Why Finland Has 54,000 Nuclear Bunkers
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Finland has over 54,000 nuclear bomb shelters, but not to protect its population from nuclear Armageddon. Why Finland has build so many nuclear shelters, is #NotWhatYouThink #NWYT #longs
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"the soviets expected very little resistance" sounds familiar
during the late staged they were busy regaining territory aka the entire eastern board of the USSR from the germans and italians.
@@-Ryan_Gasoline- well Italians really did next to nothing
@@jonh101 as always
Modern Russia doesn't seem to have learned anything from this
I’m sensing a pattern here…
"But when Finland refused, the Soviets labeled Finland as a fascist state and invaded the country"
"The Soviets expected to face very little resistance and envisioned that they'd simply walk in and take over the entire country with ease"
Incredible that Russia's playbook for invading neighbors never changed from Soviet times.
Same as China, almost like all commies are the same 🙄
Truly a ruski classic
I thought the same thing. It worked, they took 9% of their neighbors land, so Putin is just playing the same game plan. Except times have changed, the world is much more connected and hopefully Putins plan fails.
Russia is known to simply throw bodies at problems.
they never learn.
"Secret to happiness is have a bouning caste inside a nuclear proof bunker"
yes that and alcohol
It seems you can have only the bouncing castle
@@goodtoshi someone will bring booze there andget drunk
@@tahko3956 It's finland. Even if miraculously, nobody who seeks shelter in an attack grabs a bottle of booze to bring with them, within a week they'd be using up the supplies of sugar to make like 10% strong homebrew wine. Within a month there'd be a still set up lol.
no alcohol, diacetylmorphine -pikachu face -
haha alcohol = happiness fo sure s2
Russia sure knows how to make friends.
Russia is like a bully who acts tough and has goons, but when he gets into trouble his friends desert him
@@azariahazariah4493 Almost the same thing with China. They have been a major thorn for most Asian countries, especially the ones bordering them like India. It's ironic they accused the US of "bullying" when they got pissed with a simple visit to Taiwan by Nancy Pelosi, their military fought the Indians around the border, threatening Taiwan, Japan, and the Philippines.
@@azariahazariah4493 When he gets in trouble, he cries to be the victim.
@@khalidmusicshorts What friends did they have in ww2? They weren't exactly friends with the allies.
@@khalidmusicshorts Seemingly more than you since you couldn't even answer a question.
Damn, I want a bunker as my man cave :(
relatable
Me too man, me too
Better start saving then.
Dont wory, i have
Still some left in Florida.
Finnish citizens should be proud that they have such an awesome, effective and caring government that really serves them well.
True 👍🏾
who says we arent:)
Its easy less greed like american coperearion
More socail care
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That is what typically happens in nations that are ethnically 95%+ European.
We are. Seeing this for the first time made me also realize for the first time that this is not how it is everywhere else. Altho we have our issues we love our country
Speaking as a Finn I approve of this message
👍
Ranked as the happiest by the organization that accomplishes nothing but create a child trafficking ring and overlooks human rights violations in China.
Damn, dude. I knew y'all were badasses, but I didn't know y'all were THAT badass! I've never heard anyone in the any of the services with a bad word about the Finns. Y'all, the Aussies, the Nepos... I'd be proud to have any of y'all at my six. But this video suggests y'all are every bit as armored up as the Swiss, except you're not hunkered down in a hidey-hole in the Alps. AND you're onboarding with NATO! Roaring. Bad-a
sses.
But what's the message?
@@grumblycurmudgeon will you stop bootlicking anytime soon?
Sisu Suomi! 🇫🇮
The Alcholol ban in bunkers is simply to prevent Russian from entry to such facilities
We are finns, you bet your ass there will be alcohol finding its way down there.
😂😂😭😭😭😂😂
One thing you forgot to mention about the Karelia question is that Karelia today is soooo underdeveloped, thanks to Russia's neglect and mistreatment of said province, that building the infrastructure up to Finnish standards would bankrupt the whole country, which is another reason why so many Finns oppose taking back Karelia.
Awesome video otherwise, keep it up! Cheers.
It wouldn't bankrupt us but it would certainly be taxing, also there are hardly any people anymore left who used to live down there so it is just matter 'historical values' if we wanted it back. Sure it would give us more forest to get some of that sweet forestry going on more but it would be 10-30 year development time and would need political agreement for long time but seems like our government cannot stay up without breaking up for whole term.
The Finns reaction to being forced to cede Karelia was incredible.
People left, to move to what was still Finland ...
and BURNED everything left behind. I mean, everything.
he forgot or just didn't mention about a lot of stuff :)
@@Kamellion my grandpa was a war child and i went to see where he had been born
We thought we were in a long-forgotten medieval village until people actually started coming out of the houses
I was able to see the castle ruins where my ancestors once worked when it was a rurik-age marquisate as well as the supposed final resting place of my great gandpa
The castle ruins dating to the earliest days of stone castles that had seen and weathered many wars was in significantly better condition than the village
Pretty much anything that Russia touches turns into shit (example Kaliningrad).
