0:17: ⚡ Rupert Spira's early exposure to nonduality and spiritual teachings shaped his interest in the spiritual path. 6:22: ⚖ Conflict between love of Truth and beauty, struggle to integrate teachings and artistic ambitions. 11:31: ⚖ Discussion on the lack of traditional devotion in the direct path to truth. 17:02: ⚡ Rupert Spira discusses the absence of spiritual materialism in his meetings and the focus on happiness and self-discovery. 22:22: ⚖ Lack of ego in the community of truth seekers, focus on sincerity and truth seeking. 28:05: ⭐ Exploring inner peace through self-identity transformation amid suffering and world challenges. 34:35: ⚡ Importance of recognizing new age misconceptions around the direct path in teaching non-duality. 39:46: 💡 Understanding of shared being eliminates need for teachings in religious and spiritual traditions. 45:08: 🌟 Fulfillment lies within us, not in external experiences; hoping for external enlightenment leads to disappointment. Recapped using Tammy AI
An interesting talk. Rupert and I both had the same teacher in Dr Francis Roles and we both studied Ouspensky, Advaita Vedanta and Rumi`s Mevlevi tradition together for many years. For myself what we studied was both fully inward and outward looking and complete. Both Dr Roles and our non dual guide the Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati said that the quickest route to realisation was through developing our talents and the things we love. This approach really appealed to me as an artist as I so love things of beauty and I love the dance of life. So from this perspective: living your life and Self Realisation are not seen as two separate things.
Just because the self is impermanent and constantly changing, it doesn't mean it isn't there. Like the old tale says: "Don't believe the absurd, no matter who says it" - quoted by Jack Kornfield
The “self” is real only in that it is a collection of thoughts feelings and perceptions but there is nothing in between that rising and falling phenomena that we assume is there
Some groups are like that , on repeat: " there's no one here, nothing to do " or " we're spiritual beings having a human experience" might as well tell me to go to a cave and never come out. I still like form. I enjoy it. I actually was kindly asked to leave once for saying that.
@@MarkStevenMatousek where did I say he spread those cliches? I'm not talking about Rupert, it's a reference he makes about some new age groups round mid video.
In the final analysis, when the so called journey is from "me" to "I", we recognize that this "journey" is along a path-less path, there is neither direct nor indirect path. Understanding in its final culmination should end in "seeing" this fact.
i also think it is dangerous to say to people there is nothing to do because you are totally disregarding how they feel.it could put them into a mental health crisis. I'm an artist too and i had the same problem with devotional practice. i have a love of perception and experience and artists have direct enquiry into subject object relationship.
That's true, but I think that's a risk that any subversive and novel message carries in its time. People will misunderstand no matter how hard you try. You can add some disclaimers or explicitly point out things you do not imply, but at the end of the day, the way a message is taken depends on the receiver as much as (if not more than) it does on the sender.
Consciousness is an emergent property of a complex brain. The brain creates the mind, which creates the self, I, and me. In reality, there is no self, I, nor me. There never has been a self, I, or me, nor ever will be. It’s all a story. It’s that simple. No looking, seeking, nor pathway required.
@pattyronco4217 no, it is awareness that observes the phenomenon arising and the Ego saying, this is me, mine, self, but it's not as it us dependent on something else to appear whereas awareness is always present and doesn't change or is dependent on anything.
@@sunbeam9222 He's made a good point. It's a new path because it seems, with respect, a path of with a mishmash of traditions, but with a modern branding. As the presenter said it, it can become a very commercialised approach. He says that at 17: 11
Super fascinating to hear Rupert’s story and perspectives outside what I am used to hearing! Thanks 🙏🏻
Grateful to Mark and Rupert for this very profound dialogue. 🙏
0:17: ⚡ Rupert Spira's early exposure to nonduality and spiritual teachings shaped his interest in the spiritual path.
6:22: ⚖ Conflict between love of Truth and beauty, struggle to integrate teachings and artistic ambitions.
11:31: ⚖ Discussion on the lack of traditional devotion in the direct path to truth.
17:02: ⚡ Rupert Spira discusses the absence of spiritual materialism in his meetings and the focus on happiness and self-discovery.
