Buffy The Vampire Slayer S07E11/12 ''Showtime/ Potential'' REACTION/COMMENTARY
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Dawn may not be a potential slayer but she's one hell of a potential watcher.
Dawn would make the best Watcher. She was smart and liked schooling almost as much as Willow (until she started skipping). She dabbled in magic and seemed to have a keen interest in learning. She's already been shown to be great at researching monsters. She's had some combat training from Buffy, though it would be nice if they kept it up more. And she already has a great understanding of the Slayer life, having lived with the best Slayer, and has had some raising by the best Watcher.
"Here endeth the lesson" that's just what Spike told Buffy in Fool for love
And what the Master told his order of Vampires in season 1.
Did buffy hear him say that, though? @@arc7375
@arc7375 but buffy didn't hear the master say this.
They’re all callbacks to Sean Connery’s line in “The Untouchables.”
"You're not special. You're extraordinary."
And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why I love Xander. Despite his flaws, his foibles, his missteps, his glaring blind spots -- despite all that, when the world needs saving, or when little sis, or her big sis, really needs to be reassured or comforted, he finds the right words to put them back on their pedestal.
Anytime someone criticizes or even hates Xander I remember this speech.Unfortunately not word for word because,since in S6 they changed his italian voice actor and I *deeply hate* his new voice I haven't rewatched the last seasons as much as I did with most of the previous,but I remember the core concept of the speech and it's amazing.💙 #Justice4Xander
Right there, a new tale begins.
That scene was peak Xander, one of his best moments
HELL YES
Season 7 is all about great speeches and great fights.
Unfortunately not great character/ships development...too many new characters,too little time. X-/
100% in love with him and that's the moment you can see it so openly for the very first time in the show. She's allowed to love him now and she doesn't conceal it anymore, she doesn't need to conceal it because she's not ashamed anymore. She almost lost him that was the turning point.
I had your exact reaction when Buffy saved Spike. She looked at him with pure love ❤
Showtime I thought was one of the best episodes of Series 7. The total faith Spike has in Buffy ' she will come for me' as he is teased and tortured by the First Evil in Buffy's persona shows the total trust they now have in each other. Buffy proves the ultimate power of The Slayer in the fight, giving The Potentials demonstrable proof they can win.
Yep it's my fav also ❤
When they (Spike and Buffy) train these girls you can see that they are good partners. They are equally capibale of fighting and they understand each other, don't even need to talk a lot during it. Unfortinately it was barely used, not enough in my opinion. There could be some really cool fight scenes together.
This season is where Spuffy is a good, caring, giving team... and exactly the relationship Buffy needs. Spike is her equal in power so there's no resentment like with Riley, and he's not brooding and cursed like Angel so their relationship can be a complete one. I think Buffy's relationship with Spike in this season is the first truly adult, honest, and trusting one that she's ever had - and I love it! Sofie is right though, boy do those two be giving off hella sexy vibes!!❤
@@Kayjee17 I like their relationship in this season too. It's nice to see it like this after everything that's been there. But I regret that they didn't have enough time since it was the end. They had to show a lot about the big bad and the final battle etc since that's the series finale. And I am not interested in that, they had these big bads every year, they always come and go, it doesn't matter to me.
To me the story of these two will always be a story that had huge potential, but was not used properly. They deserved so much more. Despite how hard the series was promoting Angel he just played another daddy of hers, always trying to be patronizing, someone who thinks that he knows better what is good for you. But who ran away too eventually. And since she was a teenager who grew up without a father she had a thing for that. But she is not a teenager anymore. It's time to grow out of this.
And Riley was just like some neighbor guy who can be nice but he is not your guy. And they were pushing both of them for her so hard. While Spike was the only one who actually can be an equal partner. Even Sarah said that at some point. That he's the only one who can understand her. He can be her 'daddy' too but in completely different way. Despite all the crap they threw at him and their story it was still rivaled the most romanticized story they've created (with Angel). It tells you how strong it was and what potential it had.
Faith is technically the actual slayer. Buffy activated kendra. When kendra died it activated Faith. So with them bringing Buffy back was destiny. Death was her gift. A moment of heaven for being eatths protector.
"Here endeth the lesson" same thing spike said in season 5 fool for love
Originally said by The Master in season 1.
@@arc7375 episode 5?
