Sword and Shield sparring Nick vs Mike

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  • Sparring using shields as were commonly used by the Vikings and Saxons and many other nations in Europe and beyond. There is not a single known surviving treatise detailing how these punch grip shields were used. However we are sparring with them with the knowledge of renaissance shield and buckler combat.
    Therefore this isn't claiming to be a certain style, as we will likely never know what sword and shield styles looked like from the era of these weapons. But we can experiment and have a bit of fun with applying knowledge of later styles. Nick is using the larger red and cream shield. Mike, the smaller yellow and navy/grey one.

КОМЕНТАРІ • 983

  • @TheEvilmonkey25
    @TheEvilmonkey25 3 роки тому +194

    I can see why historians say most battles were 15 minutes of fighting followed by often hour-long lulls

    • @TESkyrimizer
      @TESkyrimizer Рік тому +23

      "time out guys, my arm's getting sore"
      "yeah me too, see u after lunch"

  • @cghjghnjvjvjvjv
    @cghjghnjvjvjvjv 7 років тому +1782

    They should invest in the guard break skill tree.

    • @andrewc3336
      @andrewc3336 7 років тому +99

      Or use an axe for bonus damage to shields durability, that can be useful as it forces the opponent to not use the shield as much or risk it breaking.

    • @MaxArtemyev
      @MaxArtemyev 7 років тому +12

      cghjghnjvjvjvjv simple shortcut: use force, Luke!

    • @Chroma710
      @Chroma710 6 років тому +7

      Javelins are also good against shields

    • @halo48189
      @halo48189 6 років тому +5

      Andrew Corbett nah use raipers the heavy attack damages through shields

    • @Ezio9791
      @Ezio9791 6 років тому +6

      I would just equip a Shotel and do R2's as that attack ignores shields.

  • @UnclePutte
    @UnclePutte 7 років тому +578

    A quiet afternoon at the gym, ca. 1066.

    • @rajeshvengadesan703
      @rajeshvengadesan703 5 років тому +4

      50th like

    • @jrtomlin1805
      @jrtomlin1805 5 років тому +2

      More like ballet dancing. Real fighters didn't play around like that.

    • @jacobt1027
      @jacobt1027 4 роки тому +10

      Jr Tomlin It's sparring

    • @jrtomlin1805
      @jrtomlin1805 4 роки тому

      @@jacobt1027 Yes, it is. My response was to the implication that it looks anything like fighting done in 1066.

    • @sojjjer
      @sojjjer 4 роки тому +2

      Jr Tomlin you melt if this was set at a gym as the comment said, it would still be sparring

  • @TheGuzeinbuick
    @TheGuzeinbuick 4 роки тому +212

    It may not be as exciting as other weapons/styles, but you gotta admit the sword-shield combination is top tier. It can subdue every other weapon and weapon combination.

    • @lawrencemorris2261
      @lawrencemorris2261 2 роки тому +43

      Shield and pistol, lol

    • @TheBigMannyShow
      @TheBigMannyShow 2 роки тому +69

      @@lawrencemorris2261 Why do you have to be THAT guy

    • @hellomate639
      @hellomate639 2 роки тому +10

      I don't like how they're fighting. They're way overexposing their hand and wrist when they have a shield to protect the hand.

    • @crustyjuggler382
      @crustyjuggler382 2 роки тому +15

      hmm, id argue that from the ancient Greeks up until the late medieval period, the humble shield and spear combination would consistently and easily best any variation of a sword and shield combination from the same time period. That argument would be based on a series of examples from history.
      most one-handed swords were actually carried as secondary weapons with a two-handed weapon or shield and spear or similar weapon, or a bludgeoning weapon such as a mace or hammer as their primary.

    • @TheBigMannyShow
      @TheBigMannyShow 2 роки тому +3

      @@crustyjuggler382 100% agree with everything you said, id say that respectfully, the original comment doesnt have enough experience or knowledge

  • @GOMD77
    @GOMD77 7 років тому +372

    Idk why they aren't guard breaking or headbutting. Maybe even push them off a ledge. They need some lessons from Warlord

  • @mullenio4200
    @mullenio4200 6 років тому +303

    It's really annoying when people say this or that is wrong. The only way we can know for sure how to use these weapon combinations is try them out. Trial and error.
    This fight is pretty much as I imagined. Lots of feinting, shield bashing and good movement. Both fighters did well and of course, the finish, when it came was quick and subtle.
    I'd love to have a bash.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 років тому +100

      To say what is right and wrong for something like Viking combat is utterly ignorant. We have no idea. All we can do it use much later sources, or make it up. There is also some assumption that a particular weapon or combo was always used a certain way. That is a very modern and sportive perspective on things. Historically there were a great variety in styles and personal usage, even within one weapon type.
      What we presented here is one plausible way the fight could have gone. It is based on Renaissance sword and shield work, which is documented and we do practice. When people look at a style that is different than they recognise and call it 'wrong', it is almost always through ignorance.

    • @joditiarsutrisno5556
      @joditiarsutrisno5556 4 роки тому +16

      They who said this is wrong might be going with game or movie reference

    • @gerald-jeanboudreault7986
      @gerald-jeanboudreault7986 4 роки тому +7

      Jodi Sutrisno Dude they watched Vikings. They’re experts now...Makes me sick

    • @joditiarsutrisno5556
      @joditiarsutrisno5556 4 роки тому +3

      @@gerald-jeanboudreault7986 did you think if they ate some 'berserker mushroom' they would fight like crazy ?

