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Future Dutch Submarine: TKMS Type 212CD E
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2022
- Interview with ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) on their proposal for the Walrus-class submarine replacement program. The German shipbuilder is proposing a submarine based on the future Type 212CD (already ordered by the German Navy and Royal Norwegian Navy).
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Holger Isbrecht, head of NL submarine replacement programme, answered our questions:
- What are you proposing to the Royal Netherlands Navy ?
- What is the share of local content ?
- Is there a key design feature that stands out ?
- Is your design future-proof ? For example, can it conduct seabed warfare operations ?
The interview was recorded during NEDS 2022 on 17 November 2022. (NEDS stands for "NIDV Exhibition Defence & Security" - NIDV stands for "Netherlands Industries for Defence and Security").
During the event, Naval News interviewed all three contenders as well as the head of DMO (Defense Materiel Organization, the procurement office) about the Walrus-class replacement program.
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I can not even begin to imagined the quality of technologies that will go into this submarine. We are talking decades of experience crammed into that small hull.
Dutch have always had a good head for technology 🇳🇱🇬🇧
Would not be surprised if the Dutch choose this since the Germans chose Damen for its next frigates.
Forget it as SAAB and DAMEN are building the next generation of Dutch submarines using Dutch experience know how and Technology with Swedish Experience Know How and technology .
Germany is a brown water sub builder . Naval a nuclear sub builder , and both designs need tons of reworking to make it remotely compatible .
The only design left the Saab Damen design .
@@marcusfranconium3392 u212cd is more stealth and lethal everything nuclear sub in the world, is the f22 of the ocean, also in 800 mts deeph eual of best nuclear subs, german build the better sub in the world. "Germany is a brown water sub builder" really? only you think so
@@marcusfranconium3392Saab and Damen can't build subs. The Dutch ask for a very specialized sub. It will either be the French or the Germans. Probably the French. The Swedes are amateur hour. Sorry, but it is true. Not even comparable, sadly. If the Swedes are smart, they abandon Saab subs and just buy from their NATO partners. Yes, Germans are brown water, French are blue water. But Swedes are no subs. Literally nothing. Just design plans. On top of that, the Australians already paid 1 to 2 billon to develop a diesel variant of the Barracuda. There's no way Saab can even come close to that. It is literally comparing a drawing of a Lada from the 70's with an actual Mercedes coming out of the factory right now. Saab shouldn''t even have been in this.
Interesting, I am glad TKMS has open up to Naval News on design n offering as Australian we didn’t get hear any information on TKMS offering bid on Australian future submarines competition. It would interesting to see what TKMS future support they have in design n maintenance.
So after been quite for sometime TKMS is finally speaking about there offering it seem to be a bit modified compared to the standard Type 212CD for both German and Norway
their, not there
Were the Dutch to select this class, then Germany, Norway, and the Netherlands would have very similar submarines. Italy also has a variant, so that adds to that logistics and training network.
Very nice product good job!
This submarine is the most practical for the Netherlands navy.😃
navies around the world could do with a slightly larger variant of the Type 212 CD & 218A class of submarines . . . designed & built by thyssenkrupp Marine since the 1990s . . . for e.g. a fleet of 10 brand new Type 212 CD class 6,893 ton (8,202 ton loaded) stealth guided missile fast attack submarine powered by cutting edge iSMARTFuelCell Integrated e-AIP marine propulsion system . . .
Do you mean something like the S80+ class? That' s gonna be a hit
It will be interestng to see how it works out.... once they actually build one and test it.
Is the sub demo video available
in full version somewhere?
I'm reading Karl Doenitz, memoir. Interesting how a weapon system can change over time, if the Kreigsmarine had a few of those subs in 1942, they would have von de var, vith ot a dout.
I never knew this until recently but it turns out most of Nazi Germany's productive capacity during the war went towards building submarines and airplanes. It did not go to tanks or land forces which was a quite a surprise to me.
Germany basically lost the war at sea and in the air.
Nice sub 🇳🇱 from 🇬🇧
Wish Malaysia could get 2 of these
Well i hipe they buy our german subs because of pride and it would be good because then the Chance of more user and more for the german navy gets bigger but saab's offer also is very interessting. Maybe a hybrid would be the best that won't be happening right.
And barracuda is well barracuda 🤷 no idea what to say to it
Is there an option for Vertical Launch System? That would be super cool. Look at Koreans.
ask Israel
What the difference between 212 cd and 212 cd e? Other than Norway getting 212 cd and Netherland 212 cd e.
Its bigger. The 212 CDE has more fuel and has 3 diesels onboard. The standard has 2 diesels engines
It looks like what they previously called the 216, which they offered to Australia
@@briananthony4044 Before they went for the nuke ones from US?
@@OleBrumHonning Yup2
The Dutch want to cross the Atlantic and be able to take out Venezuelan ships and air planes with no local harbour support. In case the Dutch islands just off the coast of Venezuela get attacked. The normal German Norway sub is a purely brown water sub.
Should sell to Malaysia
This interview reminds me of an old joke about the difference between the sales philosophy of America, England and Germany. Ask an American company about their product and they send you a catalog. Ask a British company about theirs and they send you two sales guys to sing its praises and entice you to sign a contract. Ask a German company and they send a couple of engineers who say “where do you want us to install it”!
At 1:43 it appeared to have 10 VLS ?
Bukan bulat silinder??
Bentuk yang cukup mengesankan..
Tapi kita liat seperti apa performa nya
A year later and this thing comes across my timeline. And the clickbait title is wrong... Type 212 CD E is not chosen.
He's enthusiast at least.. (joking)
computer says no. it is "Blacksword" Barracuda that has been chosen
The Barracuda could be a better match bc it is bigger and can therefore carry more weapons. Possibly longer range.
the u212 cd technology is 1000 better tha barracuda, and u212 sink 4 barracuda easy in combat
U212 is scheise😂😂😂
Interesting, but It seems to be much better the s80+ class
Is this the most advanced non-nuclear submarine in the world?
Yes.
... It would be, but none have been built yet.
🇲🇨💪👍👌
Built in Germany by tkms, with the Genset from mtu from Germany. What does Holland to do with this Submarine?
At least the 🇳🇱 can build no matter the the ship yard from 🇬🇧
I think the sub will be build in a dutch naval company under the project leading of tkms.
Why dont we have a egggg laying type su.. submarine instead of thr regular ...forward tubes ready....load back tubes turn around complete 180degrees....😅😅😅😅😅
Armon l Australie ...
Friday.upcoming. DAMEN/SAAB..🙏
Not cooperation with others dutch build ships are the best
The Dutch know how to build from 🇬🇧
Dutch build zero subs in 40 years. We tried but no one wanted them. Not even our own navy. So we stopped.
lol... it's a German/Norwegian project. None have been built yet.
…Saab A-26…
Forget it Naval and TKMS already lost the bid after Damen and Saab submited their designs .
Saab And DAMEN shipyards will build them . 2 of the most advanced conventional submarine users and builders.
Saab and Damen both never build subs during the time you have been alive. It is a complete nonsensical wild card. Like buying a car from a vacuum cleaner company. You'd be insane to do it.