Mr. Weiss, thank you for shedding light on Jerry Nolan, I have to buy your book. As a Musician, historian, and lover of Rock'n'Roll, Jerry's an unsung hero, and a LEGEND. He's the GREATEST Punk Rock drummer, and one of the GREATEST Rock'nRoll drummers ever! He understood how to drum in the groove, and make people move; just like the early drummers of Rocknroll: Little Richard and Buddy Holly's drummers. He played with such attitude and swagger, that was authentic and hard to find. He conveyed himself on some of the most influence RocknRoll albums and songs that changed music: New York Dolls, "Jet Boy", "Trash", Personality Crises". "Chatterbox". LAMF: "Baby Talk", "All by myself", "One Track Mind". The Whores of Babylon. He complimented Johhny Thunders talent, just as Charlie Watts compliments Keith.
I am glad there are still people like urself, who has the knowledge & passion to tell the story of these great influences who are so little spoke about ...
Thank you for the book I couldn't put it down I was born to late to see any of it so thank you. You brought him to life for me. Your appreciation of him is so clear . I believe his drumming was a cut above many if not all of the time and to be honest now . You are right to understand he was a character that doesn't come along very often.
Great upload. I knew Jerry Nolan and met him a few times in London in the mid/late '80s. We met once that he and Johnny Thunders got ripped off, were gear-sick and I scored for them; they were grateful and we became friends. One afternoon in particular, we spent 2 hours in a park, sitting in the sun waiting for the "man" and he told me stories, etc.. I learned a few things from him. He was a great guy and a powerhouse of a drummer, a true rock'n'roller. I haven't read the book yet... Thanks for posting this
I was the tour manager for Levi in the Rockettes in the very Late 70s when Jerry Nolan was the drummer for them. Are used to take him to his methadone program every morning.
Billy Died in '72, then Jerry Joined late '72 then the band recorded their debut album in early/mid '73. Billy was not on the album. Billy however is on some early demo's and also on the London '72 Demo's.
I see, thought the record was out when they went over to England, where BM met his fate. wasn’t the story that some chicks tried to sober him up by pouring coffee down his throat and thus drowning him? Just horrible and sad.
This is a great book!! It's a goddamn shame that bands like Poison, Motley Crue and other bands of that Ilk made $$$$$$$ while John and Jerry had to struggle to survive.
Michael Volgare It is a shame; but it goes hand in hand with heroin addiction. My entire life right now, at fifty two, is still somewhat in chaos. All because of my addiction.
Yep mate Aurthur was so miffed and i dont blame him rip he fkn started it and was a true rock n roll.gentle.giant all those dreadful hair bands that i guiltly loved as a teen and then i found out about the dolls b4 thunders died then everyting changed 4 me till this day😎
@@williekiso3971 That was some of it but the music they were playing just wasn't mainstream yet back when they were doing it. One percent of the population probably new about The Heartbreakers in 1976 while 98% new who Peter Frampton was at the time. In many genres throughout history the originals are often dead before their thing even hits. Not saying it's right, just saying. Yes they were on H but they also never had proper mgmt and marketing.
billy was only in the band for a few months and was a poor drummer. jerry really took the dolls to the next level and they defined their career with him in the band.
I'm at the end of the book, EXCELLENT book, highly recommended, very well researched, I do not know the author. Jerry was a great drummer. I played the Rat, opened for The Real Kids.
Great talk Curt! This Year's Model is the first or second album I ever owned. Had a huge influence on me growing up in Montreal! For some reason I'm only now discovering New York Dolls and Heartbreakers. They really deserve to be in the Hall of Fame
Aunque no estuvieron en el salon de la fama y no llenaron estadios,los dolls son la inspiracion y la influencia de muchos grupos !!!!aguante los dolls from argentina👍
It’s interesting how much he went into the fashion. I always noticed how good Jerry looked. And I wondered was it accident? Do some people just own cooler clothes by chance? I’ve been wearing the same clothes for 20 years literally so I know nada about it. I want to look good like Nolan. I bet you feel like a million bucks
That's a great comment man. Really enjoyed reading it. I was a bit of a musician so always dressed in whatever style we were doing, I wasnt even alive when the Dolls came around, but like you said at the end "I bet you feel like a million bucks". They certainly look like they felt it, right? Love when blokes can see that other blokes look cool and it doesn't turn into jealousy. You just enjoy the view. C'mon though my friend.. You must have a favourite suit? Jerry, or people like him feel as comfortable (even if the shoes hurt.. Lol) because THAT'S who they were. All the best man.
Definitely by design, not by accident my man. "profiling" as Curt said. It's now seen as "posey" to have fashion at the forefront but think of any great music movement.. Last one Im thinking of is early 00ish NYC scene (the strokes et Al) all had a "look" too. I remember playing a small club I was playing lead and singing at the same time and let's just say I had an off night (too much Irish courage) and my rhythm player said to me "if you were an ugly c£&t you'd be fired tonight" 😂
Like the Chet Baker bio in 2002, this immensely enjoyable, well-written book goes deep with no apologies, soft soap or varnish. Until now, I never considered Nolan’s drumming by itself although I’ve been hearing it for decades on Dolls and Thunders records. Here, the Krupa influence is explained with a musician’s insight. One of the best books about rock music out there. Five stars and a quarter gram.
