Please remember, it was amateur historian Philippa Langley, who's seven year research for the lost remains of Richard III. She was the driving force behind an excavation carried out in a car park in Leicester in 2012 which, incredibly, uncovered the bones of the last Plantagenet king. However, the actual digging was planned and carried out by archaeologists from the University of Leicester .
In 2022, a movie was made about this discovery and true enough Philipa langley was the actual driving force who made this discovery possible. Though, initially when Ms Langley approached University of Leicester for collaberation, they said she was crazy.... LOL
Thank you for reminding the readers of this BASIC REALIY! This is a fascinating video but also confirms without a doubt the arrogance of these ‘experts’ by their allocating all the credit of discovering RIII’s body to themselves! NASTY.
The digging was indeed carried out by the archaeologists but let us never forget that it was Philippa Langley who pinpointed the exact location of the grave and church as being in the northern end of the Social Services car park. The name - Philippa Langley should and will go down in our history books.
Everyone connected with this project should be justifiably proud, but especial credit should be offered to Phillipa Langley, whose dogged determination to find Richard III eventually led to this phenomenal discovery.
As Philippa Langley said "The only press conference that mattered was the one on 4 February 2013 to confirm that the remains were those of Richard III. The University wrongly presented themselves as leading the search that I had commissioned and paid for." Wiki.
That's not what was said in the above press Conference. Not one of them claimed to have done anything until the skeleton was found and they could go to work on it. PL is explicitly referred to at the end as "having compelled our attention". This is a tribute to those years of work that she put in and, imo, an acknowledgement of their sluggishness in paying attention to her evidence. Nevertheless, finding a skeleton is a long way from proving its identity. She could not possibly have done that work. All of the subsequent investigations were undertaken and paid for by the U of L. I think she should stop whining and grandstanding and bask in the science that proved her argument. They are nothing without each other.
Aren’t they? Because in this video on cam see the university recognise her as the one that got things started, which the movie would have us believe they didn’t do. As in “The Lost King” there is a theme of dogging into the story in order to sift out fact from fiction 😉
As she said "The only press conference that mattered was the one on 4 February 2013 to confirm that the remains were those of Richard III. That conference was the one attended by the world's media. I was not invited by the University to sit on the panel that faced the journalists and the University wrongly presented themselves as leading the search that I had commissioned and paid for. It is true the University invited me to address the conference but as the 13th of 13 speakers, long after the live TV news feed had ended."
Shame on the Uni. for the slightest of acknowledgment to Phillipa Langley, at the end. She did all the research, raised the funding, and told you where to dig. You took the glory.
Kinda like when the University of Kentucky makes an archaeological discovery and Harvard University steps in and steals the credit. Certainly political in nature so that the bigger university gets all the government grants
Disgusted with the University of Leicester. They’ve withdrawn recognition of Phillipa Langley and remove all trace of the original King in the Carpark video, because it makes them look arrogant and dismissive of her.
You mean the King in The Car Park documentary that is still available on Channel 4's site? (it was their documentary. Not sure how a university is supposed ot influence a commercially made documentary, or why her name appears so frequently on the university's own site if they withdrew recognition?)
I’m so glad there is now a wonderful movie which gives Philippa Langley the attention and credit she deserves and not just the brief mention at the end of the pontificating academics press conference.
@@emb74 True. There is a city called Leicester. There is a person called Philippa Langley. The skeletal remains of Richard iii were unearthed in a car park. Everything else depicted in the movie, might generously be described as ‘open to debate’.
Congratulations to Phillippa Langley, who should have been front and centre up front rather than consigned to a seat down below. The grandstanding/praise seeking by the University is unfortunate and diminishes their big (albeit belated) contribution to the whole project (speaking as a newbie to the whole affair who saw the 2022 movie The Lost King yesterday).
Very true, but the science of telling his story was done by researchers and scientists. By no means scientists take away the fact of previous research, amateur or not.
The reason Philippa Langley wasn't mentioned as much as she should have been is because if someone who is viewed as a non-academic by the University can do 7 years of research and correctly identify the location, it essentially suggests that academics aren't as highly valuable as is generally believed. I.e if a member of the public can make these groundbreaking discoveries but an established university can't, it reflects VERY badly on the university.
As a longtime supporter of Richard III (beginning when I read Josephine Tey's 'The Daughter of Time' in high school) I am delighted that his remains have finally been put to rest in the manner in which they deserve, and I applaud all those who contributed to the recovery and identification of his body. 'Loyalte me lie-Loyalty binds Me'. Requiescat En Pacem Ricardus III.
I recommend watching the film, The Lost King. If the film is true, the way the people on this panel treated and sidelined Phillipa Langley was a disgrace.
Please watch the film ‘The Lost King’ it shows the people shown in this clip as ‘Glory takers’ not giving the real credit for finding the remains on Richard 111 to the woman responsible. Philippa Langley. Credit where credit is due.
Exactly. Without her passion, fundraising, advocacy etc. these academics wouldn’t have had a GF Dig to talk about in the first place, never mind RIII’s remains & their journey to share in a a press conference.
AT 3:55 would have been an appropriate time to explain how and why the excavation happened, that it was spearheaded by Phillipa Langley. But R. Buckley skipped right over that step in the explanation. Shows how badly academics treat non-academics.
@Tim Webb Actually if you listen to Turi King's lecture on this project, he was found one parking space over from the "R". Not under the "R" but close enough!
@Computer User - Respectfully, the Natives were NOT the '1st' people in North America....and it IS the Lord GOD 'WHO DECIDES' who takes over what land on this earth, and who doesn't....Amen
Where is the honorary doctorate for Philippa Langley from the University of Leicester? Without her knowledge and expertise, the University would have much less material to promote itself.
Phillipa Langley drove the project, The Richard the 3rd society funded most of the dig. There is some question of who the archeologists were actually working for. It's rather uncomfortable listening to the University co-opt information from Phillipa's proposal for their presentations. I m having an issue believing that anyone associated with the University of Leicester has any ethics.
This is one of the most amazing discoveries. It aligns history, myth and science to finally confirm much of the story as told by the official history. The very existence of the skeleton in such good condition and still in situ despite the centuries of upheaval and building is nothing short of astounding.
What’s even more astounding, if it’s possible to be, is the fact that the only way of proving the skeleton _was_ Richard was taking DNA from 2 people, both of whom are the last of their lines!
It was Philippa Langleys work, research and determination to locate the grave and she came up with the funding .The University had not much to do with it.
Who else is here after seeing the movie "The Lost King"? I was interested in this at the time, but now have a different perspective of course. I was struck by the similarity between this and the Sutton Hoo dig. Shame on the usurpers who try to claim what is not their work. Looking at you, University of Leicester.
Sad.What went wrong?I love everything to do with archaeology.The cold(!)heat(!)broken nails(!)mud baths...No,I love it.Its an awesome experience & new every time.Its funny how many times you are asked if you've found any Dino's yet.My boss used to draw a deeeep breath & say "That's paleontology,this is archaeology!"