Dang, Finland is hardcore! I never knew any of this!
Honestly you know we've slipped pretty bad when a country's preparedness and their logic-driven militarism and safety nets are considered "hardcore".
It's not being metal af. It's being ready.
Anything for the safety of our people and our homeland
PERKELE
If I lived next to Russia, I too would start building shelters
Won‘t help.
@@kentishka-iz-naliva Oh trust me it does
@@Robin-hi8oq words of FALLOUT gamer
Cause they will nuke themselves on the launch pad with those crap missles?
@@RumblesBettr Hope we‘ll never find out. It‘s sad we stopped nuclear weapons testing - people now don‘t quite realize what it is. It´s either the end of civilization as we know it, or the end of life on the planet. And dying quickly would be even preferable.
Russian inverse midas touch convers even gold to s*. So there is no point to take Karelia back. It is so far away from Finnish living standards that it would be endless money pit.
@6:48 Terrible BS. There's no discussion whatsoever in Finland to get their lost areas back. Even if Russia would offer these, Finland barely would want to take 'em. After 80 years of Russian influence and the ruling of these areas has practically destroyed them and nothing Finnish is left there. It would be vast money and effort needed to build up these areas again. No sense.
And "would Finland try to fight these areas back"? They already tried (1941-44), and it didn't end up well. Now that it's long-lasting peace in Finland, the idea of Finland attacking is the most stupid idea one could imagine. And Finland's power wouldn't even match Russia's. Finland has invested in defending, not attacking.
That's not entirely true. There are certainly people who want Karelia back but it's not really a big political issue.
@@fdk7014 Yes, there are some. Maybe 5...10 %. Not any kind of political issue, not even a minor.
Shush, we’d take Petsamo back, access to the Arctic. And maybe Vyborg 🤪
Well said!
there is some land in karelia what belongs to my family. of course we want it back
Wow, that's rather impressive. I appreciate that their preparation efforts were made under the assumption that they would be fighting alone. I feel like a lot of NATO members don't fully commit to defense preparation specifically because they are part of the alliance and assume their partner nations will pick up the slack. I hope Finland's induction into NATO doesn't infect them with the same complacency.
feels like finns dont have luxury to be complacent when comes to defending country because how much border they have with russian
As a Finnish person I hope that too. That is propably one of the main reasons I used to oppose joining Nato.
It doesnt, one of the conditions for us to join is that we keep up the same energy. Finland can already defend against the russia, joining Nato will make sure such conflict will never start.
Finnish defence force has been heavily buying new stuff during last months. And there is wide support for universal consprict system.
hopefully Finlands Laws and regulations spread to the rest of Nato and Finlands Aplication and eventual includemtn in nato would benefit millinery policies in all of nato
Russia: you will lose.
Finland: we will fight nevertheless.
The point isn't to win, the point is to make it too expensive for russia to win.
more like: "you can try"
No pets?! Fuck that. I'll take my chances with the nuclear apocalypse, thanks. 😂
Also, I'm not sure it's entirely fair to say Finland "fears" Russia. I think they've just worked out how to beat the fuckers if they try for a ww2 rematch.
Exactly! Way to many are willing to sacrifice the lives of those who depend on them and who THEY are responsible for to save their own hides (maybe). And besides that, if you survive what do they honestly think will be left?
@@werewolflover8636 Yep. I can't really stand humans anyway. Much happier with a little kitty or a pup, even if they have two heads and a tendency to glow in the dark,
Pets don't matter they don't bring money in or keep a home clean or do the shopping
I read in my notifications that Finland had 54,000 nuclear bomb 😂😂😂😂 .I immediately check for confirmation
Same as me😂
🤣
Same here 🤣🤣🤣🤣💀
Great, if thats the case, they may end up like the Ukraine did in late 90s and end up getting "special operations" by Putin again. 😅
what if they did, sussy.
Finland is like a real life home alone
Kid please quit m4sturbation. ONLY THEN you will be able to open eyes
I don't think there really is a Karelian Question. This is not a serious question in Finland and there is probably almost zero support for such an idea.
We don't fear the worst, we prepare for it because we value our lives and lifestyle.
as an Estonian i would 100% help Finland fight should it come down to it just as they have helped us
as a Fin i would help Estonia fight if it should come down
As a Ukranian, I'd say don't die for us, just give tanks and fighter jets
@@Michael9W 300 more T-72 CZ's? Deal. Hope your counter-offencive towards Melitopol works, slavic brothers! Slava Ukraini, Heroyam Slava!
Easy to say, harder to actually do
@@latslarsson2001 not as hard as it presented. Just several people there must show they have balls
The possible adversary in Finnish defense doctrine has actually been changed to explicitly state russia during 2022.
No more yellow country
@@lordwalrus8615 still a piss country, just openly now
How else attag??? allways east...