Chet Baker would play to 12 people in my local watering hole a few blocks down here in Amsterdam. After nodding out and forgetting he had a gig Switzerland. Money went up his arm etc
@@AFaceintheCrowd01 I was playing in a band with a Dutch saxophone Jazz Guy named HANS DULFER. And I'm a punk rock 3 chord guitar guy, who can't do jazz. I'm a Johnny Ramone type guy. Hans and Chet knew one another. And then I discovered similarities between the 50's jazz "cats" and the 80's punkers. It was an interesting journey/
Jerry can never be replaced because of his ultra-powerful, unique & perfect drumming style. I went to many Heartbreakers shows, even the early ones at Max's Kansas City with Richard on bass. It really inspired me to start my first band at age 20 named THE THE in 1977 & we certainly got around town playing all the hot venues with the big boys of that era due to strong management by Jane Friedman. Like so many other bands that were inspired by the Dolls & Heartbreakers, it couldn't have happened without Jerry's amazing drumming! Here is a song I wrote for THE THE shortly before our break up, so I released it as a solo artist. ua-cam.com/video/dldNpUbs8zo/v-deo.html
@@dalakerdaniel9240 Howdy my bud! I always *LOVED* Jerry Nolan's style. Hard Rock 'n Roll with a _'swing'_ to it. They say he studied under Gene Krupa. I don't know if that's true. But, I can see an influence there. The moment he joined the Dolls, they started playing more _'in-the-pocket'._ Smoke a bowl for me & I'll smoke a doobie for you! Peace. Stay Healthy! - Dave B.
@@jellobiafra2810 Hey my mate, how is it with you and your family all fine? Tursday my Daughter get's her second Pfizer and we're out of the Lockdown coz School Holidays and now the Eurpean Championship had just started - real football have fun and a nice hello to your wife🍻 How was your sausage day? today I was three hours non stop listening to Flamin Grooves with video only Slow Death ☠️⚽☠️
We now know that the problem of sound quality on L.A.M.F. was entirely a fault in the mastering. Jungle Records has obtained the original master tape and is releasing L.A.M.F. as it should have sounded in '77. BTW, when I played Heartbreakers live at max's kansas city, Volume 2, for Johnny Thunders, he told me, "Finally, somebody gets it right."
Jerry's highly effective drumming kept that lovely Dolls chaos together...... Unlike the majority of drummers , he also was entertaining to watch. Although it's understandable these caricature 80's hair bands had to be mentioned for completist reasons, and the influence the Dolls had.....they far from deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the New York Dolls....dragging the Dolls down to their caricature con level......
*Thank God there's a lot of great live material/bootlegs from Jerry that sound great! From the Heartbreakers to the Idols, the London Cowboys, N.Y. Dolls, etc... And now there's this great L.A.M.F. box-set which is great, finally we can hear the cleaned up (original) L.A.M.F. album from '77, and a lot of demo's, alternative mixes, and the lost '77 mixes. A shame Jerry and Johnny never had the chance to hear all this in their lifetime.. I'm gonna read the book for shure, I'm very curious about Jerry. He's an outstanding drummer, but everybody's focused a lot on Thunders, so I always wondered about Jerry. Great reading, I enjoyed it from beginning to end. THNX! :)*
There are a few excellent remixes of LAMF which are at least to me perfectly satisfactory. Nobody in the band should feel unhappy about the best mixes. 99% of those who had the original version would have listened to the later versions which are very good indeed, so to me for that reason nothing is really lost.
I WAS THE WEST COAST TOUR MANAGER FOR THE ROCKATS IN 1979 WHEN THEY WERE BEING MANAGED BY SEAGAL/SAMUAL MGNT. AND HAD MOVED TO HOLLYWOOD. I DROVE JERRY TO METHADONE TREATMENT EVERY MORNING FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. I SET THOSE PINK DRUMS UP NUMEROUS TIMES. I STILL GET MESSAGES FROM SMUTTY NOW AND THEN. Oh the good old days!
@@phyllismauro8481 Phyllis stien?.................are you still acting like you were the only one that knew Jerry?..........your face book page about Thunders is a fuckin joke no1 can even ask a question its all just arse kissing....glad you never wrote a book ...........at least I hope not god it would be like alice in wonderland
@@phyllismauro8481 You came accross really well in the book if thats you Phyllis Stein....jerrys meal ticket hahaha and have you given his poor wife back the jacket and outher things she sent you?as you denied her entrance to the hospital b4 he died?....lucky you didn't get aids
Artists/entertainers often want to be considered "the original" at what they do. In truth, all borrowed from predecessors. The fact is, those that followed the Dolls did a lot more right than the Dolls did, and a larger audience was there to appreciate them.
