survivor". I found the line, which goes like this: "What's the matter? Ashley not around to do your dirty work? Oh right, you killed her too! And it's time you found out how that feels!"
I wonder why Shepard doesn't use the plot penetrating rounds more often. They can get past armor, shields and a Krogan Battlemaster's resistance. Where do I get those?
I was reading about this on the Fandom wiki and came to see how it played out. This one hurts. "Everyone is alive except my unborn son!" "It should've been this way back on Virmire! But I made the mistake of trusting you--believing you were my friend! I was a fool!" "I know.... what you... did, Shepard!" This is one reason I can never, no matter how hard I try, play a bad character because I don't want to hurt the feelings of NPCs.
goreycinema It's probably because voices have to come from an actor (usually for long range conversations the actor is hidden inside a wall) and the Shepard who says this and your PC were switched by mistake by the devs
Yeah they have use the same technology software than Valve in their game. When someone speak and the NPC or player character voice is eight there, he or she move his lips. Is effective but in case like this is not. And long range conversation, most of the case used a character behind in somewhere and he is represent in the hologram in base the real hide.
I could never EVER betray Wrex. This would mean I would betray a friend. And I could AND would never betray a friend, even if I'd get help from another for doing this.
What makes this even worse is that to get to this, you would also had to kill Mordin in cold blood to stop him from fixing the sabotage and releasing the cure for te genophage. This version of Shep is a monster.
Nope. By killing wrex and mordin you save billions because the krogan will quickly outnumber and wage war on other species. They nuked the hell out of their own world. Shep sacrifices 2 of his friends for the best outcome.
@ Kickabarrel - actually you can cure the genophage and still get Salarian aid. You need Thane or Kirrahe alive to save the Salarian councillor, and then he will override the Dalatrass and you get the Salarian war assets.
PsyrenXY How the heck do you keep Kirrahe? I thought he inevitably died on Virmire. Or was that him on the Normandy with the other salarians after the mission??
Kaila Young on Virmire you have to disrupt the communications terminal, destroy the satellite uplink tower, destroy the Geth flyers and refueling station, and disable the alarms (not send them to the other side). That will keep Kirrahe and his team alive.
I don't remember all the details lol but all I do remember is that I had Kaidan set the nuke and Ashley went with Kirrahe... and I... saved... KaiOH MY GOSH KIRRAHE IS DEAD
I realized in the "cure the genophage" mission that I would never be able to play as full on renegade for two reasons: I would not be able to betray Wrex or shoot Mordin.
@@DiggitySlice There are two requirements to persuade Mordin not to cure the genophage: first, either Shepard or Ashley must have killed Wrex on Virmire back in ME1, so Wreav becomes the leader of the krogan later. Then, in ME2, Maelon's research data must have been destroyed, which will eventually cause Eve's death in ME3 due to the stress of the cure. With both Wrex and Eve dead, Shepard can Charm or Intimidate Mordin by pointing out that Wreav as sole leader of the krogan would just make things worse if the genophage were cured.
there was one dialogue missing, one where he says something along the lines of "And that was for the bomb! The one you couldn't be bothered to deal with!" he says it if you ignore the bomb mission and it blows up.
Just going through a play through where this happened. Some thoughts. Firstly its super odd no one says anything about it. Except Garrus later. (Wrex's name is added to the casualty list). The announcement you get in the mail says Wrex is a krogan mercenary who attacked an alliance soldier over a gambling debt. Which...sure yeah coverup? But there is a disconnect between that-and one Wrex ought to be a public figure, Wrex himself is mentioned on radio casts as being in charge of the Krogan. Secondly, there are a lot of people on the docks-the cut scene indicates next to nobody is there. Which yeah, plot issues I guess-but people know who Shepard is, and Wrex plays a recording, so...there would be a lot of witnesses who saw what actually happened. The cutscene flat out contradicts this, because then the "krogan mercenary killed over gambling dispute" doesn't hold water. Another issue I have is Wrex asks what Shepard did, despite you know knowing it? There's no difference in your response-not even the renegade option. Somehow Shepard dodges a shotgun blast at point blank range. I guess you could argue Wrex is just devastated and is airing his rage and fury, "I know what you did"-as an expression of his only power over the situation. Which...yeah that's a stunningly powerful line. Still, why even do that? Why not just shoot Shepard then and there without any words? Besides Garrus, no one else mentions it. Not Tali, Liara, or Ashley. No one asks, "what happened?" "what did you do?" Not only is this frustrating due to lack of dialogue, but given EDI makes a point about disobeying orders on moral grounds-it would have been intriguing if someone had actually complained or confronted Shepard about it.
I never saw this series of events. In all of my games, all of my playthroughs, there were two characters whom I NEVER betrayed. Wrex was by far at the top of my list. No matter how bad things got, no matter much the odds were stacked against me; I ALWAYS had Wrex's back, because he ALWAYS HAD MINE!
Idk, I know it’s tough to do but I think if we put aside our own love of wrex this is a stronger narrative point especially for a renegade shep who has been willing to do anything to save the galaxy for 3 games, if this was a long running tv show I’d want this twist it adds drama and consequences
Yeah, but videogames aren't experienced like tv series does, because you yourself provoked this outcome, it really makes me wonder how are they going to do a TV series out of this... Are they going to stick to Paragon Shepard or Renegade Shepard?
@@JustSomeoneWhoLikesBearsif its made into a TV series? I f**King hope not, because the shows has been one disaster after the next, making a mass effect tv series is more like adding it to a rep sheet than doing it justice. But to answer your question, I had an idea, they should do paragon in first, a conflicted Shepard in 2nd, and darth vader Shepard on the 3rd. Same storyline, without the sidequests, try to include sidequest that are important like the earth moon where EDI woke up, and change a bit mass effect 3 storyline, instead of them appearing in missions just as side quest, make shepard go rescue them. And his role, just mash them all together, except engineer and vanguard. And when shepard is angry make him/her explode in rage with overcharged L5 implants, Aria + Jack powers, like aria did in me3 omega dlc. The romance though Tali, for both male and female shep, main heroine should be Liara, but I think Tali would make everyone just dying to see her without mask and her suit, and most will not expect it. I got more but that long enough, what you think?