@@arikotiranta2689 If the enemy is coming from the west, they are flanking around.
1:01 "But why would the happiest country in the world be preparing for such a doomsday scenario?"
As a Finn, the answer is: bad neighbors. Simple as that. If you check the world map, you'll surely figure out who I'm talking about.
Denmark 🤣
@@MrThhg nah definitely the Swedes
So the television news told you to think, right?
@@prowlingfrost5588 ah yes because Russia has been so wonderful and not a bully for the entire time
@@100GTAGUYPrecisely. Those pesky swedes... always up to something. Sure they look nice and friendly but as soon as you turn your head you have tanks rolling out of the ikea store.
Finland doesn’t fear anyone. We’re just pragmatic and prepared.
No wonder Finland’s population is so happy. They feel like their government is doing all it can to keep it safe; including plans for its defense and incorporating them into each citizen’s life.
Knowing your country has a plan and spends its money on realizing that plan must be somewhat satisfying.
It really is satisfying.
Finland have very similar strategy to Switzerland. I like it. It makes war very difficult and not worth it.
Yes, the Finns has long ago realised that preparations designed to give them a better chance against adversity like military attacks on their country must be made long before such measures are acutely needed, because if, or when such damage mittigation measures are needed - but not available - it is too late, and the nation would be left very voulnerable to attacks and for that matter to other seriously destructive events, like perhaps a huge sun mass ejection of hot plasma heading straight for the earth.! Having somewhere to shelter under such conditions could easily make the difference between annihilation or survival.🤔!!!
Every apartment building I ever have lived in, had those mandatory bunkers. Also local public swimming pool is carved inside a mountain.
That Karelian issue is bit far from reality. Most of finns who lived there are already dead including my grand father. Nobody wants that forested area with totally crap infra and tons of russians to live here and taken care of to have even decent living conditions. Rebuilding would be so hard after so many years of total fkery is too much.
Yeah getting the lost Karelian territory back would be the quickest way to ruin Finnish economy
As kid I though that is universally common to have bomb shelter in every building. (nothing fancy , but better than nothing) There were ping pong tables, hobby rooms etc. in apartment houses bomb shelters in the 80s.
Majority of these shelters are not like that high tech one you showed at the beginning. Most of them are quite old and meant for 2-3 days tops, after that everything runs out. Power, food, water. And living in complete misery since theyre going to be packed as full as possible. More for surviving the fires or chemical attacks than nuclear war. Shelter isnt going to do anything in nuclear war.. The real death toll starts once all food runs out, water is irradiated, radiation poisoning sets in. Medical and emergency services cease to operate.
t. finn
you are finnish? what do you say about the point that you dont want karelia back only because there are living slavic people now? sure its a point, but to me the finnish people seem to be intelligent and dont want to "anger" russia with any claims given the history. so the main reason is to have no demands and have a more neutral relationship and not risk a war/invasion/conflicts.
@@dreipunktekind wtf are you even talking about
@@rykehuss3435 the point he made in the video was like "we dont want any russians in our country hence we dont want the land" which just sounds like an racist argument than the actual motivation behind no demands. i wanted to hear a finnish voice about that.
Thank you, Jerebare!
@@dreipunktekind Russia is not a race so you cannot be racist towards russians. I believe bigot is the term youre looking for.
And I can tell personally I dont want any russians in Finland either. Not because of russians themselves, but because of their government. But the russians themselves are also partly to blame, they allow such a government to rule. Its part of their culture, as long as the government's decisions dont touch them too bad (like conscription on the streets of Moscow), the people en mass are quiet and dont resist anything.
A more exact rumination on how things ACTUALLY would turn out. Thank you for the reality check.
Huh, the reason why Finland has so many bunkers was actually exactly what I thought. The defense motivations for pretty much any of Russia's neighbors can be predicted pretty easily. Wonder why that is?
I wonder how many people thought Finland feared attack from Italy, and were hugely surprised when this video informed them that it's actually Russia.
Super informative, as alaways! Thanks!
Wrong information partly but yeah great summary.
@@hornantuutti5157 which part was wrong?
Putin has became NATO's best saleman !
exactly, and america is largely benefiting from it since it encourages other countries to buy weapons from them
@@kyrlchristiandomeniqueboni484 Which is good, with everyone armed Russia would be stupid to try anything lmao
My parents were refugees from the lost territory, so of course I am an officer in reserve and prepared.
Slava Finlandia !!!!
7:00 What are you talking about. Of course Finland would not go to war. And atleast here in Finland it’s not a discussion anyone talks about.
For sure, it's a kind of injection of west idea, to heat another one point to make Russia and European countries weaker by hitting their heads one o one.
As a Russian I can say no one hear from ru propaganda that Finns wanted lands back and want fight for it. Also no one here (may be except you know who lol) wanted to fight against Finns for whatever reason. Most people that I know very positive to Finland and Finish people, also many of them visit it's beautiful country.