Ii once worked for John Holmstrom from Punk Magazine..I helped him with rhe paste ups and mechanicals..Bobbyondon, the famous cartoonist, got me the job
I'm from Detroit (blow the reveille)! *The NYD's became a much tighter band the instant Jerry took the drum stool.* They actually started playing in a _'pocket'_ from time to time. He had a unique _'hard-rock-swing'._ No offense to Billy M. But, it was like night and day. re: _'hair-bands-stealin':_ Just the look. There were the rare, actual songwriting attempts (e.g. 'Talk Dirty To Me' _LoL~°_ ). But, that _'Shangra-La/Stone/MC5/Stooge/thang'_ the Dolls wrote to was *wa-a-ay* above those poodle rockers' pay grade! - Dave B.
I'm a hip hop head cali via Detroit..I remember the dolls/Alice cooper having a fan base in detroit when I was young...Seems like detroit got a thing for rockers in makeup 🤔🤔🤔
@@minorsnow5306 That's funny. Had to have a sense of humor about it in those days (With the likes of Iggy Stooge crawlin' around). _LoL~°_ We welcomed certain bands more than any other city at that time. The Who, Jeff Beck Group, Savoy Brown, J. Geils Band. Say what you will, it was a very cool time. Hey, I'm a 'Detroit-via-Cali'. - Dave B.
I found the book interesting but if you have read anything about the Dolls or NY punk, some passages will be familiar having been covered elsewhere but are used in a creative way here.There was an odd bit about masturbation which recalls Charles Cross telling us what was going through Kurt Cobain's mind in his final moments in his book 'Heavier Than Heaven'. No one can really know..How Weiss was privy to this (assumed) private moment of Nolan's left me scratching my head. BUT there wasnt a book about Jerry Nolan specifically and this filled that void. Overall as a drummer myself I enjoyed the book and am glad it was written.Also, I had no idea about what really caused Jerry's death and was surprised to learn the truth-courtesy of this book . I would recommend checking it out if you are a 70s punk/rock & roll fan.
The Pistols - the band members themselves - chose Chris Thomas for the reasons you cited. Everyone thinks that they were a bunch of chaotic stumblebums. Nuh uh.. They knew what they wanted and they went after it. Fantastic sound.
Jerry had REAL style, he looked equally good in his continental suit and pompadour as he did looking like yer mam on the razzle on the Dolls first LP cover, nah he just had it. Incredible to think just how great The Dolls were, they all had a sense of all style, even Arthur Kane, who kooks like a hairy crab! (y'know they mate by adorning themselves with shiny found objects) Check Jerry's interviews about The Anarchy tour, the way he pinpoints Lydon's camp, counting his change for the bus is bliss: ua-cam.com/video/-gyGJLwjJw4/v-deo.html For a supposedly 'uneducated man, he was very articulate.
Someone at the record co. or studio was a 'tard because normally if you hand the master tapes to a competent mastering studio/engineer, you end up with a releasable product. Or someone was trying to save money, or steal the mastering money, which from reading In Cold Blood, sounds kind of likely. Most albums that go into Sterling Sound for example, in NYC, come out sounding phenomenal. LOL I think somebody wanted to sabotage the Heartbreakers, is what I think.
How's this for a Rock n Roll band lineup Del Shannon-Vocals Poison Ivy-Lead Guitar Malcolm Young-Rythnm Guitar John McVie-Bass Jerry Nolan-Drums Drumming with swing and groove,listen to the máster the Great Aussie Phil Rudd!!
Jerry got to see Eddie Cochran before he died. The mid-late 70's guys couldn't make the transition to the 80's. The Ramones weren't popular until 1992.
My first exposure to the Dolls was on "TopPop" (Dutch "Top of the Pops") ca. 1974-1975. The would air 30 second of each the "TIP 5" contenders after the "Countdown". 30 seconds of Dolls that changed my life. At this point I'm 13 years old wondering what the hell happened to my favorites Alice Cooper, Sweet and Slade. It was just before punk...and disco
No....The Dolls were never managed with strategy....Girls across the US loved them...Otherwize...2 other important seminal bands....Magic Tramps & Jonathan Richman.... ( shared bill w Dolls at Mercer Art Center ) were lending influence to the Punk Scene...in fact personel from Modern Lovers, ended up in Talking Heads...Chris Stein was associated w Magic Tramps.........
"Threw away my ELP , Yes ,King Crimson records" .......not very smart ? .....one can actually dig The Dolls, the first Elvis Costello records etc... *and* pre '71 Yes , ELP and King Crimson..... Actually dig *everything* that's original and delivered with conviction . Even Lydon admitted to be charmed by Van Der Graaf Generator and Hawkwind . To actually mention Quay Lewd wannabees like Mutly Crud and Twisted Pisster in the same breath as The Dolls .........?? Anyway ,....apart for heartland usa , pink wasn't so shocking.....for someone raised on 50's rock'n roll ....whose main ambition was to maybe one day own a pink Cadillac . People weren't so affronted by pink especially since Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd ....? Opiates kill ambition . Jerry (and Johnny) wasn't as lucky as Keith Richards who had someone like Jagger to take the reigns.