The car park in Leicester was next door to my old school (Alderman Newtons Boys School) but of course we never knew he was there. It was generally thought that his body was slung in the river just down the road.
This fasinated me since 2 years and what a wonderful expedition into a vanished world. Absolut astonishing. And what a joy for those who were engaged in this project!
Watching this once again after so many years, I'm jumping up and down with excitement just as I did when this press conference first happened! Well done to everyone involved!
There’s just something about the whole thing that is so awe-inducing & mind boggling in the best way possible that even after months or years it’s still so hard to fathom how on earth this came to be, how it all happened at just the right time. Everything that had to come together in just the right way at just the right time to not just find him but prove beyond doubt that it’s him… wow, just wow.
It's obvious watching this after seeing the new film - The Lost King - that Leicester University did exactly what the film shows - froze out Phillipa Langley, the real finder of Richard III. Let's see if Richard Taylor, seen taking the credit here, really does sue the producers for defamation. He won't dare.
They showed her sitting in the front row, and _named her,_ giving her credit for convincing the university to go ahead with the project, so how did they freeze her out??
@@voraciousreader3341 Because she is the one who actually found the king ! The exact spot for god's sake, after 7 years of personal research and recognized by the queen herself with MBE. Yet here she was not seated among them but down with reporters, only thanked in the last minute along thanking Leicester council ! You could hardly see her face in the split second she was shown on camera. So if this is not sidelining then I don't know what is. I am so glad they made the Lost King movie , which was amazing by the way, and serve her some justice.
The very first thing that should have come out of Richard Taylor's mouth was "none of this would have been possible without the tireless efforts and research of Philippa Langley." But y'all decided to take the credit and barely acknowledge her existence.
Exactly!! Under the guise of “hunting for the church” only did they find King Richard’s grave. This confused me at first, however I now know how corrupt academia is all over the world. I follow the hunt for the Princes by Philippia.
Congratulations to all involved with this fantastic discovery of King Richard lll And thankyou to the University of Leicester for this Video for us all to see.
I see no mention of Phillips Langley at all. An amateur historian who did all the hard work to locate the burial place. The Uni of Leicester planned and executed the dig
random people may make the discoveries, but universities always take the credit, doesn't matter if it's dinosaur bones, cave art, or in this case King Richard the 3rd, it always happens.
As someone who is not from York, and has now selfish reasons for him to be buried there, I also think he should be buried in York. What I hate more than anything is that this is being argued about over financial reasons though. This was a person, and a former King of England. I understand that traditionally this would mean near where he was found. But if it is genuinely believed he wanted York, then so be it. I would want my wishes to be given similar respect, even if it was 500 years later.
Not underrated….infamous!! The way Henry VII made it his business to suppress as much as he could about Richard’s true character, even directing William Shakespeare’s smear of Richard in a play, truly speaks to his clear knowledge that his claim on the throne was tenuous, at best, and that his conscience was bothered. And he was not a happy man, even before he lost his eldest son and heir and his loving wife, who died trying to give him another son. People never knew who to believe or who was right about Richard’s true character. At any rate, Richard III’s reputation will always be tarnished, too, unless historians find out who killed the young Princes in the Tower, the eldest of whom was the true King.
@@voraciousreader3341 I understand there was very little doubt who had killed them prior to his death. I'd point you in the direction of the historian David Starkey and his talks on the Wars of the Roses and the Tudor usurpation.....I mean succession of course.
Very true ! Nowadays, royalty sits collecting their millions until their turn to polish the throne with their rear end. Back then, you had to pick up your sword and kill anyone else who threatened your claim and reign ! They had to be brave and vicious to survive !!!!
I despise the turn coat Stanley's who brought the Tudors to the throne Richard wasn't fool enough to trust them.He knew their reputation.But he needed the men.He took Lord Strange,Stanley's eldest son as hostage for his father's good behaviour.Stanley's response shows what he was.He sent Diccon a message."I have other sons!"Nice to know your father loves you,isn't it?!And there is no evidence that the young Princes were killed Especially as things have come to light regarding what possibly happened to Edward.
@@voraciousreader3341 Shakespeare wrote for Henry's granddaughter,Red Liz.And it was H7 who killed kids.Clarence's son,imprisoned since the age of ten for being who he was,& young Perkin Warbeck who convinced the Scottish king of his birth,so that he gave him.his cousin in marriage.He would hardly have done that for an imposter no matter how much he wanted to annoy the Usurper.H8 murdered Clarence's daughter,an old lady,among the victims he destroyed.I loathe the whole Tudor breed.Yet he must've had some good qualities as Bess of York loved him & gave her life trying to give him another son.
A truly remakable breakthrough especially given the background. A lesson in family history in that stories get handed down through generations often have more than a grain of truth about them than imagined even if they are a bit exagerrated or confused.
THIS is such a fascinating presentation !!! I was in tears 😢! May He finally rest in peace ! Even an American from Tennessee USA ❤️ can appreciate the history and excitement of connecting to ancestors ! My family are the Greshams, descended from the close friend of William the Conqueror ! So, so exciting and heartwarming !!!
@@t.c.thompson2359 WOW, that's so awesome !!! Now, let's go reclaim our Castles and Land and Gold !!! So cool, thanks so much ❤️ for sharing that with me ! Are you still in England, or did your family come over to US also ?
Gayle, I am working on a family members history, from Tennessee, by the name of Grisham. Could there be a spelling change? Highly possible I would think. Would like to compare these family lines compared to yours. I have not worked on this family too long, only for about a month, but I go back to a Pryor S. Grisham b/1863 unk. Tennessee, d/ 1928 Nashville, Tn. had married Liddie Woodard, b/ 1862 Tenn. Pryor's father was James Grisham, possibly born in North Carolina.
@@williamboyd5990 Yes, evidently the original spelling in England was Gresham, but was later Grissom, Grisham, other changes like that ! Very interesting what you have discovered ☺️ !
...well!...what else is there to say?... CONGRATULATIONS! :) Let Richard rest, surrounded by the respect due not only to a King of England, but also to a brave man, that would rather die than retreat.
It’s hard to imagine it wouldn’t be painful. I have lumbar scoliosis which gradually worsens over time. It’s not remotely as severe as R3’s, but it can be excruciating. I think even worse is the work the rest of the body takes on to compensate. Medieval diet aside, small wonder he was “slender”. Ouch’s! 😳
Its typical of academics to omit those who although may not have the required piece of paper BUT do wonderful work. Phillipa should have been here, she kept at it and found him . She should be acknowledged at every presentation. Poor show uni of Leicester 😢
Let us never forget that it was an unassuming amateur historian with zero knowledge of archaeology that led the search and ultimately pinpointed the exact location of the grave of Richard III under a carpark. The name - Philippa Langley will go down in history.
I love everything about this story. You can tell that they're all so excited to share their discovery that they're straining to keep their voices under control. I wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they hopped in front of the cameras and hollered, "Ladies and gentlemen, WE FOUND THE KING!"
I heard only slight credit to Phillipa Langley, the lady from the Richard III Society who zeroed in on the parking lot in the first place. Nobody else cried when he was found and when it was proven to be him.