You killed a friend, a brother, and killed his species. All for what, a few space frogs help with their fleets and scientists. This ain’t worth the sacrifice right there
I just noticed that when the recording says "If I sabotage the cure" (at 0:23), Shepard actually says it, it's lip-synched.You can see her cheeks and jaw moving. :)
Yeah, wow. I remembered the part of ME2 where Chakwas told you that your scars would heal or worsen depending on your state of mind (i.e. Paragon/Renegade), but I had no idea it got THAT bad! You can pay for Chakwas to give you cosmetic surgery to make you look normal if you're a Renegade, which is what I did, and I can see I made a VERY good decision.
I feel worse when Renegade Shepard shoots Mordin on Tuchanka. I mean, this is bad but I feel that betraying Mordin like that is worse. Thinking about it, a renegade shep could end up shooting Wrex, and Mordin, and the Virmire Survivor.
Dear GOD! I feel so bad knowing this is an outcome, i'm going to watch some wrex bro momments now to remember what an amazing friendship my Shepard has with him, and a curing the genophage video
betraying wrex is heartbreaking... "You have been an ally to the krogan, a friend to clan urdnot, and a brother/sister to me. To every child born after this day, the word shepard... Will mean hero!" And after THAT you stab him in the back. Wrex saw you as kin, as his greatest friend and ally... and you repay that by wiping out his people...He wanted to change the krogan, he wanted them to have a future, to be a part of the galaxy again. he was an idealist, a visionary and a diplomat. And how is he treated? His corpse isspaced... after he 'went insane' for 'no reason'. I can NEVER betray wrex.
I actually love the conflict if you betray Wrex. It's very dramatic, and sabotaging the cure is not completely unjustifiable. The majority of Krogan you meet in the ME universe are _not like Wrex_ - he's atypical. Frankly, most of them are brutes that want nothing more than to kill - they don't care who they're working for or why. The Krogan plunged the galaxy into total war once. Can you really be certain they'll never do it again? When the Council races are bloodied and battered after the Reaper War is over, will the Krogan push for war against Wrex's wishes? Wrex isn't omnipotent. And if Wrex and Eve do manage to lead the Krogan in a more peaceful direction, then that's wonderful... but they're not immortal, and how do we know that the Krogan will hold to their philosophy once they're gone? Wrex is completely justified in his desperation to save his people. He is singleminded in his determination. Shepard might believe both Krogan and Salarian support is needed to save Earth and see only one way to get it. It's a battle of wills between two people who absolutely will not back down, and it's inevitable someone's gonna die. It's a very ugly situation but a very compelling one.
There is also alternative dialogues if you destroyed Maelon's Research data and the dialogues depends on weither you apologized for destroying it or not. If you did not apologized: "I should have known not to trust you! The war starts here!" If you apologized: "So your apology for Maelon's data was just another lie?! Well, the war starts here!!"
just imagine this, you are sitting on a couch waiting for a family member to come through too visit then you hear some screaming and gunshot's up top you ask someone what is going on before you see a huge krogan fall through down unto a table breaking it and dying
It hurts extra hard when you tell Bailey he went nuts and Bailey mentions that the Genophage makes them screwy and they snap. Bailey has no idea Shepard betrayed Wrex but he still unknowingly gives you one last reminder that the Krogan are doomed forever because of your actions.
Well, maybe not doomed to extinction. Mordin makes it clear in ME2 that the Genophage isn't a sterility plague; it reduces Krogan fertility to a level that just about allows them to maintain their population. And Mordin actually needed to modify it to compensate for Krogan adaptive evolution reducing it's efficacy. Cure or no cure, the Krogan will eventually overcome the Genophage unless it's modified again.
I’ve always believed that Wrex wants to die here, and is the reasoning for confronting Shepard in front of C-Sec without any Krogan backup. He was too devastated to learn about the betrayal, his people again not having a future, and his efforts having been for nothing
Missed oportunity to add his line about the bomb if you allowed it to explode (that could have been to add the cherry on top of this unfortunate situation if you decide to give your back to the Salarians when Wrex is the Krogan leader).
the played the wrong audio they played the audio of the dalatrass NOT the audio of the Dalatrass actually thanking Shepard for sabotaging the genophage so with what they did shepard could EASILY convince him not too kill her and to stay in the war
Man I could never do that to my boy wrex. Especially after seeing him and the other krogan so excited thinking it was cured then for this to happen later. I wish i could play a renegade run but I don't know how I could it makes me too sad lmao. People say it's the "right" thing but wrex has the power and spirit to change krogan ways. The genophage makes them act the way they do. It's psychological warfare too, not just biological. So curing doesn't necessarily mean endless violent krogan armies destroying the galaxy.
I agree that is the right thing to do, at least for Wrex because of what you said about his potential to bring a brighter future for the Krogan. On the other hand, I do believe it’s “temporarily right” to sabotage if it’s Wreav and Eve’s dead, because he’s the exact opposite of what Wrex can bring both to the Krogan and the galaxy.
The genophage doesn't make them violent, though. They were violent before, hence getting the genophage enacted. You also see it in their biology, where Grunt's "puberty" is him getting excited about murdering people. Seems to be a lot of factors outside just the genophage.
Wrex is smart and pragmatic and has a plan for a Krogan renaissance that doesn't involve violent conquest... but Wrex isn't going to live forever. When he's gone, are the Krogan going to stay true to his vision, or slide back into barbarous violence? Curing the genophage is putting a _lot_ of trust in the Krogan. Remember they plunged the known galaxy into total war before... they could do it again. Hell, it could go wrong sooner rather than later. With the Council races bloodied and battered after the Reaper War, the more aggressive Krogan clans could push for war against Wrex's wishes... and can we be sure he'd be able to stop them?
So many times in mass effect you can get out of confrontations with certain speech checks, hell you can even convince Saren to kill himself if you're good enough. But when Wrex says "words won't cut it this time" that shows you that some real shit is going on here, this isn't Virmire anymore, he isn't your brother anymore.
What's even worse is the symbolism in how easy it was for Shepard to kill Wrex. This pretty much applies only to people on hardcore or insanity. If you're familiar, higher difficulties (abhorrently, in my opinion) give enemies in the game way more health. Entire clips could be spent trying to kill the most basic of enemies. Instead, when Shepard shoots Wrex, he only goes down in less than a clip's worth of ammo; playing into the reality that Shepard didn't just defend themselves from an enemy....but selfishly killed a friend.