    • @xxprodudex1278
      @xxprodudex1278 4 роки тому +1

      @@AcademyofHistoricalFencing you very good👍👍👍

  • @richardtinsel3365
    @richardtinsel3365 7 років тому +1231

    how come no one ever fights with two shields?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому +300

      Hard to carry/wear to start with. Also hard to really do damage with. You'll have to close and brawl, but if your opponent has a single shield they will be able to smother your attacks, resulting in you getting cut or thrust in the openings. A knife and a shield would be better than two shields.

    • @zachariaravenheart
      @zachariaravenheart 7 років тому +54

      I've actually thought really hard about this topic before. Such a thing could work, however, you would need smaller shields like the blue one the guy in the video had. Also, to make it more effective, it would be good to give the shields a bladed edge, or even spikes. Then add a proficiency in hand to hand combat and translate those skills into shield fighting. I really want to perfect this, but I don't have anything to practice with ;-;
      I did practice this before with shields friends of mine have, but only one at a time.

    • @richardtinsel3365
      @richardtinsel3365 7 років тому +60

      okay so shield knight would be terrible at combat

    • @Aga1nAndAga1n
      @Aga1nAndAga1n 7 років тому +18

      It seems to me that the lack of range would be a huge problem. The sword user could swipe away at the double shield user's legs without fear of reprisal, like the blue shield guy does at the beginning but actually being able to get close enough to hit.

    • @zachariaravenheart
      @zachariaravenheart 7 років тому +4

      AgainAndAgain Good point man. Some things the dual shield could probably do is a simultaneous low block and high strike since sweeping to the legs leaves the head open and tilted forward. Another tactic could be to block low with one or both shields, then explode up to knock the attacker off balance and open his/her guard. Again, I wish I could test these to see if it can work. Won't know until I try :)

  • @benrechakiewicz3594
    @benrechakiewicz3594 7 років тому +47

    Makes you appreciate how they used to fight in the medieval times.

  • @GlizzyMan445
    @GlizzyMan445 7 років тому +117

    Top 10 Dark Souls boss battles

  • @ttlpwn34
    @ttlpwn34 7 років тому +1151

    lol Don't these guys know you can just keep hitting your opponents shield until he runs out of stamina, and then go in for the riposte? Oh, but make sure you got hornet ring on though, for that extra crit damage. ;)

    • @kimjiro4591
      @kimjiro4591 7 років тому +33

      well, this is just a demonstrative sparring tho. But yes, the most effective way to deal with shield/armored opponent is strike them out of balance.

    • @xzNightCrawlerzx
      @xzNightCrawlerzx 7 років тому +66

      ttlpwn34 git gud

    • @ItalianAvalanche
      @ItalianAvalanche 7 років тому +6

      I think that would just be likely to damage your weapon.

    • @kimjiro4591
      @kimjiro4591 7 років тому

      Gregory Foresi you wanna damage your weapon or you wanna be dead? Also if you think any kind of blade can directly damage a person through full plate armor then ... smh

    • @ItalianAvalanche
      @ItalianAvalanche 7 років тому +3

      I don't think that and I'm not sure why you'd get that impression after seeing me write that attacking armor or shield will likely result in a damaged weapon.
      A better solution is to close the distance and grapple your opponent and exploit gaps in the armor.

  • @Dancorg
    @Dancorg 8 років тому +100

    2:17 I had to replay that several times, nice work!

  • @EODReddFox
    @EODReddFox 4 роки тому +21

    Kinda crazy that I’ve watched so much of this channel that I can now recognize Nick by just his posture and size...

  • @SprayedToTheBone2
    @SprayedToTheBone2 8 років тому +232

    The shield probably was as much a weapon as the sword is.

    • @Hashishtani
      @Hashishtani 8 років тому +35

      I think it was more weapon than a sword even... Ancient Greeks considered the shield being main honor, loosing sword was ok, loosing shield was disgrace... I wish they would practice the spartan Hoplon technics, its heavy shield on the strap but the way it's fixed on the hand allow to ram and strike with it very strongly.

    • @brettbudgell2271
      @brettbudgell2271 7 років тому +1

      +Hashishtani losing* sorry , I had too

    • @samfong4658
      @samfong4658 7 років тому +3

      *Sorry, I had to. ;)

    • @tylerdurden376
      @tylerdurden376 7 років тому +2

      +Hashishtani no, a hit with a viking shield is always harder.

    • @MrPanos2000
      @MrPanos2000 7 років тому +2

      +Joel Bernd I'd rather be hit by a piece of wooden planks rather than a massive hoplon of wood,hides and bronze. Most deaths untill the third century BC were caused by shields xD

  • @brandonfarfan1978
    @brandonfarfan1978 4 роки тому +15

    This sparring duel with those fancy round shields is amazing.
    Also, I like the designs of those shields.

  • @ClydePlays
    @ClydePlays 2 роки тому +40

    You guys should score this and put the score on the screen throughout the session. I'd watch tons of that.

  • @ProffesorGreen0192
    @ProffesorGreen0192 6 років тому +81

    I wish there was an ancient nord in the comments to tell us how it's really done lol

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 років тому +36

      Likely in a great many different ways. Even in periods of mass standardisation in the Renaissance, a great many different approaches existed.

