Those black pebbles 5:05 are the life essentials for the local ecosystem. They react with the ocean water to produce oxygen. The mining companies are going to simply vacuum the ocean floor clean of this rocks to make EVs! This is like a massive deforestation underwater. Human have already exploit/used about half of earth land surface that can be cultivated for food. Natural forest and wild habitat land are disappearing because we are using those land to grow food. We have the engineering might to just wipe every other living things on earth quite rapidly. Leaders need to have the wisdom to stop this madness before it is too late.
Can you link an article about the black pebbles being essential for the local ecosystem? I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't know enough about this stuff and want to learn.
@@GenericHandle666 John Oliver did a full segment on this a few weeks back, he talks about them right around the 3 minute mark: ua-cam.com/video/qW7CGTK-1vA/v-deo.htmlsi=tzxI_EzzYdsteZus Gerard Barorn is the CEO of The Metals Company. They're one of the ones trying to get the contracts to mine the deep sea.
Norwegian here, from Bergen, as shown in the video. We've been lucky with resources, but there's little public discussion of the environmental downsides here. I don't quite understand that because it is *obvious* that mining would destroy these ecosystems. The permits mentioned by the state secretary are also for research *and exploration* - so this is a dangerous game they're playing. Apart from that, manganese crust and nodules have been the next big thing in resources for over five decades. It's like fusion energy - hugely promising, hugely difficult to do, with a potentially life destroying downside on the other end.
We are not even exploiting our phosphate resources due to not only climate concerns but other countries like Marocco's economical concerns. It is highly unlikely we will exploit these new available resources for as long as we can keep doing good enough without'em.
“irreparable damage”, meaning damage so massive it can not be repaired. Leave those minerals and their surrounding ecosystems alone. Find a way to recycle the minerals we already have.
it's norway's resource. they can do what they wish with it. If we want to deal with overconsumption we must deal with the overpopulated nations, Norway is the furthest thing from that
Norwegian here. I truely believe that we should pass over these minerals. Let them be.. The risk seems to me just too high.. (with regard to causing irreperable environmental damage).
Yeah, so... recent scientific study concluded those very rare earth minerals (and whatever else they're attached to) plays a significant role in oxygenating the ocean, ergo mine those and we could see a massive die off. Of course deep see mining companies are disputing that cause money. Wonder which side wins?
The environmentalists. Because China's going to keep prices too low for any viable deep-sea extraction (anything deep-sea is enormously expensive), even with Western government support. No commercial miner is going to put up billions of their investors' money just for the project to depend completely on the largesse of Western taxpayers.
The race to strip mine the ocean floor into lifeless empty scars is my first guess. With slow 10000 year recoveries vice how a forested area might slowly recover. Sure, a few small cuts would not be that bad, but we both know what happens when 'industrial scale' is applied.
Recent research about Dark Oxygen shows that we still do not know enough about the sea floor to comprehend the potential damages seabed mining operations may have. My vote is to protect these areas until more is learned about how oxygen, energy, and mass are transferred through the food chain and how the metal nodules and crusts affect these systems.
@@Joehk416 You do realize that we all depend on the stability of the ecosystem. Would people be better off in a doomsday scenario? That's what we are headed for if we mess around with the ecosystem too much more.
As in the comments here, I agree that nothing should be mined there. Countries with poor people should do that. We in the West should pay more attention to our environment. China and other countries can pollute the environment and we can simply buy from them to power our smartphones, solar panels and energy storage systems. They have then ruined their environment forever 100 times worse, because they don't do it as properly with mining as developed countries (which have more regulations and experience and can afford it) can. In exchange, we can send them 10 euros per person every month so that we feel good about it. Mining has to be done by poor countries and people so that our own environment looks 100% beautiful. Or we all do without technology, I always wanted to live in the stone age, they certainly didn't have depression. Caution: irony!!!!
Funny how they related the submarine mining to "clean energy"... What worries me, is that the conditions in the planet are becoming more and more adverse, not only for other species, but also for us. Some, few may see a big business and maybe consider the care for the ecosystem irrelevant. But, what if the mining introduces heavy metals in the food chain, and people gets poisoned. Or if the impact by any meaning affects the food availability, the deposition of CO2 , or whatever... These doesn't make sense to me. Please, excuse my por English
Norway is very high minded and progressive on issues -- except when it comes to the potential profit that the country could make. Then, it's become a smiley-happy version of the frackers in Texas or the monarchists of Saudi Arabia.