Don't really know why anyone would go for Salarian support tbh: Salarians: We have spies! Shepard: Oh like the Asari Commandoes that are doing so well against the un-hackable and fully synthetic Reaper threat? Salarian: Oh...well we have advanced warships! Shepard: Yes like the ones that are torn apart by the Reaper's laser beams? Besides I just found an entire fleet hanging around on a few planets. Do you at least have good ground troops? Salarians: ...we have Krogan-wait...whoops.
For me, the conversations on the ship about this scene triggered sooner than the actual scene. Then, next I visited the Citadel, this triggered as well.
Thanks for posting this so I never have to do it, I think I've done 4 or 5 play throughs of ME3 and I have never not cured the genophage. Krogan are too badass
This scene was even more brutal for me because my female Shepard had a slightly different face from this one but for some reason it looked like mine was smirking after she shot wrex against the glass
Even if I tried a playthrough as full on Renegede I would never be able to betray my favorite character Wrex (if he is still alive) and shoot Mordin in the back.
@@pickledparsleyparty The thing that always turned me off to control/synthesis is that both of those choices are parroted by indoctrinated people. Saren basically pushed for Synthesis throughout mass effect 1, and TIM was trying for Control. It leads me to believe that (whether BW intended this or not) doing anything other than 'destroy' was just playing into the reapers hand. You have to assume they're ok with Saren or TIM winning out over the 'destroy' people, otherwise they wouldn't be indoctrinated. Just my 2 cents.
David Rosensin Dialogue hints at TIM having the right idea all along, just going about it wrong and being indoctrinated in the process. Mind you, it throws this dialogue at you at the very end, which feels kind of cheap, they should’ve foreshadowed it in someway. For all the shit the ending(s) gets, either of the 3 choices have their ups and downs if you think on them too long. My only issue with Destroy is that it’s obviously coded renegade (Control + Synthesis are fairly flexible) because why go through the effort of defending the Geth or even ending a war between the Geth and Quarians (and in turn helping the Quarians prosper much quicker than they would have without the Geth) and then just being like “You actually have to die now, oops.” It makes more sense if you destroyed the Geth in the process.
@@KendylTV I don't know, going about control "right" would probably entail a lot more than just holding two sticks and "controlling" the reaper. Seems suspicious. I agree with the earlier commentor. Both Control and Synthesis both feel like the reapers winning, while claiming you won and are in control. If i was the reapers, that's what i would do. Make the child think they have the controller, meanwhile it's not actually plugged into the console.
For my Shepard it was the Dalatrass who pissed her off. If she'd just said 'if you cure the Genophage, you won't get our support' it would be one thing. But the idea of lying about giving the Krogan hope made her sick. The contempt she had for the Krogan, rather than admitting their mistake and showing a bit of respect. If anything she would have told Wrex straight up it wasn't gonna happen. Disappointed you can't get shot by Wrex though. It's the least Shepard deserves, even if it's non-fatal. That would have been good for otherwise Paragon Shepards. Bearing the wound with dignity or some such iunno.
Played through this scene having NO IDEA how bloody it would get (all I wanted was the Renegade points for an earlier choice).... I was sobbing hard. I **immediately** scummed a save cause I could not live with killing my bro.... NGL I'm still a little traumatized.... Good job Bioware.
The only thing that I find strange about this is how Wrex just blatantly believes the recording of the Dalatrass and Shepard, which IS a recording that happens even if you do save the Krogan. Like... Shepard could just say "She made an offer, and I turned it down". Wrex has no evidence (yet) to go after Shepard like this beyond that recording, so it's odd how he believes his salarian source over Shepard (which, other than Kirrahe or Padok Wiks... would be who?) Also damn, you had to sit through this cutscene several times to get all of these results. I can barely stomach watching it, much less play through it. Never going to betray my Brogan
Such a dumb decision as well. The Krogon are worth WAY more resource wise than the Salarians are. Plus the Turians needed them to fight on Palaven. The Salarians aren't any good for that.
Not really. The Krogan are only good as shock troops for ground combat. Useful in ground battles on invaded planets but not for much else, since they don't even have a fleet. Meanwhile the Salarians have a decent size fleet and the best scientists in the galaxy, which is far more useful to actually winning the war. Of course the paragon option still gets Salarian support later anyway, but if it was a true choice then Salarians would be by far an objectively better one.
I don't know about that, resolution of war are determined by scientific advantages, victory is determined by logistics. You COULD argue that the salarian fleet is far more useful. But over the course of human history, its been proven just how valuable boots on the ground are despite the leaps and bounds we've made in more complex weapon systems.
Krogans are natural born fighters, and most if not all are experienced warriors. In a game of violence and numbers, the krogans will come out as a far more valuable asset, again, not accounting for spaceships.
Wotan Here's the bottom line. Earth needs Palaven's fleet. The Turians won't help Earth unless they get Krogan boots on the ground to help evacuate Palaven and wage ground campaigns against the Reapers. No Krogan means no Turian fleet for Earth, especially once Wrex withdraws his support. Salarians are not suited to wage frontline ground campaigns so they are all but useless in evacuating Palaven and all but useless in frontline combat against the reapers. Their specialty is stealth, surgical strikes, and sabotage, which to quote Matriach Aetheyta is about as useful against the Reapers as "tits on a hanar" Also the Turians don't need the Salarians' ships....they have the largest professional military fleet in the galaxy. What they need is more frontline ground troops. So yes if you were just choosing one over the other, the Salarians may be more useful. But when you consider the needs of the Turian fleet the Krogan are more useful by far.
+Wotan that's what's annoying about Mass Effect, if you choose to be a Renegade you get absolutely shit results, so if you want the best things to happen you end up having to pick Paragon options even if you think the dialogue choice is stupid.
Important note: If you didn't give Wrex a face-high five with the shotgun in ME1, don't sabotage the cure. He will find out. The only way you can do the sabotage is if Wrex died. If you don't, you lose ALL Krogan assets. The end.
Huge props to Bioware for actually delaying this confrontation. This confrontation only happens near the end of the game and many people either won't have save backups that far back or won't be willing to replay most of the game. It makes you actually live with your decision.
I've played through man effect 1-3 so many times and I've just never had the heart to kill or Betray my Krogan bro
Makes sense this takes place after rannoch, since tali can potentially die in that mission. By this point you have killed 3 goated squadmates.