We don't really know how the slayer line works anymore. Even the characters don't. Yes, after Buffy's initial, natural death (in Prophecy Girl), the slayer line moved to Faith. That is why Buffy didn't get another replacement slayer after her 2nd death (in The Gift). But The First started rising because of Buffy's magical resurrection by Willow. And it's a real possibility that the spell reinstated Buffy in the line. That would ensure there would ALWAYS be 2 slayers from now on, thereby shifting the balance between good and evil. And that would give The First motivation/ability to wage this war.
When Buffy died Kendra was called, when Kendra died Faith was called. The line went through Faith now. Buffy wasnt "the slayer" anymore just a slayer. Her second dead did nothing to the slayer line. Bringing Buffy back activated her again, thats what messed up the slayer line and made the first being able to attack.
Xander and Dawn's conversation was so touching. And so whedonish.
I always took it as when they brought back Buffy the 2nd time, it reignited the slayer line through her. Now there are 2 slayer lines. 1 though Faith and 1 through Buffy. That's why the First Evil is mad lol. The way they brought Buffy back the 2nd time, the spell they did, restarted her slayer line.
Yeah that have always been my headcanon. Evidence of this is #1 Spike could suddenly hurt her without the chip complaining (and perhaps it only works on pure humans, not slayers, Spike never hit another slayer once he got his chip so we don't know). #2 the disturbance that happened by resurrecting her the second time and #3 Willow resurrected Buffy using magic and used the words "THE warrior of the people" in her spell.
Xander-"Maybe I should get a cape."
I know what Edna from The Incredibles would say. "No cape!"
10:37 Not just about binging her back to life - Xander did that at the end of Season 1 as well using conventional means without impacting the Slayer line. It's bringing her back with magic that caused the problem.
It's a bit of a grey area - intentionally ambiguous. The First appears in S03 specifically to get Angle to kill Buffy. In that season, when Faith appears, it confirms that the Slayer line is going through her. There's two slayers, but if Buffy's dead, it's back to one. However, what if Faith were able to "loophole" it the same way Buffy did - dying, activating another Slayer, and then coming back - would there then be 3 slayers? Is there a potential for, maybe, multiple slayers? I think you can read it as the First starting to ponder that back in S03, as a result of Buffy's first death creating the "anomaly" of 2 Slayers at once.
well I for one believe that it goes beyond just bringing her back with power, in the spell that Willow used there was the line "THE warrior of the people" so my head-canon is that Willow accidentally brought her back as The Slayer again, and the simultaneous existence of two active slayers at the same time is what opened the door for the first.
@@Henrik_Holst I like that idea, too ... but I still think there's a key in her first death. When Giles asks the Eye why now, the Eye implies that the First is responding to something specific that changed the order of things. That change definitely could be a result of her magical return, but I still get stuck on the First's appearance in S03. When Giles asks the question, he also mentions the First having had this power all along, so why didn't it act on it earlier? In the context of the question's framing like that, it implies to me that the First began its activities in S03, so after Buffy's first death.
But I love hearing other takes on this - it's is one of my fave unanswered Buffyverse questions to discuss!
@@AaronHunter good point. It tried to get Buffy killed by way of Angel back in S3 and it must have had a reason to do so, but if it already back then had the opening it needed (the disturbance in the Slayer line) then why no hunt of potentials, no move against Faith and no attack on the council.
Perhaps the Beljoxa's Eye, by being a demon, isn't 100% trustworthy or it does not really see all that is claims it can.
Or perhaps the first simply had it in for Buffy since start, took the opening of Angels return to get rid of her and that this was completely disconnected with what happens now.
Or perhaps it was more a move to get rid of Angel (the first probably have a stake at the outcome of the final fight against evil where a vampire with a soul is to play a key role).
@@Henrik_Holst well...in amends we got some eyeless goons..maybe the first needed hands..and it took time to create a army of eyeless and cale....lalala its only a few years since her first death...the first cant touch...it has to coerce ...like with angel it takes time to break someone..
The Bojox's Eye says that the mystic forces surrounding the slayer was disturbed - so maybe the way they brought Buffy back, specifically calling back "the warrior of the people" disrupted the slayer line again...
"i like kennedy"
instant upvote. she gets so much undeserved shit from "fans". among other things, kennedy is an inexperienced buffy without the unjustified confidence issues. she kicks ass.
YES!! True. Thank you
She is very bad written character, un-symphatetic and she has not a good chemiistry with Willow.
An inexperienced Buffy?
Probably, but she has not what makes Buffy special.
