Correction/edit with the calculation: 100 damage bonus being increased by 500% increased damage bonus would be 100x6= 600% total damage bonus which = 7x multiplier 163 damage bonus being increased by 500% increased damage bonus would be 163x6=978% total damage bonus which = 10.78x multiplier Having the 39% crit damage bonus suffix on the bow + the 24% crit damage bonus in the 2 runes, therefore, would increase an attack hit of 100 to 1078 vs 700 without having that suffix/2 runes--- a total dps increase of 54% more damage (assuming 500% increased crit bonus and 100% crit chance)
@@xzmlol you clearly didn't understand a single thing, the crit damage on the bow is local and is increasing the base multiplier number BEFORE the additive % increased crit damage scales your damage. It works exactly the same way as having crit chance on the bow, which increases the base crit chance number before being scaled by the increased crit chance on the passive tree / items / gems etc
Great video! This tech has been known for a while by ppl doing snipe, and it was extremely annoying trying to get an upgrade to by bow, since all weapons on trade had phys runes in them. Snipe has 250% crit multi on the gem itself, so having multi on the bow is a huge deal. Also sidenote: the buffed powertreads with a corrupt can give you +14% crit multi per power charge as well, just anointing the +2 max power charge means the boots will give you 84% base crit multi, almost double damage if you have no other sources.
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For those confused: When he says tier 1 he means the highest tier, not the lowest. PoE 1 had tier 1 as the best modifier so people keep mixing this up. :)
he wasn't correct. His heralds weren't chaining. All he cared about was lightning arrow damage, which is wrong. Crit can still yield higher numbers, which is fine, it's just completely unnecessary because a proper herald setup full clears 3 screens away without mirror tier gear.
@@ominarous I am doing his build and of course his heralds are chaining. He probably uses extra cold jewel but you can get some cold damage its easy. My builds is never more than hundred divs, crit is the way my brother.
we knew this from monks for like a month, when everyone was searching base phys staffs, just getting howa with a big WED and max crit was like 3x dps even with trash phys dps what we weren't sure till PoB was if it was like a More multiplier or improving the base crit bonus. thats why even going Monk with Pillar its worth to just go crit with 3x crit dmg runes on pillar, its pretty ridiculous that pillar multiplies the flat damage from howa too
So "+" or "to" refer to base value addition and "increased" is the multiplier. Multiple sources of "increased" are additive so "increased for attacks" adds to the same multiplier as "increased" with the limitation that only attack sources get this addition. "more" always is a second multiplier after all.
isn't it just easier to say that critical damage bonus is its own seperate damage bucket, thus, is multiplicative with increased critical damage bonus?
I mean but that's not true lol. It raises the base value as belton clearly shows. Hell the tool tip in games shows that its multiplicitive. It doesn't have its own bucket, so you will see diminishing returns once you get passed 175% or so but there isn't even a way to get that much to base anyway.
@@dunkdamonkYou just contradicted yourself. Being in its own bucket, literally means it's multiplicative. "Bucket" being a separate parenthesis in a PEDAS formula.
@@curveofsound these guys just want to argue for no god damn reason lmfao. If they can't contextualize the point I was trying to make in my 1 sentence idk what to tell them.
Hey, @BeltonPoE ! I copied this bow into PoB and was messing around with it. For my setup, a t1 flat lightning damage modifier was giving way more dps than the %phys/accuracy modifier. Just wondering if you've tried that. Thanks for the awesome vid!
Am I the only person that feels like This Guy is speaking another language that we haven’t yet figured out? Crit damage + exult + Crit + critical = critical x exult = Crip
Yeaaap. Noticed this calculation from Moxsy's crit build, but the bow market for crit chance + crit dmg bonus is insanely absurd ever since like around 3 weeks ago.
yeah moxsy put me on game with that build and bow. bought my bow for like 2 div when that vid dropped, then it went up to 20 now after this that everyone else will be englihtened. crit chance + crit damage on that bow will probs be worth 60 div - 100 div now
@@arekdevss T_T I was too focused on having a high phys dmg that the bow I bought at the time didn't have the crit dmg bonus only the crit chance and the next time I tried to browse for crit chance + crit dmg bonus, the prices were like 15 div and up and I couldn't afford it anymore
@mangosteen. 1 easy hack is to just add the crit damage bonus runes to ypur bow, the 24% is actually still quite a lot. It wont be min maxing like belton but youll be surprised how much extra damage you get
Lol as some other people mentioned, the monk community knew about this like 2 weeks in EA. Crit damage is theoretically the highest modify but it also depends on how much crit damage you get from other sources.
I’ve been holding onto a bunch of crit quivers for a few weeks, they appeared to be worthless but they were so good I didn’t want to get rid of them. I’m curious to see what they end up being worth now.