The only thing I thought they missed out on was having an option where Shepard explains to Wrex that the war has finally broken them. That the years of fighting and making the hard choices made them betray a friend in the name of the greater good. And Wrex seems shocked and saddened by this and his gun lowers as he commiserates with Shepard that even the best leaders can be broken due to loss. And for a while it looks like you're winning him over and everything will work out. It's the power of friendship. Then Shepard asks that Wrex only take vengeance on him/her and not forsake the rest of the galaxy because his friend became a broken person. And Wrex tearfully vows that he'll help Hackett fight off the Reapers. Then he shoots you in the face.
It was never a way to diffuse the situation. It was a nonstandard game-over the whole time.
It's also scary how randomly this event happens,
I remember getting to the citadel after having completely forgotten about betraying Wrex, and then the door opens and I'm like "Uh oh".
I have never done this but so... it just happens randomly after visiting the citadel a few times right? Or like doing a couple missions and coming back?
@@AngelWOLF239 it’s right after you meet up with the Asari Councilor after Rannoch.
@@beaugalaz963 Ohh ok.
How dare you betray your brother
"...might have to space this one."
Damn, a good friend, a Clan Leader, an absolute boss, and instead of getting a proper burial, they're just going to dump him in space? Insult to injury much.
he tried to kill an alliance commander...
Lane Green I know, but Shepard could have said otherwise.
I'm pretty sure that if it had been space outside that window, everyone would have died as well. The Citadel is more than a space station.
On virmire I just let the Salerians dump his body in the swamps.
well, look in Alien how they spaced Kane. Still gave him a proper memorial, I suppose, or at least a chance for one
B..but... I saved your armor bro!
That’s an interesting feature they added but still don’t sit right with me
666 likes as I see it. Perfection.
This fucking game. I can so feel the bitterness and betrayal in Wrex's voice that it makes me feel so bad. I could never do this to him.
Same
GhostRavenFIN I have replayed it so many times and still haven't
lol too bad I already killed him on virmire :D
Same here. It breaks my heart when I hear Wrex roars in anger and despair.
@@MrPsych77 yup. Can't go through the renegade play through. My morality gets the best of me
"Everyone except my unborn son!" Damn, that one hurt
Yeah that does. Practically by doing this you are killing millions of children
@@siegwardofcatarina100
The same argument could be said about abortion.
@@knightofliberty9297 yes but the person decided to abort not this
@@siegwardofcatarina100 Exactly. It's more like forced sterilization
@@siegwardofcatarina100 what about the situarion where one parent wants to abort and the other doesn't? Still a very fucked up situation.
Dodging Wrex's shot should have been an interrupt. If you didn't take it, you would get a non-standard game over.
That would have been epic.
+Johannes Fritsche _OR_ you can get the support of both races by leaving Wrex alive and delivering the cure. Salarians will be angry at first but after Cerberus raids The Citadel, they'll suddenly be very eager to help. I'm not sure if this depends on whether or not you killed the old council in ME1, though.
And right
@@Xeotroid It won't be possible because the Shroud gets destroyed due to a battle between Kalros and a Reaper, plus STG sabotage
@@Xeotroid I know this is 3 years old.
but now you dont even need the salarians
if you played previous games and have dlcs.
you can get max assets with out any main missions
@@Xeotroid but the way I see it if you killed wrex on 1 then you might as well get rid of the cure wrev is a idiot
I'm so glad I decided to actually cure the genophage when I played this. I know Wrex is just a fictional character, but I couldn't hurt him like this
Same
+Infinexos Covica I am with you on that. I am playing this game mostly renegade but I could never do this to wrex.
but the salarians are good at science and stealth infitrations
Krogan overpopulation incoming. Morality wise curing the genophage is the right choice, but Is it the best for the galaxy in the long run? I don't think so.
Not necessarily true. It really depends on who is the leader. If Wrex is leading the Krogan, then yes, in the long run it still would pay off. If Wreav was leading the Krogans, no. That would not end well in the long run.
Shepard: Wrex.
Wrex: Shepard.
Shepard: ...
Wrex: I know what yo...
Shepard: I should go.
We'll bang okay?
💀💀💀💀💀
Wrex: No this time, Shepard.
Does Shepard really sound like this? He is more confident. Like "That's all for now". He finishes conversations on his own terms
I remember Wrex being so happy after the cure. He called Shepard sister and they were going to sing songs about this. I didn't betray him because this scene is so sad after that rejoicing.
This scene hurts even worse if you picked Kaidan to live in ME1. "What's the matter, Ashley not around to do your dirty work? Oh that's right. You killed her too!"
I had no idea he said that!
I guess that make sense since i'm pretty sure Ashley tries to kill Wrex on Virmire if you gave her the order to do so.
Kaidan has always been a piece of shit. Talks back. Glad I off’d him in ME3
oh jesus. that hurts
yeah, she's the one who kills him if Shepard (the player) either can't convince him to stand down or kill him yourself@@redse_
Shepard: Everyone is still alive.
Wrex: Everyone except my unborn son!
Me: Right in the feels. Goddamnit.
"Does this unit have a soul?" That gets me every time. Fuck you Bioware, indeed.
I don't know. Soon, hopefully. I don't know if there's actually a release date yet.
Grievous MacAdam I 've saw a video of the developers saying that they are developing ME 4 for the new generation.But there is no release data yet.
Jake O'Shea You can shoot Mordin, Kill Wrex, Watch Legion die, Watch Tali commit Suicide, meanwhile Garrus is still calibrating
little did he know he would have hundreds of kids
To get this you don't just betray Wrex but Mordin as well. To me no fleet is worth betraying 2 good friends.
Actually if wrex died in ME1 you only betray wreav since mordin agrees with you
If eve also dies
+joao neto and destroy an entire species.
***** while i do agree with you if we were talking about wrex but if we were talking about wreav then it would be destroyng more than just one species because wreav clearly states his intentions of being a jackass and getting revenge
+Eduardo Núñez Olguín With Wreave they'd be dead anyway. He would immidiatly go to war against a galxy that has been preapered for it and this time it would end the Krogan .
Bailey telling the morgue they'll probably have to just space Wrex is heartbreaking, he deserved better. Glad that I'll probably never see this scene in one of my playthroughs.