@@yourfluffyvegancinnamonrol2772
You are Three!? 😮😮
@@DaveVampireSlayer
you think men can be slayers; your opinions are invalid, dave.
@@sirmoonslosthismind
I did not said nothing about this.
Only that Kennedy is a bad written character
He may have saved the world from Dark Willow, also helped saved the world when he prevented the bomb going off, but i still think his speech to Dawn is his finest moment.
And he saved Buffy in Prophecy Girl!
The final scene of Potential is one of my favorites in the entire series. Not just Xander's speech, but Dawn's reaction. Michelle Trachtenberg in closeup is absurdly beautiful and touching.
The way I think it works is this. Buffy died for a few minutes and Kendra was called. Kendra died, so Faith was called. With Faith's activation, it's now her death that would trigger a new Slayer being called. Buffy is out of the loop for now. Buffy sacrificed herself and died but no Slayer was activated because Faith is still alive and it's her death that will trigger the next Slayer. (Although this is kinda contradicted by Buffy in season 6 who says to Giles something like "why am I back, another Slayer would have been called" - although that doesn't make sense to me for the reasons I have mentioned - a, Faith is the" active Slayer" and b, why was it taking so long after Buffy's death for a new Slayer to be activated if that were the case)...
Anyway, bringing Buffy back effectively "reset" her ability for a Slayer to be called if she died AGAIN. So, by killing all the potentials first, if Faith dies, there isn't a Potential to activate. And with all the potentials dead, killing Faith means it's only Buffy left. The last Slayer. Kill her, and evil has free reign. And somehow, which isn't really explained, but explained in a small sort of way by the eye, Buffy's rebirth altered the Slayer line, making it unstable. What that means was left quite
vague. Maybe it allowed the First to be able to now "sense" who the potentials are? I did used to wonder how the Potentials were identified in general by the Watchers Council (I've always wondered how the Watchers Council were able to locate and train Potentials like Kendra, Kennedy etc, like how'd they know who has a chance of being called? I'm guessing magic. But if they know who a Potential slayer is I also wonder why Buffy and Faith weren't trained in advance before they were potentially activated). Anyway, I assume Buffy coming back somehow exposed the Slayer line and left it open and vulnerable for those with power like the first to be able to sense them? Idk.
I hope I have explained it right. I don't know if others agree with my explaination but feel free to correct me if I have explained anything wrong.
canon has always been that the council locates "most" potentials (probably thru magic) but it's imperfect and some fall thru the cracks.
i'm not aware of anything definitive on exactly how buffy's return changed the slayer line.
Potential was an interesting episode with Buffy and Spike giving The Potentials practical training, and eventually locking them in the crypt with a real live Vampire. We see as well Dawn, and the other Scoobies thinking that she is another potential. Of course we are led to believe this, but it in fact Amanda who has the power, and starts to use it. Dawn feels sidelined now, and a brilliant ending scene with Xander and Dawn when he reassures her how important she is to the group. It's really from here that the arc of the show builds towards the Finale.
'I like Kennedy' ohhh that's a controversial take 😅
A take that I approve and appreciate and I'm glad to hear!👍🖤 #Justice4Kennedy
@@Nicamon agreed, it's only controversial to the people who are wrong about her :P
@@Nicamon 💯
@@jeffkoenig7402Wrong about hee?
She is very bad written!
@@DaveVampireSlayer thank you for the comment, I needed my dose of irony.
I hit "like" and I subscribed long ago but there is something I do not say enough. You rock! You are not just a special reactor. You're extraordinary.
Yes, something about Sophie just hits different
Nicely said!
7x12 It's not just the Scoobies who don't trust Buffy's _slayng skills_ over the years. Now we have the SIT's doing so, as well. At least with the Scoobies (most of the time) it was less direct.
7x13 I love the teacher/student style of this episode with Spike and Buffy teaching and mentoring the SIT's. The look on the SIT's faces when they realizes what kind of drinks are in the bar and what Buffy and Spike's past is ("comfy") always gets me.
I love this. This was the first time I saw Felicia Day!
- "Here endeth the lesson!" is the same line that Spike used in 5x07 and The Master in 1x05. I love this!
- When Buffy was almost killed by the Turok-Han she was upset, she had just returned from 48h without sleep, and broken by the Potential's death. This time Buffy, however, was ready and prepared was phisically and mentally ready, focused on the goal of demonstrating to Potentials that the battle can be won..... and she won! This is a very wondeful way to demonstrate that Buffy is an almost invicible super-heroine when she is in her best condition.