    • @deadpansnarker3749
      @deadpansnarker3749 4 роки тому +3

      Bashing heads in with the shield would be a great start

    • @WobblePizza
      @WobblePizza 4 роки тому +3

      Its possible they didn't really know. It's not like they could look shit up on the interent. I bet a lot of them picked up grandpas weapons and went off to war not knowing a single thing about how to use them correctly. I mean how hard is it really to poke holes in people and drain their fluids.

    • @rufuscord7160
      @rufuscord7160 3 роки тому +2

      I'd much rather have them teach us how to shout

    • @meyearsago-lc8bq
      @meyearsago-lc8bq 3 роки тому +2

      @@WobblePizza, pretty hard poking holes while staying in one piece not getting an injury that will basically make you useless for this battle and next ones. Especially when you're not dueling, but fighting a group of people, sometimes greater in numbers than yours. And the warrior class knew it and tried to teach knightly offspring how to not get killed on the battlefield before sending their children here.

  • @hircustres9276
    @hircustres9276 7 років тому +9

    the guy holding the camera is a genius.

  • @TimmyTurner421
    @TimmyTurner421 8 років тому +19

    Yes! More shield + sword or shield + spear sparring please. Very entertaining to watch!

  • @TESkyrimizer
    @TESkyrimizer Рік тому +2

    If Hollywood had like 100 extras fighting like this in the background it would be pretty cool to watch!
    I mean most fights are meticulously choreographed (like in GoT) or just a lot of non-serious shoving and waving their weapon in the air (like in Vikings) but this is a great middle ground: neither choreographed nor completely careless.
    Obviously battle scenes in films aren't about depicting realistic-seeming combat but more about achieving narrative beats but it does give people some cool stuff to admire.

  • @jcindass89
    @jcindass89 7 років тому +23

    looks like warlord needs a buff.

  • @user-sh4mw6so7i
    @user-sh4mw6so7i 7 років тому +34

    i love sparring video so much

  • @kevinmailaeied5519
    @kevinmailaeied5519 8 років тому +19

    damn i like the sound of sword contact shield, if im in there i probaly keep banging the shield for fun hahah

  • @ezequielprimera6812
    @ezequielprimera6812 3 роки тому +12

    -Knight war battle recreation = Not enough technique
    -Japanese Kendo = Not enough action
    -This sparring match = just enough action and technique. It was actually pretty good! You can see they know how to hit and avoid hits, and actually get hit sometimes but keep fighting, so you can imagine the wounds haha

    • @iwillremoveyourribcage
      @iwillremoveyourribcage 10 місяців тому

      i assure you kendo has lots of action, its just not “battle-accurate”, it’s a sport derived from a martial art, you “score points” instead of “going for the kill” in kendo

  • @blacksheepinthebigshitty9544
    @blacksheepinthebigshitty9544 8 років тому +2

    I got so distracted that I thought they were fighting for half an hour or so. Man, can't believe this was only 5 minutes...

  • @Darfail
    @Darfail 7 років тому +11

    this looks REALLY cool

  • @modex20
    @modex20 7 років тому +296

    tank duels are so boring

    • @eliabiundo8874
      @eliabiundo8874 6 років тому +24

      i actually disagree. that makes it just really interesting! because if two tanks fight the techinique wins! so that is awesome!!!

    • @darksyde0418
      @darksyde0418 5 років тому +3

      They barely even attack

  • @Wabbasha
    @Wabbasha Рік тому

    imagine a medieval fight with both guys in full plate armor, shield and sword... it would last forever.

  • @LifeLikeSage
    @LifeLikeSage 8 років тому +11

    Frontkick like boss! YESSS

  • @CallofWar5
    @CallofWar5 8 років тому +14

    very interesting. I hope you guys keep up the exploration of weapon types. I love to see them

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  8 років тому +1

      +blackraver5 We always do :-)

    • @Theendman42
      @Theendman42 8 років тому

      +Academy of Historical Fencing Why don't they have the same shield? is it to do with the fact that nobody would get hit due to them being the same? I don't know why?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  8 років тому +1

      +theendman That is a bit like asking how long is a piece of string. Sometimes we used matched weapons and combinations, and sometimes we don't. Shields of this type varied massively from down to about the size of a buckler to the absolutely massive so that they cover most of the body. In this instance, they happened to be the shields that the two owners had and brought to training.

    • @Theendman42
      @Theendman42 8 років тому

      Academy of Historical Fencing Okay it is all on what they have bought. I just wanted to know.

    • @DarkAgesWarrior
      @DarkAgesWarrior 8 років тому +1

      +blackraver5 think you might like our channel as we are looking to do similar things and would appreciate any feedback.

  • @zamot9261
    @zamot9261 7 років тому +33

    nice for honor 2 gameplay

  • @blacksheepsociety1034
    @blacksheepsociety1034 7 років тому

    Nice effort, pretty much enjoyed this, nice pace and all. Have you considered using strikes with the shield edge to the face/hand/body in your training, getting into close range, grapping, ground combat yet? Would love to see more of this.

  • @Macaco23284
    @Macaco23284 4 роки тому +9

    99% of coments are about rpg memes and jokes
    1% are saying the axe and javelins are better

  • @salahkasli3362
    @salahkasli3362 2 роки тому +5

    1:48 the tackle 🔥

  • @oscillatine
    @oscillatine 7 років тому +1

    I thought that, in this case (scandinavian fencing), the sword should come on the edge of the shield in order to attack with both sword and shield in the same time, and cut instead of striking the body. Plus they don't use the rotating function of the shield, invented to feel the opponent movement and divert forces... They just strike and parry. How come ?