She wasn’t the first person to ”zero in” on the carpark. The location of the friary was never lost. The carpark just so happened to be the only part of the Friary precinct available for excavation, as the rest of the area was covered in residential housing. To be absolutely clear, it wasn’t any great achievement to figure out where the friary was. Deciding to look in the friary precinct rather than in some other part of the city or indeed downstream was the real decision. Seriously. These are experts with decades of experience. You guys are treating academia like it’s a reality TV show where Kim Kardashian is trying to steal credit. It’s pathetic.
@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaayet these experts with decades of experience had to be convinced by Philippa, then they took credit for the discovery. Very scummy shady.
Where was the real person who found Richard iii? She’s NOT on this panel??? Sidelined much!!! She’s put back in the audience which is ridiculous when they claim to have included her in everything !! Hypocrites
God Bless King Richard III, a good christian and loyal king to his subjects and to England. He was not a tyrant, not a murderer. Let's leave that truth to those who held no stops at ensuring the Plantagenet line was voided out ending with Richard. Truth and justice will be served and Richard will be at peace at last. Thank you to those who worked diligently to find his remains and prepare him for the proper burial he deserves.
The Tudors were not saints, but that doesn't exonerate Richard III. Like almost all Monarchs, his reputation in his own time was mixed. After all, if he was so good, why was opposition to him so relatively popular?
The overall verdict. Richard the 3rds feet will never be found. This was done at the time of burial." We don't want this thing comming back and walking around again in any lifetime" PETER HAKE of mole hair derry; the guy with the shovel.
I've only begun to read the history of England, Ireland & Scotland. Time Team, English Heritage & channels of history. This really touched my heart. The dedication so deeply in the heart's if everyone involved. Amazing & awesome.
You should read about the history of britain which is england scotland and don't forget Wales. Irish history really shouldn't be put in with the other too. Very different countries.
Millions of lrish have moved to britain over the years and vice versa...British army and navy was a 3rd irish at the height of empire,etc,etc..that kind of intertwined.
55 years ago, my freshman year in college, I was assigned a speech to persuade. Believing on the value of building on what I already knew, and having joyously presented a book report the previous year on Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time, I chose to use her as supporting documentation to persuade my audience that Richard III was a falsely accused innocent. My instructor chose to point to my level of enthusiasm for an English king who had been dead for 475 years, as a salient element of persuasion. What she didn't know was that I genuinely believed in the truth of my argument! Another good read on Richard is Rosemary Hawley Jarman's We Speak No Treason.
I'm from Singapore and, from your discovery of these King Richard III remains in 2012, I've followed and found your research work brilliant, awesome & most outstanding. Thanks & Congratulations!!
@@susanmccormick6022 in fairness, Singapore was colonised by England in 1824. Speaking a language due to 200 years since colonisation isn’t really the compliment you might think it is.
When the professor spoke on the written documentation, I found that very interesting. She mentions how our interpretation may need to be more literal, rather than circumspect. In this case, it supported everything very well, but how academia views historical accounts may need to be examined more closely. I agree! 😊
FANTASTIC! Wonderful to Find King Richard III whom I have read much about and concluded from much Historical Written Evidence he was not the monster portrayed by the Tudors nor Shakespeare, and as others more qualified who have researched in-depth, neither was he a murderer.
Thank you Philippa Langley for yr persistence. Trying to rehabilitate Richard III's reputation will be a lot more difficult after 500 years and probably less physical evidence although documentary evidence from the time may assist.
I have to say I am from Leicester, Leicester born and bred, but nevertheless still believe that Richard should be interred in York. I know this position will not be very popular with people in Leicester, but feel that that would have been the man's wishes and this should be respected. We cannot treat him like an object, something we have 'found', but as a human being and that deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, irrespective of how long ago he died.
Tradition is for burial at the nearest Cathedral. I doubt he would wish to be buried at Westminster alongside Henry VII and the rest of the Tudor dynasty. Besides, Richard was born in Northamptonshire, spent significant time in Nottingham and Leicester where he had great support and never made clear where he wanted burial. His father and brother are buried in Northampton. I also laugh at the notion you think it'd be less of a tourist attraction in York, public interest is good for his legacy.
This makes me wonder what other figures of historical significance may lay buried under the physical foundations for which our daily lives in modern history exist upon.
King Alfred is buried next to the car park at Battle Abbey. Scene of Battle of Hastings 1066. Feels weird walking on the field behind the abbey where the battle took place though. I'd love to go on there with a metal detector. lol.
The Tudors were right about his deformity; if the Queen would allow DNA testing of the skeletons of those two 10 and 12 year old boys in the urn in Westminster Abbey, we'd confirm that the rest was true as well. It wouldn't matter to you folks, though: you'd ignore those facts, too.
@@philipwebb960 I agree that the bastard took out his nephews for the throne its despicable to this day, I don't care what century, class or country you were born in. Not Betrayed and Murdered, but a Betrayer and a Murderer, I would say his fate righteous.
I live in the United States. My ancesters came to America in 1636 from York, England. I have always been fascinated by English history especially the kings and queens. After seeing the real face of King Richard III modeled from his skull I had a reaction I didn't think I would have. I now have a really bad crush on King Richard III. I think he is good looking and I love his eyes. He has a kinder, nicer looking face than portrayed in old paintings of him. I was born 500+ years too late.
If you really want to have a crush on Richard, take a look at Aneurin Bernard’s depiction of him in the dramatisation of Philippa Gregory’s ‘The White Queen’. Phwoaaaar!
@@ZOSOqueen The White Queen is a load of bull crap. The actor playing Richard is very handsome,that’s true,but that’s a tiny compensation. Battle of Bosworth …..in the snow 😂😂😂😂
Credit-stealing parasites who ridiculed Philippa from the very beginning and who, until the very last minute, refused to fund it and then made only a token gesture. Philippa fought hard for this dig to go ahead and crowdfunded the dig herself and then got sidelined by these glory hunters as they took all the credit. Shocking behaviour
Height has varied throughout history. Hunter gatherers were often tall, then the soft neolithic diet made us smaller (with worse teeth), people got tall again in the bronze age, then gradually dwindled until they averaged about 5ft 6 (male) for most of the medieval period.More crowding, poorer food helped cause this.We only regained our bronze age heights in the early 20thC.
It has to do with simple fact, medieval Europeans diet largely consisted of grains and carbohydrates. They really did not have tooth decay because tgough they ain't nothing but carbohydrates, they did not eat refined flour or sugar. You see this when they face the Mongolian ,a group of people that has a high protein diet ,versus a people that live on grain. The Mongolian toy with them their stamina their abilities and strengths most importantly stamina. Does anybody still argue the validity of a low carbohydrate diet? If you still do I'm sorry
Nobody is going to mention the modern disturbance? I guess I will: an OUTHOUSE almost destroyed the burial. Not only is that a disturbing thought but it also brings to mind the very real possibility that for years people were defecating right beside or perhaps right on top of the dead king.
they did mention her specifically at 37.04. I've watched many films about this discovery in 2012 and they all feature her and her level of interest and contribution. the idea that she got no exposure or mention at this find is ridiculous
You are totally correct (karagonzalez) Philippa Langley had the FIRST and ONLY vision to try and find King Richard III. She should be sitting right in the middle of that table, and she should have been the one to announce that there is 100% positive proof, that the body was that of King Richard III. By the way, at (37:04) she is sitting next to Michael Ibsen, who is the 17th generation Nephew of the king. How fitting, Philippa Langley was the discoverer of his illustrious king ancestor. Doctor George Whitehead
By that time in the conference no one is listening. The big announcement has been made. Gees, they acknowledged staff of other university labs before the 15 minute mark. Philippa Langley raised the money, the interest, did the legwork - and was then disrespected by Leicester.
