I love how positive you are and the way you find something good to point out about every single one of them. Honestly, until I saw this video, I didn't think constructive criticism was an actual implementable possibility, rather an absurd oxymoron. However, you demonstrated it perfectly in every aspect. You could have insulted them all the entire time in an attempt to boost yourself up or beatboxing in general, but you took the high road and I commend you for it. Everyone could learn something from you and your demeanor. Breath of fresh air. Truly. Thank you! Keep it up!
I hope you read this man, in regards to what you said about SpencerX drawing attention to the real beatboxers, you are absolutely correct. I am a 26 year old dad of 6 kids and have been in metal bands as a vocalist for years and I did more research after seeing Spencer on TikTok and fell in love with the art form to the point where I mess around with it a bit and am learning steadily, and I now watch videos of upcoming artists and UA-cam clips from the GBB when I get a spare minute. D-Low is definitely my favourite so far, so talented but seems like an amazing genuine person too. Much love to the community.
Really good breakdown, especially about Spencer X. He isn't trying to be the best, just show people something entertaining with the talent he has. It's like getting into a new genre of music after hearing a catchy pop song, it will naturally draw people to the community, and when they see a proper beatboxer, they'll get hooked
Honestly, I first knew beatboxing from spencer and he inspired me to start practicing and then after watching other beatboxers, I discovered that he isnt that good and kinda cringe. But ya he could actually be useful for the beatbox community by making beatbox more popular and making people's lives amazing learning this unique art 🙏🏻
HE SO GOOD. But Im afraid he doesnt practice with a mic. You seen him perform live with a mic? He sounds like he packs power. Hope he works on it he's a fucking beast fundamentally sound and sounds perfected
@@jackdaniels1749 if he competed against people like codfish the battle of throat bass would be nuts! But if he was against people like tomazacre, d low, b art, NaPoM, alem or maybe even river idk if he'd win
Marcuz Is Great His bass is really really really good and his beats are also very nice Spencer X is good but I don't like it when he does bad lip sync and fake sounds😂
28:00 I remember when Beasty perfomed this at LaCup 13 with Alem, BMG and Dawan Player against Russia. Good memories bro :') Thanks for the video Madox, Man of culture!
Marcaaay: insane inward bass Dharni: human echo Hiss: human brass Spencer X: the begginer J-cop: almost like spencer x Berywam: crazy crew Ballistix: alien sound
Honestly, I love them all, but when I stumble across a random video of Marcus Perez, I feel like he puts even pro beatboxers to shame with his cleanness. I really hope to see him enter a competition some day.
18 years ago when I first got acquainted with beatboxing all I picked up was b t k pf ts, dharni and rahzel were the only 2 names alongside of your mother only knew. Spent 2 months on it and left. 18 years later at 34, im an uncle out of arts, and this is the first beatbox video im viewing after all these years. I'm COMPLETELY astounded and floored by the talent and quality of productions today. You talented people are what keeps content real, and talent real, over the smorgasbord of BS on socmed. Keep rockin!
15:58 Brooo I almost forgot you where form germany untill this moment 😂😂 Not only do you have massive beatboxing skills, but you also have awesome English skills 🔥
The effort you put in your videos and your content is amazing bro......I mean the editing is very good your analysis is clear, you put both the points good one and bad one .........but your subs are still low, you are clearly underrated bro............but bro you only have to work and try to bring more variety of content rather than continue analysis videos ................. and as always love your content bro keep smiling keep growing .....Peace :)
I'm just happy that people are spreading the word about beatboxing in every way, shape and form. Yeah, it is incredibly cringe what Spencer X is doing but at least it's shining some light on the beatbox scene and who knows, maybe some of the people watching him watch other beatboxers and become beatboxers themselves.
I'm actually super down for this video. As a non-beatboxer who loves yall's music, ppl like SpencerX are not as complex as SBX artists but if I got as much skill and exposure as him but would also have as much hate, I'd be pretty scared to join the community
Its not like that....spencer x is hated bcuz he lip syncs and uses the same beat always and sbx legends are far better...other than that there is a lot of support and love in bbx community.