The Dolls and Heartbreakers had great influence on other bands, fashion and culture but what kind of influence was that? What was the ethos the Dolls and Heartbreakers were expressing? Narcissism, addiction, depression, self-hate, isolation and emotional suicide are the results of the Dolls/ Heartbreakers lifestyle. Where will idolizing the Dolls / Heartbreakers take you? Do you want those things for yourself?
Yea he's right just went for a listen the drums are dead, sounds like he's hitting pizza boxes, why no reverb on the snare at least? To bad, why do so many New York rockers die of the big C? It could be heavy EMF waves known to do that.
The band had what it took, unfortunately the recording was very poor compared to other albums of that time. Its a good record but its definitely covered in mudd. Sounds muffled. Strange. The songs are so good it still shines though
Flip Flanagan shut up Curt number one did a lot of research years of talking to people And he loved Nolan Curts a great guy Dont make assumptions about people you dont know
Here’s Panama Francis: ua-cam.com/video/1rNQvfBEN64/v-deo.html Yep, I hear it too. 10:58 Nobody ever taught Peter Criss to play the drums. He still hasn’t learned. If Nolan had joined Kiss, or if Criss had been able to learn anything from him, they might’ve made a decent record. But you can’t teach it. You’ve got it or you don’t. Without a competent drummer, they were hopeless. They made a lot of money though. 11:04: The other Dolls were failures. Even Johansen had to turn into a semi-comedy act to make a buck.
I'm glad someone took the time and respect to acknowledge Jerry. I'm going to buy this
bmb6 I hope you did
He worked on it a long time
To get it right talking to countless people too
He wrote a great book.
Im sure Nolan would be pleased
Jerry Nolan is my all time favorite drummer. Rip Jerry, and thank you for the music.
I'm going to get my local bookstore to order this. I'm only 44 but I am heavily influenced by him as a drummer. He was absolutely amazing!
Mr. Weiss, thank you for shedding light on Jerry Nolan, I have to buy your book. As a Musician, historian, and lover of Rock'n'Roll, Jerry's an unsung hero, and a LEGEND. He's the GREATEST Punk Rock drummer, and one of the GREATEST Rock'nRoll drummers ever! He understood how to drum in the groove, and make people move; just like the early drummers of Rocknroll: Little Richard and Buddy Holly's drummers. He played with such attitude and swagger, that was authentic and hard to find. He conveyed himself on some of the most influence RocknRoll albums and songs that changed music: New York Dolls, "Jet Boy", "Trash", Personality Crises". "Chatterbox". LAMF: "Baby Talk", "All by myself", "One Track Mind". The Whores of Babylon. He complimented Johhny Thunders talent, just as Charlie Watts compliments Keith.
I am glad there are still people like urself, who has the knowledge & passion to tell the story of these great influences who are so little spoke about ...
Thank you for the book I couldn't put it down I was born to late to see any of it so thank you. You brought him to life for me. Your appreciation of him is so clear . I believe his drumming was a cut above many if not all of the time and to be honest now . You are right to understand he was a character that doesn't come along very often.
I just finished the book last nite..wow..what a ride..what a life...Enjoyed it.
Fantastic book Curt, I really enjoyed it. Thank you for keeping these guys in print.
Great upload. I knew Jerry Nolan and met him a few times in London in the mid/late '80s. We met once that he and Johnny Thunders got ripped off, were gear-sick and I scored for them; they were grateful and we became friends. One afternoon in particular, we spent 2 hours in a park, sitting in the sun waiting for the "man" and he told me stories, etc.. I learned a few things from him. He was a great guy and a powerhouse of a drummer, a true rock'n'roller. I haven't read the book yet... Thanks for posting this
I remember I got the cassette of the Dolls first album and was just a kid but I was way ahead of everyone I knew musically and style wise
I could listen to and read about this kind of stuff all day.
'One of the finest drummers to grace rock & roll' BP Fallon
I was the tour manager for Levi in the Rockettes in the very Late 70s when Jerry Nolan was the drummer for them. Are used to take him to his methadone program every morning.
Holy shit. Thats amazing.
I bet you have some great memories and wonderful stories....Do Tell...
That's the best you can do?
Methadone is the lesser of two evils. Been on it for over 20 years. WHATEVER WORKS! R.I.P. HEARTBREAKERS 💔🕶️🕶️🕶️🕶️🖤
@@nanchanger he was helping Jerry, you are such a little fanboy it's groce
Let’s not forget Billy Murcia!! He was on the first Dolls record!! Died tragically.......
Billy Died in '72, then Jerry Joined late '72 then the band recorded their debut album in early/mid '73. Billy was not on the album. Billy however is on some early demo's and also on the London '72 Demo's.
I see, thought the record was out when they went over to England, where BM met his fate. wasn’t the story that some chicks tried to sober him up by pouring coffee down his throat and thus drowning him? Just horrible and sad.
@@RolandDuke how stupid women they were..I mean..WoW..
@@RolandDuke yeah I think an opiate or barbiturate overdose and then they tried to sober him up by pouring coffee down his throat and he asphixiated.
Nolan was the superior drummer, but Murcia gelled better with Arthur Kane imo. With Murcia, they sounded slower but also tighter.