The best part was the lovely and proper state funeral he was eventually given. And again, it showed up the Tudors. A facial reconstruction showed him to be in no way unattractive.
When I was doing DNA TEST with 23&me they found my mother is J1c2 and they said this haplogroup helped to recognized King Richard III remains, as his mother DNA was J1c2c. Very interesting, and I am Serbian from Eastern Herzegovina with I2a2 of my father.
Do you know any reason why you might have J1c2 that links you to England or France (Plantagenet blood) or was this haplogroup traced back to earlier in History (Cro-magnon, Neanderthal, Antiquity)?
Now that we have his skeleton, see him in the flesh in the cinema event "Richard III" made in 1912. For Information regarding this film, contact his widow or Henry VI In "Show of Shows" or the princes in the tower at The Towers Apts.
Call me crazy… but seeing Mr. Ibsen’s profile(sitting in the front row) I cant help but still see a slight resemblance….especially in their similar facial structures and profiles/nose….
I think the University wanted to minimize Langley's involvement as much as possible and to this day clearly denies they ever did so. It's true she'd odd and I think her obsession with Richard III is rather...eccentric, but I don't think the effort she, Ashdown-Hill and the rest of the Richard III Society did in both instigating, paying for and even doing the leg work in identify Anne of York's living decedents has been fully given its due acknowledgement by the academics and scientists who worked on the find. Langley has said some strange things over the years and I understand the more inflammatory and/or spiritual things she'd said probably rub academics the wrong way, but two things can be true at once. She can be problematic and still have been sidelined and not given credit where credit was due.
Moral is, one must always pay attention to oral history, after all, it may be written 300 years ago, and there be conflicting narratives, but each narrative must be be explored to it's conclusion.
Yes I accept your point that there has been a church on that site for 800 years old but that old church was almost totally demolished and then rebuilt in Victorian times. It was a Parish Church until very recently. Do the right thing. Bury the man in York.
Thankfully anyone interested in this story realises that any accolade for the discovery of the King belongs to Philippa Langley, not the mediocre academics from a mediocre polytechnic desperately scrabbling for relevance.
Very late to this video announcement. Well done to all. It would’ve been interesting for a forensic facial reconstruction to have been done, further clarifying contemporary descriptions and artistic renditions of Richard III. If that has been done, I’m not aware of it. Cheers.
By tradition, as a royal personage, it seems Richard should be buried in Westminster Abbey. Failing that, why not bury him where he was from? I agree with hereward1975 that Richard would probably hate being interred in a place where he lost the battle and his body dishonored. Since he was from York, why not bury him in his home place? This shouldn't be about politics or competition between British cities; it should be about what could reasonably be assumed that Richard would want.
Thank you Phillipa.... without you, none of this would have been possible.
Please remember, it was amateur historian Philippa Langley, who's seven year research for the lost remains of Richard III. She was the driving force behind an excavation carried out in a car park in Leicester in 2012 which, incredibly, uncovered the bones of the last Plantagenet king. However, the actual digging was planned and carried out by archaeologists from the University of Leicester .
In 2022, a movie was made about this discovery and true enough Philipa langley was the actual driving force who made this discovery possible. Though, initially when Ms Langley approached University of Leicester for collaberation, they said she was crazy.... LOL
Thank you for reminding the readers of this BASIC REALIY! This is a fascinating video but also confirms without a doubt the arrogance of these ‘experts’ by their allocating all the credit of discovering RIII’s body to themselves! NASTY.
The digging was indeed carried out by the archaeologists but let us never forget that it was Philippa Langley who pinpointed the exact location of the grave and church as being in the northern end of the Social Services car park. The name - Philippa Langley should and will go down in our history books.
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Yes I don’t recall hearing them acknowledge Philippa Langley in this video. But I may have missed it.
Everyone connected with this project should be justifiably proud, but especial credit should be offered to Phillipa Langley, whose dogged determination to find Richard III eventually led to this phenomenal discovery.
She was paid tribute by the last speaker at about 37:00.
As Philippa Langley said "The only press conference that mattered was the one on 4 February 2013 to confirm that the remains were those of Richard III. The University wrongly presented themselves as leading the search that I had commissioned and paid for." Wiki.
That's not what was said in the above press Conference. Not one of them claimed to have done anything until the skeleton was found and they could go to work on it. PL is explicitly referred to at the end as "having compelled our attention". This is a tribute to those years of work that she put in and, imo, an acknowledgement of their sluggishness in paying attention to her evidence. Nevertheless, finding a skeleton is a long way from proving its identity. She could not possibly have done that work. All of the subsequent investigations were undertaken and paid for by the U of L. I think she should stop whining and grandstanding and bask in the science that proved her argument. They are nothing without each other.
Thank you Phillipa Langley without you this would never have happened and the people are not fooled.
Aren’t they? Because in this video on cam see the university recognise her as the one that got things started, which the movie would have us believe they didn’t do. As in “The Lost King” there is a theme of dogging into the story in order to sift out fact from fiction 😉
As she said "The only press conference that mattered was the one on 4 February 2013 to confirm that the remains were those of Richard III. That conference was the one attended by the world's media. I was not invited by the University to sit on the panel that faced the journalists and the University wrongly presented themselves as leading the search that I had commissioned and paid for. It is true the University invited me to address the conference but as the 13th of 13 speakers, long after the live TV news feed had ended."
Shame on the Uni. for the slightest of acknowledgment to Phillipa Langley, at the end. She did all the research, raised the funding, and told you where to dig. You took the glory.
I suspect that there was just something a little too 'woo-woo' about the discovery. Just where she thought it would, found on the first try.
She was paid tribute by the last speaker at about 37:00.
Everything you said is wrong. Not everything you see in movies is true, even remotely in some cases.
Kinda like when the University of Kentucky makes an archaeological discovery and Harvard University steps in and steals the credit. Certainly political in nature so that the bigger university gets all the government grants
How boring! Always the same accusations …
Thank you Philippa Langley for your fantastic work and research that led to this discovery. The credit for the discovery belongs to you.
Disgusted with the University of Leicester. They’ve withdrawn recognition of Phillipa Langley and remove all trace of the original King in the Carpark video, because it makes them look arrogant and dismissive of her.
You mean the King in The Car Park documentary that is still available on Channel 4's site? (it was their documentary. Not sure how a university is supposed ot influence a commercially made documentary, or why her name appears so frequently on the university's own site if they withdrew recognition?)