Absolutely should not be doing this. This is the very bottom of the food chain, which is about to be decimated. The effects won't be seen for years, but will absolutely not be reversible
We've been so smart, responsible, safe and only produced good results with surface crust mining, right? Why would anyone be concerned about deep sea mining? What could possibly go wrong? 🙄
Any work offshore takes massive amounts of equipment and fuel. Work completion takes much longer than on land. Especially at depths. So “harvesting” at depth costs ALOT just to harvest. Imagine how much more the final products will cost the consumer when it finally reaches us….
Norway is perhaps the largest oil revenue nation in the world outside of the Middle East on a per capita basis. So they're not about to suddenly become friends of the environment today.
They invest their sovereign wealth fund on environmental friendly projects. Where as the middle east invest it on airconditioned football fields in the desert.
@@KappaClaus North Sea reserves have been on the decline for decades now, The British side has been running down its investments and starting to pack up because getting that very last drop isn't worth the amount of new investment required, especially if the oil price go lower as the North Sea is one of the most expensive producers of oil, and much harder to breakeven compared to low cost producers like Saudi Arabia. Norway's sacrifices are because they can see the writing on the wall with their own oil reserves, not the climate. And by frontrunning the EU on electrification and renewables (Unlike 'drill, baby, drill' in America, the EU's green commitments were never in doubt) Norway hopes to start a cottage industry that will supply the EU - that is if they don't get slaughtered by the Chinese.
A country whose sovereign wealth fund (from oil money) acting as the leading crusader on ESG investment initiative is working on deep sea mining, how ironic is this
In the end no matter how hard we try we'll eventually just mine 000000,1% of the mapped surface. The ocean is vast guys, and the need for these materials is vital for the green change. I mean, we could just dig up more of the Congolese forrest..
How far shall we destroy our home. There no way it can be done safely if we have failed to do it on land.Over consumering short term products is problem that needs addressing.
Trying to frame this as clean energy is absolutely heart wrenching and devastating. I know we need the minerals for our ‘green cars’ but its getting out of hand. As pretty much all the Scandinavian countries know our waters are NOT thriving with fewer and fewer fish being present. Yes some new species are coming back but only because the waters are getting hotter and the species are protected. Lets try and look into how the richest people, biggest corporations, politicians, ect ect. Live their life and maybe try and reduce their carbon footprint. Im not saying its the solution because its definitely not, but the many yachts, private planes and other extravagant luxuries they have and use everyday wont compare to anything the normal people emit each year.. Start from the top and work it down. Starting from the bottom classes sure wont solve the problems in the long run…
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@@educacionespecialchannel3756 It's been found that the nodule's act like natural batteries that electrolyze the water, creating oxygen (and hydrogen), which is vital for the deep sea ecosystem.
@@educacionespecialchannel3756 damage to an ecosystem we don’t understand very well (example: recently discovered dark oxygen, and we don’t know how much it may contribute)
As a Norwegian, I absolutely agree. To jeopardize the marine ecosystem in that way is just wrong. Hopefully, it is a lot of resistance to it, and it is making its way more and more in to the political debate.
A lot of negative people basing their assumptions on what? When noone has done anything similar and we don't know the consequences. Why should Norway destroy the ocean when their main export after oil and gass is fish?
i think there is too much socialism. for a 10 million population of white people, it works. but in the US with violent black criminals and illegal aliens combined with jihadists - that model would fail immediately. US is a capitalist country. you work hard and build things. that is how your quality of life improves. your social safety net is your FAMILY.
Norway is the largest oil revenue country in the world outside of the Middle East on a per capita basis. Without oil, they would go back to being a tiny fishing country.
Only bots here wow... With the knowledge today i guess it comes out to destroy one ecosystem to get a chance so save others. The need for these resources are real and i feel its a dilemma...