@@shandarapisora1545 it's all fake that's why Always the same beat :B *a sound that he chooses* K *a sound that he chooses* AND SOMETIMES IT'S EVEN FAKE AND EDITED If he stops being that fake and unclean and always same beats i low-key support him to be more comfortable and join our sbbx community
Nah, if he wasn't as famous as he is right now he wouldn't have that much hatred. People are just being envious about him being famous because of beatbox while actually just being decent and normal at it.
Marcus Perez was definitely the sole reason why I started beatboxing. Swissfamily just came in my life second. So to think that this man can still wow me after all these years of indulging myself with the top notch beatboxers the world has ever produced is amazing.
@@dynamicking200 Oh you have no Idea. I hold the title for our solo championship here in heaven. Last year I came in second tho. I got beat by Gabriel.
I dont use tiktok and i am not a great spencer fan either but i was introduced to beatboxing by berywam but i learnt my boots and cats from spencer X only and in fact other basic sounds too...
Love your respect for the entertainment beatboxers! SpencerX and Verbalase always made me cringe but I really appreciate your perspective. I just wish people would educate themselves better about beatboxing before thinking Verbalase and SpencerX are totally authentic/world-class beatboxers
@@rubbishyearsago He uses an app that turns single notes into chords and gives him a very autotuney-sound/style. A lot of people think that he's doing that organically (which he admits he doesn't several times). Overall his sounds aren't very clean compared to any competitive beatboxer yet he got viral and I feel like SBX beatboxers deserve more recognition and virality.
me: gets 2 dollars from my parents for some candy or snacks my parents: what are you really gonna use it for me: i will click the join button on madox channel my parents: omg we are so proud we raised a man of culture!
@@Madoxbeatbox I guess the only way left so that I can hear it from you is to kidnap you and force you to say it! Unless you say it now freely.... (And yes that's a threat 😂)
@@Madoxbeatbox omg yes! Im indeed a man of culture. I was born to be proffesional man of culture. People asking me: how can he be so cool and so man of culture?!?! And i just answer: heard of a subscribe button on youtube? They say: yeah wtf its 2020 I answer: heard of madox on youtube? Subrscribe to him right now
I've always wondered if Spencer X was really beatboxing in some of his videos and couldn't find the answer until I found this video which really made me understand thank you very much for this video i understand everything in a different perspective now
appreciate everything you said man, means a lot 🤙🏽
Respect 😎🙏👍
Zeeb
Wassup😎
Legend 🔥
You're still alive?
Are we really men of culture ?? 😱😱😍
Hell yeah !!
Yeah you are❤️
No no men of Toulouse
Men of culture for a life time!
@@Madoxbeatbox yo madox where's the love on berywam's comment 🥺
8:55 Madox's lip roll is so hard 🔥 🔥 🔥
D-Low joined the Game
@@bigsexyyoghurt9785 tomasshzz joined
@@bigsexyyoghurt9785 napom joined the game
@@BsauceyMichael *Liproll sounds intensify*
Waali joined the Game
Thanks for the in depth analysis bro! 🖤
Yooo dharni love you. Can you like my comment? Would mean the world to me
Love you dharni
Yo
No problem bro
Sure thing bro! You are a big inspiration with your new way of producing music. 👌🏻
Marcus Perez’s bass bless my ears
It does tho
He's man of culture
Eargasms everytime
@@Madoxbeatbox thats weird eargasm hahaahaag
@@adrianachecoso8005 You're a man of culture for me with that name
I love how positive you are and the way you find something good to point out about every single one of them. Honestly, until I saw this video, I didn't think constructive criticism was an actual implementable possibility, rather an absurd oxymoron. However, you demonstrated it perfectly in every aspect. You could have insulted them all the entire time in an attempt to boost yourself up or beatboxing in general, but you took the high road and I commend you for it. Everyone could learn something from you and your demeanor. Breath of fresh air. Truly. Thank you! Keep it up!
Me too!!
That
That is special about Madox's videos
This was enlightening bruh!
Aiii man!
Yooooo
Thank you bro! ❤️🤟🏻
YO BRO
@@Madoxbeatbox please react to spongebob vs deadpool cartoon beatbox battles
🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩
Wow I did not know you watch beatboxing
Wassup bro! 🤟🏻
Oh shit I didn't expect it
빅마블 구독자 수 ㅈ되네..
Wth you're not verified?!!
3:06 really gave me goose bumps
Really nice video thank you man.