None of you people would now be talking about this fantastic find if it wasn't for one woman. Phillippa Langley.
I’m so glad there is now a wonderful movie which gives Philippa Langley the attention and credit she deserves and not just the brief mention at the end of the pontificating academics press conference.
It’s a very good movie! Saw it the day it was released here in the US.
Very well said!
A largely fictional movie written by a comedian.
@@englishjim6428Some was “fictionalized” for sure but not “largely.”
@@emb74 True. There is a city called Leicester. There is a person called Philippa Langley. The skeletal remains of Richard iii were unearthed in a car park. Everything else depicted in the movie, might generously be described as ‘open to debate’.
Congratulations to Phillippa Langley, who should have been front and centre up front rather than consigned to a seat down below. The grandstanding/praise seeking by the University is unfortunate and diminishes their big (albeit belated) contribution to the whole project (speaking as a newbie to the whole affair who saw the 2022 movie The Lost King yesterday).
Credit should go to Philippa Langley.
She is the one who found King Richard.
Very true, but the science of telling his story was done by researchers and scientists. By no means scientists take away the fact of previous research, amateur or not.
The reason Philippa Langley wasn't mentioned as much as she should have been is because if someone who is viewed as a non-academic by the University can do 7 years of research and correctly identify the location, it essentially suggests that academics aren't as highly valuable as is generally believed.
I.e if a member of the public can make these groundbreaking discoveries but an established university can't, it reflects VERY badly on the university.
Thanks Phillippa Langley for your marvellous work!❤
As a longtime supporter of Richard III (beginning when I read Josephine Tey's 'The Daughter of Time' in high school) I am delighted that his remains have finally been put to rest in the manner in which they deserve, and I applaud all those who contributed to the recovery and identification of his body. 'Loyalte me lie-Loyalty binds Me'. Requiescat En Pacem Ricardus III.
Her book triggered a life long interest in RichardIII in me.
I recommend watching the film, The Lost King. If the film is true, the way the people on this panel treated and sidelined Phillipa Langley was a disgrace.
Please watch the film ‘The Lost King’ it shows the people shown in this clip as ‘Glory takers’ not giving the real credit for finding the remains on Richard 111 to the woman responsible. Philippa Langley. Credit where credit is due.
Exactly. Without her passion, fundraising, advocacy etc. these academics wouldn’t have had a GF Dig to talk about in the first place, never mind RIII’s remains & their journey to share in a a press conference.
AT 3:55 would have been an appropriate time to explain how and why the excavation happened, that it was spearheaded by Phillipa Langley. But R. Buckley skipped right over that step in the explanation. Shows how badly academics treat non-academics.
Can you imagine finding out that you have been parking your car over the body of a king for all these years, Crazy world we live in!
no, but I sure can imagine wearing shoes made by child labor... mmm delicious world we live in.
@Tim Webb Actually if you listen to Turi King's lecture on this project, he was found one parking space over from the "R". Not under the "R" but close enough!
@Computer User no "natives" there, life did not spring forth from the earth in that location; the people there migrated from other places too.
@Computer User - Respectfully, the Natives were NOT the '1st' people in North America....and it IS the Lord GOD 'WHO DECIDES' who takes over what land on this earth, and who doesn't....Amen
@@TRUE_PROPHET_of_CHRIST What makes you think that 'natives' aren't native?
Where is the honorary doctorate for Philippa Langley from the University of Leicester? Without her knowledge and expertise, the University would have much less material to promote itself.
Phillipa Langley received an MBE from Queen Elizabeth II for her work... I'd say that was better than any doctorate bestowed by the UofL
Phillipa Langley drove the project, The Richard the 3rd society funded most of the dig. There is some question of who the archeologists were actually working for. It's rather uncomfortable listening to the University co-opt information from Phillipa's proposal for their presentations. I m having an issue believing that anyone associated with the University of Leicester has any ethics.
This is one of the most amazing discoveries. It aligns history, myth and science to finally confirm much of the story as told by the official history. The very existence of the skeleton in such good condition and still in situ despite the centuries of upheaval and building is nothing short of astounding.
What’s even more astounding, if it’s possible to be, is the fact that the only way of proving the skeleton _was_ Richard was taking DNA from 2 people, both of whom are the last of their lines!
@@voraciousreader3341 and we had to wait 600 years for DNA to be discovered and analytical tools to compare samples. All amazing.
It was Philippa Langleys work, research and determination to locate the grave and she came up with the funding .The University had not much to do with it.
Who else is here after seeing the movie "The Lost King"?
I was interested in this at the time, but now have a different perspective of course.
I was struck by the similarity between this and the Sutton Hoo dig. Shame on the usurpers who try to claim what is not their work. Looking at you, University of Leicester.
"Truth is the daughter of time." Yet another perfect Bacon line. Props to all of the archaeologists and Langley who just had a 'feeling'.
I SO wanted to be an archeologist when I was young. Sadly, it was not to be. Congratulations to the whole team for such a wonderful discovery!
Make archeology your hobby, become semi professional, and get a degree later on! If this is in your heart, give it a go!
Me as well! Thank goodness we live in this age when we can watch lectures on line!
Sad.What went wrong?I love everything to do with archaeology.The cold(!)heat(!)broken nails(!)mud baths...No,I love it.Its an awesome experience & new every time.Its funny how many times you are asked if you've found any Dino's yet.My boss used to draw a deeeep breath & say "That's paleontology,this is archaeology!"
The car park in Leicester was next door to my old school (Alderman Newtons Boys School) but of course we never knew he was there. It was generally thought that his body was slung in the river just down the road.
My brother went to that school.
People thought they just tossed the kings body in the river?
@@JSweez87 There was a legend that said they did just that when Henry VIII dissolved the monasteries. Now we know, obviously not true.
@@peteg475 Pity H8 wasn't disolved!
wow! just wow! my love for history, genetics, archaeology and sciences just came back from it's hiatus! this is late but still, CONGRATULATIONS!
Still horrified how this university leaves out the importance of Philippa Langley. They were paid for this dig by money that Philippa raised!
This fasinated me since 2 years and what a wonderful expedition into a vanished world. Absolut astonishing. And what a joy for those who were engaged in this project!
Watching this once again after so many years, I'm jumping up and down with excitement just as I did when this press conference first happened! Well done to everyone involved!
There’s just something about the whole thing that is so awe-inducing & mind boggling in the best way possible that even after months or years it’s still so hard to fathom how on earth this came to be, how it all happened at just the right time. Everything that had to come together in just the right way at just the right time to not just find him but prove beyond doubt that it’s him… wow, just wow.
It's obvious watching this after seeing the new film - The Lost King - that Leicester University did exactly what the film shows - froze out Phillipa Langley, the real finder of Richard III. Let's see if Richard Taylor, seen taking the credit here, really does sue the producers for defamation. He won't dare.
They showed her sitting in the front row, and _named her,_ giving her credit for convincing the university to go ahead with the project, so how did they freeze her out??