This is a great book!! It's a goddamn shame that bands like Poison, Motley Crue and other bands of that Ilk made $$$$$$$ while John and Jerry had to struggle to survive.
Michael Volgare ..
Oh Michael~I couldn't agree more .. 💔
..Juliet xX😎💘💋..
Michael Volgare It is a shame; but it goes hand in hand with heroin addiction. My entire life right now, at fifty two, is still somewhat in chaos. All because of my addiction.
Yep mate Aurthur was so miffed and i dont blame him rip he fkn started it and was a true rock n roll.gentle.giant all those dreadful hair bands that i guiltly loved as a teen and then i found out about the dolls b4 thunders died then everyting changed 4 me till this day😎
@@williekiso3971 That was some of it but the music they were playing just wasn't mainstream yet back when they were doing it. One percent of the population probably new about The Heartbreakers in 1976 while 98% new who Peter Frampton was at the time. In many genres throughout history the originals are often dead before their thing even hits. Not saying it's right, just saying. Yes they were on H but they also never had proper mgmt and marketing.
The irony and gross injustice
About time somebody gave props to 1 of rocks most influential drummers.
Nice :) need more here in youtube about Jerry Nolan.
His shirt is missing "Murcia".
"Rivets"
@@nanchanger "Jordan"
billy was only in the band for a few months and was a poor drummer. jerry really took the dolls to the next level and they defined their career with him in the band.
@@smkxodnwbwkdns8369 He was in the band for a year and was a founding member.
Leber,krebs,thau
Stranded in the Jungle is a great read. If you're thinking about getting it,do it now. You won't be disappointed.
I'm at the end of the book, EXCELLENT book, highly recommended, very well researched, I do not know the author. Jerry was a great drummer. I played the Rat, opened for The Real Kids.
Great talk Curt! This Year's Model is the first or second album I ever owned. Had a huge influence on me growing up in Montreal! For some reason I'm only now discovering New York Dolls and Heartbreakers. They really deserve to be in the Hall of Fame
excellent book! Jerry was one of a kind.
Aunque no estuvieron en el salon de la fama y no llenaron estadios,los dolls son la inspiracion y la influencia de muchos grupos !!!!aguante los dolls from argentina👍
It’s interesting how much he went into the fashion. I always noticed how good Jerry looked. And I wondered was it accident? Do some people just own cooler clothes by chance? I’ve been wearing the same clothes for 20 years literally so I know nada about it. I want to look good like Nolan. I bet you feel like a million bucks
That's a great comment man. Really enjoyed reading it. I was a bit of a musician so always dressed in whatever style we were doing, I wasnt even alive when the Dolls came around, but like you said at the end "I bet you feel like a million bucks". They certainly look like they felt it, right? Love when blokes can see that other blokes look cool and it doesn't turn into jealousy. You just enjoy the view. C'mon though my friend.. You must have a favourite suit? Jerry, or people like him feel as comfortable (even if the shoes hurt.. Lol) because THAT'S who they were. All the best man.
Definitely by design, not by accident my man. "profiling" as Curt said. It's now seen as "posey" to have fashion at the forefront but think of any great music movement.. Last one Im thinking of is early 00ish NYC scene (the strokes et Al) all had a "look" too. I remember playing a small club I was playing lead and singing at the same time and let's just say I had an off night (too much Irish courage) and my rhythm player said to me "if you were an ugly c£&t you'd be fired tonight" 😂
Like the Chet Baker bio in 2002, this immensely enjoyable, well-written book goes deep with no apologies, soft soap or varnish. Until now, I never considered Nolan’s drumming by itself although I’ve been hearing it for decades on Dolls and Thunders records. Here, the Krupa influence is explained with a musician’s insight. One of the best books about rock music out there. Five stars and a quarter gram.
that robbing the dentist scene in the baker bio would be great in a movie!
And Scar tissue-Anthony kiedis's life story. And "Slash"-is good too ..
Chet Baker would play to 12 people in my local watering hole a few blocks down here in Amsterdam. After nodding out and forgetting he had a gig Switzerland. Money went up his arm etc
Tony Slug Well said, my friend.
@@AFaceintheCrowd01 I was playing in a band with a Dutch saxophone Jazz Guy named HANS DULFER. And I'm a punk rock 3 chord guitar guy, who can't do jazz. I'm a Johnny Ramone type guy. Hans and Chet knew one another. And then I discovered similarities between the 50's jazz "cats" and the 80's punkers. It was an interesting journey/
The greatest thing about those early yrs was that every band had thier own look, identity & sound.
Jerry can never be replaced because of his ultra-powerful, unique & perfect drumming style. I went to many Heartbreakers shows, even the early ones at Max's Kansas City with Richard on bass. It really inspired me to start my first band at age 20 named THE THE in 1977 & we certainly got around town playing all the hot venues with the big boys of that era due to strong management by Jane Friedman.
Like so many other bands that were inspired by the Dolls & Heartbreakers, it couldn't have happened without Jerry's amazing drumming!