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This was a brilliant video! Been a huge fan of Marcus since the Vine days.
Subs gang, take Madox to 100k! Lesdodis!
Thanks broski! ❤️❤️❤️
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@@Madoxbeatbox bro pls do a shoutout pls in ure community cause i want to help my family my mother is a farmer pls help
@@Madoxbeatbox I WAS LITERALLY GONNA SAY TO CHECK OUT BEATBOX BD YOOOO
Cool coincidence
@@HansenIntervencion1523 damn beggar
I hope you read this man, in regards to what you said about SpencerX drawing attention to the real beatboxers, you are absolutely correct. I am a 26 year old dad of 6 kids and have been in metal bands as a vocalist for years and I did more research after seeing Spencer on TikTok and fell in love with the art form to the point where I mess around with it a bit and am learning steadily, and I now watch videos of upcoming artists and UA-cam clips from the GBB when I get a spare minute. D-Low is definitely my favourite so far, so talented but seems like an amazing genuine person too. Much love to the community.
Yeah bro it's SpencerX's mistake to not bring audience to the real beatbox scene
Great to see someone saying this coz so many doesn't understand this
Bruh 26 and dad of 6?
@@nosleep7287 I also didn't understood this😂😂😂
26 and dad of 6 kids or 6 year old kid ...??🤨🤔
@@nosleep7287 Weak pullout game
I like how madox uses "Believe me" in the background ❤️
Promotion sneak 100
@@Madoxbeatbox 😂😂
@@Madoxbeatbox sounds good too❤💯
It’s what we tutorialists do in our backgrounds, to avoid copyright strikes 🤣
I just watched a 33 min video without getting bored
🙂 u are better than any UA-camr out there holding tons and millions of subscribers
best compliment of the day. MAN OF CULTURE! Thank you!
@@Madoxbeatbox and what he said is true
@@Madoxbeatbox finally a man of culture 😌
@@ElomoChelo 😁
I truly just realized now that this video have 30min.
Really good breakdown, especially about Spencer X. He isn't trying to be the best, just show people something entertaining with the talent he has. It's like getting into a new genre of music after hearing a catchy pop song, it will naturally draw people to the community, and when they see a proper beatboxer, they'll get hooked
This is great. Constructive criticism for the betterment of the community rather than just negative criticism. Great perspectives :) Madox ftw
MAN OF CULTURE! ❤️
wtf it's just beatbox
@@walidhmd “just” beatbox they say.
@@walidhmdAll ❤
yeah? what are u going to critizies about freaking beatbox?@@roketv2
Q: Should beatboxers and groups like Berywam, Marcus Perez, Hiss or Dharni be bigger than Spencer X?
yes
yes
Yeah that’s true
BIG UP
How is this 9 hours ago hold on what
@@hollow3n929 PREMIERE SQUADDDDD
2:55 has to be the cleanest beat I’ve heard in a while
Madox be judging not only the beatboxing, but the reaction's and comedian level, haha good video bro lmao.
I was actually studying movie directing, so I know a bit about acting. 😁
@@Madoxbeatbox ت..
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Whos watching this in 2021? Marcus is dope, shame he ain't competing.
Yes man marcus is insane
E
Watched in 2020. Watching in 2021. This is one of those videos I keep coming back to and rewatching.
oy selam aleikum mate .. iz Bosne.. didn't know you were into beatbox lol
Hello techutopia. 😁
Honestly, I first knew beatboxing from spencer and he inspired me to start practicing and then after watching other beatboxers, I discovered that he isnt that good and kinda cringe. But ya he could actually be useful for the beatbox community by making beatbox more popular and making people's lives amazing learning this unique art 🙏🏻
The routine by Marcus Perez at 2:52 would have made a GBBB crowd go crazy.
I'd really like to see him doing longer routines.
Not only the routine but the clean sounds and the good timing too
2:53
HE SO GOOD. But Im afraid he doesnt practice with a mic. You seen him perform live with a mic? He sounds like he packs power. Hope he works on it he's a fucking beast fundamentally sound and sounds perfected
@@jackdaniels1749 if he competed against people like codfish the battle of throat bass would be nuts! But if he was against people like tomazacre, d low, b art, NaPoM, alem or maybe even river idk if he'd win
3:06 dude lol
Marcus Perez is Man of Culture, Spencer's not.