- The moment where Buffy saved Spike is amazing because no words were needed between them!
The joy of Spike, who doesn't even believe it's true that she really came for him, and Buffy's love-filled eyes are enough to deeply mark our hearts. So is Buffy in love with Spike?
She certainly loves him, but maybe we're not at the last step yet.
- Dawn is not a Potential and this is sad, but she remains Buffy'sister and she has a wonderful heart, full of courage and love, like Buffy. And Xander despite his hundreds of defect is always the most human of the Gang. He is a hero, like Buffy, but in a different way :)
Buffy was clearly in love with Spike . She even say "why everybody in this house think im still IN LOVE with Spike" and Willow was looking shock because of the way she said it
Ah, the contrast. "It's this end, right here. You stick that in the bad guys." And there's Arya's "Stick 'em with the pointy end." And of course, Zoe, about the Cap'n: "I think he knows which end to hold."
Also Hook in"Once Upon a Time".🙄💢
Here endeth the lesson is something the master said in season 1. Xanders speech is so interesting. It really says a lot about his character and why he is the way he is. 2 really good episodes!
22:50
That's the part that annoyed me about season 7.
Everybody says that Buffy has to die for a new slayer to be called but that's just NOT true - we know that for a fact because there's no third slayer running around since her second death. It's Faith who has to die for a new slayer to be activated.
Unless the way Willow and Co. brought Buffy back made something with the slayer line and made Buffy the/an active slayer again, somehow. (That might tie into the question why the First Evil is so powerful/active now but not after Buffy being revived the first time.)
But if that's the case, the show completely fails to explain that and all it does is making me scream at my screen "No, that's not true!"...
They brought Buffy out of "heaven" this time, that's what open the gates of hell. Doors goes both way.
Kennedy gets more flak than she deserves I think. Meanwhile to me, Rhona is at least as bad as the First's fake Eve...
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If Buffy's first death was the problem, the First would've moved against the slayer line back then. As the Master said, it was written; but he also said prophecies were tricky creatures, and there was nothing about her coming back. Things changed, but they didn't break; until the mayor brought it up, we assumed things would go back to normal whenever Buffy died. (I think there was a fanfic in which Faith died, was resuscitated, and they started doing it on purpose whenever they found the next one, until there was a whole Slayer squad.) Point is, it's the *resurrection* that's the problem. Willow *broke* Buffy's fate, and the First was ready for it.
Watching Dawn grow up a little certainly helped her character development... even though it involved her running away from home yet again...
Buffy dying a second time, it's just the whole thing fixing itself, like to put an example, the people in Final Destination dies anyway. They are meant to. So, Buffy dying a second time was how the magic was going back to how the line should be. And that's what the Scoobies interrupted and, unintentionally, created two lines.
These are two of my favorite episodes this season.
Yeah, I've always though it was a plot hole that another slayer wasn't activated the 2nd time Buffy died.
the first time buffy died it was like a hiccup..she was dead for minutes or seconds, enough for the mojo to skip and activate kendra...but the second time she was dead for half a year..and her mojo disappeared..then when she got back it was ripped out from mojo valhala and made a tear.. Slayer powers are not a buff , it combines with the person...thats why she had it post first death..if it was like an entity then when kendra was activated buffy should be a normal human. i guess if her second death was like the first one then the first wouldnt be able to do what it does.. The magic that brought buffy back ripped out the mojo out of its source..
Sofie's already finish the show, so this is not a spoiler for her: 5:02 great idea!! 😆
22:31 It bugged me too that the characters forgot or didn't realize that no new Slayer came from Buffy dying in S5. With all the Potential talk they do sometimes mention Faith but they don't seem to think it though.
Ты прекрасна, о Соффи... для меня Ты - Богиня!😇🙏🙏🙏🧎♂️
I hate these potentials sooooooo much.
Not Andrew slowly becoming my new fav 🤣🤣🤣
Lol, he just kinda worms his way in, doesn’t he?🤣
the magical resurection brought Buffy back in the line of slayers. That's why the First found the opportunity to eliminate the potentials
Buffy coming back to life is what gave the First an opportunity to destroy the Slayer line. Having died, the First could take her form. And with her being alive again, the First could make a switch, with the others still thinking it was the real Buffy.
The Scoobies, having known Buffy a lot longer than the Potentials, would probably realize that something was up, though.