Here is a song I wrote for THE THE shortly before our break up, so I released it as a solo artist. ua-cam.com/video/dldNpUbs8zo/v-deo.html
A girlfriend of mine used to listen to "THE THE" quite, quite often.
"I never played 'punk' music." - Johnny Thunders
Ofcourse not. Pure old raw rock'n roll..
But the punks loved him. Punks with good taste, that is.
@@Slammerworm1 Yeah!!! I did Punk Rocker from Motorcity Stuttgart Germany 58 years old and I hope they all Rest in Powder ☠️💣☠️
@@dalakerdaniel9240 Howdy my bud!
I always *LOVED* Jerry Nolan's style. Hard Rock 'n Roll with a _'swing'_ to it.
They say he studied under Gene Krupa.
I don't know if that's true.
But, I can see an influence there.
The moment he joined the Dolls, they started playing more _'in-the-pocket'._
Smoke a bowl for me & I'll smoke a doobie for you!
Peace. Stay Healthy!
- Dave B.
@@jellobiafra2810 Hey my mate, how is it with you and your family all fine? Tursday my Daughter get's her second Pfizer and we're out of the Lockdown coz School Holidays and now the Eurpean Championship had just started - real football have fun and a nice hello to your wife🍻 How was your sausage day? today I was three hours non stop listening to Flamin Grooves with video only Slow Death
☠️⚽☠️
Very cool talk! Throughly enjoyed it.
Great! Great story telling. Loved all the details.
We now know that the problem of sound quality on L.A.M.F. was entirely a fault in the mastering. Jungle Records has obtained the original master tape and is releasing L.A.M.F. as it should have sounded in '77.
BTW, when I played Heartbreakers live at max's kansas city, Volume 2, for Johnny Thunders, he told me, "Finally, somebody gets it right."
I agree. Volume 2 with Jerry on drums is the best they ever sounded on record. I still listen to that.
Nolan was old friends with Kiss drummer Peter Criss.
Thanks Curt...Great book
Jerry's highly effective drumming kept that lovely Dolls chaos together......
Unlike the majority of drummers , he also was entertaining to watch. Although it's understandable these caricature 80's hair bands had to be mentioned for completist reasons, and the influence the Dolls had.....they far from deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as the New York Dolls....dragging the Dolls down to their caricature con level......
*Thank God there's a lot of great live material/bootlegs from Jerry that sound great! From the Heartbreakers to the Idols, the London Cowboys, N.Y. Dolls, etc... And now there's this great L.A.M.F. box-set which is great, finally we can hear the cleaned up (original) L.A.M.F. album from '77, and a lot of demo's, alternative mixes, and the lost '77 mixes. A shame Jerry and Johnny never had the chance to hear all this in their lifetime.. I'm gonna read the book for shure, I'm very curious about Jerry. He's an outstanding drummer, but everybody's focused a lot on Thunders, so I always wondered about Jerry. Great reading, I enjoyed it from beginning to end. THNX! :)*
It`s much more interesting than any of the Thunders books.
There are a few excellent remixes of LAMF which are at least to me perfectly satisfactory. Nobody in the band should feel unhappy about the best mixes. 99% of those who had the original version would have listened to the later versions which are very good indeed, so to me for that reason nothing is really lost.
I'm reading this classic book right now.
I WAS THE WEST COAST TOUR MANAGER FOR THE ROCKATS IN 1979 WHEN THEY WERE BEING MANAGED BY SEAGAL/SAMUAL MGNT. AND HAD MOVED TO HOLLYWOOD. I DROVE JERRY TO METHADONE TREATMENT EVERY MORNING FOR SEVERAL MONTHS. I SET THOSE PINK DRUMS UP NUMEROUS TIMES. I STILL GET MESSAGES FROM SMUTTY NOW AND THEN. Oh the good old days!
Raw and Crude is Brilliant!! You gotta be raw and ya gotta be crude. It's when to know when to stop! That's the Brilliance!
I asked David Johansen about Malcolm maclearen. He told me that they were NOT managed by him, he only got some red leather outfits for them
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Amazing.Thank you very much!
I'm reading this book right now - it's in my hands as a type this.
You gave Jerry no credit in the book like your trying to bullshit on here.You must really want to get off food stamps.
Was it good?
@@phyllismauro8481 Phyllis stien?.................are you still acting like you were the only one that knew Jerry?..........your face book page about Thunders is a fuckin joke no1 can even ask a question its all just arse kissing....glad you never wrote a book ...........at least I hope not god it would be like alice in wonderland
@@phyllismauro8481 You came accross really well in the book if thats you Phyllis Stein....jerrys meal ticket hahaha and have you given his poor wife back the jacket and outher things she sent you?as you denied her entrance to the hospital b4 he died?....lucky you didn't get aids
Thank you for this excellent thankx
This Year's Model and Pete Thomas are absolutely at the top of classic new wave musicianship at its/his best.
Excellent,I will definitely buy the book.
Artists/entertainers often want to be considered "the original" at what they do. In truth, all borrowed from predecessors. The fact is, those that followed the Dolls did a lot more right than the Dolls did, and a larger audience was there to appreciate them.
love that shirt!
Loved the book!!