Yeahhhhh
Hiss and berywam am I a joke.
69th like 🌚
It's crazy how much he's improved. He was the Spencer X for Vine, and now he's prolly the best non-beatbox community involved beatboxer on Tik-Tok.
@@Helldog6 forreal. I hated Marcus Perez during the vine time bcuz it was Like the Spencer x Shit right now but damn marcus actually is sick af now
11:55 Hiss's mic is doing a mic drop on its own 😂😂😂
Marcuz Is Great
His bass is really really really good and his beats are also very nice
Spencer X is good but I don't like it when he does bad lip sync and fake sounds😂
Why Marcus Perez doesn't partecipate to a GBB??? He's just amazing!! Sick video bro!
Maybe not confident enough? Let‘s support him and motivate him!
@@Madoxbeatbox yeah men in 2015 I saw him and saw his beat box and he's sick🤟🤟🤟🤟
Marcus might really be the best beatboxer around tiktok
28:00 I remember when Beasty perfomed this at LaCup 13 with Alem, BMG and Dawan Player against Russia. Good memories bro :')
Thanks for the video Madox, Man of culture!
Do you know why you remember this? Because you are a MAN OF CULTURE!
Marcus Perez's bass is so clean. Sounds like upgraded KRNFX
You bg music before you analyst i want to cry cause j miss the man of culture❤
You know when the screen appears a kind of flame, madox is super satisfied on any combos, beats, drops, and the structures!
Madox and Hiss are the best tag team in making songs love you both ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Love you Madox!
21:19 Thats our boy H-Has why u didn't recognised him😤😤
😤😤
I recognized him, just didnt name him. I am sorry!
YEAH that's true 😤😤😤
Spencer X: „fakes Beatboxing Routines“
Madox: “I‘m gonna end this mans whole career“
Spencer X: “don‘t worry I‘ll do that myself“
Oh youre the real Friidon!
Hahaha, thats true
@@yogajesaytarigan8380 no
Du bist es ,,1 METER 50“ !!!!!!!
*Proceeds to expose himself*
Marcaaay: insane inward bass
Dharni: human echo
Hiss: human brass
Spencer X: the begginer
J-cop: almost like spencer x
Berywam: crazy crew
Ballistix: alien sound
Sick video ! Didn't except this analysis about spencer x but pretty cool you're encouraging him haha
I get why the actual beatbox community hates Spencer X so much, but Madox is right he just needs some pointers. His videos are cringy
They hate him because he fakes half of his sounds
Lol spencer stan
@@Altruistic_Rush what
SpencerX isbasicslly fake life
He doesn't even improve in fact he is getting worst. The irony is the folks who watch tiktok thinks he is the best🤦♂️
7:53
Spencer: Boots and Cats
Hiss: Bootch and Catch
Spencer: Fake beatboxing
3:06 awesome switch man!
Honestly, I love them all, but when I stumble across a random video of Marcus Perez, I feel like he puts even pro beatboxers to shame with his cleanness. I really hope to see him enter a competition some day.
18 years ago when I first got acquainted with beatboxing all I picked up was b t k pf ts, dharni and rahzel were the only 2 names alongside of your mother only knew. Spent 2 months on it and left. 18 years later at 34, im an uncle out of arts, and this is the first beatbox video im viewing after all these years. I'm COMPLETELY astounded and floored by the talent and quality of productions today.
You talented people are what keeps content real, and talent real, over the smorgasbord of BS on socmed. Keep rockin!
15:58 Brooo I almost forgot you where form germany untill this moment 😂😂 Not only do you have massive beatboxing skills, but you also have awesome English skills 🔥
I never knew but now I know it
Marcus Perez actually got me into beatboxing and for that he will always be favourite beatboxer of all time. I'm speaking about his vine days.
the ending man.. very appreciative madox... appreciative of culture
16:43 Yo i can't with that face😂
Damnn😂😂😂😂
I’m deaddd
Marcus still beatboxing? Damn, I remember him from Vine.
Hahaha.... I know right... That time vine beatboxers were epic.... Marcus.. 80fitz.. Vincent... Khronoz.... and more...