Eh, I doubt they would realize something was up with Buffy. Giles, Willow, and Xander didn't realize that Faith did a body switch with Buffy in season 4. Only Tara knew something was off, and she never met Buffy beforehand. Then, in season 5, NONE OF THEM realized that Buffy was a Buffybot even though the gang was able to tell right away that Warren's ex was a robot just a few episodes prior to that😂
Agreed! Kennedy is pretty cool ^^
I always thought Buffy's second resurrection messed with the slayer line (and therefore allowed the First Evil to act) because instead of the first time magic was involved. Plus, she was dead for a much longer time than the first time.
But I think you're not wrong either and the plain existence of two slayers already messed up the slayer line.
After Buffy was brought back to life the first time the First Evil already showed itself (season 3) but it looks like it wasn't able to do much back then. But reviving Buffy appears to have been enough to stir up the First Evil.
When Buffy was resurrected by Willow and the others much more force (= magical power) was needed.
I think that messed with the balance between good and evil enough to open some sort of gate for the First Evil to really take action.
I got an A plus in one of my film an video classes breaking down this scene in terms of character growth
Showtime & Potential are two of my favorite episodes from the final season, with Buffy showing the Potentials/Slayerettes that the uber vamp can be killed. Then Dawn thinking about what it could mean for her to be a Slayer (that Buffy might be dead again) and then ending up briefly mentoring the girl who actually is a potential, with Xander's talk about what it's like to be the one who the vampires & demons for the most part ignore whenever the Slayer is around.
I love buffys potential speech ❤
Yeah, the show kinda forgot about it's own lore in this one. You're right - If Buffy dies, nothing should happen because she already died and passed it onto Faith. Faith would have to die for a new slayer to be called.
I don't think Dawn can be a Potential Slayer. She was made by monks, not Divinely chosen or assigned a special Fate. The monks just aren't that powerful. So, while she IS Special, she's not That kind of special. And as for the First Evil's comment that the line of the Slayers is "unstable," he could be lying, or giving us his perspective on not being able to go back to dealing with only one Slayer per generation. (Or it could be elements of Willow's spell.)
Yes, I enjoyed your reactions to two of the best episodes of TV ever. Showtime is The Most EPIC episode of television EVER! And the end of the episode Potential is just so Very heartwarming. Great stuff. I hope you're having a good day.
Buffy's second death was mystical not natural. Not sure if that would trigger another Slayer. The lore always pointed to Faith being the line.
I look forward to this every week!
Buffy and Dawn sharing the same blood makes it hard to believe that Dawn couldn't be a potential. The only thing I can think of is that the monks were somehow able to create Dawn without accessing the Slayer part of Buffy's blood.
After all being the Slayer was never a matter of"blood".The Slayers are activated randomly,not from a single family.
@@Nicamon not to mention Dawn technically isn't human and has a whole other set of mystical "DNA" in her origin story.
I like the writer's choice for the show to treat her like a regular person after season 5 instead of making her some new kind of supernatural warrior a la Fred, but that doesn't mean there's wasn't the option for Dawn's mystical origin to play out differently, or, technically, for that origin to actually prevent her from being a slayer just as much as it could have made her one.
In the end the whole thing could have gotten really convoluted and we wouldn't have gotten Xander's speech, so I don't overthink it and just stay glad we got the story we got.
After she saved him she needs to wrap him in a blanket, bring him some cocoa, lie down next to him and pat him on the head
You're right, the Slayer line of succession should go through Faith. This show is ignoring that for whatever reason.
Dawn should be a potential because she was literally made out of Buffy (not just her blood). I thought when Buffy died the show should've made Dawn a Slayer, at least until they brought Buffy back.
Most people seem to be theorizing that bringing Buffy back through magical means allowed her to become a 2nd line for slayers, which is one of the reasons the first is able to do this.
I don't dislike the idea of the SIT's. Yes, they're annoying, but I think I could tolerate that if they were just a little more interesting as individuals. I sometimes think that it was the casting director that let the show down. That's an odd thing to say, since up to now one of the strengths of BtVS (and Angel) was how they could grab your interest in even a minor character by finding the right actor. I did like the character of Amanda from the time she first showed up in Buffy's office, but most of the rest come across poorly and I think it's the actresses. The one playing Eve was so noticeably bad I was relieved that she was killed off.
