Best Dwarvish quote (might not be exact, I don't have the book in front of me right now), Thorin on his deathbed saying farewell to Bilbo: "If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."
I agree that Azaghal's heroic sacrifice was a highlight in dwarven history, but unfortunately I recently realised that his actions allowed Fëanor's sons to survive and continue the pursuit of their treacherous oath. You kind of start to wonder how the story in Beleriand would have evolved without their attacks on Doriath and the Havens of Sirion.
First off many congrats to Matt! I have to admit that in my foolish youth I pretty much ignored the dwarves. But ever since getting back into the edges of this fandom I've come to really appreciate them. In particular I admire their craftmenship. This might be in part because I actually didn't read the Hobbit until a couple years ago. I love that point about the dwarves in Sil being completely slanted. That hasn't been lost to me. Also your dad wins ALL the points for that story. I don't know if I'd say that the strife comment was all that retconned. As stated earlier they are a more secretive bunch and I think even in the waning days they'd still take pride in their trade secrets and histories, etc. I was about to type the SAME thing you said about men being more of a danger to the trees. Oh gosh I didn't know of the Hebrew connection! You know I can actually kind of feel the similar cadence to Hebrew as dwarvish. Never ever apologize about linguistic tangents! I think the traditionalism of Dwarves is overlooked a lot which feels like the origin of this niceness. I want this red axe now! I absolutely have grown to really enjoy Gilmi. Okay I really REALLY love that Tinfoil theory. I accept it as my canon. I almost wonder if the money accuracy comes from their crafting ability. As in they have a natural talent to tell the weight/balance of something and they can convert that to knowing what sort of weight/accumulation coinage would have? And again I was just going to say maybe the hatred was overrated. Maybe that's another aspect of coming from elves who just might have thought they were better and since they kept to themselves a bit more it's more a matter of the legends humans accepted. Thank you so much for this conversation! It was very enjoyable!
Thanks for the great video, Dan. I am slowly coming around to appreciating the Dwarves. And as you said, the history was all written by the Elves, which leaves room for them to embellish certain historical events, such as what happened in Doriath, which for me is the main reason I haven't liked the Dwarves as much as I like Eru's children.
It's Thray-in and Day-in and Nay-in, not Throne, Dine, and Nine. Those latter would be Sindarin usages. The Old Norse that the Dwarf names were taken from use the former pronunciation.
Even though dwarfs exist in the real world, Tolkien made the Dwarves into a unique and special race to be admired for their strengths instead of looked down upon (no pun intended) as they so often were in Tolkien's day and age.
Best Dwarvish quote (might not be exact, I don't have the book in front of me right now), Thorin on his deathbed saying farewell to Bilbo: "If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."
Thanks dan
Roy was a fantastic guest who shared many interesting ideas. Quite condensed though, I hope he will return some day for more discussions to have 😀
loved this podcast whatever you call it it was epic awesome look forward to the next
Who could the slanderous elf lovers be...hmm.
WHO, indeed? 😂😂
I agree that Azaghal's heroic sacrifice was a highlight in dwarven history, but unfortunately I recently realised that his actions allowed Fëanor's sons to survive and continue the pursuit of their treacherous oath. You kind of start to wonder how the story in Beleriand would have evolved without their attacks on Doriath and the Havens of Sirion.
The more I find out about First Age elves, the more I appreciate Dwarves and Hobbits.
First off many congrats to Matt!
I have to admit that in my foolish youth I pretty much ignored the dwarves. But ever since getting back into the edges of this fandom I've come to really appreciate them. In particular I admire their craftmenship. This might be in part because I actually didn't read the Hobbit until a couple years ago.
I love that point about the dwarves in Sil being completely slanted. That hasn't been lost to me. Also your dad wins ALL the points for that story.
I don't know if I'd say that the strife comment was all that retconned. As stated earlier they are a more secretive bunch and I think even in the waning days they'd still take pride in their trade secrets and histories, etc.
I was about to type the SAME thing you said about men being more of a danger to the trees.
Oh gosh I didn't know of the Hebrew connection! You know I can actually kind of feel the similar cadence to Hebrew as dwarvish.
Never ever apologize about linguistic tangents!
I think the traditionalism of Dwarves is overlooked a lot which feels like the origin of this niceness.
I want this red axe now!
I absolutely have grown to really enjoy Gilmi. Okay I really REALLY love that Tinfoil theory. I accept it as my canon. I almost wonder if the money accuracy comes from their crafting ability. As in they have a natural talent to tell the weight/balance of something and they can convert that to knowing what sort of weight/accumulation coinage would have?
And again I was just going to say maybe the hatred was overrated. Maybe that's another aspect of coming from elves who just might have thought they were better and since they kept to themselves a bit more it's more a matter of the legends humans accepted.
Thank you so much for this conversation! It was very enjoyable!
Thanks for the great video, Dan. I am slowly coming around to appreciating the Dwarves. And as you said, the history was all written by the Elves, which leaves room for them to embellish certain historical events, such as what happened in Doriath, which for me is the main reason I haven't liked the Dwarves as much as I like Eru's children.
It's Thray-in and Day-in and Nay-in, not Throne, Dine, and Nine. Those latter would be Sindarin usages. The Old Norse that the Dwarf names were taken from use the former pronunciation.
Even though dwarfs exist in the real world, Tolkien made the Dwarves into a unique and special race to be admired for their strengths instead of looked down upon (no pun intended) as they so often were in Tolkien's day and age.
Should have had Helen The Clueless Fangirl on since she loves dwarves so much. 🤣