I wasn't even aware of this book and it's 2021! But it's NOT MY FAULT!!
I looked up to these guys!!
Ii once worked for John Holmstrom from Punk Magazine..I helped him with rhe paste ups and mechanicals..Bobbyondon, the famous cartoonist, got me the job
I've seen the Ramones a few times and they were great but they could have been legendary with Jerry Nolan.
@saund102 “could” have been legendary..?? 😂
Nolan would’ve locked horns with Johnny Ramone - and probably decked him - within the first rehearsal.
A great read. Highly recommended
I'm from Detroit (blow the reveille)!
*The NYD's became a much tighter band the instant Jerry took the drum stool.* They actually started playing in a _'pocket'_ from time to time. He had a unique _'hard-rock-swing'._ No offense to Billy M. But, it was like night and day.
re: _'hair-bands-stealin':_ Just the look. There were the rare, actual songwriting attempts (e.g. 'Talk Dirty To Me' _LoL~°_ ). But, that _'Shangra-La/Stone/MC5/Stooge/thang'_ the Dolls wrote to was *wa-a-ay* above those poodle rockers' pay grade!
- Dave B.
I'm a hip hop head cali via Detroit..I remember the dolls/Alice cooper having a fan base in detroit when I was young...Seems like detroit got a thing for rockers in makeup 🤔🤔🤔
@@minorsnow5306 That's funny. Had to have a sense of humor about it in those days (With the likes of Iggy Stooge crawlin' around). _LoL~°_
We welcomed certain bands more than any other city at that time. The Who, Jeff Beck Group, Savoy Brown, J. Geils Band.
Say what you will, it was a very cool time.
Hey, I'm a 'Detroit-via-Cali'.
- Dave B.
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I will take the New York Dolls over any band they influenced.
But I am very happy to have the Ramones and the Sex Pistols
In 1974 I met them at the Little Hippodrome on 56th..Johnny wasn't there..
Best mix of lamf imo is the tony james/thunders revisited releases in 84/85...very powerful, nice and even mix!
This shit's great Curt! Much thanx man!
Gonna buy your book soon.
M8nk DeVille, another outstanding band.
Also really cool lecture!!
? Great historical account of 70s scene which I was a part of playing for Regina Richards and red hot ...
I found the book interesting but if you have read anything about the Dolls or NY punk, some passages will be familiar having been covered elsewhere but are used in a creative way here.There was an odd bit about masturbation which recalls Charles Cross telling us what was going through Kurt Cobain's mind in his final moments in his book 'Heavier Than Heaven'. No one can really know..How Weiss was privy to this (assumed) private moment of Nolan's left me scratching my head.
BUT there wasnt a book about Jerry Nolan specifically and this filled that void. Overall as a drummer myself I enjoyed the book and am glad it was written.Also, I had no idea about what really caused Jerry's death and was surprised to learn the truth-courtesy of this book . I would recommend checking it out if you are a 70s punk/rock & roll fan.
Remember Artie? He was a drummer for the Dolls, I just can't remember which year..
I think you mean Arthur Kane, the bassist. Billy Murcia was the orig. drummer for the Dolls, who OD's in London, etc.
The Pistols - the band members themselves - chose Chris Thomas for the reasons you cited. Everyone thinks that they were a bunch of chaotic stumblebums. Nuh uh.. They knew what they wanted and they went after it. Fantastic sound.
More like Steve Jones chose Chris Thomas
I only met Jerry backstage at Bookies Club 870 one time. Him & Johnny were both high as a kite & trying to get me to snort speedballs. Glad I didn't.
Funny because I've used New York Dolls tracks as reference tracks while recording my own band
Right im off to grab the book
Nick Lowe produced the Damned album
I liked the book...
Jerry had REAL style, he looked equally good in his continental suit and pompadour as he did looking like yer mam on the razzle on the Dolls first LP cover, nah he just had it. Incredible to think just how great The Dolls were, they all had a sense of all style, even Arthur Kane, who kooks like a hairy crab! (y'know they mate by adorning themselves with shiny found objects) Check Jerry's interviews about The Anarchy tour, the way he pinpoints Lydon's camp, counting his change for the bus is bliss: ua-cam.com/video/-gyGJLwjJw4/v-deo.html For a supposedly 'uneducated man, he was very articulate.
lets get the dolls in to the rock and roll hall of fame !! vote daily, ends in April
bogus outfit
imagine if he had actually talked to jerry, who was a great storyteller
i think it was found to be bad mastering not a bad mix
Someone at the record co. or studio was a 'tard because normally if you hand the master tapes to a competent mastering studio/engineer, you end up with
a releasable product. Or someone was trying to save money, or steal the mastering money, which from reading In Cold Blood, sounds kind of likely. Most albums
that go into Sterling Sound for example, in NYC, come out sounding phenomenal. LOL I think somebody wanted to sabotage the Heartbreakers, is what I think.
as often as people yak yak yak about making rock grow up-Johansen is the only one who really is delivering
How's this for a Rock n Roll band lineup
Del Shannon-Vocals
Poison Ivy-Lead Guitar
Malcolm Young-Rythnm Guitar
John McVie-Bass
Jerry Nolan-Drums
Drumming with swing and groove,listen to the máster the Great Aussie Phil Rudd!!