I managed to get into crit really early on so ive been waiting for a ton more people to be ready to switch over my damage reaches insane points and Im still missing BIS stats
Love your videos! Very informative and entertaining. Because of this video, I tried to get Crit bonus on my quarterstaff by getting a dextral/whittling. Goodbye 21 divines but I hit it first try!! (I wasn't going to try again btw, too poor) It went from stun duration to Crit bonus. Very lucky and happy as hell right now!! I linked the staff but I think the comment will get deleted
I have a phys bow with 405 dps and a crit bow with 4.8 crit hit chance and 3 sockets of crit damage bonus but about half the tool tip dps. With a crit build change on my passive tree the crit bow maps and bosses better than the flat phys bow by a decent margin.
increased critical damage bonus works the same as "extra" dmg scaling to everything which is how i have a build with 13.6mil dmg per hit using "extra" dmg lol
Maligaro's Virtuosity Fine Bracers (60-80)% increased Evasion Rating (20-30)% increased Critical Hit Chance 5% increased Attack Speed +(10-20) to Dexterity Your Critical Damage Bonus is 300% These should help with that bow build
"Your Critical Damage Bonus is 300%" Sets your Crit multi to 300%. "+to critical damage bonus" is a multiplier of Crit multi. I would think that Maligaros would not interact at all with additional crit dmg multipliers. Your dmg bonus will always be 300% while the gloves are equipped. Not to mention that you would have to give up Hands of wisdom and action, the strongest gloves in the game, to use Maligaros. Definitely not.
+5 is mega bait anyway, it is not nearly as much damage as crit or crit damage with the absolute horrible side effect of double or trippling your mana costs. Same for quiver btw.
Could have saved 10 minutes on the video by just saying crit damage bonus on weapons is a more multiplier. No need for the convoluted examples, that explains it all and any POE player will know what that means.
Was wondering why my crit build was doing such wild damage. I’ve been playing with it for the last 2 and a half weeks, just randomly thought it would be fun when I got those unique crit gloves, wanted to try and convert my whole build into crit and it ended up working better than the copy and paste “meta” build I was using.
Hey man, I was just looking at the calc'ed example you gave, and something just doesn't quite sit right with me on it. Whenever you calculated the multiplier with a 163% Crit Damage Bonus and 500% Increased Damage Bonus, you stated that you had a 9.78 Multiplier of base damage on Crit based on (1.63 * 6 = 9.78). My only issue with this is that if you use this same process for base values: +100% Crit Damage or 2x Multiplier | 0% Increased Critical Damage Bonus or a 1x Multiplier | Results in 1.0 * 1x = 1x Multiplier of Base Damage on Crit This calculation says that you do the exact same damage on crit that you would be doing on a non-crit. Unless the intended statement was supposed to be 978% Increased Damage on Crit (or a 10.78x), that makes more sense. I may just be misunderstanding it entirely, so feel free to correct me on anything btw. I haven't done any testing to validate any values on this, it was just the math example itself that had me questioning what made sense.
What are your thoughts on HOWA for flat and then going all in on crit damage with something like Death's Harp, which can give 85% + 12% + 12% = 109% Also, how criminally undervalued Powertreads? Powertreads that give up to +14% critical damage bonus per power charge, so +64% critical damage bonus with no other investment in maximum power charges since they give +1, or if you grab the +4 power charges on the tree and +1 helmet enchant you can achieve 9 power charges which gives +126% critical damage bonus. Honorable mention to crown of thorns (pain attunement = 30% MORE critical damage bonus while on low life), since low life is kind of awkward to achieve in POE2 so far (Infernalist only, basically).
ggg confirmed on forums that powertreads are bugged/written wrong they give increased crit bonus, not base crit bonus hopefully they fix the wording soon.. deaths harp is far too low base dmg to compete with a naatural bow(by design) howa helps with flat dmg, but doesnt scale that well because its not scaled by the bow itself outside attack speed phys is the base flat dmg on bows, you then have flat phys prefix which is multiplied by increased phys % prefix and hybrid phys.% prefix and that is then multiplied by 20% more phys from quality and all of that is then multiplied by attack speed/aps. It is also hard to come by inc dmg % sources on a full crit build tree wise so you kind of need proj speed+bow dmg on quiver prefix, meaning you cant get multi flat sources there. Breach ring + ingenuity would help some, but would still suffer from the lack of multiplicative scaling that phys prefixes would give to simply having added flat phys / you also probably want flat cold either on quiver or ring for HoI/freezing sake. the howa is still probably bis--- but alone with deaths harp would be underwhelming. It might be a good starting place though if working your way up-- encourage you to check out pob and test it cheers!
indeed. Some ppl claming a non-crit based bow is in any way shape or form competitive must be joking. Meanwhile they get +5 on their bow and have to solve a gigantic mana issue lol
It's funny, a lot of people had figured it out already but now the discord junkies who can't do some basic maths are jumping on deck since they have PoB to lean on 😂
It's actually a lot less complicated than he made it seem. Crit multi on weapons is a more multiplier to the rest of your crit multi, or in other words, it is multiplicative rather than additive with other sources of crit multi, which makes it very strong.
its crazy how many people still put phys runes on EVERYTHING just because they wanna see 600+ phys dps. making divs off phys runed up quarterstaffs is just nuts rn.
to fix the determinism in crafting but keep the rng they should add 2 omens one allows you to lock a prefix while orbing one allows you to lock a suffix while orbing.