@@jasbil6728 yo what happens to 80fitz and Vincent?, I started beatboxing after heard a lot of their beat
Those are legend
@@skytime9330 🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️...
@@skytime9330 I know right I still want to hear from them
Old schooler too? 🤣💪
Marcus has a great voice and is great too..
2:52 im in love with this
3:08 I can't stop rewatching this combo
SAMEEE
3:06
It’s bc Marcus Perez was here since vine days🤟🏽
Yup🤣
it's also because he enjoys beatboxing and keeps doing it because he loves it, there's a clear difference between him and spencer x
The effort you put in your videos and your content is amazing bro......I mean the editing is very good your analysis is clear, you put both the points good one and bad one .........but your subs are still low, you are clearly underrated bro............but bro you only have to work and try to bring more variety of content rather than continue analysis videos ................. and as always love your content bro keep smiling keep growing .....Peace :)
Thanks for the tips! I definetly will bring more variety to my content! ❤️
Broo marcus Perez is so underrated😳
Very underrated at least in the beatbox scene
@@Madoxbeatbox yeah man, I wish he would do battles and other competitive stuff yeno
3:06 my ears caught on fire cause of how flame it was
No one:
Me when I see couples in the streets:
15:09
3:09 the type of beatbox that your body moves by itself.
Nobody:
Madox slowly turning into an owl 8:45
ooowh
LMFAOO
Lmao
LOOLLL
0:18 - 0:30 THAT SOUND QUALITY 🔥
Finally someone noticed! 😅
I'm just happy that people are spreading the word about beatboxing in every way, shape and form. Yeah, it is incredibly cringe what Spencer X is doing but at least it's shining some light on the beatbox scene and who knows, maybe some of the people watching him watch other beatboxers and become beatboxers themselves.
My 7yr old has been practicing and trying different beats everyday all because he came across Spencer on youtube
9:30 this one give me goosebumps every time!
I'm actually super down for this video. As a non-beatboxer who loves yall's music, ppl like SpencerX are not as complex as SBX artists but if I got as much skill and exposure as him but would also have as much hate, I'd be pretty scared to join the community
Its not like that....spencer x is hated bcuz he lip syncs and uses the same beat always and sbx legends are far better...other than that there is a lot of support and love in bbx community.
Oh ok this somehow makes it more understandable, I'll respect that. Thanks and all love to the community!
@@shandarapisora1545 it's all fake that's why
Always the same beat :B *a sound that he chooses* K *a sound that he chooses*
AND SOMETIMES IT'S EVEN FAKE AND EDITED
If he stops being that fake and unclean and always same beats i low-key support him to be more comfortable and join our sbbx community
Nah, if he wasn't as famous as he is right now he wouldn't have that much hatred. People are just being envious about him being famous because of beatbox while actually just being decent and normal at it.
27:50
*_That's a famous song here in The USA from the early 2000s_* it's called *_Look at me now_** by Chris Brown*
hey we hit the 1 mil mark!
Day 6969696969 of suggesting:
BART VS OSY
This video was unexpectedly good :)
Yeah me too waiting for it
Up
Yup
@@pwfplayz 🤣🤣🤣Its already there and bart got destroyed!!!!
@@pwfplayz i dont see it on the channel but i did remember he analysed it...dont knw what happened to the video now🤨
Marcus Perez was definitely the sole reason why I started beatboxing. Swissfamily just came in my life second. So to think that this man can still wow me after all these years of indulging myself with the top notch beatboxers the world has ever produced is amazing.
Jesus christ is inspired by marcus perez, wow! BTW idk that Jesus Christ beatboxes😆😆
@@dynamicking200 Oh you have no Idea. I hold the title for our solo championship here in heaven. Last year I came in second tho. I got beat by Gabriel.
Thank you for sharing. Amen.
@@PoppaNuge No welcome
@@PoppaNuge Your problem*
I just want to see Marcus on swissbeatbox.
0:24that was sick bro you blew my brain into bits
I dont use tiktok and i am not a great spencer fan either but i was introduced to beatboxing by berywam but i learnt my boots and cats from spencer X only and in fact other basic sounds too...
Isn't boots n cats = Codfish?