  • @noneofyourbusiness3288
    @noneofyourbusiness3288 7 років тому +1

    Goes to show how much protection a shield really offers.

  • @lindgrenland
    @lindgrenland 7 років тому +13

    Looks a bit like saber sparring where there just happens to be a shield there

  • @justsiss
    @justsiss 4 роки тому +10

    I wonder if there are places where under 15’s can learn, in twelve and really am ambitious to learn

    • @CoffeeSnep
      @CoffeeSnep 4 роки тому +3

      That is a challenge. There are far more Asian schools of martial arts that train children and teens than there are European. At mine I'm the youngest guy and im 19. Joined when I was 17, got third in the last tournament. If you're serious about joining keep looking because you might find one that teaches minors. If not, try a different martial art for the time being, you will improve faster in European if you do. Also, make sure to keep in shape with a combination of cardio and weight lifting exercise. Its really important for this stuff if you want to spar or compete.

    • @matthewpham9525
      @matthewpham9525 3 роки тому

      Maybe try fencing when the pandemic clears. There’s a whole bunch of differences between modern and historical fencing, but there are enough similarities to be useful.

    • @CoffeeSnep
      @CoffeeSnep 3 роки тому +1

      @@matthewpham9525 that is certainly true. The thing I've noticed though is that some modern fencers have a tough time. They get hyperfocused on their ways and they find it more difficult than normal people to adjust. Some others adjust better and get a decent head start after they acclimate. Martial artists don't seem to have this problem in my experience because what they usually do is much more different. Still, the key parts of it like body awareness will transfer to any Martial art that you do.

    • @supaMcnugget09
      @supaMcnugget09 3 роки тому

      Same here but im 11

    • @jordansblabbering6303
      @jordansblabbering6303 3 роки тому

      Maybe start with LARP fighting?

  • @dequitem
    @dequitem 5 років тому

    Do u know that u can strikte with the shield too?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  5 років тому +1

      Yep, you'll see that in other videos. It has its own strengths and weaknesses, depending on the opponent and context.

  • @Karzeo
    @Karzeo Рік тому +1

    Been trying to practice actual fencing with a shield on Blade and Sorcery VR, so this does help lots

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  Рік тому +2

      Have a look at this one from us which is more recent and shows a wider range of technique
      ua-cam.com/video/NoNiPQUCE8U/v-deo.html

  • @cowboyru
    @cowboyru 8 років тому +60

    This is a saber duel with shields. Not claiming to be an expert, but having some experience in Viking age living history and martial arts, I can clearly see you guys not using many discovered effective techniques such as active shield, binds and certain effective strikes. Both of you leave you hands open at all times and lead with your heads a lot. I know both of you guys are excellent saber fencers, but this is a different style of fighting. Don't mean to discourage and no disrespect to fellow swordsman, however that just a wrong direction to take Viking age sword and shield. There are many resources such as Viking age living history groups and fighters from around the world who can help you explore this fighting style and explain commonly accepted techniques. Good luck.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  8 років тому +31

      +mikhail antipov Actually it's more based in renaissance sword and shield combat, which we do train in and is well documented. The problem with any kind of 'discovery' regarding a lost style is that it is purely speculative. It can look wonderful and seem great in theory, but they are just a theory. We will likely never know how Vikings/Saxons and others fought with shields. It would also be a massive mistake to believe that there is one true way to use any weapons, that is the pitfall that the katana has fallen into. Historically there would almost certainly be a great range of fighters in terms of skill, style, and approach. Nobody can really say what the right or wrong way to take Viking shield training, but we do not profess to know or teach a method. All we are doing is taking a known style and using It for fun according to earlier weapons.

    • @Spuuunt
      @Spuuunt 8 років тому

      +Juan P. Gonzalez D S Even cooler that some try to make new styles too.

    • @Imakebootysclap
      @Imakebootysclap 5 років тому

      just because its sword and shield doesnt mean its viking combat.

  • @unholybrick5416
    @unholybrick5416 7 років тому +3

    5:02 Permanent death. Cool move man!

  • @MartinMunthe
    @MartinMunthe 3 роки тому +2

    Logic dictates that the "punch grip" shield is very light and wide and only held by one grip because it is used at extended arm range away from the body. It is a tool to build distance, block the opponents view and the force limit movement of the opponent. In this clip the shields are used like later day armour shields that where heavy and had to be held closer to the body and be thicker. The viking shield is for smashing into the opponent with its ridge to get clearance for attacking with the sword.

    • @spicketspaghet7773
      @spicketspaghet7773 Рік тому +1

      You presume a little bit. Distance is the key with shields, but there is also a human element. Holding a 2 lb shield at max arm extension depletes your arm's stamina. That is why you see them draw it in whenever possible.

  • @DarkAgesWarrior
    @DarkAgesWarrior 3 роки тому

    Nice footage. Are you just carrying on when hit or waiting for something significant? We have been sparring without much protective and find this helps us assess damage from a shot.

  • @damiaan7021
    @damiaan7021 7 років тому +4

    that shield is quite big, people laugh at my shield of a similar size, mostly because it's crazy heavy in a longer fight... but it feels so safe and cozy

  • @sirPiteye
    @sirPiteye 8 років тому +7

    There seems to be no offensive use of the shield/shield bashing, is that deliberate?