In my opinion the first evil was always gonna try to take over the world we've seen it in an earlier season plotting to get rid of Buffy, because that's what evil does. So we can argue that Buffy is the anomaly that provoked this or that it was her destiny to come back and fight it, one slayer wouldn't be enough to win that fight. Buffy and her gang have saved many potentials and are training them, so of course the first evil would come out to try to end her and plant seeds causing conflict in the group. Buffy is its biggest threat. Many characters had that existential crisis feeling useless, Willow, Xander, Giles, etc. Dawn just had to fin out what her thing was.
If buffy dies a new slayer is not called. Faith has to die for a new slayer to be called. You’re right. The characters are just forgetting about Faith
The mystical magic that activates the Slayer is in a state of flux - this is what allows the First to capitalise on it and attempt to raise an Army, but it isn't clear if it needs to kill Faith or Buffy to activate a new one (or if both will separately activate a new slayer), because the First isn't sure how the rules will continue, it is sparing both Buffy and Faith until later, it knows Faith is contained (and at present not a direct threat to it) while killing Buffy could activate a new slayer and it would be in exactly the same position. Its Endgame is to hunt down EVERY potential slayer, kill them and then when it kills Faith and Buffy (in any order), it won't matter which one (or both) activates a Slayer because the magic won't be able to activate anyone. Then after killing all potentials AND both slayers - it would have destroyed the entire Slayer line forever.
Xander, dawns big brother ❤🎉
Viewers were sure fooled in episode 12, weren't they? No matter how much we wanted it, Dawn turned out not to be a potential after all.
And it was so convincing because of her being created from Buffy. What a twist!
My problem with Showtime is that we're led to believe that Buffy has figured out something, that she's got some unexpected strategy that will now enable her to defeat the supervamp. But at the end she just fights him again, only this time she wins. What did she do differently? Nothing, as far as we can see. I was expecting some clever twist that would show us why, but we never got it, so I was baffled and a little let down.
When Buffy came across that vamp, she wasn't sleeping. She was running on exhaustion. That's how it beat her so easily. So this time, she was more rested and prepared to fight the vamp.
The Baljoxas Eye actually creates one of my biggest pet peeves with this Season as its never brought up again later. I like this Season but my god its messy.
It's been ~20 years and I'm still not sure if they should have made Dawn a potential slayer or not.
I like what they did, but I'm not sure if I would have liked potential Dawn more. 🤔
Felicia Day!
No you're right the first time it is tied to faith
The only episode I actually liked Xander...
I know it's controversial, but I like season 7 storyline, I just don't like the Potentials. And Buffy is THE BEST.
You love Buffy? GREAT 💖
You love Spuffy? VERY GOOD ❤
You likes Dawn? AGREED 😘
You likes Kennedy?! Eeeehm....
Why???
Season 7 is why I’m a diehard Spuffy shipper, I can’t deny it😅
I mean, their friendship is cute by the end, but she doesn't love him.
At least you're not a Spuffy shipper because of some previous season. That would have been bad!!X-P
@@Nicamon Haha. Yeah. I'm not a Spuffy fan, but I can get behind anyone who becomes one because of S7. But the people who see S6 and think it's a good thing and something to support - even before Seeing Red - worry me a little . Like, I can understand enjoying the arc itself (I don't, I hate seeing Buffy suffer so I can't stand it, but there are plenty of people who find Hurt/No Comfort cathartic) but when I see people portray it as a positive relationship and something to aspire to IRL, it gets concerning.
@@Nicamon For sure!😂 But in all seriousness, if “Angel” and “Angelus” are considered two different beings because of the presence or lack of a soul, so should souled and soulless Spike. And it’s definitively the former being I ship with Buffy.
@@xyex I would say the way it’s depicted leaves it ambiguous and open to interpretation either way. I personally interpret it that she does, but I understand those who disagree.
The whole idea that Buffy being resurrected is what makes the slayer line “vulnerable” never made any kind of sense to me.
There has always been one active slayer, and many, many potential slayers. The First could have simply identified and hunted down potential slayers whenever it wanted. Having Buffy resurrected again doesn’t make a difference, despite the show stating it somehow does.
I think the show just needed to present any tenuous reason to further the story and end the series. And never actually elaborated any further.
It doesn’t make sense.
Unless someone can explain it to me? Obviously please put spoilery things in spoilers.
But yeah. It makes no sense, and the show deliberately never elaborated further on it, almost acknowledging it makes no sense, but to just go with it.
You pick up on something a lot of people don't. Anya blames herself and Xander and Willow, but the First is able to show up in season 3 and bring back Angel at that. This all started from the season 1 finale, not the season 6 premiere. That's what threw the Slayer line off and gave the First a chance to affect the Slayer line like this.