Wrex... Big and strong Krogan with a big heart, open mind and a
beautiful idealism for the Urdnot and all the other KRogan clans. After a
fucked up betrayal by a fucked up renegade asshole Shepard, went down in
history as a crazy maniac who went berzerk in the Citadel for no reason(according with
the Aliance News). Worst of all... Grave to grieve? Nooo... He was
spaced.
sounds like an episode of Game of Thrones
Obviously the worst time-line possible.
0:23 Shepard is animated to speak the recorded dialogue.
I could imagine her thinking back to what she said and subconsciously mouthing out the words. I've done it sometimes.
Omg yea 😂
What really hurts is when you tell Bailey Wrex just went nuts, and Bailey says it’s because of the genophage. That dismissal of Wrex’s people with an off-hand line about such a terrible thing, the thing which you were supposed to fix, which does end up killing them (shown in the end credits if the genophage isn’t cured, I think).
"Virmire Survivor". I found the line, which goes like this:
"What's the matter? Ashley not around to do your dirty work? Oh right, you killed her too! And it's time you found out how that feels!"
That’s kind of funny considering Ashley can kill Wrex on Virmire
I wonder why Shepard doesn't use the plot penetrating rounds more often. They can get past armor, shields and a Krogan Battlemaster's resistance. Where do I get those?
it would make the Gun play in insanity so fun.
I mean seriously, they might even help against Kai Leng.
>put difficulty to easy
>Krogans die in four shots
>???
>You are a wuss for playing on easy
Put difficulty to narrative. Everything dies in one shot; usually my squaddies kills everyone before I can crack a shot out...
shepard switches the difficulty to narrative during those lol
the salarian help is useless anyways, i could never betray wrex
And Mordin, you gotta shooy him in the back to sabotage the cure
+Infinexos Covica *shoot
so true
actually you don't need to kill Mordin to sabotage the Cure, you just need to use Paragon/Renegade lines.
That only works if Wrex and Eve are dead at that point.
It doesnt matter wheater I'm a good guy or a maniac, I always cure the genophage
Same
Whether paragon or renegade, reapers have never been beaten, why worry about the Krogan in few centuries over getting their help right now?
@@Beerd_Bro with two of the potential endings there really isn't anything to worry about anyway
@@MrPsych77 I mean there's still hundreds of paths to take to those endings, roleplay man.
I was reading about this on the Fandom wiki and came to see how it played out. This one hurts.
"Everyone is alive except my unborn son!"
"It should've been this way back on Virmire! But I made the mistake of trusting you--believing you were my friend! I was a fool!"
"I know.... what you... did, Shepard!"
This is one reason I can never, no matter how hard I try, play a bad character because I don't want to hurt the feelings of NPCs.
True. But if you get pissed off alot in real life. Renegade is much more easier and fun to do. And they're just pixels.
I don't know what's worse, betraying Wrex and letting this unfold, or the fact that they probably space his corpse.
Has anyone noticed that Shepard's mouth moves as the audio log says, "If I sabotage the cure."
goreycinema It's probably because voices have to come from an actor (usually for long range conversations the actor is hidden inside a wall) and the Shepard who says this and your PC were switched by mistake by the devs
CatroiOz
Makes sense.
_Think about it,_
_Commander. The choice is yours._
Yeah they have use the same technology software than Valve in their game. When someone speak and the NPC or player character voice is eight there, he or she move his lips. Is effective but in case like this is not. And long range conversation, most of the case used a character behind in somewhere and he is represent in the hologram in base the real hide.
That's just her mocking Wrex because she's a mega bitch.
I could never EVER betray Wrex. This would mean I would betray a friend. And I could AND would never betray a friend, even if I'd get help from another for doing this.
You deserve to lose in the end
DAMN, so THAT'S what that scene looks like. I could never have done that to Wrex, but I'm glad I got to see it. Because MAN, that is an amazing scene.
What makes this even worse is that to get to this, you would also had to kill Mordin in cold blood to stop him from fixing the sabotage and releasing the cure for te genophage. This version of Shep is a monster.
Nope. By killing wrex and mordin you save billions because the krogan will quickly outnumber and wage war on other species. They nuked the hell out of their own world. Shep sacrifices 2 of his friends for the best outcome.
Poor wrex
Agree...
I betrayed Wrex. I'm a piece of shit.
Yes. Yes u are good sir :P
7 years later, just beat ME3 for the first time. Couldn’t imagine anyone betraying Wrex.
@ Kickabarrel - actually you can cure the genophage and still get Salarian aid. You need Thane or Kirrahe alive to save the Salarian councillor, and then he will override the Dalatrass and you get the Salarian war assets.
+eyraxy98 Thane would have died in a matter of weeks any way, the game made that clear, at least that way he dies like a boss.
PsyrenXY How the heck do you keep Kirrahe? I thought he inevitably died on Virmire. Or was that him on the Normandy with the other salarians after the mission??
Kaila Young on Virmire you have to disrupt the communications terminal, destroy the satellite uplink tower, destroy the Geth flyers and refueling station, and disable the alarms (not send them to the other side). That will keep Kirrahe and his team alive.
Also I think you have to save whoever is at the AA Tower but I’m not 100% sure on that one
I don't remember all the details lol but all I do remember is that I had Kaidan set the nuke and Ashley went with Kirrahe... and I... saved... KaiOH MY GOSH KIRRAHE IS DEAD
My heart hurts by watching this
I realized in the "cure the genophage" mission that I would never be able to play as full on renegade for two reasons: I would not be able to betray Wrex or shoot Mordin.
You can convince Mordin to not cure the genophage so he survives. I'm not sure what the requirements are though.
@@DiggitySlice There are two requirements to persuade Mordin not to cure the genophage: first, either Shepard or Ashley must have killed Wrex on Virmire back in ME1, so Wreav becomes the leader of the krogan later. Then, in ME2, Maelon's research data must have been destroyed, which will eventually cause Eve's death in ME3 due to the stress of the cure. With both Wrex and Eve dead, Shepard can Charm or Intimidate Mordin by pointing out that Wreav as sole leader of the krogan would just make things worse if the genophage were cured.
@@MartialArtsMaster You can just not recruit Wrex if you don't have the stomach to kill him.
there was one dialogue missing, one where he says something along the lines of "And that was for the bomb! The one you couldn't be bothered to deal with!" he says it if you ignore the bomb mission and it blows up.
lol, only Wrex can deny Shepard's paragon/renegade dialogue option. "Words are not gonna cut it this time!"