So after watching this I looked through my stash to see what bows I saved, and I have A bow with "Fires additional arrow, 1.6 extra crit chance, extra phys damage, 10% extra attack speed, and 4.5% life leach" and it's not corrupted, and I can add sockets. Is this good? Lol
nice. I was going back and forth with someone about this earlier. had no idea the bonus on weapon is essentially local now. I guess they should put base crit bonus at the top of the weapon then, with the other local/base stats.
i caught on to this pretty early and has been able to stack 800% crit damage relatively cheap on my deadeye build t4 arbiter is a joke with that amount of damage
i just found out today that there actually is an enchant you can get through vaaling rings that can give increased critical damage bonus as well. too bad its like impossible to get reliably but i did hit it today on a ring it was an 18% bonus which is pretty wild as it also gets boosted with ingenuity
i noticed that when i was playing the second week , if you see the mod on the weapon it says "to" same as crit chance which meant it goes to the base value honestly i thought its known thing but i guess i was wrong , gg bow though keep up the good work
Crit crit crit! Saying it since weeks, also did a 4m PoB with non optimized gear. Completely blows any non-crit build out of the water and it is not even close.
@@dsb_training That is a very conservative calculation with LA on a single arrow on one of the best clear skills in the game, feel free to multiply by 5 (arrows). Single target (vs your gemling 20m dps) is in the hundreds of millions, but that is obviously not needed now. Weird comparison. All that while maintaining 60% evasion with Acrobatics, 3500es before Grim Feast and 2400 life. As tanky as it gets for a Ranger. The moment Spark Archmage Mana stacking is nerfed (which will obviously happen) this is far any beyond the strongest build left.
@@zefuinejuce Optimized = full mirror gear. Non-optimized, 10-20% below that, still several hundreds worth of div....70d is like a decent starter build at this stage of the EA. No offense man.
What I don’t get is how or why are omens so scarce. I’ve been running rituals minimum lvl 80 with 8/8 atlas on rituals and the craft ones seem non existing. Am I missing something? Do I need to always run lvl81 or 82 maps?
Hello I’m seeking help with crafting. I just paid 16d for an amulet and don’t want to ruine it because I don’t know what I’m doing. What is the best way for me to reroll my +1 to spell skills to try and hit +3?
TLDR; Hey, I accidentally rolled unpopular mods on a bow and in the next 30 mins i'm gonna explain to you why it is so OP to have both crits related mods and sell you mirror service
Nothing to do with people not knowing. I think people knows, the issue is those bows cost 50 Div to buy .... So the majority of people prefer to play a "non crit build" as it's way more cheaper and accessible and strong enough to clear maps & boss (also non affected by modifier like "reduce crit chance" on waystones )
17:47 i have the same ring but slightly lower number of modifiers i didn't know it is price like that . I priced it 1 div and bo ones buying . Now im keeping it
Even as someone who didn’t believe in crit in the beginning, transitioning to full critical requires hitting such discreet values, not to mention adorned and crit magic jewels being insanely expensive. Personally would rather see a gradual and tangible increase in damage with the current meta-build. But this news is insane thank you Belton
not necessarily. something like 25% crit chance is very doable and impactful to overall damage. many builds overdo it with additive increases to damage for elements/weapons/projectile etc and simply moving some of that into a decent crit chance will have an overall larger impact on dps.
May I ask why you are calling the top tiers tier 1? I know this was how it was done in POE 1, but they changed this on POE 2. Why not call it what it is?
umm...isn't plus 5% adding 5% of the YOUR chance to crit. Meaning that +5% chance to crit brings you to 5.25% chance to crit? Or is it +5% More, meaning it adds a flat 5% bringing you to 10%?
Is local. Its a Flat 5% chance added to the bow's Base critical chance, bringing you to 10% Base crit. You then multiply the new 10% base with all of the "%increased crit chance" you have on the tree.
gosh my brain hurts, it felt like I was listening to a Dune Mentat talking to me in quantum language ughh so fkin interesting but I got soooo very little of it all except he seems to be on something I need to definitely understand :P But im only lvl 78 trying to clear my T8 maps I think, fml :P Tk u for the info !
Dear Belton, please hit the +2 arrows and I will be your first costumer for a mirror service. Sadly the +2 arrows is not really replacable (at least for a vast majority of bow builds). +5 skills is also a gigantic bait since scaling with attack skills is still not anywhere close to spells and increases mana cost to such hillarious heights that it creates more issues than it solves. Finally, IAS is the odd man out here in favour of +2 arrows.
you wrong. You don't need so many arrows. It is because you hit boss only with 1 arrow - even if you fire 6. So what you are looking for is max single target damage.
@@steven3825 boss is melted by cast on shock, crit or freeze. So... Nope. I'm taking full CRIT DMG and chance over anything else. I'm putting lightning orb, rods and start blasting with lightning Arrow. But from my experience huge dmg comes with shock or crit. Not with rods only.
Really useful info, but also the longest explanation I've ever seen of "hey you know how there's +X to maximum life and X% increased maximum life? Crit damage bonus works the same way". 😅
Honestly crit is ultra shit compared to the level stacking basic attack build. But i understand that this is just advertisement for the unpopular rolls you got
Crit damage is more damage but your looking at extreme overkill for most content attack speed has far less overkill issues as it spreads the damage out more and makes mapping much smoother
awesome. now these bows are even more expensive. this has been known in the smaller community since relase. my crit bow LA deadeye is hiting 340k. the reason this hasnt hit main stream yet is because people like bowbowbow isnt famous. and fubgun is.