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@@Heldemon This is absolutely the case. The entire show centers around this Slayer being the first one to buck tradition, fight the patriarchy, and defy expectation and fate because she refuses to give up herself or her friends, family, and relationships.
The season 1 finale is where that comes to a head, Prophecy Girl, where she fulfills her prophecy to die and a new slayer is called. Any other slayer, her story would end there.
But the reason there's a show about Buffy and not any of the Slayers before or after her in the endless line is because she has friends, Xander and Angel, who bring her back.
It's at that point where the power imbalance starts. The Slayer line is now twice as strong, the balance is thrown off. And the backlash to that imbalance, to having two slayers in the world, is in the opposing force of evil getting that much stronger.
Buffy's death in season 6 didn't change any power dynamics at all, no new slayer was called. No prophecy was subverted. And the First was already well along the way at that point.
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Caleb talks about working with the First to kill potentials for years. Something that doesn't track at all if Buffy's resurrection in S6 was the catalyst, as S7 takes place only a few months after that point in the timeline.
00:32 - 00:33 Kennedy.🖤Most unfairly underappreciated Buffyverse character ever! #Justice4Kennedy 11:50 - 11:51 Yeah,me too!!😎🖤 00:59 - 01:02 Relatable.🤭😅
04:17 - 05:41 Re-listening to this dialoge I've realized the blonde chick is doing everything she can to make everyone doubt themselves and keep the moral down. And considering she's the First...that's probably a good strategy. But,as a pessimist,I must admit that's probably very similar to what _I_ would to...bring out all the flaws and the problems and all sort of things that could go wrong either to give the others the chance to think of a solution or to be mentally prepared in case things _actually_ go wrong.
12:54 - 12:56 😎💛 15:31 - 15:39 I'd call that"compassion"more than"love",but...points of view,I guess. I can't be sure.🤷♂
25:14 Clem!!☺💗 29:30 - 30:22 Xander's highest moment.💙I'm disappointed I haven't learned this speech by heart. All because of Xander's new voice actor!X-[[[
As an English person, I want to simply state how godawful _atrocious_ the potential slayer’s accent is.
It’s like, Dick van Dyke in Mary Poppins level of bad. Except way worse - at least Dick van Dyke was charismatic and likeable.
11:20 - No, it's the magic. It's the second resurrection that caused the problem. You'll note that Buffy's death in S5 didn't activate a new Slayer, because she wasn't in the line anymore. But everyone, even the First, believes her death now WOULD activate a new Slayer. Which means her resurrection put her back in the line when she shouldn't be there.
11:50 - Doubt that opinion will last long. She's horrible. Probably the most universally hated character in the show.
15:32 - She's not in love with him. She's said it, many many times. She'll say it many more. The writers make it very clear by the end. She cares about him, a lot (what he's done for her, how could she not?) but she doesn't love him. Not romantically.
30:20 - Xander's speech to Dawn is one of my favorite moments in S7.
This comment will only be my opinion, I can understand what you're saying, and also others.
But... What I think is, that we have no proof that no slayer was activated at Buffy's death in season five. I understand a lot of people think Faith is the one carrying the slayer line. And I can understand parts of it/why. But we can't say for sure, because there are things that contradicts that in the show, and there is no real proof of it.
- When Buffy died in season 5, we didn't see a slayer, yes. But we didn't see Kendra for a long time after Buffy's death in season 1 ! She was activated and we had no idea ! And we wouldn't have if she didn't come to Sunnydale. Who's to say, that there isn't a slayer somewhere else in the world, and she has a lot to deal with, even a hell mouth and just didn't show up in Sunnydale ? (Especially with how it ended for the last two slayers who came to Sunnydale...) Plus, like you said, everyone seems to think Buffy's death will activate a new slayer. They say it a lot, but that's not new. They were saying it before she died in season 5, and even with Kendra or Faith already activated. Buffy told her mom in season 2, when she was about to fight Angelus, they said it when the council tested her against Kravick...
- Also, Willow's spell called her 'THE warrior of the people' aka THE slayer, and it worked. She was brought back. So it means she's considered to be the slayer, not only by her friends, but also the god Osiris.
