Classical conditioning a dog to an ET 300 ecollar "tone" as another way to say "come" for recall
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- Classical conditioning a dog to an ET 300 ecollar "tone" as another way to say "come" for recall.
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I've been using vibration to train my dog to be less mouthy when playing with other dogs. She is adolescent and especially fond of cobbing (nibbling). This isn't much of a problem if used affectionately with familiar dogs but she uses is as part of her chase with new dog friends, or as a show of acceptance or letting out excitement with a submissive dog. Many dogs return for more, but nervous dogs don't like it and most owners don't know what it is.
Since I don't have a backyard she has to get her socialisation in a park so she meets many new dogs and does well in this. The behaviour only comes out strongly with the "wiggly" kind of submissive dogs/dogs at the age that demonstrate this body language, or when a dog is already being chased by another dog.
When in those group chasing situations her recall gets worse to nonexistent (it is usually very good even when surrounded by dogs). Her recall is usually fine when she is cobbing on a submissive dog as she is less activated. In these situations I have the dogs meet with treats to take their attention off eachother and have my girl stay in a down position while luring the more submissive or younger dog into a "neck over", or at least have it be the taller. This tends to disrupt the hierarchy from becoming unnecessarily extreme. (my girl isn't disturbed by neck overs or mounting from other dogs at all, only threatening forms of dominance).
When she is at a distance I have been using vibration (not shock) as a mild aversive if she tries to grab the other dog during a chase, or if she uses cobbing around the neck area. Obviously I cannot physically interupt her if she is moving quickly or at any distance, and so without using the ecollar there would be no way to appropriately time the behavioural interruption to teach the right lesson.
Emergency style recall can work in this situation but I don't feel this would deter the behaviour clearly as it only increases dogs excitement.
I found the ecollar probably reduced this play biting behaviour by about 80%. The only problem was that when already a bit heightend sometimes the annoyance of the vibration would actually seem to tip her into biting more, as if the added stimulantion took her outside her window if tolerance. It would depend how consistently it was used too.
Watching this I am wondering if I should instead or as well use the collar for recall in this situation, or use tone then vibration to deter mouthy play.
Of note, a low life occasionally brings a remote controlled car to the park and encourages the dogs to chase it without asking the owners. Prior to this exposure she was less interested in all moving objects and did not chase animals, and had better recall. I set the guy straight, but the damage is done.
Wow, all very interesting. If I were you, I would play around with different ideas whether it’s with tone followed by the stimulation for your recall, or just stimulation if you’re trying to stop something in that moment. And don’t be too low. Sometimes two or three WELL-timed stims when she’s doing something she shouldn’t be doing (ie: cobbing an unfamiliar dog) will fix that behavior forever. Remember when you’re practicing recall, you are working in the negative reinforcement quadrant and if you are stopping a behavior, you are in the positive punishment quadrant of operant conditioning. One last thought, the vibration is static and it’s sometimes not annoying enough for a dog to want to respond to it, depending on what they’re doing and how heightened they are. So personally, I like to use stimulation when I’m trying to stop a behavior or using it as negative reinforcement, because I can go up higher if I need to - or lower. When only using vibration - the dog at some point will often blow you off and the dog may get habituated to doing that (and at that point you have to go to stim because you have no other choice as vibration doesn’t work 100% anymore). I actually only use vibration with a deaf dog. Not saying you are doing it wrong w your dog, just food for thought. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Finally - with the remote control car, that would be a good time to practice a recall, using tone with stim or just straight stim. And when I say tone with stimulation, it’s with the ET 300 when you change the “T” button to that function where after 1.2 seconds of tone it rolls into stimulation when your finger is depressing the button.)
really enjoy your videos! i'd definitely send a dog to you. i struggle with concept of dog being rewarded for chasing wildlife. mine has big prey drive, so he'll chase any moving object, but isn't rewarded. i guess the reward aspect applies to 'hunting' dogs? 🤔
Notice in the video I don’t use the word “reward” a lot. Rather, I use the word “reinforce“. And if you look into operant conditioning you will learn that “reinforcement”encourages behaviors, whereas “punishment”, discourages or stops behaviors. So the actual act of chasing of deer is very positively reinforcing for the dog because the dog is having a lot of fun (he is positively reinforcing himself with a reward of fun). A person saying “come” never gets a dog back (unless you have a leash or dog is trained on Ecollar) until the dog is done chasing it and return when they feel like it, therefore the dog is being self-reinforced for that chasing behavior. (It’s not that YOU are rewarding the dog because he chased deer, it’s the activity of chasing the deer itself that is positively reinforcing as a “reward” to himself, and therefore reinforces that behavior of chasing deer.) Because my dog was never allowed to chase the deer from the beginning - because he ALWAYS came back: because I could always get him to come back (leash or because I had a ball and he chose the ball and me over the deer). He never had fun chasing deer because he just never chased the deer to begin with. I hope that makes sense or gives you some clarity. Also, in the reinforcement piece of operant conditioning. It’s either positive reinforcement or negative reinforcement. The term “reward“ would fall in to positive reinforcement - you would use a reward as a positive reinforcement. But you could never use a reward as part of negative reinforcement, it doesn’t work that way. You’d have to read more or educate yourself about it.
Ie- if you dig more into operant conditioning, the Ecollar is used as a negative reinforcement event (in this in this video)
going to keep reading and watching. thank you!! I did buy a less expensive e collar after watching pyur videos. your dogs and clients are fortunate to have you!
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good stuff. thank you for this!!!