22:22: ⚖ Lack of ego in the community of truth seekers, focus on sincerity and truth seeking.
28:05: ⭐ Exploring inner peace through self-identity transformation amid suffering and world challenges.
34:35: ⚡ Importance of recognizing new age misconceptions around the direct path in teaching non-duality.
39:46: 💡 Understanding of shared being eliminates need for teachings in religious and spiritual traditions.
45:08: 🌟 Fulfillment lies within us, not in external experiences; hoping for external enlightenment leads to disappointment.
Recapped using Tammy AI
An interesting talk. Rupert and I both had the same teacher in Dr Francis Roles and we both studied Ouspensky, Advaita Vedanta and Rumi`s Mevlevi tradition together for many years. For myself what we studied was both fully inward and outward looking and complete. Both Dr Roles and our non dual guide the Shankaracharya Shantananda Saraswati said that the quickest route to realisation was through developing our talents and the things we love. This approach really appealed to me as an artist as I so love things of beauty and I love the dance of life. So from this perspective: living your life and Self Realisation are not seen as two separate things.
Thank you so much for this
Thanks.
Just because the self is impermanent and constantly changing, it doesn't mean it isn't there. Like the old tale says: "Don't believe the absurd, no matter who says it" - quoted by Jack Kornfield
The “self” is real only in that it is a collection of thoughts feelings and perceptions but there is nothing in between that rising and falling phenomena that we assume is there
the Self is complete unchanging ! otherwise it would not be infinite . Only the sense of a person is changing ! You , the Self are unchanging !
Wonderful 🙏
❤
Thanks. I hope you'll follow my page! Lots of other great interviews there.
Some groups are like that , on repeat: " there's no one here, nothing to do " or " we're spiritual beings having a human experience" might as well tell me to go to a cave and never come out. I still like form. I enjoy it. I actually was kindly asked to leave once for saying that.
Nowhere does Rupert spout these cliches, nor does he speak against "form" and celebrating embodiment in ANY sense.
@@MarkStevenMatousek where did I say he spread those cliches? I'm not talking about Rupert, it's a reference he makes about some new age groups round mid video.
@@sunbeam9222 My mistake! Apologies.
@@MarkStevenMatousek no worries at all.
In the final analysis, when the so called journey is from "me" to "I", we recognize that this "journey" is along a path-less path, there is neither direct nor indirect path. Understanding in its final culmination should end in "seeing" this fact.
i also think it is dangerous to say to people there is nothing to do because you are totally disregarding how they feel.it could put them into a mental health crisis. I'm an artist too and i had the same problem with devotional practice. i have a love of perception and experience and artists have direct enquiry into subject object relationship.
That's true, but I think that's a risk that any subversive and novel message carries in its time. People will misunderstand no matter how hard you try. You can add some disclaimers or explicitly point out things you do not imply, but at the end of the day, the way a message is taken depends on the receiver as much as (if not more than) it does on the sender.
Consciousness is an emergent property of a complex brain. The brain creates the mind, which creates the self, I, and me. In reality, there is no self, I, nor me. There never has been a self, I, or me, nor ever will be. It’s all a story. It’s that simple. No looking, seeking, nor pathway required.
So it is by a story that you dismiss a story and than inaccurately qualify consciousness and dismiss it? What kind of insanity is this!?😂
Conciousness is not of the brain. There is no me, mine, self or Ego projection people call God. All is phenomena arising and ceasing in Conciousness.
@pattyronco4217 no, it is awareness that observes the phenomenon arising and the Ego saying, this is me, mine, self, but it's not as it us dependent on something else to appear whereas awareness is always present and doesn't change or is dependent on anything.
Why did you say no to what I wrote?
Yikes. Just no.
New age nonsense like Tony Parsons.there Ive said it for you :)
You've said it for you. Enjoy that echo.
@@sunbeam9222 He's made a good point. It's a new path because it seems, with respect, a path of with a mishmash of traditions, but with a modern branding. As the presenter said it, it can become a very commercialised approach. He says that at 17: 11
@@MrResearcher122 ohhh I think I misunderstood. I'm sorry. Just checked Tony Parsons. I think I get it now ;) Sorry.
utter utter crap this is not non duality