    • @peanutgalery
      @peanutgalery 8 років тому +7

      +sirPiteye you underestimate how bad getting smacked by a shield would hurt.

    • @sirPiteye
      @sirPiteye 8 років тому

      *****
      yeah i thought so, that's why i asked

    • @alexanderpalmer2647
      @alexanderpalmer2647 7 років тому +5

      I noticed that too. I for one would have done it in an actual fight. But, It might be the same reason we aren't allowed to fight with quarterstaves. All that blunt power being forced into a resistant body might very well crush some very important body parts.

    • @CrispySkinwalker
      @CrispySkinwalker 7 років тому

      Alexander Palmer 2:55 he actually does a bit of a rush

    • @elsalondearmas5013
      @elsalondearmas5013 5 років тому

      Nice...

  • @murthy85
    @murthy85 6 років тому

    Hello there. I was wondering if it's possible to download this video for personal use? I wanted to do some rotoscoping for my showreel. Nothing commercial.

  • @deadantagonist5743
    @deadantagonist5743 Рік тому

    Bro can we talk about how flawless that final move was by dude in the right at the end of the video

  • @sindarpeacheyeisacommie8688
    @sindarpeacheyeisacommie8688 2 роки тому +3

    These two tend to treat their shields as after thoughts, rather than integrated weapon/defenses.

  • @opsrektu6557
    @opsrektu6557 7 років тому +8

    whyy!!! do they hit on each others facking sheilds!! teatch me i want to know why

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому +33

      There is never intentionally a cut made against a shield. There are taps and engagements to provoke responses, their are feints to create openings when the shield then counters, they are parried cuts. The reality with a sword and shield fight is that the shield is going to get hit by the sword often, that is what it is therefore.

    • @quinsalee
      @quinsalee 7 років тому +2

      +Academy of Historical Fencing ok, when they swing and the arc is intercepted by the shield when the shield does not move, would you call that swinging at the shield? if you hit a static shield with your sword, you are swinging at the shield.

    • @Kat957
      @Kat957 7 років тому +2

      Generally speaking, it's to provoke a response that you can capitalize on. Sometimes you can also move the shield with your strike and create an opening that way. The bottom line is if there isn't already an opening, you need to create one somehow and hitting the shield can do that for you.

    • @opsrektu6557
      @opsrektu6557 7 років тому

      ty man

    • @anonymousshawn9996
      @anonymousshawn9996 6 років тому

      Ops RektU a shield is usually heavy as hell. So one would cause their enemy to constantly have to raise their shield, causing the shielder to wear themselves out... Plus, depending on the type of shield and weapon it is blocking, a shield can become damaged and useless.

  • @BYGTraining
    @BYGTraining 6 років тому

    Hey guys, I was wondering what you thought of this take on sword and shield use? ua-cam.com/video/dkhpqAGdZPc/v-deo.html. It could really change the way your sword and shield sparring looks, or it could just be nonsense, I dunno! But I'd love your opinion!

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 років тому +1

      I was there when they shot that video, and I still don't think much of it. I think it is theoretically interesting, but deeply flawed when put in to practice, at speed against an opponent.
      Sadly we'll really never know how these shields were used, but I suspect you'll find the answer is, in many different ways. Even within later periods we can find immense variation of styles being taught, as well as a huge variety in a fighters personal approach.

    • @BYGTraining
      @BYGTraining 6 років тому

      Academy of Historical Fencing Cool! It's really awesome that you guys are constantly trying out historical weapon use at full speed and figuring out how they may have actually been used. It's so easy to imagine ways to use a weapon until all of a sudden you have to actually use it.

  • @nomadpi1
    @nomadpi1 6 років тому

    And how do you score a "cut" or a "bruised muscle, or a numbing, inability to use an arm after a bone being hit?

  • @liammcdowell8893
    @liammcdowell8893 7 років тому +4

    where the warlord jokes ?

  • @shaidyn8278
    @shaidyn8278 7 років тому +17

    I can't say for certain, but these shields look really light, as in I doubt they'd be able to take more than a hit or two from a full weight weapon. I'd be more interested in seeing this with weighted sheilds and swords.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому +38

      Actually no, they are overweight, as they have been made from 12mm ply with no taper. Typically a shield will taper from around 12-6mm, or similar, and yes they will very much stand up to steel weapons. But then these synthetic ones are within a realistic weight range for arming swords anyway, though Viking swords often are heftier in the tip. We used to use these with steel Viking/saxon swords, and spears. In fact these shields are about 8-10 years old, with a tonne of sparring practice. They are overweight and overly strong compared to typical originals.

    • @STRONK4LIFE
      @STRONK4LIFE 7 років тому +10

      Skallagrim tested a shield of this type with properly sharpened, full-weight weapons; they turned out to be far sturdier than expected.

    • @alexanderpalmer2647
      @alexanderpalmer2647 7 років тому

      Oh these things are tuff. The won't survive a direct hit from a Warhammer, or rather your arm probably won't, but nothing really does. But swords, axes...those things get stuck in the shield are dick all to remove. So all the shield guy as to do is wrench and dead.

    • @deviantan021
      @deviantan021 7 років тому

      a strike like that from a warhammer guy would be suicide

    • @alexanderpalmer2647
      @alexanderpalmer2647 7 років тому +2

      deviantan021 Moral of this story...don't get by a Warhammer...it hurts.