I respect neutral position and total defence style of course when money of people not lost in pockets.
But I respect more to live in peace and working together.
For many decades it was a "forbidden subject", not even supposed to be talked about.
But the idea has allways been floating around.
But to go to war over it... No. Well, take a million people and there are bound to be a number of crazy individuals out there, but hardly anyone with half a brain would actually be willing to start a war.
To make demands, is another thing. But on the other hand, for Russia to do anything but simply ignore demands that do not include a threat of war, is unlikely.
In other words, there has been, and probably will be discussion about getting back the lost territories, but not very serious.
Finland , Finland , Finland
The country where I want to be
Pony trekking or camping or just watching T.V
Finland , Finland , Finland
It's the country for me
Pony trekking? What type of country do you think I’m from?
@@rainellx Missed the reference..?
@@rainellx Those are lyrics from a Monty Python song.
Well, Its a Country For Men..Women/Children/Eldery goes to Bunkers..Men Go To FIGHT. So We Dont have to Worry About Family, they Tkaen Care Off..We Free to What to Be Done.?
And me.
So you're telling us it's NOT out of fear of their neighbor to the west, Sweden? Not What I Thought.
🙃
they are in good relationship with sweden and norway
@@kyrlchristiandomeniqueboni484 You clearly don't get the inside joke.
Finland/Norway/Sweden have a friendly rivalry where they pretend to hate eachother despite being good pals. But they all hate the Danish at least
@@kyrlchristiandomeniqueboni484 that was supposed to be the joke
@@kyrlchristiandomeniqueboni484 My comment was Not What You Think ;)
@@KayJay01 What would the Finns do without Swedish ball bearings, and they all grumble about the Danes, because they are the descendants of the Vikings, but almost all the power comes via Denmark, and almost all the hydro power from Norway.
My father and mother and their/our families lost their birth homes in eastern Finland. It's Russian now. Of course, no one stayed there.
As a Finn I can approve all the information you said. Great Video👍
My Grandfather has always hided his dachshund under his jacked in the bunkers during WW2. Pets were also not allowed in bunkers 80 years ago
God bless your grandfather.
"hided" 🤣
Hided,,,,,,,or do you mean hid pity he didn't get caught and shot
And in UK many 10 of thousand's pet were killed as people feared that they will run out food so it was kind of act of mercy. But when they realized that government was wrong they were furious about it.
@@tomi_9212my father ww2 British army veteran said Germans ate their pets…no dogs or cats in Germany
It has nothing to do with fear.
Fear is wrong word here yes indeed, more correct would be something like: lack of trust.
Winter war was not the first time Russia attacked Finland nor was it the last and Finns know it. That's why they have been preparing this whole time fortifying their positions to hunker down and wait for the crucial moment, just sitting behind that loaded mg and waiting to hear the Russian urraaa! scream.
Still I gotta admit there has been moments where Finnish maiden has been sleeping for example the land sales, but after 2014 Crimea scenario Finland has picked up on the phase again more.
Never should fall a sleep on guard duty.
The pet thing is actually a life saver, the pets can carry disease and people can have allergies to dogs cats, etc. And also who would bring allergy pills in an nuclear scenario? Leaving the pets elsewhere also makes more space for humans and the water and other foods arent going to waste by some random ass dogs
Seriously? You need to look at zoonotics and it is not pets. They want you to get rid of pets because then you have another limited affiliation.
The Finns are well-prepared. They also have Kimi, Mika and Nokia, the latter making them indestructibles. Why would anybody want to mess with them?
I reality the best men In Finland go to fighter pilots. Second bests go to racing car drivers. Neither are they bad. (-;
This guy is so good, he doesn't only explain it. He goes deep into a single idea e.g the winter war
okay...preparing the war in the most peaceful decades....now, it shows. Finnish ppl is really understand Russia lol.
it definitely was not what I thought
Yoo another one appeared
The video is about the Finnish Winter War when the soviet attacked Finland without war declaration. The winter war lasted a few months and 420,000 Carelians were evacuated in two weeks after the end of the war. The end of Finnish Winter War is followed by a period known as "The intermediate war time period" and in connection with the outbreak of the WW2, Finland allied itself with Germany with the intention of winning back Karelia. This war is called the Finnish Continuation War which, however, resulted in Finland once again having to hand over Karelia to the Russians in the end of WW2 and for a second time the Karelians were evacuated. Karelians are a very active society in Finland to keep its heritage alive, also specializing tours every year to visit their family places, now gone of course but with help of GPS and old maps they track down the areas. The Carelians also make an annual Evacuation Walk in memory of the giving up their homeland. The Carelians also have their own burial ground, a beautiful site in a Helsinki cemetery. I'm the second generation of Carelians and probably the culture will die out with time.
It is interesting to see this video since ive actually played in one of those bunkers showed in the video.