Let's be honest capital over everything, even this new found frontier deep sea mining will have environmental effect but we will deal with those 50 years later just like plastic industry did 60 years ago or tobacco industry. Who are we lying too about environment and sustainability
Wwhy must everything be a competition or challenge to the US? I'm so sick of this US attitude, thinking the world owes it anything. What a bunch of paranoid people.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 They didn't say the video itself implied the US was owed everything, just that it embodied that attitude. But yeah, who would expect the WSJ to be internationally focused lol. They had a genuine comment at least and you hit em with the "cope and seethe" bro be nice
The United Nations does not decide if you can mine minerals on the bottom of the ocean. You would have to ask the owner of that ocean. What the reporters on the wsj channel said was wrong. It should not be encouraging commercial investment in private property.
Rare-Earth prices are in the doldrums. China wants to keep them that way: on.wsj.com/3AiRwyU
This is one of these ideas that we will regret as humanity in the future
Thinking like this and it's popularity is regrettable.
Doubt it
Yes, just like strip mining and slavery. Good thing we don't do those things anymore... /s
I think many of us regret this already. This is ridiculous.
Norway is like a guy who protests against capital punishment but makes his living as a hangman.
Those black pebbles 5:05 are the life essentials for the local ecosystem. They react with the ocean water to produce oxygen.
The mining companies are going to simply vacuum the ocean floor clean of this rocks to make EVs!
This is like a massive deforestation underwater. Human have already exploit/used about half of earth land surface that can be cultivated for food. Natural forest and wild habitat land are disappearing because we are using those land to grow food.
We have the engineering might to just wipe every other living things on earth quite rapidly. Leaders need to have the wisdom to stop this madness before it is too late.
What are the names of the companies that want to do this? Where is your proof?
@@GenericHandle666 TMC, LOCKE, GLENCORE and i think even rio tinto are investing in deep sea mining
Can you link an article about the black pebbles being essential for the local ecosystem? I'm not disagreeing with you, I just don't know enough about this stuff and want to learn.
@@GenericHandle666 John Oliver did a full segment on this a few weeks back, he talks about them right around the 3 minute mark: ua-cam.com/video/qW7CGTK-1vA/v-deo.htmlsi=tzxI_EzzYdsteZus
Gerard Barorn is the CEO of The Metals Company. They're one of the ones trying to get the contracts to mine the deep sea.
Mining is anyway not green. Whether we get it from land or sea there'll be an environmental impact.
A shame there’s not a race to study the unexplored ecosystems at the bottom of the ocean. Not much money in that though I suppose.
Norwegian here, from Bergen, as shown in the video. We've been lucky with resources, but there's little public discussion of the environmental downsides here. I don't quite understand that because it is *obvious* that mining would destroy these ecosystems. The permits mentioned by the state secretary are also for research *and exploration* - so this is a dangerous game they're playing.
Apart from that, manganese crust and nodules have been the next big thing in resources for over five decades. It's like fusion energy - hugely promising, hugely difficult to do, with a potentially life destroying downside on the other end.
We are not even exploiting our phosphate resources due to not only climate concerns but other countries like Marocco's economical concerns. It is highly unlikely we will exploit these new available resources for as long as we can keep doing good enough without'em.
“irreparable damage”, meaning damage so massive it can not be repaired. Leave those minerals and their surrounding ecosystems alone. Find a way to recycle the minerals we already have.
it's norway's resource. they can do what they wish with it. If we want to deal with overconsumption we must deal with the overpopulated nations, Norway is the furthest thing from that
@@bennyklabarpan7002 The oceans are the common heritage of humanity past present and future
@@westerling8436 not the NORWEGIAN SEA
@@bennyklabarpan7002 ever heard of co2 emissions per capita?
@@JayKumar-mr2oh yes, it favours countries that overpopulate. CO2 per area is a much better metric.
Norwegian here. I truely believe that we should pass over these minerals. Let them be.. The risk seems to me just too high.. (with regard to causing irreperable environmental damage).
No, US companies can invest in it and make good money.
Yeah, so... recent scientific study concluded those very rare earth minerals (and whatever else they're attached to) plays a significant role in oxygenating the ocean, ergo mine those and we could see a massive die off. Of course deep see mining companies are disputing that cause money. Wonder which side wins?
The environmentalists. Because China's going to keep prices too low for any viable deep-sea extraction (anything deep-sea is enormously expensive), even with Western government support. No commercial miner is going to put up billions of their investors' money just for the project to depend completely on the largesse of Western taxpayers.
which side wins? lol. How is there a winner in destroying the only planet we can live in?