Just going through a play through where this happened.
Some thoughts.
Firstly its super odd no one says anything about it. Except Garrus later. (Wrex's name is added to the casualty list). The announcement you get in the mail says Wrex is a krogan mercenary who attacked an alliance soldier over a gambling debt. Which...sure yeah coverup? But there is a disconnect between that-and one Wrex ought to be a public figure, Wrex himself is mentioned on radio casts as being in charge of the Krogan. Secondly, there are a lot of people on the docks-the cut scene indicates next to nobody is there. Which yeah, plot issues I guess-but people know who Shepard is, and Wrex plays a recording, so...there would be a lot of witnesses who saw what actually happened. The cutscene flat out contradicts this, because then the "krogan mercenary killed over gambling dispute" doesn't hold water.
Another issue I have is Wrex asks what Shepard did, despite you know knowing it? There's no difference in your response-not even the renegade option. Somehow Shepard dodges a shotgun blast at point blank range. I guess you could argue Wrex is just devastated and is airing his rage and fury, "I know what you did"-as an expression of his only power over the situation. Which...yeah that's a stunningly powerful line. Still, why even do that? Why not just shoot Shepard then and there without any words?
Besides Garrus, no one else mentions it. Not Tali, Liara, or Ashley. No one asks, "what happened?" "what did you do?"
Not only is this frustrating due to lack of dialogue, but given EDI makes a point about disobeying orders on moral grounds-it would have been intriguing if someone had actually complained or confronted Shepard about it.
I never saw this series of events. In all of my games, all of my playthroughs, there were two characters whom I NEVER betrayed. Wrex was by far at the top of my list. No matter how bad things got, no matter much the odds were stacked against me; I ALWAYS had Wrex's back, because he ALWAYS HAD MINE!
Idk, I know it’s tough to do but I think if we put aside our own love of wrex this is a stronger narrative point especially for a renegade shep who has been willing to do anything to save the galaxy for 3 games, if this was a long running tv show I’d want this twist it adds drama and consequences
Yeah, but videogames aren't experienced like tv series does, because you yourself provoked this outcome, it really makes me wonder how are they going to do a TV series out of this... Are they going to stick to Paragon Shepard or Renegade Shepard?
@@JustSomeoneWhoLikesBearsif its made into a TV series? I f**King hope not, because the shows has been one disaster after the next, making a mass effect tv series is more like adding it to a rep sheet than doing it justice.
But to answer your question, I had an idea, they should do paragon in first, a conflicted Shepard in 2nd, and darth vader Shepard on the 3rd. Same storyline, without the sidequests, try to include sidequest that are important like the earth moon where EDI woke up, and change a bit mass effect 3 storyline, instead of them appearing in missions just as side quest, make shepard go rescue them. And his role, just mash them all together, except engineer and vanguard. And when shepard is angry make him/her explode in rage with overcharged L5 implants, Aria + Jack powers, like aria did in me3 omega dlc. The romance though Tali, for both male and female shep, main heroine should be Liara, but I think Tali would make everyone just dying to see her without mask and her suit, and most will not expect it. I got more but that long enough, what you think?
You killed a friend, a brother, and killed his species. All for what, a few space frogs help with their fleets and scientists. This ain’t worth the sacrifice right there
I just noticed that when the recording says "If I sabotage the cure" (at 0:23), Shepard actually says it, it's lip-synched.You can see her cheeks and jaw moving. :)
Yeah, wow. I remembered the part of ME2 where Chakwas told you that your scars would heal or worsen depending on your state of mind (i.e. Paragon/Renegade), but I had no idea it got THAT bad! You can pay for Chakwas to give you cosmetic surgery to make you look normal if you're a Renegade, which is what I did, and I can see I made a VERY good decision.
"Don't you wish Carnifex was at your side?"
:O I legit didn't know this scene even existed.
I feel worse when Renegade Shepard shoots Mordin on Tuchanka. I mean, this is bad but I feel that betraying Mordin like that is worse. Thinking about it, a renegade shep could end up shooting Wrex, and Mordin, and the Virmire Survivor.
Dear GOD! I feel so bad knowing this is an outcome, i'm going to watch some wrex bro momments now to remember what an amazing friendship my Shepard has with him, and a curing the genophage video
Glad I actually cured it. Especially since the salariens end up helping you anyway
betraying wrex is heartbreaking... "You have been an ally to the krogan, a friend to clan urdnot, and a brother/sister to me. To every child born after this day, the word shepard...
Will mean hero!"
And after THAT you stab him in the back. Wrex saw you as kin, as his greatest friend and ally... and you repay that by wiping out his people...He wanted to change the krogan, he wanted them to have a future, to be a part of the galaxy again. he was an idealist, a visionary and a diplomat.
And how is he treated? His corpse isspaced... after he 'went insane' for 'no reason'.
I can NEVER betray wrex.
I actually love the conflict if you betray Wrex. It's very dramatic, and sabotaging the cure is not completely unjustifiable. The majority of Krogan you meet in the ME universe are _not like Wrex_ - he's atypical. Frankly, most of them are brutes that want nothing more than to kill - they don't care who they're working for or why.
The Krogan plunged the galaxy into total war once. Can you really be certain they'll never do it again? When the Council races are bloodied and battered after the Reaper War is over, will the Krogan push for war against Wrex's wishes? Wrex isn't omnipotent. And if Wrex and Eve do manage to lead the Krogan in a more peaceful direction, then that's wonderful... but they're not immortal, and how do we know that the Krogan will hold to their philosophy once they're gone?
Wrex is completely justified in his desperation to save his people. He is singleminded in his determination. Shepard might believe both Krogan and Salarian support is needed to save Earth and see only one way to get it. It's a battle of wills between two people who absolutely will not back down, and it's inevitable someone's gonna die. It's a very ugly situation but a very compelling one.
@@rdrrryou are absolutely right
There is also alternative dialogues if you destroyed Maelon's Research data and the dialogues depends on weither you apologized for destroying it or not.
If you did not apologized: "I should have known not to trust you! The war starts here!"