I love that the sad part is no animals, not the fact if you are in the bunker the world as you know it will be over for your lifetime, your kids lifetime, your grandkids lifetime.
yea but doggo
I have a cat, and that would be worst case scenario for me. (I live in finland)
Ppl will stay outside and die w/fluffy if that were in America. They care more about thier dogs than thier kids!! 😭
WHAT ABOUT ME MOM!!!!🤣🤣
They could allow animals so that when we run out of food down there we have something to snack on :D Point with no animals is that Humans comes first and there are even no animal buildings for people with allergy.
@@theglitch99 You do realize that a lot of people don't have kids and their animals are effectively their children.
Beautiful piece. All the action of the Finn's is a reflection of being in proximity of their larger bellicose neighbour which has seen it fit to embrace dictatorship at the expense of democracy and freedom of expression and non violent expression of dissenting views. People especially here in Africa see Russia as some form of benign and benevolent dictatorship that unlike the West did not colonise Africa. Well guess what it is only checnya and Belarus who operate oppressive dictatorships that are at ease with Russia, all the other countries prefer to operate democracies of various shades rather than the three aforementioned countries.
Small correction - "not IF Ukrain", but WHEN Ukraine reconquer" Crimea and other territories.
Suomi mainittu, torilla tavataan!
(Finland mentioned, at the marketplace we meet!)
true words
Sad fact is that Russia is only reason why Finland must prepare their country for such madness. It is just sad to be honest. Finnish defence is also built only against Russian invasion, there is no other purpose for it. Just sucks to have an agressor as a neighbour.
Great videos man, keep it up! You deserve way more likes!
Cheers! 😊
We have bunkers here too, but only for the people that start the wars.
I sometimes wonder if you will run out of subjects, but you keep outdoing yourself with better and better videos. This hands down is the best to date.
Thank you and happy new year!
There is important history made multiple times a year. We have a lot of years to visit yet.
I think the only reason for Finland to take Karelia back, is if Russia is dissolved and cut into smaller pieces, making Karelia a region without a nation.
I am Russian who spent some years in St Petersburg, and I personally think Karelia is one of the most beautiful places in the world.
I also believe that Russia occupying it is an enraging historical injustice and one day we will be able to rectify it once we "clean our room", ifykwim.
Russian side of Karelia is fucked. We Finns don't want to pay to fix it. Russia can keep it.
@@jokuihmehyyppa it is certainly for the Finnish nation to decide, but russian Karelia is fine for russian standards.
Definitely one of the better regions.
Not counting the potential political leanings of the population, Vyborg is closer in terms of quality of life and infrastructure to Finland than to Petersburg.
@@LoisoPondohva It's perfect for russians who are used to shotty roads, no power and no running water. For Finns it:d be a huge mess that would take lots of money and time to fix for basically no benefit.
@@jokuihmehyyppa I've lived in Europe and US for the last 10 years, so I do have a good perspective on nice infrastructure.
Russian Karelia is not at that level, but it's MUCH higher than the average Russian region.
And of course you are entitled to not wanting it back. Though, I think it would be a nice buffer zone for Helsinki even if nothing else.
But I am personally friends with a couple of Finns who do want it back.
So I guess the Finnish nation will have to decide anyways, there doesn't seem to be a perfect agreement.
@@LoisoPondohva Those who want it back are in the extreme minority. There is nothing left for Finland or Finns in the region. Not even our relatives.
Meanwhile in Norway: Our bomb shelters are used as night clubs and bike storage.
Right choice!
**Techno viking keeping dance**
So... Each Finn have 3~4 nuclear bomb shelters for personal use? 🤣😂 That's the ultimate prepper playing in ultra hard mode.
i mean, they've been playing hard mode since the beginning because their border is russia
Our whole defence is build for attacks from easy. Köhköh. For over 70y its Been improved.
What if the enemy attacks from West?
-Yes Russia might attack from there too.
How do you get 3-4 shelters per person when there's shelter *capacity* (not even shelters per se, but capacity) for around 4.4 mil people and finland has around 5.5 mil people.
@@NexnDystxpia Had to remember one thing that not everyone have luxury to be in bombshelters in wartime.
Also there is so much open space on western side and north of coutry that even preparing half of that
capasity for people living in big cities is bit overkill because huge percentance will flee anyway
long before shelling starts.
In reality to have that much of potential shelter space is just better to be safe than sorry no
matter how much of it is going to be ever used.
@@Kesssuli Why are you telling this to me?
Nothing has changed in Russia, Moscow is a perfect place to make it the largest parking spot in the world !
4:50 Stalin wanted to move the Finnish border but when Finland refused, Soviets labeled Finland as a fascist state and invaded the country.
When you compare this to the "de-nazification operation" in Ukraine, can you see any similarities?
5:19, this, for some mysterious reason, sounds familiair to something happening now. Strange how history seems to repeat itself, and scary what a little hubrise can accomplish in man.