Man, crafting is to much for me, this system seems to have a high learning curve and not viable for a full build to min max. At least in my perspective as someone who doesnt understand crafting
I feel like a good general wording rule to follow with maybe few exceptions is if you see "increased" on the mod, it is scaling. If you see "+ (insert number) to (insert stat)" it is added to the base value (flat damage is slightly different but similar wording with 'adds # blank damage').
The POB analysis is not entirely correct, because you assume you have 100% crit chance, with more realistic crit chance, (lets assume 50%) the crit multi on a weapon is 50% less effective meaning its much more comparable to attack speed modifier.
If you go with ambush support e.g it doubles your base crit. With 5m dmg on a clear skil (multiply it for each arrow you have) anything including map bosses just rolls over and dies. Meaning crit beyond 50% is less valuable. But in essence you are correct.
Its easy enough to throw an Eye of Winter at the boss for +10% base crit, effectively doubling your total critical chance. If you're lazy, put it into a Trigger setup, though youll drain your mana fast. Ambush for clearing, Eye of winter for bossing. East 80%+ Critical chance
You should make a course on poe2 crafting for income. Charge like $50 one time, or $20/month if you plan on continuously updating it. It helps people new to the series like me to see your current crafts and theories, and it would help us even more to have a little hand holding for transitioning between amateur who just finished t15 quests to veteran making 100 div mirror items. The reason I say charge for it is it allows you to go into even finer details without overcrowding the game's crafting community, and also rewards you for the effort you put into it. Some will say you sold out and unsubscribe, but they will be the minority and screw them anyway if you make a product that is worth what you charge for it. I, for one, am not interested in RMT, but I don't mind paying real money for a slight leg up knowledge wise.
likely the case for most/many lightning based skills because of lightning rod. it is similar for spark. cold has the highest base crit of any damage type, so monks/stave users would naturally migrate there first (and lightning rod, which makes non-crits lucky would not be a factor)
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Correction/edit with the calculation:
100 damage bonus being increased by 500% increased damage bonus would be 100x6= 600% total damage bonus which = 7x multiplier
163 damage bonus being increased by 500% increased damage bonus would be 163x6=978% total damage bonus which = 10.78x multiplier
Having the 39% crit damage bonus suffix on the bow + the 24% crit damage bonus in the 2 runes, therefore, would increase an attack hit of 100 to 1078 vs 700 without having that suffix/2 runes--- a total dps increase of 54% more damage (assuming 500% increased crit bonus and 100% crit chance)
No.
If you go crit you have 300+ crit bonus. 300 versus 339 is negligible.
@@xzmlol you clearly didn't understand a single thing, the crit damage on the bow is local and is increasing the base multiplier number BEFORE the additive % increased crit damage scales your damage. It works exactly the same way as having crit chance on the bow, which increases the base crit chance number before being scaled by the increased crit chance on the passive tree / items / gems etc
@xzmlol jesus 🤦🏻♂
Great video!
This tech has been known for a while by ppl doing snipe, and it was extremely annoying trying to get an upgrade to by bow, since all weapons on trade had phys runes in them.
Snipe has 250% crit multi on the gem itself, so having multi on the bow is a huge deal.
Also sidenote: the buffed powertreads with a corrupt can give you +14% crit multi per power charge as well, just anointing the +2 max power charge means the boots will give you 84% base crit multi, almost double damage if you have no other sources.
when are you going to abuse people again, I miss you abusing your own fans and viewers, please come back toxic belton
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As a crit invoker, this was known to me the first week of EA.
For those confused:
When he says tier 1 he means the highest tier, not the lowest.
PoE 1 had tier 1 as the best modifier so people keep mixing this up. :)
So basically don't watch this guy if you're trying to learn
PoE2 is stupid with reversed tiers.
@@Unknown-sz8kg tiers can be added to now
TL;DR: I made a crit bow. Crit good. Get my bow to channel your inner Legolas.
Bowbowbow was preching this for the longest time. Glad I changed my build to crit before PoB released.
he wasn't correct. His heralds weren't chaining. All he cared about was lightning arrow damage, which is wrong. Crit can still yield higher numbers, which is fine, it's just completely unnecessary because a proper herald setup full clears 3 screens away without mirror tier gear.
@@ominarous I am doing his build and of course his heralds are chaining. He probably uses extra cold jewel but you can get some cold damage its easy. My builds is never more than hundred divs, crit is the way my brother.
Yup. Crit is insane for bosses aswell
Using his build. An exta cold damage against the darkness is all you need. I even dropped cold damage on the quiver and it still works.
@ I am not even using that jewel. And it still works
we knew this from monks for like a month, when everyone was searching base phys staffs, just getting howa with a big WED and max crit was like 3x dps even with trash phys dps what we weren't sure till PoB was if it was like a More multiplier or improving the base crit bonus. thats why even going Monk with Pillar its worth to just go crit with 3x crit dmg runes on pillar, its pretty ridiculous that pillar multiplies the flat damage from howa too
Whats the ideal quarterstaff for crit? I have a 400dps staff with
%100phys
20-40 phys
99 elem damage to attack
+4 melee
26 crit bonus
+9 int
@@Kozi15pillar
@@Kozi15 I would say
%Physical
Elemental damage
add physical
Crit chance
Crit damage
Attack speed
Expert gothic base
@@Kozi15thats already a good staff
@@borislavtsokov1736 Yes, thats the BiS for Crit x phys. expert cresent for extra 10% attack speed but loss of 1.5% flat crit chance
So "+" or "to" refer to base value addition and "increased" is the multiplier. Multiple sources of "increased" are additive so "increased for attacks" adds to the same multiplier as "increased" with the limitation that only attack sources get this addition. "more" always is a second multiplier after all.