@@voraciousreader3341 Because she is the one who actually found the king ! The exact spot for god's sake, after 7 years of personal research and recognized by the queen herself with MBE. Yet here she was not seated among them but down with reporters, only thanked in the last minute along thanking Leicester council ! You could hardly see her face in the split second she was shown on camera. So if this is not sidelining then I don't know what is. I am so glad they made the Lost King movie , which was amazing by the way, and serve her some justice.
Great work
Philippa Langley
The very first thing that should have come out of Richard Taylor's mouth was "none of this would have been possible without the tireless efforts and research of Philippa Langley." But y'all decided to take the credit and barely acknowledge her existence.
Exactly!! Under the guise of “hunting for the church” only did they find King Richard’s grave. This confused me at first, however I now know how corrupt academia is all over the world.
I follow the hunt for the Princes by Philippia.
Watch The Lost King for the full story. Philippa Langley should have been given a higher distinction.
Congratulations to all involved with this fantastic discovery of King Richard lll And thankyou to the University of Leicester for this Video for us all to see.
Also to Phillips Langley the amateur historian who doggedly focused on finding his resting place.
I see no mention of Phillips Langley at all. An amateur historian who did all the hard work to locate the burial place. The Uni of Leicester planned and executed the dig
She also financed the dig with contributions from all over the world…..
How weird and unethical not to really appreciate Philippa Langley next to the other researchers.
They did acknowledge her near the end, but they might have been better to do so at the beginning.
This is quite normal for envious "Academics" but we all know the truth. None of this would have happened without PL.......
Not really, if she'd have been a man, no problem
random people may make the discoveries, but universities always take the credit, doesn't matter if it's dinosaur bones, cave art, or in this case King Richard the 3rd, it always happens.
As someone who is not from York, and has now selfish reasons for him to be buried there, I also think he should be buried in York.
What I hate more than anything is that this is being argued about over financial reasons though. This was a person, and a former King of England. I understand that traditionally this would mean near where he was found. But if it is genuinely believed he wanted York, then so be it.
I would want my wishes to be given similar respect, even if it was 500 years later.
Very under rated King. Lost his life in Battle...take great bravery to fight in combat...even if you lose its more than most do in a lifetime.
Not underrated….infamous!! The way Henry VII made it his business to suppress as much as he could about Richard’s true character, even directing William Shakespeare’s smear of Richard in a play, truly speaks to his clear knowledge that his claim on the throne was tenuous, at best, and that his conscience was bothered. And he was not a happy man, even before he lost his eldest son and heir and his loving wife, who died trying to give him another son. People never knew who to believe or who was right about Richard’s true character. At any rate, Richard III’s reputation will always be tarnished, too, unless historians find out who killed the young Princes in the Tower, the eldest of whom was the true King.
@@voraciousreader3341 I understand there was very little doubt who had killed them prior to his death.
I'd point you in the direction of the historian David Starkey and his talks on the Wars of the Roses and the Tudor usurpation.....I mean succession of course.
Very true ! Nowadays, royalty sits collecting their millions until their turn to polish the throne with their rear end. Back then, you had to pick up your sword and kill anyone else who threatened your claim and reign ! They had to be brave and vicious to survive !!!!
I despise the turn coat Stanley's who brought the Tudors to the throne Richard wasn't fool enough to trust them.He knew their reputation.But he needed the men.He took Lord Strange,Stanley's eldest son as hostage for his father's good behaviour.Stanley's response shows what he was.He sent Diccon a message."I have other sons!"Nice to know your father loves you,isn't it?!And there is no evidence that the young Princes were killed Especially as things have come to light regarding what possibly happened to Edward.
@@voraciousreader3341 Shakespeare wrote for Henry's granddaughter,Red Liz.And it was H7 who killed kids.Clarence's son,imprisoned since the age of ten for being who he was,& young Perkin Warbeck who convinced the Scottish king of his birth,so that he gave him.his cousin in marriage.He would hardly have done that for an imposter no matter how much he wanted to annoy the Usurper.H8 murdered Clarence's daughter,an old lady,among the victims he destroyed.I loathe the whole Tudor breed.Yet he must've had some good qualities as Bess of York loved him & gave her life trying to give him another son.
A truly remakable breakthrough especially given the background. A lesson in family history in that stories get handed down through generations often have more than a grain of truth about them than imagined even if they are a bit exagerrated or confused.
Well done Philippa!
THIS is such a fascinating presentation !!! I was in tears 😢! May He finally rest in peace ! Even an American from Tennessee USA ❤️ can appreciate the history and excitement of connecting to ancestors ! My family are the Greshams, descended from the close friend of William the Conqueror ! So, so exciting and heartwarming !!!
I'm descended from William himself, so our ancestors were friends.
@@t.c.thompson2359 WOW, that's so awesome !!! Now, let's go reclaim our Castles and Land and Gold !!! So cool, thanks so much ❤️ for sharing that with me ! Are you still in England, or did your family come over to US also ?
@@t.c.thompson2359 Being descended from somebody 8 generations ago means you share about 0.0039% of their DNA
Gayle, I am working on a family members history, from Tennessee, by the name of Grisham. Could there be a spelling change? Highly possible I would think. Would like to compare these family lines compared to yours. I have not worked on this family too long, only for about a month, but I go back to a Pryor S. Grisham b/1863 unk. Tennessee, d/ 1928 Nashville, Tn. had married Liddie Woodard, b/ 1862 Tenn. Pryor's father was James Grisham, possibly born in North Carolina.
@@williamboyd5990 Yes, evidently the original spelling in England was Gresham, but was later Grissom, Grisham, other changes like that ! Very interesting what you have discovered ☺️ !
...well!...what else is there to say?...
CONGRATULATIONS! :)
Let Richard rest, surrounded by the respect due not only to a King of England, but also to a brave man, that would rather die than retreat.
Great !!!! Now is the Winter of our Discontent made Glorious Summer by this Son of York !!!
Its sun of York not son of York.
@@ingriddubbel8468 Yes, as depicted on
Richard's Standard.
@@ingriddubbel8468 Indeed, in the original is suun
Richard wasn’t very content to see all the praise for his brother
Fantastic presentation. Well done to all.
It’s hard to imagine it wouldn’t be painful. I have lumbar scoliosis which gradually worsens over time. It’s not remotely as severe as R3’s, but it can be excruciating. I think even worse is the work the rest of the body takes on to compensate. Medieval diet aside, small wonder he was “slender”. Ouch’s! 😳
Michael ibsen's and Wendy Duldig's mitochondrial dna, j1c2c3, is so rare; it's truly surprising they found them to corroborate Richard III's remains.
Outrageous that Phillippa wasn't at the table.
Its typical of academics to omit those who although may not have the required piece of paper BUT do wonderful work. Phillipa should have been here, she kept at it and found him . She should be acknowledged at every presentation. Poor show uni of Leicester 😢
None of this would have been possible without the tireless efforts of Mrs. Philippa Langley. Thank you for what you have done to make this a reality.
Let us never forget that it was an unassuming amateur historian with zero knowledge of archaeology that led the search and ultimately pinpointed the exact location of the grave of Richard III under a carpark. The name - Philippa Langley will go down in history.