Finland has 900 000 reserves
Welcome to NATO, Finland! 💪💪
4:22 second time. Every century. 1400. 1500. 1600. 1700. 1800. 1900. Once or twice
Hum. SU: "I want 40km of your land. And I'll give you some icy hell nobody wants, including us"
FI: "Lolwut"
SU: "They are facists! Let's invade"
Sounds kinda familiar...
That 40 km of land included the southern stretch of our main defense line of the Karelian Isthmus. Our politicians thought they wanted that piece of land to have a more favourable position to attack from if we refused their next request. In reality, the Soviet intelligence was as lazy and corrupt as the Russian one is today - they didn't even know there was a defense line!
Cool that you included the "Replot/Raippalouoto bridge" (at 8:29 in the video), as I live close to it and cross it quite often😁
1) I wish my country had a serious bunker capacity. It's not just aggressive Russia, the universe is generally somewhat unfriendly and even a remote volcano blowing up may result in suffocating ash and poisonous gas clouds forcing you to shelter somewhere. How are you going to stay sheltered for a week or two, in our non-resilient societies?
2) maybe it's a good thing that only Fins will survive and repopulate the Earth ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
3) there's no way a single Fin is going to enter that shelter without a bottle of alcohol. Not that they are drunks, but it's just common sense to take some social lubricant with you.
umm, actually, the one bunker you talked about in the beginning IS actually designed to survive a direct hit.
Thx for the info!
Many bunkers are built to have direct hit by nuclear weapons, and to survive it
A lot of people have allergies, especially to cats, and shelters have very limited supplies of medication. Animals would also require scarce food and water that could go towards feeding people, so they could cause trouble between pet-owners and the rest of the people. Plus, they are more prone to make the closed area unsanitary because of their urine and feces. So in the grand scheme of things it is be better to abandon the pets, grieve the loss in the bunker and then just get new pets after the war.
Also they would take much of that lot needed space while they would also have to be kepts seperate from each other, but still have ability and freedom to move around.
It's impossible task to have, it's impossible to control such scenario or whole another city would be need to build under the city.
Also I want to add that they would increase contagion from one to another, especially in such closed tight spaces.
Leaving the Puppe dog outside would be away from the Puppe.
Taking the Puppe dog inside would be away from multiple humans.
Most excellent to read an intelligent post from someone who completely 'gets it"! Thank you and well said!
People who are allergic to animals aren't really gonna be useful genetically to rebuilding humanity post-nuke, so they get a bullet to the mouth from me if they try and do anything to my shit.
@@patriot9487 Fear not, I do not think anyone wants to do anything to your shit. Civilized people just flush it.
@@tukkajumala how clever 🙄
Pending on the severity of the situation I would probably choose to stay outside
I mean you dont live in these, you go hide there when the air raid sirens go off and then go back home after.
Also some hospitals have the possibility to treat patients underground in bunkers under the hospital
This is what our lovely neighbors, Moscowites, make us do.
I'd replace "w" with "sh"
Scared? Nice! Now, dance.
@@kentishka-iz-naliva not scared, just dissapointed of you
@@kentishka-iz-naliva Definitely makes us trust your kind. Thanks for the warning, now we now Russia is after Finland again (not that it came as a surprise after the invasion of Ukraine).
@@namelessuser7902 “Now you know”? That’s the spirit of long-term strategic planning! Shifting from being a neutral neighbor to a direct military opponent is… wise at best. Why comparing yourselves to the Ukraine? Yeah, both were created by Lenin basically, but the similarities end here. To become more similar to the Ukraine, your government might ban the use of Swedish and start killing Swedish people living in Finland, which, afaik, doesn’t happen atm.
To the rest of the world: Study and learn from the country who has got the best defense system in world !!!
Who Finland Fears? = No one.
Are there more details about the type of countermeasures Finland puts in place in their total defense plan? The examples given in the video were amazing!
As from metal industry; there are some rumors, that metal industry companies of certain size and certain machinery have custom tooling from Defence forces and some mandates. In the need we will quite fast adapt in making for example mortar shells by lathes etc.
These are common knowledge, but hey...
For one, landsales near defense or infrastructure installations are reviewed and can be potentially denied by the government to prevent espionage, sabotage and the creation of secret hostile forward supply depots. These measures are being reviewed at the moment to prevent the abuse of shell entities. The forced purchase and denial of future acquisition of any land by any Russian entity is currently in discussion, but legally problematic as people are supposed to have rights.
While not only a part of total defense planning the National Emergency Supply Agency constantly develop new infrastructure to ensure that basic services run and that all basic needs are met for the whole populace (food, medication, manufacturing tools) during any crisis - war or even a pandemic. These goods are stored similarly to munitions reserves mostly in double blind sealed warehouse bunkers, where the staff nor the owners know what they actually store. Some were unsealed during the pandemic to minimise critical sortages. Normally goods are rotated out before expiration to minimise waste - like a pantry. Sweden used to have a similar system, but it was cut.