So... Critical damage bonuses multiply with INCREASED critical damage bonus...? That's crazy.
...and thats why any crit build will vastly out-dps any non-crit bow build now. Ppl have been sleeping on it for weeks.
isn't it just easier to say that critical damage bonus is its own seperate damage bucket, thus, is multiplicative with increased critical damage bonus?
I mean but that's not true lol. It raises the base value as belton clearly shows. Hell the tool tip in games shows that its multiplicitive. It doesn't have its own bucket, so you will see diminishing returns once you get passed 175% or so but there isn't even a way to get that much to base anyway.
@@dunkdamonkYou just contradicted yourself. Being in its own bucket, literally means it's multiplicative. "Bucket" being a separate parenthesis in a PEDAS formula.
@curveofsound feel free to do the math yourself.
It goes in base crit dmg bonus bucket, not it’s own
@@curveofsound these guys just want to argue for no god damn reason lmfao. If they can't contextualize the point I was trying to make in my 1 sentence idk what to tell them.
Thank you this was also some good info on crafting that I had overlooked.
Hey, @BeltonPoE ! I copied this bow into PoB and was messing around with it. For my setup, a t1 flat lightning damage modifier was giving way more dps than the %phys/accuracy modifier. Just wondering if you've tried that. Thanks for the awesome vid!
Am I the only person that feels like This Guy is speaking another language that we haven’t yet figured out?
Crit damage + exult + Crit + critical = critical x exult = Crip
Yeaaap. Noticed this calculation from Moxsy's crit build, but the bow market for crit chance + crit dmg bonus is insanely absurd ever since like around 3 weeks ago.
it is so absurd that nobody buys decent bow, yes. Because ppl have not been enlightened yet
yeah moxsy put me on game with that build and bow. bought my bow for like 2 div when that vid dropped, then it went up to 20 now after this that everyone else will be englihtened. crit chance + crit damage on that bow will probs be worth 60 div - 100 div now
@@arekdevss T_T I was too focused on having a high phys dmg that the bow I bought at the time didn't have the crit dmg bonus only the crit chance and the next time I tried to browse for crit chance + crit dmg bonus, the prices were like 15 div and up and I couldn't afford it anymore
@mangosteen. 1 easy hack is to just add the crit damage bonus runes to ypur bow, the 24% is actually still quite a lot. It wont be min maxing like belton but youll be surprised how much extra damage you get
lolcohol explained this about a month ago on his monk build
Lol as some other people mentioned, the monk community knew about this like 2 weeks in EA. Crit damage is theoretically the highest modify but it also depends on how much crit damage you get from other sources.
I’ve been holding onto a bunch of crit quivers for a few weeks, they appeared to be worthless but they were so good I didn’t want to get rid of them.
I’m curious to see what they end up being worth now.
I don’t know why it’s taken this long to realise how good crit is
+1 pricecheck, if you said it adds to base, would be way faster explanation
I managed to get into crit really early on so ive been waiting for a ton more people to be ready to switch over my damage reaches insane points and Im still missing BIS stats
You can ctrl Z in POB btw
Thing is, if every hit is critical, no hit is critical anymore, right? Then only double critical hits would really be critical
Blood mage is so good for its Sunder the Flesh ascendancy node and it boosting base spell crit chance to 15% :). Ty for the video sir!
Love your videos! Very informative and entertaining. Because of this video, I tried to get Crit bonus on my quarterstaff by getting a dextral/whittling. Goodbye 21 divines but I hit it first try!! (I wasn't going to try again btw, too poor) It went from stun duration to Crit bonus. Very lucky and happy as hell right now!! I linked the staff but I think the comment will get deleted
Highly informative as always! love the vids
Rip Fubgun.
I have a phys bow with 405 dps and a crit bow with 4.8 crit hit chance and 3 sockets of crit damage bonus but about half the tool tip dps. With a crit build change on my passive tree the crit bow maps and bosses better than the flat phys bow by a decent margin.
bro, about the Widowhail Crude Bow, should I insert 2 critical damage bonuses or 2 spirit runes inside? im used ice shot build with tornado shot
increased critical damage bonus works the same as "extra" dmg scaling to everything which is how i have a build with 13.6mil dmg per hit using "extra" dmg lol
Maligaro's Virtuosity Fine Bracers
(60-80)% increased Evasion Rating
(20-30)% increased Critical Hit Chance
5% increased Attack Speed
+(10-20) to Dexterity
Your Critical Damage Bonus is 300%
These should help with that bow build
"Your Critical Damage Bonus is 300%" Sets your Crit multi to 300%. "+to critical damage bonus" is a multiplier of Crit multi. I would think that Maligaros would not interact at all with additional crit dmg multipliers. Your dmg bonus will always be 300% while the gloves are equipped. Not to mention that you would have to give up Hands of wisdom and action, the strongest gloves in the game, to use Maligaros. Definitely not.