I love everything about this story. You can tell that they're all so excited to share their discovery that they're straining to keep their voices under control. I wouldn't blame them in the slightest if they hopped in front of the cameras and hollered, "Ladies and gentlemen, WE FOUND THE KING!"
Oh that I would love to have seen!!
I heard only slight credit to Phillipa Langley, the lady from the Richard III Society who zeroed in on the parking lot in the first place.
Nobody else cried when he was found and when it was proven to be him.
While I agree with your statement, in all fairness, she WAS the only person there who had an emotional connection to finding Richard.
She wasn’t the first person to ”zero in” on the carpark. The location of the friary was never lost. The carpark just so happened to be the only part of the Friary precinct available for excavation, as the rest of the area was covered in residential housing.
To be absolutely clear, it wasn’t any great achievement to figure out where the friary was. Deciding to look in the friary precinct rather than in some other part of the city or indeed downstream was the real decision.
Seriously. These are experts with decades of experience. You guys are treating academia like it’s a reality TV show where Kim Kardashian is trying to steal credit. It’s pathetic.
@@Erikaaaaaaaaaaaaayet these experts with decades of experience had to be convinced by Philippa, then they took credit for the discovery. Very scummy shady.
Where was the real person who found Richard iii? She’s NOT on this panel??? Sidelined much!!! She’s put back in the audience which is ridiculous when they claim to have included her in everything !! Hypocrites
I laughed at the Bacon quote: "Truth is Daugther of Time". Sure the Richard III fans appreciated that.
Greetings, congratulations and thank you to ALL who played any part in this extraordinary journey AND arrival.
Fantastic work! I have so enjoyed watching this again.
God Bless King Richard III, a good christian and loyal king to his subjects and to England. He was not a tyrant, not a murderer. Let's leave that truth to those who held no stops at ensuring the Plantagenet line was voided out ending with Richard. Truth and justice will be served and Richard will be at peace at last. Thank you to those who worked diligently to find his remains and prepare him for the proper burial he deserves.
Um, princes in the tower?
The Tudors were not saints, but that doesn't exonerate Richard III. Like almost all Monarchs, his reputation in his own time was mixed. After all, if he was so good, why was opposition to him so relatively popular?
The overall verdict. Richard the 3rds feet will never be found. This was done at the time of burial." We don't want this thing comming back and walking around again in any lifetime"
PETER HAKE of mole hair derry; the guy with the shovel.
Well done, University of Leicester, well done.
Fascinating. Thankyou.
So lets run the DNA against the ancestry.com data base, and lets see who's related?
What a wonderful discovery and recovery effort, as well as avery lovely presentation!
I've only begun to read the history of England, Ireland & Scotland. Time Team, English Heritage & channels of history. This really touched my heart. The dedication so deeply in the heart's if everyone involved. Amazing & awesome.
I always love the early plantagenet Dynasty the real game of Thrones who needs the fake one
You should read about the history of britain which is england scotland and don't forget Wales. Irish history really shouldn't be put in with the other too. Very different countries.
Britain and ireland have been intertwined for a thousand years
@@davehoward22 intertwined is a new word for it, a bit like russia is intertwined with the Ukraine at the minute.
Millions of lrish have moved to britain over the years and vice versa...British army and navy was a 3rd irish at the height of empire,etc,etc..that kind of intertwined.
Thank you Phillipa Langley xx it would be nice if someone had deemed to mention the one person who made this possible!
55 years ago, my freshman year in college, I was assigned a speech to persuade. Believing on the value of building on what I already knew, and having joyously presented a book report the previous year on Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time, I chose to use her as supporting documentation to persuade my audience that Richard III was a falsely accused innocent. My instructor chose to point to my level of enthusiasm for an English king who had been dead for 475 years, as a salient element of persuasion. What she didn't know was that I genuinely believed in the truth of my argument!
Another good read on Richard is Rosemary Hawley Jarman's We Speak No Treason.
Nothing like a historical fiction to whet the appetite for fact.
Both great reads.
I'm from Singapore and, from your discovery of these King Richard III remains in 2012, I've followed and found your research work brilliant, awesome & most outstanding. Thanks & Congratulations!!
Your English puts many a born Britisher to shame.Congrats.
@@susanmccormick6022 in fairness, Singapore was colonised by England in 1824. Speaking a language due to 200 years since colonisation isn’t really the compliment you might think it is.
Phillipa Langley why are you not mentioning her? She was the face i remember
It was phillipa Langley found him not Leicester University,so why are the University taking the credit 🤔
When the professor spoke on the written documentation, I found that very interesting. She mentions how our interpretation may need to be more literal, rather than circumspect. In this case, it supported everything very well, but how academia views historical accounts may need to be examined more closely. I agree! 😊
FANTASTIC! Wonderful to Find King Richard III whom I have read much about and concluded
from much Historical Written Evidence he was not the monster portrayed by the Tudors nor Shakespeare, and as others more qualified who have researched in-depth, neither was he a murderer.
Thank you Philippa Langley for yr persistence.
Trying to rehabilitate Richard III's reputation will be a lot more difficult after 500 years and probably less physical evidence although documentary evidence from the time may assist.
I have to say I am from Leicester, Leicester born and bred, but nevertheless still believe that Richard should be interred in York. I know this position will not be very popular with people in Leicester, but feel that that would have been the man's wishes and this should be respected. We cannot treat him like an object, something we have 'found', but as a human being and that deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, irrespective of how long ago he died.
Tradition is for burial at the nearest Cathedral. I doubt he would wish to be buried at Westminster alongside Henry VII and the rest of the Tudor dynasty. Besides, Richard was born in Northamptonshire, spent significant time in Nottingham and Leicester where he had great support and never made clear where he wanted burial. His father and brother are buried in Northampton. I also laugh at the notion you think it'd be less of a tourist attraction in York, public interest is good for his legacy.
His beloved wife is buried at Westminster...I believe he would very much want to be buried alongside her. They were a love match, after all.
This makes me wonder what other figures of historical significance may lay buried under the physical foundations for which our daily lives in modern history exist upon.
Charles Peter Watson mm
King Alfred is buried next to the car park at Battle Abbey. Scene of Battle of Hastings 1066. Feels weird walking on the field behind the abbey where the battle took place though. I'd love to go on there with a metal detector. lol.
Like Jimmy Hoffa under a football stadium?
Charles Peter Watson
It seems to me you try very hard to sound dignified, while in fact your English sentence makes no sense whatsoever.
@@Brinta3 Do you want a more Cliff Notes-level translation?
Betrayed and murdered you mean.
A lion brought down by wolves,...the usurpers House of the Tudors.
Brilliant!! Here, here to that friend!
With you on that!
Actually his animal was the White Boar, but II get what you mean. The Tudors tried to destroy him but he was found and the truth finally known
The Tudors were right about his deformity; if the Queen would allow DNA testing of the skeletons of those two 10 and 12 year old boys in the urn in Westminster Abbey, we'd confirm that the rest was true as well. It wouldn't matter to you folks, though: you'd ignore those facts, too.