The interesting part though is that there are a LOT of them. It is considered a given that Russian espionage is competent enough to locate such bunkers though likely with a great deal of effort that would be noticed. Alas, they would be fine logistical targets. However, it is unlikely that Russian Intelligence can find all of them, let alone bomb all of them. Or maybe they could and would waste strike capability on infrastructure build deep into solid rock. Either way, it is a win.
Then, if you have any expertise in a useful field the Finnish Defense Force will assign you to an applicable position to best use their limited manpower. Limited in a sense that each dead soldier is a loss to the civilian economy. There won't much left if by "scraping the barrel" 60 percent of the population is dead.
Lastly and very cynically, human capital is Finland's largest asset so each dead defender is lost potential from Russian war spoils. All infrastructure and technology is set to be destroyed along with required operating knowledge. Artillery charts exist for the whole country and continquencies for continquencies.
Again very VERY cynically and going to logical extreme, the Finnish total defense plan dictates a methodology to kill as many people as efficiently as possible and denying any potential gains from a war - a bloodbath.
It is sad and distasteful, but without outside intervention that is the only effective plan.That is a plan fostered by WW2 and the Cold War when you plan to carry on alone.
@@TuntematonX that's so cool. And it may be common knowledge among the Finns, but to us outsiders (even fellow Scandinavians such as myself), it is not. So thank you for that writeup, it's very interesting.
A thought on the value of the double-blind supply depots/bunkers: it also has an attritional value. If the Russians need to hit them all to ensure disruptions of, say, military hardware like artillery shells, they will also waste a bunch on hitting stocks of baby food and whatnot. That's causes problems for the civilian populace, absolutely, but it doesn't hinder the military defence effort except their own in depleting their stocks of advanced, precision munitions.
Watch Finnish defence force videos there is video 1 hour about how things would evolve if war comes. I think video is Taistelukenttä 2020 = battlefield 2020
I remember, that there is evacuation plan for every citizen in Finland, if the bunkers aren't enough. I don't remember the name of the village that I would be evacuated, but I remember reading it somewhere.
There is also a plan for organizations in all key areas (finance, social security, etc) so they can keep on functioning. These organizations must name some key persons that would be in charge of things. They all get special training. If there is a crisis they will be evacuated in a secret location.
And many CEOs and directors participate in a special defence training so that everything runs smoothly in times of crisis.
komrade 1: Ah, Finland, for sure 5:19, right komrade?
komrade 2: da, i agree too, this should be easy invasion mission hahaha
snow: yeah me to ahahaha
tree: same here ahahahaha
blizzard: _start playing 'Säkkijärven polkka'_
_later two soviet army found dead with headshot in snow_
Fun fact: The Säkkijärven polkka was actually used as defence. It was played in the radio to prevent soviets to detonate their radio-controlled mines.
Imagine invading a country and loosing miserably, oh wait thats happening again.
looks like Puting didnt learn history smh
It's pretty ironic as well. Russia was invaded twice by Napoleon and Hitler and neither worked. You'd think the Russians would learn not all invasions of another country would go well but I guess not.
It's unlikely that Finland wants Petsamo, Karelia and Salla back.
70 years of Russian rule have destroyed any infrastructure there, it would cost Finland a fortune to raise the living standards and infrastructure to basic levels of a first world nation. Vyborg (Viipuri) was Finland's second largest city, but now it's a bunch of crumbling buildings that are falling apart.
This + plus the fact that you can't kick the people out from annexed lands according to UN laws, but we wouldn't really want to keep them in either.
@@NexnDystxpia exactly, and the last thing Finland needs is a significant Russian minority.
@@PatricioMartinezz And their shady connections.
Everything Russia touch turns to shit, except piss.
Petsamo though.. 😆 arctic ocean access sounds kind of nice. At out summer house we still have an old map with Laadoka (Huge lake) signs in it
i am finnish and live near helsinki. cool to see you making a video about my country
Main shelters in Helsinki capital region are built within bedrock and can withstand direct nuclear hit. Most shelters are smaller and for few days of use max, built in cellars of larger apartment buildings.
Actually it's very unlikely that we (Finland) would take back Karelia and other lost territories. Like this video also said after saying that our leaders would be open to take back these territories but then told correctly that Finnish people oppose it so this was pretty conficling. There is so many Russians and those territories are in horrible condition after being lost about 80 years. Young people don't support this but older people have so much trauma and nostalgia so they would want to have these back. But really it would be totally crazy. Actually Yeltsin offered talks about this case after the USSR collapse but our leaders weren't even then interested.
I used to have my Triathlon-training at that swimming-pool when I was a teen. Itäkeskuksen uimahalli. It was very fun for all ages. Highly suggested
Peace in Europe , conflicts around globe.
Conflicts in Europe, peace around the globe .
Newton's (when he was drunk) law of motion 😂😂😂😂😂.
Some things of note here!