@@steven3825 didnt think about it that way. ill have to see if the 300% critical damage bonus is locked with any other critical bonus in pob2
Wouldn’t composite bow be better in this case since it got critical hit chance?
Those mirror bows already exist in two version, either with +5 or 2 arrows, just attack speed isn't
+5 is mega bait anyway, it is not nearly as much damage as crit or crit damage with the absolute horrible side effect of double or trippling your mana costs. Same for quiver btw.
Could have saved 10 minutes on the video by just saying crit damage bonus on weapons is a more multiplier. No need for the convoluted examples, that explains it all and any POE player will know what that means.
Was wondering why my crit build was doing such wild damage.
I’ve been playing with it for the last 2 and a half weeks, just randomly thought it would be fun when I got those unique crit gloves, wanted to try and convert my whole build into crit and it ended up working better than the copy and paste “meta” build I was using.
Nice video. How much do you charge for someone looking to mirror one of your items?
Hey man, I was just looking at the calc'ed example you gave, and something just doesn't quite sit right with me on it. Whenever you calculated the multiplier with a 163% Crit Damage Bonus and 500% Increased Damage Bonus, you stated that you had a 9.78 Multiplier of base damage on Crit based on (1.63 * 6 = 9.78).
My only issue with this is that if you use this same process for base values:
+100% Crit Damage or 2x Multiplier | 0% Increased Critical Damage Bonus or a 1x Multiplier | Results in 1.0 * 1x = 1x Multiplier of Base Damage on Crit
This calculation says that you do the exact same damage on crit that you would be doing on a non-crit. Unless the intended statement was supposed to be 978% Increased Damage on Crit (or a 10.78x), that makes more sense.
I may just be misunderstanding it entirely, so feel free to correct me on anything btw.
I haven't done any testing to validate any values on this, it was just the math example itself that had me questioning what made sense.
My brain reverted to poe 1 multi when explaining in the video on the fly, updated correct numbers in the pinned comment. ty!
Dayum. Got me hyped about all this. Thanks Belton!
What are your thoughts on HOWA for flat and then going all in on crit damage with something like Death's Harp, which can give 85% + 12% + 12% = 109%
Also, how criminally undervalued Powertreads? Powertreads that give up to +14% critical damage bonus per power charge, so +64% critical damage bonus with no other investment in maximum power charges since they give +1, or if you grab the +4 power charges on the tree and +1 helmet enchant you can achieve 9 power charges which gives +126% critical damage bonus.
Honorable mention to crown of thorns (pain attunement = 30% MORE critical damage bonus while on low life), since low life is kind of awkward to achieve in POE2 so far (Infernalist only, basically).
ggg confirmed on forums that powertreads are bugged/written wrong
they give increased crit bonus, not base crit bonus
hopefully they fix the wording soon..
deaths harp is far too low base dmg to compete with a naatural bow(by design)
howa helps with flat dmg, but doesnt scale that well because its not scaled by the bow itself outside attack speed
phys is the base flat dmg on bows, you then have flat phys prefix which is multiplied by increased phys % prefix and hybrid phys.% prefix and that is then multiplied by 20% more phys from quality and all of that is then multiplied by attack speed/aps. It is also hard to come by inc dmg % sources on a full crit build tree wise so you kind of need proj speed+bow dmg on quiver prefix, meaning you cant get multi flat sources there. Breach ring + ingenuity would help some, but would still suffer from the lack of multiplicative scaling that phys prefixes would give to simply having added flat phys / you also probably want flat cold either on quiver or ring for HoI/freezing sake. the howa is still probably bis--- but alone with deaths harp would be underwhelming.
It might be a good starting place though if working your way up-- encourage you to check out pob and test it
cheers!
Yes crit scaling is huge and that's why everyone going crit attack builds WITHOUT a weapon focused on that base crit damage, is probably trolling.
indeed. Some ppl claming a non-crit based bow is in any way shape or form competitive must be joking. Meanwhile they get +5 on their bow and have to solve a gigantic mana issue lol
It's funny, a lot of people had figured it out already but now the discord junkies who can't do some basic maths are jumping on deck since they have PoB to lean on 😂
Is it possible to find real ilvls per affix for a certain weapon?
CoE's seems to be incorrect on some mods.
The Nerd is Strong in this 1!!! I got so lost just a couple of his words into explaining.
Its cuz this game requires a Brian unlike d4 . U might wanna try that one
It's actually a lot less complicated than he made it seem. Crit multi on weapons is a more multiplier to the rest of your crit multi, or in other words, it is multiplicative rather than additive with other sources of crit multi, which makes it very strong.
@hdgdhnxbdx1619 and the day you can follow his teachings and make a mirror craft ill take your advice lol
NEW LOATH THUNDER INCOMIN......... LETS GO Belton
its crazy how many people still put phys runes on EVERYTHING just because they wanna see 600+ phys dps. making divs off phys runed up quarterstaffs is just nuts rn.
to fix the determinism in crafting but keep the rng they should add 2 omens one allows you to lock a prefix while orbing one allows you to lock a suffix while orbing.