  • @roryd7017
    @roryd7017 7 років тому +1

    I've never done hema, so can someone explain to me what the point of swinging their sword at their opponents shield. Again, I'm no expert, but it doesn't look like they're aiming for the body at 0:20 right just lightly thrusts at the shield

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому +2

      Sometimes it is to try and provoke a response, targeting, or being perceived to target and area beyond the shield can draw it out. Sometimes that feint or attack is withdrawn at the last moment as it is not getting the desired effect. Sometimes the difference between hitting shield and the person is so small that it can also look like the shield is being targeted, when it is merely a failed attack.
      Striking the shield lightly can also provoke a response from the opponents sword rather than shield, exposing their arm. It can also be used as a means of intimidation. Other times it can be used as a means to setup an attack, for example a thrust cast off a shield quickly moves into a rotational cut.

  • @tedblackburn8679
    @tedblackburn8679 2 роки тому

    Hello , does anyone here know where i can buy a hidden pommel wrench? For a Turkish shashka from WW1. Thanks.

  • @VaustXIII
    @VaustXIII 8 років тому +7

    Soldier of house Nukem versus some viking

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  8 років тому +6

      +Vaust XIII It's actually East Roman :-) But maybe it does have built in radioactive powers!

  • @henriqueoliveiraschneider1194
    @henriqueoliveiraschneider1194 3 роки тому

    What type of wood to make a battle_ble katana? I'm from Brazil btw, nice combat love it

  • @MaharlikaAWA
    @MaharlikaAWA 5 років тому

    What's the point in having a shield if you raise it up in the air away from protecting your body? I am not into European midievil martial arts, but I am just asking a question. It seems a bit odd.

  • @benerdick_cumberbiatch
    @benerdick_cumberbiatch 5 років тому

    Would you recommend buying black fencer swords from faitsdarme rather than the main website? Since on the main website delivery time is 8 to 9 weeks.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  5 років тому

      Yes, if it's urgent. We recommend the same to our students who want a sword in a rush. It's only a small premium to pay to get it quickly.

  • @ColdenPrime
    @ColdenPrime 4 роки тому

    Where did they get their synthetic swords and shields?

  • @FerdieSchaller
    @FerdieSchaller 8 років тому

    How heavy are your shields? I've built one but I think between my boat-building brother-in-law and my own inclination to use bolts instead of nails its come out around 5kg, which is a real pain to use actively (Warzecha style)

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  8 років тому +2

      +Ferdie Schaller Not sure I haven't weighed then, but they are heavier than I would like. The main issue is that you really want the thickness of the wood to taper from the boss out to a thinner edge, and that is clearly a more difficult and expensive method, so few do it in this country. At some stage we will look at getting ones made that way, but it isn't a major interest for us. We have had these shields kicking around for about 8-9 years, so thought we would just put them to use for a bit of fun.

  • @horkosofdonso7624
    @horkosofdonso7624 6 років тому

    Will a head guards like those in the video withstand a thrust from a synthetic sword, or will fenching masks deform on inpact?
    They're asthetically appealing but plastic visor head guards seem more apt.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 років тому

      Yes they will. They are designed to withstand a lot of pressure on the thrust, and are very robust all round. If anything it is extra cushioning against heavy cuts that they need, which is why many people overlays, of which many are commercially available. I've not see any plastic visor that I would remotely thrust over mesh.

    • @horkosofdonso7624
      @horkosofdonso7624 6 років тому

      I didn't know that. Thanks, m8.

  • @thelonewanderer1964
    @thelonewanderer1964 6 років тому

    Mike always responds to a shield hit with a counter swing. I'd probably throw a light swing for the shield, then start winding up my shield arm before he even starts his attack, and see if I could deflect his pipe as hard as I could.
    Doubt it'd be effective, or that it'd be as easy as that, but it has the potential to be the most badass disarm anyone's ever seen.

  • @matthewmiles15
    @matthewmiles15 4 роки тому +1

    Guy on the right with radioactive shield vs Guy on the left with burn-damage shield. Interesting.

    • @predictless1009
      @predictless1009 3 роки тому

      Radioactive shield probably deals very low damage over time, but cannot be negated, once applied.

  • @GuTzBorges
    @GuTzBorges 3 місяці тому

    Why they are so passive while holding a shield? I am extremely novice in hema, maybe because i am left-hand but with shild and sword i find much more easy be in constant aggression.

  • @aotwtelevision
    @aotwtelevision 7 років тому

    Wouldn't lateral movement be more effective against a shield than attacking directly forward? I understand that you would want to conserve energy either way but the a shield is designed to lower the chance of a direct hit from a forward and shield arm attacker so wouldn't it make sense to pivot and attack the sword arm?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому +1

      Trouble is the sword and shield are far faster than the body can move and change direction. Lateral movement is useful once closed as we often do, but at wide measure it achieves nothing.

  • @thomas5975
    @thomas5975 6 років тому +1

    I personally think they should’ve invested more points in sneak that way this encounter wouldn’t haven’t happened because the other opponent wouldn’t know what hit em

  • @flippinflitz2773
    @flippinflitz2773 7 років тому

    This is just a question, but how was fighting done with say 100 people charging at each other, this looks very tedious and I don't know how this would work on a battlefield

  • @superangrymonkey9208
    @superangrymonkey9208 6 років тому +1

    Very nice sparring! Sword and shield seem to be the safest and most balanced way to fight (and maybe spear and shield?)