@@philipwebb960 I agree that the bastard took out his nephews for the throne its despicable to this day, I don't care what century, class or country you were born in. Not Betrayed and Murdered, but a Betrayer and a Murderer, I would say his fate righteous.
I live in the United States. My ancesters came to America in 1636 from York, England. I have always been fascinated by English history especially the kings and queens. After seeing the real face of King Richard III modeled from his skull I had a reaction I didn't think I would have. I now have a really bad crush on King Richard III. I think he is good looking and I love his eyes. He has a kinder, nicer looking face than portrayed in old paintings of him. I was born 500+ years too late.
@Mary C Thanks for posting this link - it's an excellent listen.
If you really want to have a crush on Richard, take a look at Aneurin Bernard’s depiction of him in the dramatisation of Philippa Gregory’s ‘The White Queen’. Phwoaaaar!
Thank God you were too late. Victors were reknown rapists during that time. Literal rape & plunder.
@@ZOSOqueen The White Queen is a load of bull crap.
The actor playing Richard is very handsome,that’s true,but that’s a tiny compensation.
Battle of Bosworth …..in the snow 😂😂😂😂
Thank you for burying my ancient relative with dignity befitting a King. Respect
Credit-stealing parasites who ridiculed Philippa from the very beginning and who, until the very last minute, refused to fund it and then made only a token gesture. Philippa fought hard for this dig to go ahead and crowdfunded the dig herself and then got sidelined by these glory hunters as they took all the credit. Shocking behaviour
I guess it would have hurt their egos to give any credit to Phillipa Langley.
The real tragedy is that the death of Richard III ushered in the Tudors who were murderous and oppressive villains.
I'm staying out of the reburial debate...but the church in Leicester is 800 years old, not Victorian, and is in fact over a Roman temple.
We'll done Ms. Langley. You and you alone deserve the lions share of the credit.
Stunning work Leicester U. Thank you so much. from South Africa.
Shame on the University of Leicester and the speaker (don't remember the name) in the video. Bravo Philippa Langley!
Height has varied throughout history. Hunter gatherers were often tall, then the soft neolithic diet made us smaller (with worse teeth), people got tall again in the bronze age, then gradually dwindled until they averaged about 5ft 6 (male) for most of the medieval period.More crowding, poorer food helped cause this.We only regained our bronze age heights in the early 20thC.
It has to do with simple fact, medieval Europeans diet largely consisted of grains and carbohydrates. They really did not have tooth decay because tgough they ain't nothing but carbohydrates, they did not eat refined flour or sugar. You see this when they face the Mongolian ,a group of people that has a high protein diet ,versus a people that live on grain. The Mongolian toy with them their stamina their abilities and strengths most importantly stamina. Does anybody still argue the validity of a low carbohydrate diet? If you still do I'm sorry
Nobody is going to mention the modern disturbance? I guess I will: an OUTHOUSE almost destroyed the burial. Not only is that a disturbing thought but it also brings to mind the very real possibility that for years people were defecating right beside or perhaps right on top of the dead king.
Check out the family resemblance between King Richard II and Michael, in the front row there !!! Amazing.
This illustrates what a historic crime the dissolution of the monasteries was. Those responsible will have paid a heavy price in the next world
they did mention her specifically at 37.04. I've watched many films about this discovery in 2012 and they all feature her and her level of interest and contribution. the idea that she got no exposure or mention at this find is ridiculous
You are totally correct (karagonzalez) Philippa Langley had the FIRST and ONLY vision to try and find King Richard III. She should be sitting right in the middle of that table, and she should have been the one to announce that there is 100% positive proof, that the body was that of King Richard III. By the way, at (37:04) she is sitting next to Michael Ibsen, who is the 17th generation Nephew of the king. How fitting, Philippa Langley was the discoverer of his illustrious king ancestor. Doctor George Whitehead
By that time in the conference no one is listening. The big announcement has been made. Gees, they acknowledged staff of other university labs before the 15 minute mark. Philippa Langley raised the money, the interest, did the legwork - and was then disrespected by Leicester.
The best part was the lovely and proper state funeral he was eventually given.
And again, it showed up the Tudors. A facial reconstruction showed him to be in no way unattractive.
Kaarli makela it was their way of propaganda. Portraits were made to make the people look mean.
When I was doing DNA TEST with 23&me they found my mother is J1c2 and they said this haplogroup helped to recognized King Richard III remains, as his mother DNA was J1c2c. Very interesting, and I am Serbian from Eastern Herzegovina with I2a2 of my father.
'cathar'
Do you know any reason why you might have J1c2 that links you to England or France (Plantagenet blood) or was this haplogroup traced back to earlier in History (Cro-magnon, Neanderthal, Antiquity)?
Now that we have his skeleton, see him in the flesh in the cinema event "Richard III" made in 1912. For
Information regarding this film, contact his widow or Henry VI In "Show of Shows" or the princes in
the tower at The Towers Apts.
I heard this story in class in canada and congrats Britain
Call me crazy… but seeing Mr. Ibsen’s profile(sitting in the front row) I cant help but still see a slight resemblance….especially in their similar facial structures and profiles/nose….
I think the University wanted to minimize Langley's involvement as much as possible and to this day clearly denies they ever did so. It's true she'd odd and I think her obsession with Richard III is rather...eccentric, but I don't think the effort she, Ashdown-Hill and the rest of the Richard III Society did in both instigating, paying for and even doing the leg work in identify Anne of York's living decedents has been fully given its due acknowledgement by the academics and scientists who worked on the find. Langley has said some strange things over the years and I understand the more inflammatory and/or spiritual things she'd said probably rub academics the wrong way, but two things can be true at once. She can be problematic and still have been sidelined and not given credit where credit was due.
Moral is, one must always pay attention to oral history, after all, it may be written 300 years ago, and there be conflicting narratives, but each narrative must be be explored to it's conclusion.
Yes I accept your point that there has been a church on that site for 800 years old but that old church was almost totally demolished and then rebuilt in Victorian times. It was a Parish Church until very recently. Do the right thing. Bury the man in York.
Great presentation. Great research. Very exciting!
Thankfully anyone interested in this story realises that any accolade for the discovery of the King belongs to Philippa Langley, not the mediocre academics from a mediocre polytechnic desperately scrabbling for relevance.
How typical Leicester university takes all the credit Philippa pushed out of site
Very late to this video announcement.
Well done to all.
It would’ve been interesting for a forensic facial reconstruction to have been done, further clarifying contemporary descriptions and artistic renditions of Richard III.
If that has been done, I’m not aware of it.
Cheers.
By tradition, as a royal personage, it seems Richard should be buried in Westminster Abbey. Failing that, why not bury him where he was from? I agree with hereward1975 that Richard would probably hate being interred in a place where he lost the battle and his body dishonored. Since he was from York, why not bury him in his home place? This shouldn't be about politics or competition between British cities; it should be about what could reasonably be assumed that Richard would want.
My counter to this is he would want to stay where he last STOOD, defiant, and still a king.
@@mamavswild Maybe! :-) It's a fait accompli now.