So after watching this I looked through my stash to see what bows I saved, and I have A bow with "Fires additional arrow, 1.6 extra crit chance, extra phys damage, 10% extra attack speed, and 4.5% life leach" and it's not corrupted, and I can add sockets. Is this good? Lol
nice. I was going back and forth with someone about this earlier. had no idea the bonus on weapon is essentially local now.
I guess they should put base crit bonus at the top of the weapon then, with the other local/base stats.
i caught on to this pretty early and has been able to stack 800% crit damage relatively cheap on my deadeye build
t4 arbiter is a joke with that amount of damage
Damn... didn't think was news
i just found out today that there actually is an enchant you can get through vaaling rings that can give increased critical damage bonus as well.
too bad its like impossible to get reliably but i did hit it today on a ring it was an 18% bonus which is pretty wild as it also gets boosted with ingenuity
i noticed that when i was playing the second week , if you see the mod on the weapon it says "to" same as crit chance which meant it goes to the base value honestly i thought its known thing but i guess i was wrong , gg bow though keep up the good work
my man's the king of yap
Crit crit crit! Saying it since weeks, also did a 4m PoB with non optimized gear. Completely blows any non-crit build out of the water and it is not even close.
Meanwhile 0 crit gemlings with 20m dps
@@dsb_training That is a very conservative calculation with LA on a single arrow on one of the best clear skills in the game, feel free to multiply by 5 (arrows).
Single target (vs your gemling 20m dps) is in the hundreds of millions, but that is obviously not needed now. Weird comparison.
All that while maintaining 60% evasion with Acrobatics, 3500es before Grim Feast and 2400 life. As tanky as it gets for a Ranger.
The moment Spark Archmage Mana stacking is nerfed (which will obviously happen) this is far any beyond the strongest build left.
@@l.a.w.5738you say non optimized gear but I’ve sunk probably 70-80 div into my build and I am far from these stats lol
@@zefuinejuce Optimized = full mirror gear. Non-optimized, 10-20% below that, still several hundreds worth of div....70d is like a decent starter build at this stage of the EA. No offense man.
Non taken. We have different definitions of non-optimized. I’ll get back to farming now and hopefully update my definition very soon!
Please do a video on what you are saying about identifying ilvl logic
What I don’t get is how or why are omens so scarce. I’ve been running rituals minimum lvl 80 with 8/8 atlas on rituals and the craft ones seem non existing. Am I missing something? Do I need to always run lvl81 or 82 maps?
wait how much for the bow
12:00
not sure if u should have said 6x2=12 and than 6x2.63=15,78 ...
Hey PoE2, Noob here! I love your videos. I'm trying to craft myself, but I'm not very good at it so far. ^^
Hello I’m seeking help with crafting. I just paid 16d for an amulet and don’t want to ruine it because I don’t know what I’m doing. What is the best way for me to reroll my +1 to spell skills to try and hit +3?
@BeltonPoE
Hi, what is the best ring for ignite titan with hotg?
TLDR;
Hey, I accidentally rolled unpopular mods on a bow and in the next 30 mins i'm gonna explain to you why it is so OP to have both crits related mods and sell you mirror service
What I thought as well ye
Nothing to do with people not knowing. I think people knows, the issue is those bows cost 50 Div to buy .... So the majority of people prefer to play a "non crit build" as it's way more cheaper and accessible and strong enough to clear maps & boss (also non affected by modifier like "reduce crit chance" on waystones )
Only people not doing crit were probably warriors running no crit for 100% hit chance
This is how it looks like to have a PhD in PoE! Great thesis sir! Well done!
wait till they change how Deadeyes called shots work. imagine 2 snipers marks with 100% mark effect.
17:47 i have the same ring but slightly lower number of modifiers i didn't know it is price like that . I priced it 1 div and bo ones buying . Now im keeping it
Even as someone who didn’t believe in crit in the beginning, transitioning to full critical requires hitting such discreet values, not to mention adorned and crit magic jewels being insanely expensive. Personally would rather see a gradual and tangible increase in damage with the current meta-build. But this news is insane thank you Belton
Is crit magic jewels sapphire or green o.o im trying to keep up with adorned market but been failing
I play crit and adorned isn’t needed. Just that the crit chance n crit damage in the bow is very important.
not necessarily. something like 25% crit chance is very doable and impactful to overall damage. many builds overdo it with additive increases to damage for elements/weapons/projectile etc and simply moving some of that into a decent crit chance will have an overall larger impact on dps.
cheap crit builds were already better
how would this interact with Maligaro's Virtuosity Fine Bracers?
There is a Chinese dude who’s been making videos about this. Everyone on his comments said he was stupid lol
Crit good yup yup
May I ask why you are calling the top tiers tier 1? I know this was how it was done in POE 1, but they changed this on POE 2. Why not call it what it is?
Can’t wait for the Vaal 🤣
Does this work for wands as well?
umm...isn't plus 5% adding 5% of the YOUR chance to crit. Meaning that +5% chance to crit brings you to 5.25% chance to crit? Or is it +5% More, meaning it adds a flat 5% bringing you to 10%?
Is local. Its a Flat 5% chance added to the bow's Base critical chance, bringing you to 10% Base crit. You then multiply the new 10% base with all of the "%increased crit chance" you have on the tree.