  • @ayyyyylmao
    @ayyyyylmao 7 років тому +1

    Lothric Knight Sword R1 Spam [GONE WRONG]

  • @Balgore8
    @Balgore8 5 років тому

    That larger shield is an obvious advantage but the smaller guy played around it well.

    • @y.k.2143
      @y.k.2143 5 років тому

      well, as an advantage it is, it's also has it's own shortcoming like its weight, the heavier the quicker you get exhausted.

  • @kulasasantos9634
    @kulasasantos9634 7 років тому

    Why dont they block their hand while they swing with the shelid?

  • @v_crimson77
    @v_crimson77 2 роки тому +1

    The Vikings were savages but they never just acted rabid, 10/10, only thing I need to see now is a claymore in action

  • @MediaevalJames
    @MediaevalJames 7 років тому

    Do you have any suggestions for practice swords and shields (preferably a heater), I'm interested in HEMA and the sword and shield style of combat, any help would be greatly appreciated.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому

      Blackfencer are great for synthetic swords, the arming swords we are using are from them. Peter Regenyei for steel training swords.
      These are good for heaters, I have one of theirs. Just make sure it has rawhide on the top edge, or put some on yourself, as the top edge will get chewed up easily otherwise.
      Lastly though, you'll almost never see the heater shield used in HEMA, largely because there are no surviving treatise on them, and because it is a shield of war for armoured combat, and HEMA is almost entirely about unarmoured combat, or full plate (where shields are not used) if armoured combat is done. Nothing stopping using one though.
      www.shieldsplus.co.uk/

    • @MediaevalJames
      @MediaevalJames 7 років тому

      Thanks :)

  • @1realwild
    @1realwild 3 роки тому

    Good match guys, love it 😊👍

  • @arcaneknight9799
    @arcaneknight9799 4 роки тому

    how effective is a shield charge?

  • @T-WJ
    @T-WJ Рік тому +1

    What Swords are these?

  • @flyingpenandpaper6119
    @flyingpenandpaper6119 6 років тому +1

    I think that the best form of one-handed swordfighting would be sword and left gauntlet. I know it's less practical, but it would look much cooler.

  • @alotofthings22
    @alotofthings22 6 років тому

    Hello, I have zero experience in martial arts (armed or otherwise) but I've watched a number of videos from Skallagrim and Scholagladiatoria, and both of them have commented that movies usually depict sword and shield fighting incorrectly because the fighters never cover their sword hand with their shield when they swing and keep it static by their side instead.
    Watching this, I noticed both of them are relatively active with their shields and change stances often, but they still leave their sword arms unprotected while attacking. Doesn't that leave them vulnerable to being disarmed by a counter-attack? If one of them swings, his opponent could block and quickly slash at the wrist.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  6 років тому

      The first thing to consider is the styles we use. As in the description, we practice renaissance sword and shield styles, where there are documented sources, unlike say Viking sword and shield, where we simply don't know how they fought. In renaissance sword styles the sword often does strike independently, and is expected to defend on the outside too. I wouldn't say it leaves them vulnerable to counter attack no, cut to the wrist? maybe, but that in itself can be used to advantage. I love people trying to strike the wrist like that, as a quick disengage over and take their shoulder.

  • @Roderik95
    @Roderik95 8 років тому +1

    Very fun to watch guys! I can see why you would like to use a shield in combat. It seems like the engagements are longer with the shield, or maybe it is just that you guys are quite evenly matched?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  8 років тому +1

      +Roderik Vikström It is a combination of both really. We have fought each other for so many years that we are well matched, and also know each others styles so well. But it is also the shields. Large shields close off so many target zones at once. Subtle disengages and changes of direction can not so easily find targets. Same when you look at rapier and rotella, it is such a strong defensive combination that the number of hits placed decreases substantially over say single rapier or rapier and dagger.
      It is no wonder or surprise that the shield has played such a vital part in the combat history of most of the world.

    • @Roderik95
      @Roderik95 8 років тому

      Academy of Historical Fencing Yeah, man. Exactly. :)

  • @Dominator046
    @Dominator046 8 років тому

    Quick question! Is it out of military sabre, or some other factors, that the two fighters seem to exclusively fight with the shield foot behind the sword foot (what I know from rapier instruction with a local group - but I cannot spell for the life of me)? I know that in numerous buckler treatises, it can go either way, with some preferring the buckler foot forward.
    So, I am just curious as to what I'm seeing; it is still very interesting, and your fighters are very effective.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  8 років тому +1

      +Dominator046 Indeed. I (Nick). predominately teach military sabre and Italian rapier from Capo Ferro (who also teaches shield - rotella), both sources that use right foot forward exclusively. You will occasionally see me use left foot forward in a buckler bout. In sword and buckler and longsword you will see either foot being forward in guard. But it is my experience that when using shields that having the left leg forward makes it too vulnerable. Your left side has to come forward and place more weight on it. It is closer and easier to cut for the opponent, and more difficult to withdraw.

    • @Dominator046
      @Dominator046 8 років тому

      +Academy of Historical Fencing
      Very interesting, and something I will consider as I grow and learn as a HEMA practitioner and general martial artist! Thank you!

  • @sebastianwerzinger8893
    @sebastianwerzinger8893 6 років тому

    looks very good and fit. Do anyone has an adress to buy training/freikampf sword for using in huscarl combat stil?