@jasonthunders6551
I'm from Detroit (blow the reveille)!
*WOW!* Great lineup!
Makes me think of all kinds of music possibilities!
*ROX ON!*
-Dave B.
They were that diamond seminal wich brings kids to play drums and guitars and You missed to say about Wasp who grab killer Kane songs
Jerry got to see Eddie Cochran before he died. The mid-late 70's guys couldn't make the transition to the 80's. The Ramones weren't popular until 1992.
R.I.P Jerry "Needle" Nolan
My first exposure to the Dolls was on "TopPop" (Dutch "Top of the Pops") ca. 1974-1975. The would air 30 second of each the "TIP 5" contenders after the "Countdown". 30 seconds of Dolls that changed my life.
At this point I'm 13 years old wondering what the hell happened to my favorites Alice Cooper, Sweet and Slade. It was just before punk...and disco
Nikki Sixx must've been one of these "Johnny clones" but he was hot as hell.
And the Dolls are *still* not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
No....The Dolls were never managed with strategy....Girls across the US loved them...Otherwize...2 other important seminal bands....Magic Tramps & Jonathan Richman.... ( shared bill w Dolls at Mercer Art Center ) were lending influence to the Punk Scene...in fact personel from Modern Lovers, ended up in Talking Heads...Chris Stein was associated w Magic Tramps.........
Madaleine0n Chris roadied gor Eric a bit took great photos
And let Eric live in his apt for awhile
Eric was a walking movie
"Threw away my ELP , Yes ,King Crimson records" .......not very smart ? .....one can actually dig The Dolls, the first Elvis Costello records etc... *and* pre '71 Yes , ELP and King Crimson..... Actually dig *everything* that's original and delivered with conviction . Even Lydon admitted to be charmed by Van Der Graaf Generator and Hawkwind .
To actually mention Quay Lewd wannabees like Mutly Crud and Twisted Pisster in the same breath as The Dolls .........??
Anyway ,....apart for heartland usa , pink wasn't so shocking.....for someone raised on 50's rock'n roll ....whose main ambition was to maybe one day own a pink Cadillac .
People weren't so affronted by pink especially since Syd Barrett's Pink Floyd ....?
Opiates kill ambition . Jerry (and Johnny) wasn't as lucky as Keith Richards who had someone like Jagger to take the reigns.
ELP sucked, nothing wrong with King Crimson. "Mutly Crud and Twisted Pisster", bwahahahahah!!!!!!
@@G8GT364CI Before they began to suck , the first two ELP albums were interesting, not to forget The Nice , Emerson's first band.
@@PAULLONDEN I love the Nice, I'll check out the first two ELP albums.
The Voidoids!!
The Dolls and Heartbreakers had great influence on other bands, fashion and culture but what kind of influence was that? What was the ethos the Dolls and Heartbreakers were expressing? Narcissism, addiction, depression, self-hate, isolation and emotional suicide are the results of the Dolls/ Heartbreakers lifestyle. Where will idolizing the Dolls / Heartbreakers take you? Do you want those things for yourself?
The book doesn't glamorise the lifestyle at all, on the contrary. It was a great read
Yea he's right just went for a listen the drums are dead, sounds like he's hitting pizza boxes, why no reverb on the snare at least? To bad, why do so many New York rockers die of the big C? It could be heavy EMF waves known to do that.
Lets not even go there.
[Jerry dated Bette Midler? Whoa.]
Fame is not a raisin to live and lotta people die by fame....Elvis, for exemple
Yes
The band had what it took, unfortunately the recording was very poor compared to other albums of that time. Its a good record but its definitely covered in mudd. Sounds muffled. Strange. The songs are so good it still shines though
This dork is hard to listen to. Jerry was the opposite of this guy. Can’t imagine them even talking together besides maybe jerry robbing him
Flip Flanagan shut up
Curt number one did a lot of research years of talking to people
And he loved Nolan
Curts a great guy
Dont make assumptions about people you dont know
Flip's a dork.
Oh god, winging. It's embarrassing. People are what they are. you can't wish it any other way. He was great. He had success. It was alright.
Punk
Here’s Panama Francis: ua-cam.com/video/1rNQvfBEN64/v-deo.html
Yep, I hear it too.
10:58 Nobody ever taught Peter Criss to play the drums. He still hasn’t learned. If Nolan had joined Kiss, or if Criss had been able to learn anything from him, they might’ve made a decent record. But you can’t teach it. You’ve got it or you don’t.
Without a competent drummer, they were hopeless.
They made a lot of money though.
11:04: The other Dolls were failures. Even Johansen had to turn into a semi-comedy act to make a buck.
The Dolls and Heartbreakers will never get in rnr hof. Bc thunders sabotaged his career, his drug use. Even Nolan. Dolls took alot from Stooges
both KISS and Aerosmith were both influenced by the NY Dolls
Yeah Jerry taught mike Grafton everything he knows. That's why they're both dead 💀