1. While we do have conscription for males aged 18-27(?), we also have what we call "civil service", which prepares one to become a civil servant during wartime, as services like schools, libraries, nursing homes, etc still have to manage under war time conditions. This is a type of service many whom don't enjoy the military service take.
2. While the demographic to be conscripted either into military or civil service are male (obvs including trans men btw), the public discourse over the last couple of years has been about making conscription gender neutral, meaning regardless of one's gender, they'd still get conscripted.
3. Those who do not serve the state on religious or ideological grounds are given a prison sentence. The severity of the sentence can range from a tracking collar on your ankle to actual time in prison, depending if you have any prior stuff on your criminal record.
4. The nuclear shelters around the country vary A GREAT DEAL when it comes to quality and maintenance. The images you see here are from downtown Helsinki, in which, these places are kept well and such.
But should you go to "poorer areas" like Helsinki suburbs, the shelters there are ill-equipped to handle any biological or radioactive threats, as the filtration systems on those have not seen maintenance since the 1980's. Some of these spaces have been a dumping ground for different municipal services for their hardware and getting all that out of those spaces takes way more time than the advertised 72h.
Personal story:
As offspring of Viipuri refugees, none in my family want the parts of Karelia back that were lost once.
For us, taking over Viipuri from its current inhabitants would make us the conqueror... And the very thought is disgusting.
I obviously can't speak for everyone, but I'd rather not tear open that wound again any time soon.
Also if you do not go into the army when the time comes then the police Will literally come and pick you Up and take you there, if you Still refuse you Will be given a sentence.
welp
sounds all similar to the conscription experience here in VN (we too live near an horrible neighbor)
I wonder how many bunkers Canada has probably none lol😭
Yo on a serious note, I'm always excited when this guy uploads. Like bro my teachers could never make history/facts this interesting smh. I wish this guy was my teacher.
Haa, Russia called Finland 'Fascists' so they can invade their neighbor... AND Finland kicked their butts.
Haaa, Russia just called Ukraine 'nazis' so they invaded their neighbor.... AND Ukraine IS kicking their butts.
Hey, didn't Japan kick their butts too ?
"They're open to get the lands back if Russia offers" What's the source? I mean Finland already had the chance when the Soviet Union collapsed but the Finnish president Mauno Koivisto was not interested
It was not that easy, officially it was never offered back
@@samueljack3731 When I said it was easy? I was talking about a chance. Finland wasn't interested so there were no negotations. Lev Pauzin said they had already voted and they were willing to talk about giving those previous lands back, Koivisto refused. Especially Vyborg was so badly damaged they wanted to get rid of it. Then Boris Jeltsin said they're willing to talk about the possibility to get those lands back - Koivisto refused again "We don't need more land, we don't even have enough people to populate our lands we already have"
No pets is a mistake. What happens when you run out of food? But, of course, I'd never dream of eating my own pet. On the other hand, if I was hungry enough, I could eat someone else's. Pet swapping parties could be a thing then?🐶🧑🍳🌭🙀
What about all the food the pets need?
@@sam512 there would be plenty of un-alive people for them to eat 🤷♂️
Back in the 2014 Ukraine officials asked FDF for advice how to create a defense against Russia. They started to plan their defense with Finnish advisors. The strategy is pretty much the same just because of that.
Really? Could you point me to a source, i’d love to read up on that.
@@potatofuryy Source: his ass.
Why they asked? Those troops which attack to Finland were mostly ukrainians. Didnt they learn anythink?
@@jarimakela7307 Can you name any other Ukrainian division than that 44th Division which was destroyed on Raate Road? Surely you should if majority of manpower were from Ukraine. There were 30+ Soviet divisions on Finnish front. Okay, I am pretty sure there could be 2-5 of them, but not majority, not at all.
Except that Finns evaquate civilians from battle zones, Finns don't have nazi militia as part of defence forces, Finns have trained conscripts For 100 years through peace and war times while Ukraine has had enemy inside its territory for 8 years and for all this time they have not trained reservist until war got hotter year ago, but yeah other than that it is pretty similiar.
As a Swiss, I think our countries can get along.
This is the best video you’ve done to date. Very interesting. Well done.
No alcohol would be allowed. So basically you show up wasted. Also, yes, you would stay on the other side with the pet. 😢 I get it. Pet food and poop and everything would be hard to control. But no, you stay with your pet damn it.
Finlandia, finlandia!
I'm glad Finland and Switzerland both have bunkers to protect their population, I wish more governments would care about "worst case scenarios" and building infrastructure with the fingers crossed to never use them. Or at least, stuff that doesn't benefit them specifically or benefit them now.
Its much easier to just build bunkers when you dont have own military forces isnt it?
Finland is an example to the rest of Europe. I have great respect for Finland, for fighting off stalin’s hordes and fo preserving their country today, while having this barbaric neighbor to the East…❤
The Finns are playing fallout in real life
This is awesome. The finish people are awesome people. I'm a American, but even the Finland gov. Never ceases to amaze me. They are great people and obviously care about their peoples survival.