@@stradegy3338 ya thats a different thing here i am referring to the B Ts K Ts bbx which is the most basic one
29:25 you're crying sounds like an old man crying 😭😭😭
@Madox
Spencer: lets try bbx - btkt btkt
Marcus: buti buti phmm hmm hmm bmmm hmm
Enjoyed the video man, Keep it up!!
0:49 pls tell me i'm not the only one who loves this laugh
hahahaha.. the way madox imitate spencer x is so funny😂😂
He beatbox
He analyse
But most importantly he’s not cringe
16:31 I CAN’T STOP LAUGHING 😂 BROO
Only Madox can turn our hate and cringe into hope and love.
Madox: I mean He has a very funny content
Also Madox: **dissapointed face**
For a second there, I thought Marcus was one of the Hodge Twins.
Love your respect for the entertainment beatboxers! SpencerX and Verbalase always made me cringe but I really appreciate your perspective. I just wish people would educate themselves better about beatboxing before thinking Verbalase and SpencerX are totally authentic/world-class beatboxers
Why verbalase
@@rubbishyearsago He uses an app that turns single notes into chords and gives him a very autotuney-sound/style. A lot of people think that he's doing that organically (which he admits he doesn't several times). Overall his sounds aren't very clean compared to any competitive beatboxer yet he got viral and I feel like SBX beatboxers deserve more recognition and virality.
@@rubbishyearsago If you're a beatboxer, you'd understand why he's cringe. It's really hard for Non-beatboxers to know what's good beatboxing and not.
me: gets 2 dollars from my parents for some candy or snacks
my parents: what are you really gonna use it for
me: i will click the join button on madox channel
my parents: omg we are so proud we raised a man of culture!
Someone show me a better comment. I will wait.
MAN OF CULTURE!
ESH
ESH
@@Madoxbeatbox I guess the only way left so that I can hear it from you is to kidnap you and force you to say it! Unless you say it now freely.... (And yes that's a threat 😂)
@@Madoxbeatbox omg yes! Im indeed a man of culture. I was born to be proffesional man of culture. People asking me: how can he be so cool and so man of culture?!?!
And i just answer: heard of a subscribe button on youtube?
They say: yeah wtf its 2020
I answer: heard of madox on youtube? Subrscribe to him right now
Dude you are the underground of beatboxing i havr seen your videos here and there its always 🔥🔥🔥
I think madox and colaps has the most quality content....i swear i always wait for Their latest Video ❤️❤️
Ja Mann ich bins 1 deutscher aus Berlin
@@Madoxbeatbox i cant understand what you said brother🙂
He is the number 1 German in Berlin!
@@PoppaNuge hahah no I said "I am one german guy from berlin.“ 😅
@@Madoxbeatbox not in my opinion! ;)
Teacher: What is the definition of quality content and analysis?
Me: Search Madox on YT
Everyone: "PEOPLE OF CULTURE!"
🔥🔥🔥
Madox for this am I a man of culture? Plz reply
Ngl, that was bad lol
Not even funny just cringe
Marcus will forever take the dub for me. Since Vine 😌
Man we really need Marcus in gbb
His beats are so cool❤️❤️🔥🔥
I've always wanted to see marcus at GBB. 2:54 I can imagine BBK's eyes widen at this lol
madox's beatbox in the beginning was FIRE
Marcuz Perez wasn't that bad imo,.
No beatboxer is bad bro.and he ain't gonna roast these guys. He'll just analyze their work anyway
We know bro it bro, coz madox is the man of culture. That's just my opinion 😁
@@justhilal8127 Exactly! Haha
He's not bad at all
Agree
Not often I watch a whole UA-cam video. It's always your content though. So my analysis is you are fire!
I've always wondered if Spencer X was really beatboxing in some of his videos and couldn't find the answer until I found this video which really made me understand thank you very much for this video i understand everything in a different perspective now
16:39 Man I like your face at this part man✌️😂😂😂
"Hiss definitely needs to work on his english"
Ouch hahahahaha
damn, imitating spencer's beat was so cringe but so accurate at the same time
15:40 when you try to convince yourself that your pattern is clean
15:13 LOL GOOSEBUMP 😂😂
Marcus is top. His bass is killer.
"Hiss needs to work on his english skills" got me dying 😂😂
8:38 "trying his best to do a good napom face"
xd
Bro literally everyone you reviewed is here to show you love that’s something I’m not gonna lie