If you apologized: "So your apology for Maelon's data was just another lie?! Well, the war starts here!!"
just imagine this, you are sitting on a couch waiting for a family member to come through too visit then you hear some screaming and gunshot's up top you ask someone what is going on before you see a huge krogan fall through down unto a table breaking it and dying
It hurts extra hard when you tell Bailey he went nuts and Bailey mentions that the Genophage makes them screwy and they snap. Bailey has no idea Shepard betrayed Wrex but he still unknowingly gives you one last reminder that the Krogan are doomed forever because of your actions.
Well, maybe not doomed to extinction. Mordin makes it clear in ME2 that the Genophage isn't a sterility plague; it reduces Krogan fertility to a level that just about allows them to maintain their population. And Mordin actually needed to modify it to compensate for Krogan adaptive evolution reducing it's efficacy. Cure or no cure, the Krogan will eventually overcome the Genophage unless it's modified again.
you forgot when you ignored cerberus detonated the bomb on tuchunka that one infuriated Wrex even more
Do you get a similar confrontation for Wreav, or does he fall for the deception and that's the be-all and-all?
Randoman590 Wreav doesn't discover the deception, and that's it.
Randoman590
It´s smart how they included the line "Did you think I was as dumb as my brother ".
Nice
Thank you for making this video. I couldnt hurt Wrex like that
Big boi Wrex is best boi, I would never do this to him. Instead I watch vids like this thanks for the upload!
I’ve always believed that Wrex wants to die here, and is the reasoning for confronting Shepard in front of C-Sec without any Krogan backup. He was too devastated to learn about the betrayal, his people again not having a future, and his efforts having been for nothing
Imagine having this happen after the Citadel DLC
My only question with this line of actions. How were they able to kill a Krogan Battlemaster so incredibly easily?
Missed oportunity to add his line about the bomb if you allowed it to explode (that could have been to add the cherry on top of this unfortunate situation if you decide to give your back to the Salarians when Wrex is the Krogan leader).
Aaaand THIS is why im 100% paragon side, this was to painfull to watch, damnit i could feel the intense suffering of my bro wrex
the played the wrong audio they played the audio of the dalatrass NOT the audio of the Dalatrass actually thanking Shepard for sabotaging the genophage so with what they did shepard could EASILY convince him not too kill her and to stay in the war
so unrealistic that Wrex could be killed by 4 pistol shots lol Shepard would be dead in seconds
Man I could never do that to my boy wrex. Especially after seeing him and the other krogan so excited thinking it was cured then for this to happen later. I wish i could play a renegade run but I don't know how I could it makes me too sad lmao. People say it's the "right" thing but wrex has the power and spirit to change krogan ways. The genophage makes them act the way they do. It's psychological warfare too, not just biological. So curing doesn't necessarily mean endless violent krogan armies destroying the galaxy.
I agree that is the right thing to do, at least for Wrex because of what you said about his potential to bring a brighter future for the Krogan.
On the other hand, I do believe it’s “temporarily right” to sabotage if it’s Wreav and Eve’s dead, because he’s the exact opposite of what Wrex can bring both to the Krogan and the galaxy.
The genophage doesn't make them violent, though. They were violent before, hence getting the genophage enacted. You also see it in their biology, where Grunt's "puberty" is him getting excited about murdering people. Seems to be a lot of factors outside just the genophage.
Never knew about this. Even when playing a Renegade Route, I could never betray Wrex.
I don't agree with the Korgans way but I believe in Wrex. I can't understand betraying him.
Wrex is smart and pragmatic and has a plan for a Krogan renaissance that doesn't involve violent conquest... but Wrex isn't going to live forever. When he's gone, are the Krogan going to stay true to his vision, or slide back into barbarous violence? Curing the genophage is putting a _lot_ of trust in the Krogan. Remember they plunged the known galaxy into total war before... they could do it again.
Hell, it could go wrong sooner rather than later. With the Council races bloodied and battered after the Reaper War, the more aggressive Krogan clans could push for war against Wrex's wishes... and can we be sure he'd be able to stop them?
So many times in mass effect you can get out of confrontations with certain speech checks, hell you can even convince Saren to kill himself if you're good enough. But when Wrex says "words won't cut it this time" that shows you that some real shit is going on here, this isn't Virmire anymore, he isn't your brother anymore.
Wrex: Shepard, you sold us out shermhead!
Renegade Shepard: I’m a mothafuckin’ genius!
What's even worse is the symbolism in how easy it was for Shepard to kill Wrex. This pretty much applies only to people on hardcore or insanity. If you're familiar, higher difficulties (abhorrently, in my opinion) give enemies in the game way more health. Entire clips could be spent trying to kill the most basic of enemies. Instead, when Shepard shoots Wrex, he only goes down in less than a clip's worth of ammo; playing into the reality that Shepard didn't just defend themselves from an enemy....but selfishly killed a friend.
Don't really know why anyone would go for Salarian support tbh:
Salarians: We have spies!
Shepard: Oh like the Asari Commandoes that are doing so well against the un-hackable and fully synthetic Reaper threat?
Salarian: Oh...well we have advanced warships!
Shepard: Yes like the ones that are torn apart by the Reaper's laser beams? Besides I just found an entire fleet hanging around on a few planets. Do you at least have good ground troops?
Salarians: ...we have Krogan-wait...whoops.
Watching this hurts my heart
For me, the conversations on the ship about this scene triggered sooner than the actual scene. Then, next I visited the Citadel, this triggered as well.
Rest in pieces wrex
Thanks for posting this so I never have to do it, I think I've done 4 or 5 play throughs of ME3 and I have never not cured the genophage. Krogan are too badass
This scene was even more brutal for me because my female Shepard had a slightly different face from this one but for some reason it looked like mine was smirking after she shot wrex against the glass
Grunt took shuriken shots point blank and stood there. Wrex died from a few bullets
at 0:20 is shepard moving her mouth as the recording of her says "If i sabotage the cure"?
I thought I was the only one who caught that....the lipsynch matches the recording
Even if I tried a playthrough as full on Renegede I would never be able to betray my favorite character Wrex (if he is still alive) and shoot Mordin in the back.
Best part is that if you choose the synthesis ending the genophage gets cured regardless
Maybe. "See? Everyone's happy!" might be Reaper propaganda.
@@pickledparsleyparty The thing that always turned me off to control/synthesis is that both of those choices are parroted by indoctrinated people. Saren basically pushed for Synthesis throughout mass effect 1, and TIM was trying for Control. It leads me to believe that (whether BW intended this or not) doing anything other than 'destroy' was just playing into the reapers hand. You have to assume they're ok with Saren or TIM winning out over the 'destroy' people, otherwise they wouldn't be indoctrinated. Just my 2 cents.