In the end we all loose
@@puntvandekomma9498 Money always wins, that's what sociopaths call "reality".
That study rather speculated that these nodules could possibly make a minuscule contribution of water oxidation to oxygen.
Dark oxygen discovery might affect deep sea mining
The race to strip mine the ocean floor into lifeless empty scars is my first guess. With slow 10000 year recoveries vice how a forested area might slowly recover. Sure, a few small cuts would not be that bad, but we both know what happens when 'industrial scale' is applied.
For a second, I was anticipating Platinum after that one time in History, Spain dumped all their Platinum in the Ocean thinking it was worthless.
Recent research about Dark Oxygen shows that we still do not know enough about the sea floor to comprehend the potential damages seabed mining operations may have. My vote is to protect these areas until more is learned about how oxygen, energy, and mass are transferred through the food chain and how the metal nodules and crusts affect these systems.
We cannot allow this to happen. Would be one of the dumbest things humanity has ever done.
Would you rather use slave labour and child labour?
Yeah of course lets destroy an ecosystem we barely have anny knowledge of to further improve life quality of developing countries.
@@Joehk416 You do realize that we all depend on the stability of the ecosystem. Would people be better off in a doomsday scenario? That's what we are headed for if we mess around with the ecosystem too much more.
As in the comments here, I agree that nothing should be mined there. Countries with poor people should do that. We in the West should pay more attention to our environment. China and other countries can pollute the environment and we can simply buy from them to power our smartphones, solar panels and energy storage systems. They have then ruined their environment forever 100 times worse, because they don't do it as properly with mining as developed countries (which have more regulations and experience and can afford it) can. In exchange, we can send them 10 euros per person every month so that we feel good about it. Mining has to be done by poor countries and people so that our own environment looks 100% beautiful.
Or we all do without technology, I always wanted to live in the stone age, they certainly didn't have depression.
Caution: irony!!!!
Funny how they related the submarine mining to "clean energy"...
What worries me, is that the conditions in the planet are becoming more and more adverse, not only for other species, but also for us.
Some, few may see a big business and maybe consider the care for the ecosystem irrelevant. But, what if the mining introduces heavy metals in the food chain, and people gets poisoned. Or if the impact by any meaning affects the food availability, the deposition of CO2 , or whatever...
These doesn't make sense to me.
Please, excuse my por English
Norway is very high minded and progressive on issues -- except when it comes to the potential profit that the country could make. Then, it's become a smiley-happy version of the frackers in Texas or the monarchists of Saudi Arabia.
The reason Norway went from a Economically depressed backwater to a prosperous country is oil drilling.
False, we already had the 7 highest GDP pr capita in the world when we found oil.
@@Kim-br5yj due to low population
@@denisk886 gdp per capita is still a good indicator lol. Norway is one of the largest fish exporters in the world.
New ways to destroy the blue commons
I got to know many things, so thank you WSJ.
Absolutely should not be doing this. This is the very bottom of the food chain, which is about to be decimated. The effects won't be seen for years, but will absolutely not be reversible
Madness
We've been so smart, responsible, safe and only produced good results with surface crust mining, right? Why would anyone be concerned about deep sea mining? What could possibly go wrong? 🙄
If a country like say Vietnam, Turkey or Indonesia did this... EU would heavily criticize and introduce embargoes to mineral AND related industries
News update: "China claims ownership of sea between Norway and Greenland"
Wow, just 2 weeks after the discovery of dark oxygen? Seems like an older video, not even mentioned! What a shame WSJ
And the incredible damage to the sea floor? Massive pollution of sea life.
Search for minerals on different planet not on this, there is no planet B.
Just no - this is disgusting!
Great video!!
It caught my attention. Any idea where the accent is from?
Remember that discovering new resource doesnt mean cease land mining, its both and will always both
as a norwegian, the newspaper almost write nothing on this... i dont think many of us know that this is happening
Really great to see that we have resources in other places but deep se mining is not the way
L for Slovenia and W for Norway 🇳🇴 👑
Any work offshore takes massive amounts of equipment and fuel. Work completion takes much longer than on land. Especially at depths. So “harvesting” at depth costs ALOT just to harvest. Imagine how much more the final products will cost the consumer when it finally reaches us….