- Buffy's powers are also what make me think she is still carrying the line (along with Faith). Because she is stronger than Faith, for what we've seen. She also has the dreams, but Faith doesn't have them (if she had, she would have seen the same things as Buffy aka the First killing the potentials. But she didn't, since she said it herself, she knew something was happening only because she was attacked by someone with a knife. Never saw the deaths Buffy saw, never said she had any slayer dreams, ever. Kendra didn't either !).
- My idea on this was always that it is indeed the magic that caused the disruption, allowing the first to act and attack the slayer line. Not because she carries the slayer line again (because in my opinion she always has been), but because THIS time, it wasn't natural. Last time, Buffy got saved by human means. It was natural and in the order of things. That first time, Buffy wanted to live even if she sacrificed herself. And she was brought back very fast, with no magic involved. But this time, it's different. Willow forced fate, she partially changed the way the slayer line works by bringing her back. Buffy was not dead for a few seconds. She was dead for months, she was in heaven. Her journey was over, and she was finished. Buffy said it, the first slayer said it when saying "death is your gift". By changing that, she disrupted the slayer line. Because that time, Buffy was actually finished. Not only because she was in heaven, but also because she wanted to be there, and chose to sacrifice with peace of mind.
@@Sytrylt I get what you're saying, but I think it was Willow's phrasing in the resurrection spell that made Buffy part of the succession line again. She didn't summon back just Buffy, she summoned back *the Slayer.*
As for the lack of a third Slayer, if one HAD existed they would have come up during S7. The First was attacking the entire line. A third Slayer would have been targeted. If they were killed, another potential would have been activated. If they weren't, they would have come to, or been sent to, Sunnydale for the war. The lack of any reference to them tells me they don't exist.
@@xyex I get what you mean. But in my mind the words of the spell are meant to "direct" the spell. To make known who she wants to resurrect more than how she wants to ressurect her. If that makes sense ?
I also get what you mean about a New slayer and her not being here in season 7. But it's still conjectures to me. Especially when other things suggest the opposite. Also with the slayer line being messed up by Buffy's ressurection who's to say that a new slayer was not affected by that ? I mean, i she was called because buffy died, But then buffy's not dead because of magic making the slayer line week... what if Buffy took her power back making her a potential again ? One that Buffy saw dying ? What if that's part of how the slayer line has been affected ?
I trully think all those theories are possible and that makes it even better, in my opinion ^^.
@@Sytrylt That... is an interesting idea, actually. I don't think it's likely, but it's interesting. We have only limited information - the show was more concerned about the what than the how or why - but from what we do have I still think the most likely scenario is Willow framed the spell as wanting Buffy the Slayer back, and not just Buffy the person (who happened to be a Slayer), and so got a "new" Slayer in the bargain. But, with the limited info we have there's no way to confirm that one way or the other.
You skipped two Angel episodes, according to the watch order.
"I love Kennedy", well, each to their own? Who else totally ships Damanda?
Literally everyone who watched the show and knows the lore knows that it's Faith that holds the slayer line, and it's Faith that has to die to activate the next slayer, but season 7 _insists_ that it's Buffy despite all evidence to the contrary. Amateur new writers is probably the reason.
Except this episode just told us the rules changed. Faith *was* the only one who could activate a new Slayer, pre S6. Then Willow brought Buffy back, and now she can, too.
There's no new writers. Whedon's less involved, but Marti and Jane have been around from the start. You're just overlooking facts.
The “Extraordinary” scene with Dawn and Xander at the end of the episode gets immensely creepy when you remember that Joss Whedon confirmed that Xander is his self-insert character, and that he tried to sexually assault Michelle Trachtenburg when she was still a minor when on the show.
Please,don't taint 1 of Xander's best scenes with real life facts that aren't really correlated. X-[
i've seen vague insinuations that whedon wasn't allowed to be alone with trachtenberg, but there are many possible explanations of that. we don't have to jump to the worst possible interpretation. unless there's actually something more substantial from someone in a position to know?
@@sirmoonslosthismind It was confirmed by members of the staff.
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The awful accents in season 7 make it so hard to watch.
I concur.
Funny. I watched the series mostly dubbed in Italian and for me what makes S6&7 particularly hard to re-watch is that they changed Xander's voice actor and I *HATE* his new voice. So..not a matter of _accent_ really,but still a matter of _voice._ X-[
Ahh no, plz don't like Kennedy. She is so annoying
No,please, *DO* like Kennedy!!The fandom has hated her too much for too long for no real reason!! #Justice4Kennedy 🖤
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there's two kinds of people -- those that love kennedy, and those that are wrong.