  • @dubbermagoo43
    @dubbermagoo43 7 років тому

    maybe try out the hinge on the shield as a way of using the shield to block your opponent. Use the shield as the opener and weapon, and the straight sword to finish?

  • @TonyFelony19
    @TonyFelony19 7 років тому

    amazing job guys,may i ask how much did you paid for the protection/armor?

  • @neuclearb0mb
    @neuclearb0mb 7 років тому

    can one of you man tell me what the swords are made out of, for full blown hits so that they wont break or recommend me me one

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому +2

      They are a type of plastic/nylon and are incredibly durable. They are made by a company called Black Fencer in Spain, and can be bought direct from them or a few resellers in other countries.
      www.blackfencer.com/en/

  • @portastormo
    @portastormo 7 років тому

    What does the combat look like if someone had the shield and sword in opposite hands? Is that proper technique even if you have different dominant hands?

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому

      Typically the sword, or spear, or similar, will always be in the dominant hand, and the shield, buckler or dagger be in the offhand. That is how it was taught as far as we have it documented. Of course, what an individual might have chosen to do could mean for variation. There was plenty of variations in practices and methods historically. As for how it would look we do have some fights with right against left handers which result in this situation. It is difficult as it becomes very difficult for both parties to protect and cover as their swords are on the same side and unprotected in many actions _ ua-cam.com/video/ooZzv-R9hEQ/v-deo.html

  • @SeanStark_
    @SeanStark_ 5 років тому

    Where should I buy shields for hema

  • @frankdevivo5072
    @frankdevivo5072 5 років тому

    I enjoyed it but the fighter with the larger red and white sheild is the more technically sound fighter if you notice the man on the left is opening up everytime he throws a strike red and white had multiple opportunities to shred him

  • @nickrl113
    @nickrl113 7 років тому +2

    Shoulda gone for the guard break into unblockable zone attack but this works I guess

  • @Bestialce2007
    @Bestialce2007 7 років тому +1

    Why do they attack the shielded parts of the body? It looks on purpose. If I'm in a duel, I would immediately go for slashing the lower legs or a stab or even the arm sword. Am I mistaken?

    • @Bestialce2007
      @Bestialce2007 7 років тому

      Exactly like the final hit!

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому +5

      There are plenty attacks on both sides of the body, at every height. There are a tonne of thrusts attempted, and a few landed, same goes for legs, same goes for attacks to the sword arm. However, frequently aiming for that target zone closest to the shield can be an advantage, as they rely on the fact that it is protected, and sometimes a shield cannot move quickly enough to cover, particularly as the arms tire. Rest assured, both are constantly going for all kinds of openings.

  • @sirbutthurt2937
    @sirbutthurt2937 7 років тому

    Is it practical and good to use a bastard sword and shield? I'm writing a fantasy novel inspired by swedish medieval history + fantasy where the main character - a woman, though a strong woman, uses that combination.

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  7 років тому

      Yes it is. The whole point of a bastard sword is that it can be used one or two handed, and is therefore useable single handed when on horseback, or with a shield if desired. Just be wary the term is quite broad and can get applied to some swords that are a bit too large to use effectively in one hand.

  • @JohnMcKLV
    @JohnMcKLV 3 місяці тому

    So we don't have any sources on viking sword/board fighting... but how about Scottish broadsword+targe? It seems functionally the same as this.

  • @TumbleTrashOfficial
    @TumbleTrashOfficial 6 років тому

    the guy with little shield has a bit of an advantage, his isn't as heavy so he wont get as tired as fast I don't think.

  • @sauerclout7456
    @sauerclout7456 7 років тому

    What's the diameter on both of those shields?

  • @toutlemondesalut
    @toutlemondesalut 4 роки тому

    You two are so good with a sword that you forget the shield

    • @AcademyofHistoricalFencing
      @AcademyofHistoricalFencing  4 роки тому

      The shields do plenty in this fight, they're just not being used in a very aggressive way, that's mainly because of who is involved and how familiar they are with one another. Check some of our other sword and shield videos though, and you'll find much greater variety, like this for example -
      ua-cam.com/video/NoNiPQUCE8U/v-deo.html

    • @toutlemondesalut
      @toutlemondesalut 4 роки тому

      @@AcademyofHistoricalFencing You're right

  • @xxRipjawsxx
    @xxRipjawsxx 6 років тому

    Where do you get your shields?

  • @mindsliver2245
    @mindsliver2245 7 років тому +2

    I find that the SCA has developed a very effective form of shield combat (several in fact). Of course you can argue with their rule set and use of rattan for a blade analog but if you step in with a good heavy fighter from the SCA, he'll teach you some things about how shields can be used... whether or not the vikings figured it out haha.

  • @jonathanbergeron5833
    @jonathanbergeron5833 6 років тому

    3:37, Nick lands a cut to the arm, blocks the countercut and then hits Mike's head. Very well done.

  • @soda_coir7595
    @soda_coir7595 9 місяців тому +1

    Chernobyl warrior vs peppermint man!
    Fight!

  • @Erotic_Hippo
    @Erotic_Hippo 5 років тому

    I could see two guys in full armor with a sword and shield doing this for a while.

    • @TS-qg7bc
      @TS-qg7bc 5 років тому

      ErraticHippo would almost useless, but with a mace on the other hand