Norway is perhaps the largest oil revenue nation in the world outside of the Middle East on a per capita basis.
So they're not about to suddenly become friends of the environment today.
They invest their sovereign wealth fund on environmental friendly projects. Where as the middle east invest it on airconditioned football fields in the desert.
@@Adrian-lc6jq That's entirely false and rather ridiculous.
@@ji8044 Norway sacrifices its own prosperity for climate. You don't sort paper from plastic
@@KappaClaus Sheer idiocy, Norway pays for its entire government budget with oil revenue.
@@KappaClaus North Sea reserves have been on the decline for decades now, The British side has been running down its investments and starting to pack up because getting that very last drop isn't worth the amount of new investment required, especially if the oil price go lower as the North Sea is one of the most expensive producers of oil, and much harder to breakeven compared to low cost producers like Saudi Arabia.
Norway's sacrifices are because they can see the writing on the wall with their own oil reserves, not the climate. And by frontrunning the EU on electrification and renewables (Unlike 'drill, baby, drill' in America, the EU's green commitments were never in doubt) Norway hopes to start a cottage industry that will supply the EU - that is if they don't get slaughtered by the Chinese.
Impressive race for minerals, keep it sustainable! 🌎
When you fudge the earth so much that the only way is up or down into the crust
Hopefully no natural disasters take place with all the drilling
A country whose sovereign wealth fund (from oil money) acting as the leading crusader on ESG investment initiative is working on deep sea mining, how ironic is this
ESG is an existential threat to African countries. Its imperialism by another word
Rather than first developing minimum waste/damage techniques they are going to create a new disaster.
In the end no matter how hard we try we'll eventually just mine 000000,1% of the mapped surface. The ocean is vast guys, and the need for these materials is vital for the green change.
I mean, we could just dig up more of the Congolese forrest..
Gotta catch ‘em all
Sounds like a Howard Hughes Glomar Explorer cover story.
"irreparable damage" meaning mass extinction of specious we've never even seen
NO! DO NOT MINE THE OCEAN!!! Asteroids are the target.
So what company do we invest in? Or just the higher ups getting the insider trading info here in America.
Hopefully this madness will be outlawed, so don't invest in any of them.
Invest in exxonmobil, chevron
@@willythemailboy2 if it fills the pockets of the rich, they will let it happen. Look around for a change. Big corporations own everything
Goodbye Ocean Life 😢
How dare you drive Diesel car, meanwhile Norway is destroying the life below surface lol.
How far shall we destroy our home. There no way it can be done safely if we have failed to do it on land.Over consumering short term products is problem that needs addressing.
*Eco-friendly STOP NOW it's project and stakeholders!!! Too*
So this is basically subnautica.
cutting the branch with an axe...
ever heard about this story?
Only a matter of time before we realise that this was a bad idea
Great we are now destroying oceans also😊
What was that thing that the Indian chief told Carl Jung about Europeans.
Just like the people from Avatar wanting “valuable resources” I know it’s just a movie but I’m just trying to point out the idea🤣
Trying to frame this as clean energy is absolutely heart wrenching and devastating. I know we need the minerals for our ‘green cars’ but its getting out of hand. As pretty much all the Scandinavian countries know our waters are NOT thriving with fewer and fewer fish being present. Yes some new species are coming back but only because the waters are getting hotter and the species are protected.
Lets try and look into how the richest people, biggest corporations, politicians, ect ect. Live their life and maybe try and reduce their carbon footprint. Im not saying its the solution because its definitely not, but the many yachts, private planes and other extravagant luxuries they have and use everyday wont compare to anything the normal people emit each year..
Start from the top and work it down.
Starting from the bottom classes sure wont solve the problems in the long run…
Has Norway enough offshore and deep sea equipment to blow up the north stream pipeline that is in competition to the Norwegian Baltic pipeline?
Norway should next do the same with druzbha and yamal pipeline
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I'm sure China is already destroying the ocean to get these rocks.
Hi WSJ @wsj please also provide Metric Units when you publish an international story like this.
what could possibly go wrong...