David Rosensin Dialogue hints at TIM having the right idea all along, just going about it wrong and being indoctrinated in the process. Mind you, it throws this dialogue at you at the very end, which feels kind of cheap, they should’ve foreshadowed it in someway.
For all the shit the ending(s) gets, either of the 3 choices have their ups and downs if you think on them too long. My only issue with Destroy is that it’s obviously coded renegade (Control + Synthesis are fairly flexible) because why go through the effort of defending the Geth or even ending a war between the Geth and Quarians (and in turn helping the Quarians prosper much quicker than they would have without the Geth) and then just being like “You actually have to die now, oops.” It makes more sense if you destroyed the Geth in the process.
@@KendylTV I don't know, going about control "right" would probably entail a lot more than just holding two sticks and "controlling" the reaper. Seems suspicious. I agree with the earlier commentor. Both Control and Synthesis both feel like the reapers winning, while claiming you won and are in control. If i was the reapers, that's what i would do. Make the child think they have the controller, meanwhile it's not actually plugged into the console.
This scene makes me wish one of the options led to Shepard dying and Wrex becoming the player character tbh
Super. Thanks for that, saved a lot time.
thank you i was searching for this
OUCH this actually hurts on soo many levels. Like betraying my own greatest uncle ;n;
For my Shepard it was the Dalatrass who pissed her off. If she'd just said 'if you cure the Genophage, you won't get our support' it would be one thing. But the idea of lying about giving the Krogan hope made her sick. The contempt she had for the Krogan, rather than admitting their mistake and showing a bit of respect.
If anything she would have told Wrex straight up it wasn't gonna happen.
Disappointed you can't get shot by Wrex though. It's the least Shepard deserves, even if it's non-fatal.
That would have been good for otherwise Paragon Shepards. Bearing the wound with dignity or some such iunno.
You know what they say,when you betray a good friend you have to confront him/her in the hard way sometimes
I have never heard someone say this quote tho
And this is why I always moved to cure the genophage. Wrex scares me.
Dont let a krogan bully intimidate you lieutenant
Anyone notice Shepard's mouth moving when her line is heard in the recording? Well done, Shepard.
If Harbinger ever wanted to hurt me, he'd only need to play this clip. :(
Played through this scene having NO IDEA how bloody it would get (all I wanted was the Renegade points for an earlier choice).... I was sobbing hard. I **immediately** scummed a save cause I could not live with killing my bro.... NGL I'm still a little traumatized.... Good job Bioware.
I adore how the paragon/renegade options, the get out of jail free card for this whole franchise, are not enough to fix the mistake you have made.
0:24 Gotta love Shepard's mouth moving even though the audio is supposed to be coming from Wrex's omni-tool.
If you're full-Renegade, then the flawed reconstruction in ME2 will surface once again.
It's only allowed to betray the krogan if wreave is the leader and bakara dies no other way is allowed trust me.
Wrex probably wanted to die here and couldn't bring it in himself himself to kill Shepard.
0:37 message to david zalsav for did to animation #FireDavidZaslav
The only thing that I find strange about this is how Wrex just blatantly believes the recording of the Dalatrass and Shepard, which IS a recording that happens even if you do save the Krogan.
Like... Shepard could just say "She made an offer, and I turned it down". Wrex has no evidence (yet) to go after Shepard like this beyond that recording, so it's odd how he believes his salarian source over Shepard (which, other than Kirrahe or Padok Wiks... would be who?)
Also damn, you had to sit through this cutscene several times to get all of these results. I can barely stomach watching it, much less play through it. Never going to betray my Brogan
There's no better feeling than fooling that dummy Wreav. There's no worse feeling than betraying my bro Wrex.
Such a dumb decision as well. The Krogon are worth WAY more resource wise than the Salarians are. Plus the Turians needed them to fight on Palaven. The Salarians aren't any good for that.
Not really. The Krogan are only good as shock troops for ground combat. Useful in ground battles on invaded planets but not for much else, since they don't even have a fleet.
Meanwhile the Salarians have a decent size fleet and the best scientists in the galaxy, which is far more useful to actually winning the war.
Of course the paragon option still gets Salarian support later anyway, but if it was a true choice then Salarians would be by far an objectively better one.
I don't know about that, resolution of war are determined by scientific advantages, victory is determined by logistics. You COULD argue that the salarian fleet is far more useful. But over the course of human history, its been proven just how valuable boots on the ground are despite the leaps and bounds we've made in more complex weapon systems.
Krogans are natural born fighters, and most if not all are experienced warriors. In a game of violence and numbers, the krogans will come out as a far more valuable asset, again, not accounting for spaceships.
Wotan Here's the bottom line. Earth needs Palaven's fleet. The Turians won't help Earth unless they get Krogan boots on the ground to help evacuate Palaven and wage ground campaigns against the Reapers. No Krogan means no Turian fleet for Earth, especially once Wrex withdraws his support.
Salarians are not suited to wage frontline ground campaigns so they are all but useless in evacuating Palaven and all but useless in frontline combat against the reapers. Their specialty is stealth, surgical strikes, and sabotage, which to quote Matriach Aetheyta is about as useful against the Reapers as "tits on a hanar" Also the Turians don't need the Salarians' ships....they have the largest professional military fleet in the galaxy. What they need is more frontline ground troops.
So yes if you were just choosing one over the other, the Salarians may be more useful. But when you consider the needs of the Turian fleet the Krogan are more useful by far.
+Wotan that's what's annoying about Mass Effect, if you choose to be a Renegade you get absolutely shit results, so if you want the best things to happen you end up having to pick Paragon options even if you think the dialogue choice is stupid.
Important note: If you didn't give Wrex a face-high five with the shotgun in ME1, don't sabotage the cure. He will find out. The only way you can do the sabotage is if Wrex died. If you don't, you lose ALL Krogan assets. The end.
Notice at 0:23 Shepards jaw moves when the audio log is playing.
It's the little things.
wow so many choices but I would never betray wrex like that, it too much. I need him for my citadel party ='(
it would have been sick if Shepard could get shot depending if you chose to shoot Wrex or not
The only scenario in which it’s acceptable to screw over the krogan is if wreav is the leader and eve isn’t there to keep him in check