I'm playing crit ice shot, been looking for a bow like that. To bad I have a job and will never have a mirror lol😂
wait for the crafting bench haha
no link to your shop anywhere
gosh my brain hurts, it felt like I was listening to a Dune Mentat talking to me in quantum language ughh so fkin interesting but I got soooo very little of it all except he seems to be on something I need to definitely understand :P
But im only lvl 78 trying to clear my T8 maps I think, fml :P Tk u for the info !
I saw some people talking about dropping the hydrid accuracy modifier to try Elemental Damage Attacks 100%, any thoughts on that?
probably pure phys is more universal and adds bleed/poison/chaos into equation, but yeah 100+ ele is the way on most of skills
Dear Belton, please hit the +2 arrows and I will be your first costumer for a mirror service. Sadly the +2 arrows is not really replacable (at least for a vast majority of bow builds). +5 skills is also a gigantic bait since scaling with attack skills is still not anywhere close to spells and increases mana cost to such hillarious heights that it creates more issues than it solves. Finally, IAS is the odd man out here in favour of +2 arrows.
you wrong. You don't need so many arrows. It is because you hit boss only with 1 arrow - even if you fire 6. So what you are looking for is max single target damage.
@@vayha79 thats not always correct. Most people are bossing with Lightning Rod. Having the extra arrows is huge for boss DPS as they can all shotgun.
@@steven3825 boss is melted by cast on shock, crit or freeze. So... Nope. I'm taking full CRIT DMG and chance over anything else. I'm putting lightning orb, rods and start blasting with lightning Arrow. But from my experience huge dmg comes with shock or crit. Not with rods only.
Crit team from day 1 🔥
Where is the PoB ?
Like literally since day one
Really useful info, but also the longest explanation I've ever seen of "hey you know how there's +X to maximum life and X% increased maximum life? Crit damage bonus works the same way". 😅
im new to arpg, does this guy actually play the game? not even in a rude way. like genuinely does he play the game or just trade and craft? lol
Honestly crit is ultra shit compared to the level stacking basic attack build. But i understand that this is just advertisement for the unpopular rolls you got
It's insane how you act like this is new tech or something lol, even in poe1 crit/attack speed were ALWAYS the most potent multipliers lol
another banger vid on crafting from POE 1 and 2 GOATed mirror gear crafter
Crit damage is more damage but your looking at extreme overkill for most content attack speed has far less overkill issues as it spreads the damage out more and makes mapping much smoother
awesome. now these bows are even more expensive. this has been known in the smaller community since relase. my crit bow LA deadeye is hiting 340k. the reason this hasnt hit main stream yet is because people like bowbowbow isnt famous. and fubgun is.
340K?!? What's your build look like? Or are you multiplying the damage for multiple arrows?
hi @belton, u shud always do a quick video, thanks!
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@@BeltonPoE hahah
Man, crafting is to much for me, this system seems to have a high learning curve and not viable for a full build to min max. At least in my perspective as someone who doesnt understand crafting
I feel like a good general wording rule to follow with maybe few exceptions is if you see "increased" on the mod, it is scaling. If you see "+ (insert number) to (insert stat)" it is added to the base value (flat damage is slightly different but similar wording with 'adds # blank damage').
The POB analysis is not entirely correct, because you assume you have 100% crit chance, with more realistic crit chance, (lets assume 50%) the crit multi on a weapon is 50% less effective meaning its much more comparable to attack speed modifier.
If you go with ambush support e.g it doubles your base crit. With 5m dmg on a clear skil (multiply it for each arrow you have) anything including map bosses just rolls over and dies. Meaning crit beyond 50% is less valuable. But in essence you are correct.
Its easy enough to throw an Eye of Winter at the boss for +10% base crit, effectively doubling your total critical chance. If you're lazy, put it into a Trigger setup, though youll drain your mana fast.
Ambush for clearing, Eye of winter for bossing. East 80%+ Critical chance
ppl knew it at first week of the game
You should make a course on poe2 crafting for income. Charge like $50 one time, or $20/month if you plan on continuously updating it. It helps people new to the series like me to see your current crafts and theories, and it would help us even more to have a little hand holding for transitioning between amateur who just finished t15 quests to veteran making 100 div mirror items.
The reason I say charge for it is it allows you to go into even finer details without overcrowding the game's crafting community, and also rewards you for the effort you put into it. Some will say you sold out and unsubscribe, but they will be the minority and screw them anyway if you make a product that is worth what you charge for it. I, for one, am not interested in RMT, but I don't mind paying real money for a slight leg up knowledge wise.
lol
Poe2 craft is gambling af
I wish i could have someone look at my build im level 83 and my bow is only doing 25k im new to this game and i really like but what im doing wrong
I hope to one day get this mirror bow its a goal of mine at 100 div currently but working towards buying it off you when you craft it! :)
Bro your almost half way their!
Doesn't a mirror item cost a mirror plus the div service fee?
Nice bow
everyone who uses warstaves knew this since like 3-4 weeks ago hmmm bow users are catching up
likely the case for most/many lightning based skills because of lightning rod. it is similar for spark.
cold has the highest base crit of any damage type, so monks/stave users would naturally migrate there first (and lightning rod, which makes non-crits lucky would not be a factor)