The entire planet is at the mercy of the money hungry businessmen.
mining is not environmental, NORDIC NATIONS AREN’T AS GREEN AS THEY MARKET THEMSELVES. THEIR IS ALOT OF RISK HERE.
Horrible decision by Norway
In what way?:)
@@educacionespecialchannel3756 It's been found that the nodule's act like natural batteries that electrolyze the water, creating oxygen (and hydrogen), which is vital for the deep sea ecosystem.
@@educacionespecialchannel3756 damage to an ecosystem we don’t understand very well (example: recently discovered dark oxygen, and we don’t know how much it may contribute)
@@TheAuraEngineer ecosystems are a renewable resource
As a Norwegian, I absolutely agree.
To jeopardize the marine ecosystem in that way is just wrong.
Hopefully, it is a lot of resistance to it, and it is making its way more and more in to the political debate.
How to claim?
leave them alone all the material need is in SPACE MINING!!🪐
Leave the ocean alone smh
A lot of negative people basing their assumptions on what? When noone has done anything similar and we don't know the consequences.
Why should Norway destroy the ocean when their main export after oil and gass is fish?
How are wind turbines dependent on these resources?
The metals are used to build the generators and such.
@@willythemailboy2 blades too
@@alystero8838 Those are mostly balsa wood, fiberglass, and epoxy to keep them as light as practical.
*Out of sight! Out of mind!* :D
the next day of discovery of rare earth minerals, america going to serve democracy in Norway
92 billions is like peanuts for Norway...just leave this deposit alone and keep precious marine life alive.
We appreciate how well you've articulated your insights. Keep doing your best.
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They will if you flash your oranges for them.
Stop this madness!!!!
No
And when thats gone then what 😮😮😮
USA is watching if and how they could bring some freedom and democracy to Norway. It all depends of the development of these research! 🦅
Anytime they say clean power I laugh!
Norway is in need of some good old American freedom 😅
Those Nordic countries really have their act together. From government to quality of life, we could learn a lot.
i think there is too much socialism. for a 10 million population of white people, it works. but in the US with violent black criminals and illegal aliens combined with jihadists - that model would fail immediately.
US is a capitalist country. you work hard and build things. that is how your quality of life improves. your social safety net is your FAMILY.
Norway is the largest oil revenue country in the world outside of the Middle East on a per capita basis.
Without oil, they would go back to being a tiny fishing country.
@@ji8044 Irrelevant. Cash flow alone doesn’t determine quality of life.
@@ji8044They also have used oil money responsibly, you can see the pitfalls of an oil based economy in venezuela.
The idea that Norway was a poor country before the oil discovery is a myth.
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Only bots here wow...
With the knowledge today i guess it comes out to destroy one ecosystem to get a chance so save others. The need for these resources are real and i feel its a dilemma...
Electrification is NOT greener
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Let's be honest capital over everything, even this new found frontier deep sea mining will have environmental effect but we will deal with those 50 years later just like plastic industry did 60 years ago or tobacco industry. Who are we lying too about environment and sustainability
Underground Tunnel drilling without exposing the seabed?
Greedy human's destroying world.😢
this will affect supply or oxygen and water then sea creatures will come out to surface
Atlantis will rise again.
Great… now humans will destroy the sea floor like they did the surface.
There’s a lot of other places where the aquatic animals can move to.
#defendthedeep
Why is us watching closely 😅😅
Because, they are greatest thief of the century 😂😂
Don’t do it bro
Very bad idea😮💀💀
Wwhy must everything be a competition or challenge to the US?
I'm so sick of this US attitude, thinking the world owes it anything.
What a bunch of paranoid people.
It's a US based news organization and channel.
How does this at all imply that anyone owes the US anything?
Cope and seethe.
@@chickenfishhybrid44 They didn't say the video itself implied the US was owed everything, just that it embodied that attitude. But yeah, who would expect the WSJ to be internationally focused lol. They had a genuine comment at least and you hit em with the "cope and seethe" bro be nice
All this so Lebron James can sell EV hummers
Awful
And destroy the marine life ecosystem since there are no rules . money is everything
United States needs to get on this
The United Nations does not decide if you can mine minerals on the bottom of the ocean. You would have to ask the owner of that ocean. What the reporters on the wsj channel said was wrong. It should not be encouraging commercial investment in private property.